Athens vs Sparta (Sub Commanders)

Two heavy weights of the classical world face off in a brutal fight to the death! Each army is led by three generals with specific troops under their command. Success rests not only on individual bravery but also on a well coordinated army

[@sebbyjeans1]

17:08 Damn, look at that majestic unicorn!

[@johnandan1594]

+Sébastien Poncelet dont think he liked that horn very much

[@user-rr9ng9bo9l]

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[@CANTFINDACHANNELNAM]

lol, does your whole family go by resolution quality? Oakly4k(dad) and Oakly8k(grandpa)

[@upload5622]

King Leonidas: SPARTANS! What is YOUR profession? Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!

[@Username-vp4zn]

That one spartan: pottery

[@jaredjeric17]

I love these Ancient battles, where bravery and courage and prowess in arms played more part than anything else, and the armies fielded were usually the same type of forces and possessed almost equal technologies. Valor in the field, strength of sinew, skill in arms, and of course, the brilliance and cunning of the generals, these could decide the outcome of the battle. 

[@SuperCroc2]

eii glad to see im not the only person who watches surreal here

[@jaredjeric17]

SuperCroc2 Worship now the God of Fvckery

[@castor3020]

fun fact: once we got rid of melee fighting nobody wanted to go back. I wonder why ;)

[@jaredjeric17]

Kastor Hallavainio​ Prolly coz of lasers 

[@lloyd4011]

You get all that now. Only now, pointy weapons will tear your limbs off from a multitude of different places.

[@LucaHMafra]

I've missed these battles! Sub commanders is one of my favorite series. Nice video.

[@InvictaHistory]

+mafralvca glad to bring it back : )

[@spectrum3808]

+THFE Productions when philip of macedon came to the gates of the spartan capital, he sent a messenger to the one king, telling him "if I break through your walls, I will burn your city to the ground". The Spartan response? "If".

[@MichaelW4x]

+THFE Productions I'd love to see a Sub-Commaders siege battle! I know they're more difficult to organise and film but they're definitely the most entertaining to watch. Also I'd love to see you try a novel strategy like your computer ally did in one siege match where they brought the siege tower into the city. Maybe use it as mobile cover from skirmishers while you get close to the front lines?

[@aerobicpanther]

+MichaelW4x if I could add on to that recommendation. That could be done even better as a youtuber colab

[@anonymousshovel]

I love how you upload your losses too. It makes it interesting to see who wins

[@spectrum3808]

when philip of macedon came to the gates of the spartan capital, he sent a messenger to the one king, telling him "if I break through your walls, I will burn your city to the ground". The Spartan response? "If".

[@RexTheNotSoGreat]

and you see how that went

[@cheat200]

+Colin Wolcott BS! Sparta has no walls!

[@Jules4878]

+RexTheNotSoGreat Well for Sparta. It ended up being the only greek city state that was in an equal alliance with Macedon.

[@vrrdragon]

+Colin Wolcott funny thing is Sparta had no walls, they relied on their mountains

[@SnailKingGY]

+Vincent Rogers Well you could think of the Spartan phalanx as Sparta's wall.

[@el_ias2094]

That battle was epicness overload! Keep 'em coming!

[@yawningfirefly5904]

I love these so much, thanks for bringing them back to your channel, I appreciate they are probably hard to organise :)

[@TuttyGaming]

Man is was minimizing this video like three times to give a thumbs up only to realize that I have done so already. What an amazing battle you guys! I was on the edge of my seat the whole time!

[@RemusKingOfRome]

FINALLY!!! some historic battles ! well done ! love the sub commander setup, even though no solid, deep battle lines. Reminds me of old "Great Battles of .." game series. how about doing Roman manipular V Carthage, where each subcommander commands each battle line - hastati & velites - Princeps - Triarii & Eques (aristocratic). try to retire Hastati through gaps in princeps, to re-engage later ?

[@FlyingDragoon8]

+RemusKingOfRome5 As wonderful as the idea of "retiring" soldiers through lines...even if you charge in the principes...the Hastati will take a ton of losses in back stabs. Though it would be cool to see, but an army that does a charge/retreat/rest/charge system usually will take unnecessary losses in this game. Maybe the continual charges will make up for that though.

[@diraska]

I really like the sub commander type of videos. It seems more like how actual battles would be handled. Not perfect, but closer to it than six separate armies fighting near each other. One thing that was very nice was the back and forth, the fall back from a bad position and reforming to join the fight on better terms. Loved to see that!

[@holyarchangelmichael]

I haven't been subscribed to you long enough to say good to see 'Sub Commanders' come back, but I enjoyed the battle immensely. 3 v 3 siege battles in Sub Commanders would be awesome. Keep up the great work. :D

[@ryusthered]

Finally! I've missed Sub Commanders so much!

[@timmeyspankey]

I enjoy sub-commanders. Please make more, if you have the chance!

[@kevinmcd7680]

Damn just from the builds i thought your enemies were gonna rip your team a new one but it was actually well fought and fairly close.

[@MJFAN666]

I love the horns blowing in the background! Awesome.

[@SirWildwind]

I love these videos of yours! I enjoy the fact that you specialize a person in a set of troops so they can work that out. PLEASE DO SIEGES SOMETIME SOON! A SIEGE COMMANDER ROLE WILL BE COOL!!! TVT

[@rogermcguinn1585]

Royal Spartans are OP in this game. I remember playing against the AI I tied up one unit of Royal Spartans by engaging them from the front with three infantry units. I hit them in the back with lance cav at least three times and it barely shook them, which is ridiculous. Even if the men WANT to stand and die and refuse to rout, the sheer impact of nearly 100 heavy lance cav hitting them in their undefended backs would be absolutely devastating to any inf from any point in history. Spartans were good warriors yes, but they weren't supermen. The weight of horse and rider is going to fuck you up. Oakley is right; the way to defeat these guys is to shred them with skirmishers then mop up the survivors

[@Cherdi2]

So close battle, fucking epic. Keep doing your stuff oakley, it's absolutely awesome.

[@jonathanwaite546]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FINALLY A SPARTA VS ATHENS BATTLE lol i been waiting for this. i wish people would do more sparta battles right bc sparta can be such a beast when used right. thank you for doing this historic rival battle. love ur vids and great chose

[@jonathanwaite546]

with that being said i wish u guys where sparta

[@James-xn6zh]

+Jonathan Waite But Athens is a way better faction, so much more fun to play with.

[@jonathanwaite546]

James yes very true. with the cavalry ans skirmige power. but them royal spartans and heroes of spartans tho lol

[@James-xn6zh]

Jonathan Waite yeahh, in any hoplite grinding battle the elite Spartans will easily win :/

[@breezygames4717]

Jonathan Waite

[@germainblavier5284]

Amazing video ! Great tactics and beautiful shots :D good job man ! Is there any other subcommanders videos ?

[@eugeneshumkov8259]

Love the subcommanders idea and the post game commentary. It would be fun to livecast it with the voice chat in the background to get the idea of the teamwork going on.

[@Kenny-xi6gg]

Fantastic battle! Nice work Oakley, that was super epic and it makes it better because its like something straight out of the Peloponnesian War. If you are going to do another Sub commander video, and I hope you do, you should do a battle between the Romans and some sort of Barbarian faction like the Suebi or Iceni. Put that into a forest and that would be amazing. Anyway nice job and I look forward to just about anything you post.

[@darthcalanil5333]

HOLY SPARTA!! This battle is one of the most amazing I've ever seen from you Okley! WE WANT MOREEEEE

[@KetsaKunta]

That was a really good idea to pull back and allow the Spartans to advance from the battle line and expose themselves. Really cool to see how it was executed. Also very clever to engage with pikemen to pull back the other units.

[@AngellGaby]

That was amazing, i loved the idea of Sub Commanders with their own army.. I wish there were more of these to watch!

[@manualteirac9817]

I love the SUB gameplay. I love also when you introduce the units of each players and just at end of introduce, the soldeirs say "heeyy heyyy"; it's looks like a boxe match. ^^ Hope you will make some SUB battles with Warhammer. If you need guys for help you, i m here.

[@hammster72]

the return of the glorious sub commander videos! I would love to see a sub commander siege and also some medieval 2 or Shogun 2 sub commander games if you are up to it.

[@MrNilsh]

Awsome battle once again! My favorite battle you ever posted was the siege of Athens, which i bilieve is in the "massive battles" category. I would love to se something like that in sub commanders! Like the one you did with city guard and royal guard.

[@AzureDragon100]

Awesome battle! I love the sub commanders series, the tactics seem more realistic somehow. Can you do 4v4 battles on Rome 2? Because if you can, you can divide the sub commanders into right flank, left flank, center and reserves, much like how it was done in real life. Maybe you can even have different factions allied with each other, like Greeks vs Celts, that would be fun.

[@mothmandan]

This is an excellent idea, keep them coming please

[@Bismarckii]

Awesome video I think because of the fact that it was 2 hoplite and phalanx factions, I think Selucides vs Egypt or Macedonia would be another great vid, with massive phalanx forces would just be too epic! Call the Alexanderian wars

[@1moz100]

Everytime I watch these I always wonder if you could let us download these replays so we can play them on our own. If you can't do it I understand but I know a few people may appreciate it. Anyways great video as always.

[@shpongle7322]

you should continue this series. this shit is badass bro

[@victorstrh]

I'd like to see some free for all action again. Those are fun to watch!

[@sirmuffincat6630]

Damn, after seeing the amount of detail in this game it makes me crave a Medieval 3 so much more. What do you think, Oakley? (Nice video by the way, as always)

[@-RXB-]

+SirMuffinCat Med 2 best TW ever, period. Hope they really go all in for Medieval 3. Empire 2 would be really cool also..

[@empyreal2361]

I would personally prefer an empire 2

[@drubs5811]

That's some sick editing right there! I want mooooorreeee!

[@aewers7]

Great battle i've missed the sub commander series.

[@jonoldham5138]

One of the best total war battles Ive seen

[@hvw2377]

Dude when's the next sub-commanders! This is seriously my favorite series of yours.

[@AljazGustincic]

Awesome battle oakley pls do more of these sub commanders battles

[@galbert117]

Pretty good man! Athens faired quite well, even though you lost against Sparta! Will you be doing a Sub-Commander video for a Thermopylae style battle as well? If so, the Heroes of Sparta would be better for the main pass the Persians had to go through, since they are almost equal in stats to the Royal Spartans, & even surpass them in certain stats. Plus, you can get far more Heroes of Sparta. 2 Royal Spartans units cost 2500 to recruit 320 units, but 3 Heroes of Sparta cost 2850 to recruit 360 units. Granted, 3 Heroes of Sparta cost more, but you also get more units to use too...

[@galbert117]

+DrakeMarvell Sry about this comment, I'm just really into using Sparta whenever I actually get Rome II

[@javierarceo6428]

I love how there are multiple stages to the battle.

[@aerobicpanther]

That pan in min 7 is crazy awesome. Great video. So here's an idea and I'm not sure if this sounds interesting but what you o sub commanders with a fourth person in echo team as an overall general and he could have the just the general unit and he could tell the others what to do and then the sub commanders can chooses how to do it. Not sure on the fine details of how that would work but if that sounds interesting try it out.

[@lildraco9696]

17:09 It's a unicorn!!!

[@captainfatfoot2176]

I loved the editing on this one

[@sacredjaek5617]

Those new graphics were awesome!

[@lukemageecollins7114]

Sub commanders on medieval 2 ! We don't see enough medieval 2 content these days !

[@PanzerIVAE]

+Luke Magee Collins OMG YES DO IT JUST DO IT

[@GeneralCodyHD]

Great vid bro keep up the good work :)

[@agesanderas3250]

Yt version of time commanders ... i love it!

[@therealadaa9]

I love how you make the feel like an esport

[@koen4069]

make a video with pixelated apollo.

[@joeromano7902]

Great battle and good commentary.

[@andrenovais3868]

Ohh ... How I missed this battles ... Make some more siege battles plz in Rome II, just like this one, 2 factions ... 2 or 3 players for each team and BRING THE BLOOD XD love you man

[@Scotty1284]

Please do more of these

[@DANISHXxABRAMSx]

wow just found this. this is pretty good man! very entertaining also very informative so its easier to find out whats going on :) new sub for sure

[@TheThomasvdk]

amazing videos Oakley really enjoy every single one of them :p

[@1894db]

Nice battle, though I would have enjoyed it more if you were playing it in real time, so I could see and hear you coordinate with your allies, because its hard to follow the action with the way you move the camera. You tend to point out that something interesting is about to happen then move the camera before it even happens, and its just frustrating.

[@icostaticrebound6007]

Do the Mongols vs a Russian citadel for your next Massive Battles

[@Normacly]

+Ryan Wiles ...It is the Huns and not the Mongols. The Mongols won't invade Europe until the 13/14th century.

[@alexandraortez1141]

+Normacly I think he means it in M2TW. Since he is also mentioning "Russian".

[@antonioosborne3838]

absolutely splendid commentary

[@2camels0ina0tiny0bus]

holy shit that was suspenseful. Can you make a video of the best ways to beat sparta with different factions? lol

[@wolfrog8428]

Great video man, upload more

[@oadavidao8353]

+THFE Productions Do a siege defensive for Seleucid always wanted to see they would fair in a barbarian settlement. Make it 2v2 for better effect.

[@patricklenigan1650]

Man, when I get a stronger computer, this is going to be a game I want to get!

[@InvalidniSourozenec]

That was epic! Thanks!

[@thevidmonster2600]

Hey Oakley,I think it would be really cool if you did a carthage vs rome with carthage allowed to have a lusitani player and rome a syracusan.

[@connerlanman4664]

I'm bobjak2 ! That was so epic

[@InvictaHistory]

+COD SILENCER really a truly awesome fight down to the last 4 units

[@NJKC36]

I think oakley should do a live video of his battles, kinda curious how it goes down.

[@Hanichiro]

aw man, i need to get in on these. You have me added Oakley, show me some love xD

[@maximusaltisi9454]

holy Shit! hero spartans and Elite spartans had an insane kill strike.

[@wyhesggifrid]

Damn, that was epic, do you still do sub commanders?

[@LordUhtred1]

Good battle and commentary

[@TheNubifier]

A sub commander napoleon or shogun: fall of the samurai would be awesome. Or you defending a siege could be very cool.

[@CreatedTech]

Nice game

[@thijsheesen4901]

I love this battle even though i didn't know there were sub commander battles (11:55 , that badass spartan has 3 arrows in his arm)

[@fizzypurple5495]

Awesome stuff Oakley! Also what are your thoughts on the new Rome 2: Spartan Edition? I thought it was a bit weird to still be realising Rome 2 editions

[@InvictaHistory]

+Fizzy Purple it seems so weird of them to make a whole video just to announce a bundle of existing game content without adding anything of value

[@lucaslapoutre8020]

liked it, will you do more?

[@NorweiganNarwhal]

So I've never played Total War before but I've been watching a lot of your massive battles and other videos over the past few days and was wondering what your advice would be on which Total War game I should buy. Should I just go with Attila or something earlier if I want a) a good multiplayer experience and b) a good game in general

[@UncleBurbon]

Epic fight! Well done!!

[@alakaboom4]

5:10 That guy made an arrow bounce off him... What A Fucking God

[@bigkahoonaburger7303]

Oakley though your awesome at tw and love your historical vids, and CA should add sub commanders to multi player as it's awesome, I can't help laughing as you pronounce periokoi (spelling optional ;-)) as it sounds like English football fans oi oi, making me feel at home, :-) try peer ee a koi.

[@JonatasAdoM]

Now this is a massive battle.

[@KVirello]

You should play with pixelated Apollo and Jackie fish

[@primarkbandit8535]

That pike manoever at the end was blunderful... threw your pikemen away for nothing xD.

[@tahoman1616]

Napoleon Total War naval battles, please? :)

[@fortythird]

Oakley, why don't you opt to turn off banners for replays so that it looks less gamey and more historical; like a real, big battle. Just consider it.

[@123456gordon]

21:56 'What are you looking at?' *stabs Bahahahaha ^^

[@benmccasker4389]

Plz do a siege as you defending

[@LittleMacscorner]

I'm curious why at the end you didn't dismount your Calvary to better contribute to the fight against the hopolites.

[@McWiggleClan]

so much fun to watch!!!

[@dinos9607]

Imagine an ancient Greek hoplite coming to 2016 to play this game (provided he was explained what is a computer, what is a computer game - not hard for these geniuses to grasp). In the first round he would actually lose since he would be applying the real life strategies, not necessarily being compatible with the game due to real life intrinsic details. However, once he would realise the actual wiring of the game, he would be unbeatable.

[@raleigh9019]

Great battle!

[@wolftotalwar]

when you gonna show our sub commanders tho. the reckage of indypride must be shown to the masses!

[@InvictaHistory]

+WOLFTotalWar I've got a lot of older video waiting to be commentated and released so I'm actually not sure when it will all go public

[@TheFunkSyndicate]

you just spoiled a battle that isn't even uploaded yet

[@wolftotalwar]

+Bw .b it was a 3v3. If one player out of 6 got wrecked, that doesn't spoil anything 😆

[@robertcarmichael9570]

Awesome battle, sub commanders worked well this time.

[@InvictaHistory]

+Robert Carmichael it definitely seems to make battles play out differently, usually for the best

[@gunjo141]

Valiant effort. I was worried it would be more lop-sided than that.

[@clarkogles3289]

YAAAAS mo sub commanders, maybe a subcommander based on the pelopanisian wars? I like to watch premarian rome

[@greekergaming9199]

Nice video!!Keep up the good work!

[@Triarii1]

That was awesome!

[@0MVR_0]

Enemy royal spartans charge order against cav, then hold position to use anti-charge melee. Smart commander.