Invincible Season 2 - Worth The Hype?

[@EldritchFunky]

I think Gus has the right point, invincible is a very different animal to the boys. I’d liken it more to something like venture bros, a pseudo satire that still unapologetically revels in, and clearly has a soft spot for, all the absurd logic and tropes of its inspirations.

[@T-Jex]

Garth Ennis fucking hates superheroes while Robert Kirkman actually loves it

[@AmazonessKing01]

This describes exactly why I don't like the boys.

[@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth]

While the Mark/Nolan relationship IS very similar to Vader/Luke, I'd point out it's been massively improved by establishing an actual father-son relationship beforehand. "I am your father" was impactful, but imagine if Luke actually had childhood memories of his dad before he "died."

[@PIayer_01]

Also Mark gets memories with Nolan after redemption. Nolan does die on the big planet after turning

[@thepoetoffall7820]

Here’s the thing, though, they did add a reference to invincible being in Fortnite. When Mark comes out of one of the portals, he drops a gun, that gun is from Fortnite… I don’t like fortnight. But that was a good subtle reference that I feel works.

[@26dollar]

they should make a special episode like the atom eve origin story but for invincible's time in fortnite

[@dragon1130]

​@@26dollarI don't see that being a good idea... for a number of different logistical reasons.

[@big_azzy]

In episode 8 when mark comes out of one of the portals he's holding a fortnite gun and uses it to swing at angstrom. It's a really blink and you miss it kind of thing, but it is technically a reference to the fact invincible is in fortnite.

[@T-Jex]

He didnt emote when he killed Levy, rookie mistake

[@big_azzy]

@@T-Jex When future robot/rex told him he wouldn't like what he would become if he stayed in that dimension, it's because he just spent twenty years emoting constantly all by himself. Total madness.

[@sherlocksmuuug6692]

​@@big_azzyNo wonder he ended up killing all those lizard people, he must have gone postal in there.

[@big_azzy]

@@sherlocksmuuug6692 I mean, that was rex. Those are rex's kills. Don't take that from him it's his greatest accomplishment.

[@MadameTamma]

To quote another KZbinr, Implicitlypretentious “You don’t always have to reinvent the wheel. Sometimes it’s enough to just dust the old wheel off and show everyone what made you fall in love with it in the first place.”

[@J--Dubs]

Season 2 was a fantastic set-up season. I almost wish they waited to release it alongside season 3 just because everything introduced here has its pay-offs in the upcoming events. (EDIT1) Also, just a quick note on the stalactite impalement comment: Nolan wasn't able to pierce his opponent's skin with the stalactite, he had to use his own body as a weapon first to make a wound that he could then shove the rock through, and even then it turned out that it didn't do much. (EDIT2) Another note on the comment that nobody died in the Lizard League fight: Kate died, and that became the pushing point that changes 2 characters (Rex and Immortal). So I wouldn't say that nothing happened because of it.

[@MadameTamma]

Agreed with all of this assessment. I think (provided that season 3 can continue this level of quality) that this season will get better with age once it gets sandwiched between seasons 1 and 3.

[@davidumann6707]

I think part of the reason people hate Amber is that the narrative itself treats her as being in the right. With Nolan, it's clear as day that he's the villain, and he's going to have to own up to his mistakes to even begin to redeem himself. But Amber is never going to apologize, because the writers don't think she has to. Mark and Amber's relationship was like "Mark messed up big time, but the pure hearted Amber forgave him and taught him a valuable lesson" rather than "they didn't communicate well but worked throug their issues".

[@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth]

In classic superhero/shonen media, the second season's finale would have been depicted as a moment of triumph. Think about it: the maniacal villain was getting the upper hand, until the hero reflected on his desire to defend the people he loved and turned the tables, displaying his true power, allowing him to suddenly render the villain helpless and finish them off. Invincible takes this oft-used narrative and forces us to ask how the hero's violence differs from the villain's. It's just as brutal and awful, the only difference is the justification used.

[@idk_plus_idc]

Haven't watched Invincible but to make another comparison to Anime, Invincible (from the impression I get from the discourse/spoilers) feels like Hunter X Hunter in the sense that everyone frames it like this deconstruction of a genre but it's just part of that genre and sure it has some elements that are twists on tropes within the genre (like invincibles excess violence as an example) but if you seriously look at it and it's contemporaries it's just a story that does more interesting things than the others but it's still a similar show

[@IkeOkerekeNews]

Invincible is a reconstruction not a deconstruction. And better for it imo.

[@iantaakalla8180]

Also, Hunter X Hunter is a deconstruction, but not one born of the need to take something down but in an unflinching commitment to follow consequences through, like for example Gon’s mindset and why that would leave him without powers. It is not trying to be set apart from battle shounen or have disdain from battle shounen, it just recognizes exploring long-term consequences.

[@ringer1324]

I thought the season was amazing. While I might prefer season 1 a little. I definitely think it was worth the wait much like the wait for Henry coming back after his 6 year absence from the channel was worth it.

[@dimochka69420]

DOROHEDORO MENTIONED 🦎🦎🦎

[@NonPlayerCactus]

DOROHEDORO MOMENT

[@Green-3c34y65vrbu]

i feel like the heroes wouldn't get DOMINATED all the time if they like, trained properly. in their training, is all they're doing throwing punches? they should try learning martial arts so that their powers can compliment their skill instead of just brute forcing it with their powers. like, Mark keeps punching his enemy further away from him, which is a bad move, because it gives them recovery time, and breaks your combo. what you wanna do is find a way to keep your enemy close to you so you can wham on them, while avoiding taking unnecessary risks. AKA, he runs towards his enemy, when he should be making his enemy run to him so he can react. grapples are a great move when you're in close range too.

[@dizzylilthing]

The way that people bring up the boys and invincible in conversations about the other feels like when people were comparing squid game to parasite and I can't stop giggling

[@DrLeckon]

just adding a little info; invinceble was made when image was still focusing on super heros and action, image didnt go full throttle into creator own comics until walking dead

[@dr.archaeopteryx5512]

Omniman could decimate Chicago IRL and there'd still be people who'd think Amber is worse somehow

[@sherlocksmuuug6692]

"Their pizza was ass anyway."

[@cinnis5670]

Invincible feels like a counterpart to Jojo's Bizarre Adventure. Where the fights in Invincible tend to come down to "who can punch da strongest" in JJBA fights tend to result in one of the characters pulling something out of their ass (and being awesome for it). Neither really feels perfect imo, but I feel like Invincible could've used more "cleverness" in the fights.

[@thehoodpinch7364]

Invincible is full of great fights, but some of the most clever ones are actually the ones Mark isn't in.

[@liammiller6247]

@@thehoodpinch7364 Yeah there are some pretty good fights in Invincible, but the issue is Mark's powers are just he's the Flying Prick. Other characters have powers that can be used in more variable and interesting ways, like Eve

[@thehoodpinch7364]

@@liammiller6247Sure, Mark has the potential for clever choreography, but they just fall back on the Superman routine - fly, punch, get pummeled, repeat

[@dr.archaeopteryx5512]

Invincible feels like the meatheadiest show on the air right now sometimes, but spectacle is fun to watch and the writing isn't actively bad so ya kno

[@PrussianoKbb]

3:54 JESUS IVE BEEN SAYING THAT FOR THE PAST IDK, 3 MONTHS AND NO ONE HAS EVER AGREED (I haven't said that to anyone, I don't talk to other people, but I've been saying that in my head, and nobody agreed with me until now)

[@jkr9594]

I think the part about the toby mcguire spidermsn comparison both miss here, due to being a bit older id lls that there just is s pretty large chunk of the cartoon watch9ng audience is just younger than tuose movies. Someone born in the mentioned example-year of 2006 is 18 now...

[@FlamezOfGamez]

Season 2’s teasing of character deaths (Allen and the Red Wedding Cake) felt weird to me. I had just read through all of The Walking Dead (also written by Robert Kirkman), and that series definitely put in the work to handle character deaths well, and likewise also handles near-fatal injuries in appropriately dramatic ways. Also, Mark did hit Angstrom with a gun from Fortnite.

[@DarkBelial]

haven't seen the vid yet, my opinion is yes, lol.

[@clementineshetheyfae8312]

Season 2 genuinely killed my interest in the show. The ending of Season 1 made it seem like the next big conflict would be obviously Omni man but also the brain Martian things. I watched the first drop of episodes and Omni Man was dealt with so quickly it felt like a sick joke and there is an entirely new conflict and antagonist situation that feels like it came out of left field.

[@sugoiuseismoeabuse4058]

Debbie has had a great showing this season. I'm surprised you two haven't been focused on her scenes.

[@V1ndy]

i’m probably not the first person to say this but they actually do reference mark being in fortnite! During the fight with Angstrom levy at one point Mark comes out of a portal holding a sniper from fortnite. Its a very blink and you’ll miss it moment but i think that’s part of why it works well it doesn’t take over the scene but if you notice it it’s a cool touch

[@jeffscrungle6179]

My favorite part was the stuff that was happening in my head that I thought was gonna happen during the mid-season break.

[@ViltrumiteIsRite99]

I feel that way with the plots to Dragon Ball and Sonic games. For the latter, some of the newer stories aren’t as cool as they could’ve been.

[@Pvale777]

I didn't watch Invincible but it's always great to have a new video

[@prisma6799]

capeshit needs a faithful Worm adaptation, it's the perfect time to do it

[@PIayer_01]

Everyone who read the comics loves Angstroms arcs not sure who you talked to who said his story sucks

[@PIayer_01]

@@moistenedwall1003 from the artist Picolo. Look up “Picolo invincible”

[@PIayer_01]

@@moistenedwall1003 from an artist called Picolo. Search for “Picolo Invincible”

[@rattled6732]

A video on JoJos bizarre adventure would be incredible

[@smidlem1117]

yoooooo henry back!!! love this, was wondering if maybe you guys would be interested in taking on the zone of interest? given the talk about fascism here, i think this would be an incredible movie to hear ye talk about (and for ye to watch tbh)

[@zlegochamp]

i have never heard anyone say that angstrom levi was a weaker villain. he's mark's nemesis. I think this season was great. if i even do have criticisms its only because i love the story and want it to be the best it could be. i think that they should have shown angstrom more getting ready to set him up. the action animation and voice acting is incredible. i think must of the criticisms here can be brushed aside. it all mostly makes sense when you've read the comics

[@calhanlon5568]

You guys should read Worm, it's a free Web novel that is a fascinating reconstruction of superhero tropes

[@glonx639]

You might really like Sakurada Reset. It's an indie gem, but positively the most intelligent anime I've ever seen in my entire life. Which I know, isn't saying a lot, but it's wonderfully refreshing to see a super power show where the main characters solves issues by being clever and talking things out with the big bad's rather than brute force violence.

[@sugoiuseismoeabuse4058]

Glad Amber chilled down in season 2.

[@jiratsu]

yes

[@etharchildres3976]

I’m surprised Henry’s a Konosuba guy, considering that LIM lampooned that type of show so hard.

[@comicconman8826]

You guys need to read worm, it's the better edgy superhero reconstruction.

[@dr.archaeopteryx5512]

Take that, you worm

[@clementineshetheyfae8312]

HENRY WATCH THE VISION OF ESCAFLOWNE PLEASE

[@Joey245]

Never watched Invincible, but I always love listening to Gus and Henry talk about stuff! Henry's entered his Anime Arc, he could become too powerful 👀 Could he become...invincible?

[@NonPlayerCactus]

Bold of you to assume Henry isn’t already invincible

[@domonichenning7262]

What happened to an episode about everything everywhere all at once by you guys

[@gigablast4129]

it was an ok second season imo(also nice taste in shows henry)

[@ronin8471]

Why does everyone assume criticism of how badly Amber was written in season one is due to her being black? Season 1, Ep 6, our merry band of teenagers are getting attacked by Doug "reanamen" Cheston. Marc has to disappear from the fight to change into Invincible. After the fight ends, Amber asks, "Who is that?" Marc returns as himself and Amber accuses Marc of being a coward because he abandoned them as if a normal human being could have done something against a cyborg. Guess they don't have Terminator in their universe. Next episode, Marc finally tells her he's Invincible and she says she knows he's a superhero. WTF!!??? She came off as the potential crazy ex girlfriend at that point trying to gaslight our superhero for not paying enough attention to her while he was out "Saving the world" to quote something she kept saying throughout the entire season. If they had kept her as a blue eyed blond as in the comics, the fan reaction would have been the same or even more intense. Kirkman even acknowledged somewhat they screwed up Amber which is why she was much better written in season two. But it hard to come back from how bad she came off in the first season. You need to watch LongBeachGriffy's parody skit to understand.

[@titania396]

Chainsaw Man!!!

[@NoOne-lc8qj]

can you talk about the boys?

[@NonPlayerCactus]

*If the show’s called Invincible, how come can I see it?* (I didn’t watch season 2, this comment is worthless)

[@titania396]

Eh. Sure why not

[@romulusnuma116]

The problem I had with season 2 of Invincible was that I had forgotten everything that happened in season 1 so was very confused the world time

[@Green-3c34y65vrbu]

i mean that's your own fault lol

[@thescorchingpteranodon7986]

Season 2 was mostly a filler season.

[@MephobiaMan]

I don’t like amber her character is not my cup of tea Nolan is a horrible person but he is a good character still don’t like him and he shouldn’t get redemption

[@jazzburrell8870]

Yeah thats my point. Nolan is obviously worse. But he's more fun to watch on screen than amber

[@PirateKingBoros]

The show on its own is ok but dear god the pacing is awful and it’s a TERRIBLE adaptation.

[@migarsormrapophis2755]

it was quite passable, which is frankly amazing for a 2020's Western animated series.

[@raviolithedesigner3736]

There are plenty of great Western 2020 animated series lmao. Arcane Blue Eye Samurai Smiling Friends Scavengers Reign Scott Pilgrim Saves the World Inside Job Ninja Kamui X-Men '97 Bluey Carol & the End of the World You've just gotta look a little past the most mainstream.

[@kingj9664]

​@@raviolithedesigner3736 Thank you

[@iantaakalla8180]

Heck, Arcane is mainstream. It’s not that talked about, but people know what you mean when you say “Arcane”. So in fact, animated series are eating good right now.

[@hohnmagna6903]

​@@raviolithedesigner3736Okay everything you said was fine except Ninja Kamui

[@cameronjohnson4936]

My read on S1 Amber was that she was a deconstruction of the superhero’s GF. She is constantly ditched and lied to, then once Mark reveals he did this because he’s a superhero, it doesn’t fix the problems. And it puts a lot of strain on their relationship bc Mark expected it to fix everything. Unfortunately, many members of the audience agree with Mark. And also yes, this is only this bad because black and woman, ala the live action Little Mermaid

[@TheSurprisePig]

Knowing Henry likes Konosuba makes me like him less, lots of creepy loli shit in that show.

[@etharchildres3976]

Yeah, and he’s made fun of that trope(?) in previous videos. I’d be interested in hearing an explanation for that.

[@royaloreo1275]

I like Goblin Slayer, and the recently read it's another book. I seriously did not expect that much attention to be on girls boobs. Like, a lot of descriptions of breasts. I did not remember that before. So maybe Henry just forgot about loli stuff and remembers the fun.

[@etharchildres3976]

@@royaloreo1275 Sometimes you grow a tolerance. I like Throne of Glass. It’s a YA fantasy romance series. The prose of those books is very repetitive and the descriptions are broad and unhelpful at times. I still enjoy the characters, fight scenes, and how well-put-together the story is, and I’ll probably keep enjoying it and other S.J.M. books. Black Summoner is basically a “Great Value Isekai” that’s free on my library’s Hoopla. Everything about this story-the characters, world-building, and action-is just passable and it’s been fun to dissect. However, in Volume 3, a 14-year-old character is introduced. She wears “armor” that covers everything except her vital organs, clearly for THOSE reasons. Do I drop the series because the author is showing too much of their ass, or do I tolerate it because it was already mid to begin with, and the rest of the series is fine-not at all great, just passable. Is it worth the effort to have an opinion?

[@YungandRekless545]

I don't feel like my time was wasted aside from Mark and Amber's subplot

[@riccardoleone4265]

Gee, I hated how everyone blathered about Invincible being more "mature", but doing the same nonsense of every other battle shonen and cape comic where the sturdiness of a body depends on the whim of the writer, but even worse. What the hell is that "I will cut your gut with the side of my hand" move from Omniman that works even on other Vitrumites? Imagine humans being able to do that to other humans.

[@cookingwithtool159]

I can’t wait until we get an animated mini series based around Aliens vs. Predator vs. Brown vs. Board of Education