Investigative Journalist Annie Jacobsen: War, Weaponry, and Government Secrecy - Danger Close

Today’s guest is internationally acclaimed investigative journalist, Pulitzer Prize finalist, and New York Times bestselling author Annie Jacobsen.
Her works include Area 51, Operation Paperclip, The Pentagon’s Brain, Phenomena, Surprise, Kill, Vanish, and First Platoon.
Her writing credits also include work on Amazon Prime Video’s Jack Ryan and Clarice on CBS.
You can find out more about Annie at anniejacobsen.com and on Instagram @anniejacobsenbooks
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[@taxfree4]

Annie is a triple threat - beautiful, brilliant and with a voice that makes me want to go to confession after I hear her talk.

[@vnvet2282]

"... a voice that makes me want to go to confession" had me laughing. Great comment.

[@jeffmertens9790]

It's a scary scenario to know the people of government who design, manage, and deploy weapons of annihilation have bunkers of survival against their effects. And the sacrificial lambs are the people whom they profess to serve.

[@davidmoreno-xd8rt]

Yes! Those that have bunkers have knowledge of human destruction capabilities

[@fauxreal9739]

That guy has a lot of books so he’s obviously smart 😂

[@HagbardAntonWilson]

Everybody knows that governments have shelters ,,, many countries like sitzerland have bunkers for literally the whole population ...

[@WildnUnruly]

Two books: “Strategic Relocation Guide” the latest edition Vacation Resort Catalog, “The Best Of The Best” Get a paper map and you will find all the towns where former and present, three letter agency Leo’s, the guys who formally worked and presently work in that funny five sided building have built those hardened underground domiciles. I don’t watch social media for them. I search for what their families and children are doing. They live on exclusive hard to reach areas with their own flight lines. We are nothing but useless eaters using up their resources. Living in their paradise. They want us to disappear.

[@mortimerportsmouth6226]

😢

[@EricNeedle]

Wow, what an insightful interview. Annie, I don't think it's that the American public doesn't care, I think we are numb, uninformed, and deluded by media and entertainment. Thank you for this. Just wow.

[@russphoto]

And very very lazy, or they would do the research themselves........... it's out there.

[@marcgottlieb9579]

Ask the all knowing Annie about our binary solar system...The one that will kill 90 percent of all Americans before the end of 2024...It appears the eletes of this world forgot to tell the public and they could not be happier with how things are going to turn out !

[@JRey-re9rl]

There is a large segment that has bought into corporatism, militarism, imperialism, fascism, and bloodlust. America is morally bankrupt and satanic.

[@oikddojo]

Annie Jacobsen is a national treasure. Her books are a must read.

[@robbyemery390]

I want order all of them

[@jonh8636]

AND she reads her audio books, they are GOLD!

[@johnqpublic2718]

Everyone and everything anyone likes these days is a "National Treasure" and should be "protected at all costs." Whatever happened to just being "good?"

[@fleafly70]

@@johnqpublic2718have you seen sOuNd oF fReEdOm??😂😂

[@willwilliams9713]

Amen she has the voice too if a great Narrator

[@RatedArggg]

Amazing interview. I'm now addicted to Annie Jacobsen.

[@Harry1s]

There are 2 problems with her concerns...1 - we can't have open and fair debates about weapons, war, etc because we are controlled and censored by the elites. 2 - those elites could care less about how many die if they are achieving certain goals. I admire her knowledge, experiences, and opinions.

[@patrickgreen2361]

You are 1000% correct

[@sherrythomas8149]

The "elites" control so many things by compartmentalizing the work they need done. There are people who might hear these things & be able to figure out that the work they think they're doing for the good of mankind or even just for a paycheck, is actually being used for evil. And of course there's the whole history repeating itself thing. So while I do agree with you, there's so much value in discussing, reading, writing, & teaching this type of information. I can't imagine where we'd be if people didn't keep fighting, building, having babies, etc through plagues, wars, & more. We are here because enough people did not lose hope. We need to live as though there's a future worth fighting for.

[@martin1234512345]

She seems to think everyone has the access to the people she has access to. For how smart she is, she wreaks of naivety.

[@davedave2941]

War is profitable business as are IDIQ contracts for military, DOD, Maritime, and National Security

[@ch1m1ch0nga]

I agree - the MAGA dove elites are too dumb to understand that THEY are marching us to a two-front war b/c their panties are all soiled because of their illogical fear of Putin and Xi. We need a true Republican, S-10 or better SOLDIER as President. Not grifter candidates who sell generations of soldiers out every time they open their mouths...

[@chrislivingston9420]

Two of my favorite authors talking for two hours… yes please!!! Incredible conversation! Thanks you Mr. Carr for having this and then for posting it.

[@bsmithhammer]

Agreed - I didn't see this one coming, but as soon as I saw it in my feed, it made perfect sense. Great discussion. I really enjoyed "Surprise, Kill, Vanish" and want to read more of Jacobsen's work. And Jack, if you're reading this - you really need to get Ben Macintyre on your show. You two would have a TON to talk about.

[@grannygear1001]

Perhaps she might do a book on the 3 Maui fires. Something is weird about what really happened and that police chief that moved there from Las Vegas.

[@dougstyles]

Weird how that just was swept under the rug. Actually it's not weird,its how the government treats us like trash.

[@jengunter7446]

I'm flabbergasted by the episode. I watched every minute. Thank you, Tyler. Thank you, Shawn.

[@TadSpringer]

The epic interview between these two bestselling authors was an intellectual feast, where their unique perspectives and writing styles beautifully complemented each other. It was captivating to witness the dynamic exchange of ideas, and their mutual respect and admiration for each other's work were evident throughout the conversation. This interview undoubtedly left the audience inspired and eager to delve deeper into their literary masterpieces.

[@TomBortner]

My old roommate from Palm Spring CA was John von Neumann's Lear jet pilot. I was able to fly in his new Lear 36 when it was delivered. Got to drive a few of his toys he had in storage there. I was lucky to have met him. At the time all I knew was he brought the VW to the US. I hung out at his house and visited with his house boy & body guard who was from India. (Nitton) He was Marlo Thomas's house boy and body guard. He'd give me great wines & black caviar. Still have a few pictures of him after all these years. I'm a Vietnam combat vet 68-69 who had lymphoma from agent orange in 2014. Still here after 10 years. Have had a good life. Thanks for all of your hard work. Will start buying some of your books.

[@brodyalex5869]

I know this was only released 3 days ago but HOW DOES THIS ONLY 6.2k views and only 34 comments minus plus the first one I'm adding. This interview is exceptionally important and heavy with information. With 2 ultra-amazing people/writers/researchers/alot of other titles. Thanks for this to both Jack and Annie ❤

[@torylynne]

I'm just watching this, and it has 4.4k views now. The 'magic' of KZbin?

[@siskokidd]

Way too much awesomeness! This subject matter is the ONLY thing that my ears want and need.

[@scientificmethodofreality526]

Thanks for elimination of bullshit and attacking the truth. You have a place in history! Much respect!

[@jeremyzentveld5672]

Thank you for this interview, and introducing me to Annie Jacobson's books. Since this podcast I have read Suprise, Kill, Vanish and can't recommend it enough. The butterfly effect and significant role a hand full of grossly unknown individuals play through history is amazing. Have just started The Pentagons Brain and have Operation Paperclip awaiting on the shelf.

[@gb4375]

Bought two of her books today!

[@lostfound1093]

Since I first heard of her I've always liked her voice, she should do voice audio for her books but also other stories to listen to, I think she has the voice for it

[@Johnconno]

It's affected.

[@sidrayne]

She did the reading for the audiobook version of Surprise Kill Vanish

[@mommalisa52560]

She does! At least everyone that I purchased.

[@Sim_XD]

Yes agree with @sidrayne She's read a couple of her works, I believe that are here on KZbin if you look

[@gregmoessner3104]

Surprise,kill,vanish blew me away! Billy Wah is supreme!

[@beausmith6010]

This was truly like the superhero books I write--Annie Jacobsen and Jack Carr together. What a crossover of writers/authors that I respect and admire. Thank you both for this. :)

[@juniormendoza657]

Amazing guest. I love her books and love hearing her speaking at different events

[@davefox8948]

Annie Jacobsen is one of the most revealing journalists ever. Her books are a revelation.

[@cwo8771]

My two favorite writers. Not only do these two share a talent for telling a good story, they seem endlessly curious, kind, and positive. Annie and Jack, thanks for all the great content!

[@djpandab]

Thank you for posting this episode. Yes Annie Jacobsen is a national treasure! I would love to have her and Diana West do speaking engagements or do a podcast together.

[@josealbertoduran4413]

Ana's impressive personality, I was struck by her intellectual organizational capacity that reads historical events and people, in their context, what she said, trained to read documents and scenarios" I wish you would give me classes on all that, thank you Ana and JACK FOR SHARING

[@daddystabz]

She is amazing. I looooove her voice too.

[@nomadtv6009]

I've read every book you both put out. This is awesome. I really hope her next book dives deep on AI weapons systems and the threat of AI in general. Outstanding session!

[@user-bl8bd3no3i]

. BRILLIANT LADY AND QUITE HUMBLE AND SWEET VOICE..GOD BLESS AMERICA AND Y'ALL

[@kevinsmith9502]

Annie should do a televized series about conspiracy theories or the history of operation paperclip. She would get a huge audience with that silky smooth voice of hers.

[@annieb66]

Then she would become controlled by producers.

[@btown508]

I thoroughly enjoyed this podcast. Thank you the both of you.

[@mk-xe2cd]

just read/listened to Surprised, Kill, Vanish....which was a great listen. Packed full of very interesting info, history and insight.

[@csmith4762]

Annie, please write a book about Billy Waugh the person. I find him to be the singular most interesting person in any of your books. BTW I've read all your books. The Audio versions are also perfect. Great voice.

[@THEMAX00000]

I always love watching interviews with Miss Jacobson

[@tnewell21]

Philip Zelikow (head of 9/11 commission) did his PhD thesis on constructing public myths.

[@ramos415832]

You both are amazing. Glad you pursued your hearts and passion. Semper fi!!

[@TomBortner]

My roommate from the 1970's pushed the button on the Eniwetok Atoll bomb. He said they had no idea what was going to happen? He was a naval physicist and in on the U-2. Nice fellow with a lot of stories. He worked with Oppenheimer and was one heck of a pilot.

[@Bullittbl]

My father was there on the fleet flag ship

[@user-mj5hj7cn1l]

Thanks Jack, I have found someone new to follow. Much appreciated. Best, Don

[@andrewvare3173]

Outstanding interview. She is indeed a true gem.

[@Yahoo947]

I have been reading her books and following her for years now. She is brillant and right on target. It is frigtening to be able to NOW connect the dots especially on our college campus and see that the Transhumanist & Brain Initiative is being implemented exactly as she says .

[@johnturtle6649]

some of us knew this 20 + years ago. transhumanism is actually satanism. you can't be saved if you're a machine, only human beings are offered salvation.

[@paulmoschini5945]

I have now found another author I will thoroughly enjoy reading.....Awesome!!

[@rando1818]

Wow! What an amazing and Beautiful Woman. You’ll have a difficult time topping this interview. Thanks Jack. Thank you very much Annie!

[@alice5515]

I love Annie‘a books and she is hypnotic to listen to.

[@skipmooney5732]

Love her voice

[@Mr._Infamous]

This woman is awesome in every way. There's no one that even comes close to her in her field or in many other ways I'm sure. You literally wouldn't be able to replace her with anyone. Now that is an anomaly.

[@vamorris6316]

She’s not an anomaly. She follows directions doesn’t lead. A leader will die for its people.

[@Mr._Infamous]

@@vamorris6316 you obviously don't have any idea who this woman is or what you're talkin about. What you just said has absolutely nothing to do with her

[@vamorris6316]

@@Mr._Infamous you obviously don’t know who I am. Try again

[@Mr._Infamous]

@vamorris6316 I couldn't care less who you are. Nor about you opinion of which I think is horseshit

[@grimmertwin2148]

@@vamorris6316 both of you read Whitney Webb and stick with reality

[@josefadams647]

This woman is a national treasure

[@str8shooter159]

I really enjoy listening to Annie, she relaxes and intrigues me. America has totally changed since i was a kid. I knew when they took prayer and we stopped saying the Pledge of Alligence in school that America was going downhill. I do think they give the government way to much power when they started the federal reserve and the atf. We dont need the atf or dea or irs. These organizations have way to much overreach.

[@givingvoicetohistory]

I’ve read every one of Annie Jacobson’s books. She is wonderful.

[@Bitterrootbackroads]

Ms Jacobsen could read the phone book and make it interesting! Kudos also to sound engineers who produce 2-3-4 hour programs like this and JRE that are totally listenable with every syllable clear & understandable. My aging ears often struggle to make sense of conversations, sometimes turning things up a bit helps, but then I have to sit with my thumb on the MUTE button to stop the blasting noise / music / compressed sound effects that come crashing in, also a result of sound engineers. Maybe their young ears work differently? Rush Limbaugh made sense on so many things, none more so than how hearing loss & sound quality can affect communication and ones overall perception of those around them.

[@bt3205]

I initially thought the interview was going to be too long but She's very interesting and it turns out I do have one of her books already

[@johnconover52]

I have read several of her books and enjoyed them thoroughly!

[@Maddog_sayshello]

Annie, from Australia, I want you to know that your books are the best. I started with surprise kill vanish and have never looked back. This was great to watch.

[@virghof5836]

Ms. Jacobsen is SO interesting! I’m gonna get one of her books. Great interview!

[@georgicacimpeanu1567]

zona 51😅

[@ryincatcher7872]

I read one of her books and it was like watching a history channel documentary. I learned no more than I already new. Yes it was paperclip

[@letthetunesflow]

She uncovered many never seen documents which really added to the old stories. She did a fantastic job of using her newly discovered documents to help bring more clarity to the stories, and answered questions that remained unanswered within the massive intertwined stories of operation paperclip. So yes the basic operation paperclip story has been known for a while, but Annie certainly did a fantastic job of bringing everything into context, and writing a fantastic cohesive story.

[@dagothhyde7297]

Comparing her to history channel is pretty apt. They make garbage documentaries.

[@Larrypint]

What is a "Nazi scientist"? They have been scientists before the 12 years and afterwards. You are a scientist or not no matter where you live or under which regime or state order you do your scientific work and german scientists in the 18th and 20th century have been outstanding and the education system was one of the best in the world. That's why so many modern inventions have german roots.

[@JRey-re9rl]

@@LarrypintA Nazi scientist is, a scientist that worked for and supported the Nazi regime with their intellect, research, and inventions. They were Nazis.

[@mattmullenix]

What a treat to see Annie on here!

[@RahimLadhajuma]

Amazing. Great guest, she's always been super knowledgeable and Jack, always the best conversations and content! Cheers! Can't wait to see more!

[@ECCL11]

Hey Jack, it was good to see you in Houston. You keep getting better and better! Only The Dead was awesome!

[@Powerful_TDFAM]

Damn, Annie's voice. If she isn't the voice of all her books I would get mad.

[@jasonbraun]

Operation Paperclip is riveting. It was so good I spent most of my vacation to Aruba by the pool reading.

[@Larrypint]

But What is a "Nazi scientist"? They have been scientists before the 12 NS years and afterwards. You are a scientist or not no matter where you live or under which regime or state order you do your scientific work and german scientists in the 18th and 20th century have been outstanding and the education system was one of the best in the world. That's why so many modern inventions have german roots.

[@laverdadescatolica5]

🎵 Aruba … Jamaica. Ohhh I wanna take ya to Bermuda Bahamaaaaa 🎵 😃

[@larryapl]

Thank you Jack and Annie.

[@pittsky]

wow, what a voice she has.

[@NerualTheMad]

You out did yourself with this interview sir. Probably one of my favorites. Thank you for sharing this with us

[@octomoda]

Fantastic conversation. I have read and re-read all of her books. The subject matter, along with her perspective, is fascinating.

[@KirkThomson]

Wow I am so glad I found your channel! I have listen to every book you have written and are definitely one of my favourite authors. Now I have a whole new author to explore with Annie's works. Thank you!

[@timcikra4186]

You Jack Carr are an expert at every craft you've aspired. Amazing and Thank You!

[@barbaraguillette9632]

I was going to court to stop the targeting program and was hit with lasers wherever I went, (Guillette vs HUD, Eastman Gelatin and Mayor Torigian of Peabody, Ma.) was hit in my bedroom through the window and the laser left a divot in the bone , over the right eye and hurt for years, Left a red mark for a while and still have a slight divot to this day. I can still find it today.

[@patrickglennon7058]

Will this targeting programme ever end??? Its rampant in 🇮🇪 ireland

[@davidmoreno-xd8rt]

Very disturbing. Now I know these paid officials are so bold and give and dont Care about there actions

[@donaldsheldon2097]

Annie Jacobsen has very insightful experience looking forward to reading her books especially Surprise Kill Vanish thanks for having her on the Danger Close Pod Cast

[@tedshapiro2496]

I met a guy who served in Vietnam, who told that he was a crew member for a nuclear missile there. He didn't like it because it was a short range missile and he was afraid that when it went off at that distance it would kill him. During the cold war in Germany American officers with the rank of captain were authorized to use tactical nuclear weapons without taking the decision it up the chain of command. For decades nuclear weapons lacked safety devices and were subject to unauthorized, or accidental, launch or detonation. Even after they began to install safety devices there were still close calls. One time a nuclear bomb accidentally fell out of a plane over South Carolina, and two of the three trigger locks tripped. Come to think of it, I believe it was a hydrogen bomb, something that would make the atom bombs dropped on Japan look small. Good thing that third trigger lock didn't trip or there would only be 49 states now. Unless of course, the military brass thought it had been the Russians who hit South Carolina -- in that case there might not be any.

[@johnkean6852]

I'm a Brit living N Cyprus. LOVE YOUR MELIFLUOUS VOICE Jack.

[@jimkalfakis9893]

I love her voice

[@TheCulturalCompass]

Really great conversation! I didn’t know either of you at all but I’m sure happy this popped up in my feed and I clicked! Pleasure to meet you both and I’ll be checking out all your books for sure

[@AGAMovies]

Two of my favorite authors!

[@Yahoo947]

I truly thank you for this posting. Your work and timing for this information is a critical lifeline for people such as myself. Those who have a love for truth, justice, forgiveness and an end to war....this is the place to be!!!!

[@DavidWBIII]

Annie J. IS AWESOME AND LEGIT!!!! I still think there is stuff she is keeping out or away from here books, but that is just the way it is.

[@mdx9286]

Amazing insight. I just purchased 'Operation Paperclip' and 'The Pentgon's Brain.'

[@sparkleybitz]

Two of my fav authors , love your books, have them all, you guys rock, thank you, so re readable, did i mention i love your books.....

[@joannbaumann4028]

Annie J gave great advice and I will follow it. Changes the timing and course of my life. Thank you!

[@181racing]

Excellent lady , she finds out the truth and tells us all ❤ keep up the good work Annie ❤👍

[@JamesBMiller411]

Can't wait to hear this...I have read all of your (you and her) books.

[@falcon5215]

Love her stuff...read 2 so far...and a great voice!!

[@madame_crypto88]

I could listen to your voice for hours. So soothing. ❤

[@JohnTBlock]

A good friend of mine is simply waiting to die, after serving in 'Nam in '69 with the 173rd ABN. Brigade.survived a B-40 rocket, only to suffer for decades from what he believes will kill him, Agent Orange....

[@marshalmichael129]

I would really enjoy it if Annie would write a book about COG, COOP and FEMA. That would be a great story.

[@mjoseph3333]

As a tax payer, I wouldn't see taking pension as a government handout. The government is both greedy and wasteful when it comes to tax revenue and spending. our superannuation is plagued by parasites syphoning off and minimising accrued interest.

[@sonnyredbull6]

Awesome interview Jack read Paperclip and Suprise Kill Vanish will be starting on your books but like you I have a wall of books to read in the cue but I'm on it.❤💯👍

[@danielgiammo8102]

What a great show. 2 of my favorite authors

[@danielmarshall4587]

Lady and Gentleman thank you both, I will make the time to complete this video.

[@Toms_Bright_Ideas]

I started reading her books after her Joe Rogan interview about the real story of Roswell. I'm surprised you didn't ask her about that. The info about drones is not complete. Remote controlled drones have been around for almost 100 years. The English actor Reginald Denny started up a company called Radioplane after WW1 that made remotely piloted drones. He got a big contract in 1939 for these drones. They were chiefly used for target practice. Ronald Reagan on a War Bonds tour through the Radioplane factory discovered Norma Jean Dougherty aka Marilyn Monroe working there. The epilogue of her Area 51 book talks about the Roswell incident as a deep penetration by Stalin near the 509th Bomb Group with something to stir the nation 9 years after Orson Welles' War of the Worlds broadcast. I think the cover up was more to do with Stalin penetrating US Airspace than aliens.

[@lalak5426]

Most interesting person with the most knowledge about gov secrets ♥️🎉

[@nathancummins8728]

One of my favorite jre guest

[@harrykrebs]

Ms. Jacobsen is an outstanding intellectual resource.

[@momoski68]

If I were president I would definitely have Annie Jacobson and Whitney Webb as two of my closest advisors. So much knowledge and capability to compile information. Besides the most awesome voice I've ever heard :-)

[@Georgelyda]

Military Industrial Complex - very easy to explain. Money and power are some individuals god. 💰 👊🏻

[@brucechamberlain9890]

Omg these men spilled the beans because of that voice!

[@frankrizzo9634]

Amazing episode!!

[@keithbodnar2695]

Great Podcast! Awesome Guest!

[@trojanalum2622]

Two great authors!!! Awesome 😎

[@michaelbishop6831]

Good to see you’re going down the rabbit hole! Jacobson is a great choice of guests!

[@tanurmustafa]

Fantastic interview can always listen to Annie

[@douglausbeedles4717]

Love you all 💗💗💗

[@michaelporopat6446]

Awesome love annie!!!!

[@kevd3046]

Looking forward to this..respect from Durham England 🇬🇧👍

[@skunkworksstudios]

I bet this will be interesting. Her take on Area 51 on Rogan was outside the box!

[@davidb9908]

Good to see her again. Working on my "Spanish", now.