iPhone 14 Pro: Only Apple Could Pull This Off

[@thao]

✌ On a scale of 1 - 10, how cool is Dynamic Island? 💬 Prodigee’s iPhone 14 lineup: www.iamprodigee.com (use code THAO30 for 30% OFF)

[@Grovalife]

Solid 8 for usability lol

[@ddylan4cats]

7 becuase it is interesting but it has some concerns

[@katzcassim]

9 🤗♥️

[@Junispro31]

7. Just wondering it may smudge the camera often, and it's too high up to reach for one handed use.

[@SuperAayush11]

-1000000

[@ezenwajoseph]

Thao's videos are so underrated, I don't know why many people haven't figured out her channel yet!

[@NartaQNC]

321k subscribers… it’s not really a small channel lol

[@gao1812]

To me, it seems like the kind of gimmick that looks good at first but soon becomes very tiring when you actually have to use it on a daily basis

[@techbypeel]

How?

[@anxietyweebz]

3 things It’s to far up the screen It will collect smudges from your finger which will lead to frequent cleaning of the selfie camera It’s not actually useful.. and currently any android phone can use this feature with a theme app(an Apple calls it an innovation 😂)

[@POLSTAR123]

@@techbypeel really hoowwwwww? imagine using other hand to constantly change or control settings everytime i would rather have the controls pop froma swipe up from bottom left or right since everyones finger will and can reach the bottom and its "one hand use"

[@VAKZ23]

ohh like generally the way we use our phones everyday? swiping down the notification bar be it android or iOS? yeahhhh right.. its called features

[@techno9780]

@@POLSTAR123 well the notch isn't on the bottom/left/right, which was the point... to make use of dead space. Notification and control center has been from top anyways and I could personally reach it with one hand. As much as I would like a swipe left or right, the main thing was to make the notch functional.

[@CharlieBrown-gb6wi]

3:42 Jaheim and Jagged Edge! Thao bumpin'!!🎧😎👍🏽

[@LeafarR1657]

They should expend that money and effort to develop ways to use big phones with one hand, like Samsung does. Dinamic Island is only pretty, it's not ergonomic and cause dirty lens. I hope they improve that.

[@PanosPitsi]

nobody is using a phone with only one hand nowadays if you do ur using it wrong.

[@sifatullah7568]

@@PanosPitsi Nobody? Maybe only you. But there is many people who actually have to use one handed mode many times for actual use. It's like saying "me and my friends don't use this feature, so if you're looking for this feature, you're using it wrong". If you don't use it it's fine, but don't try to say "you're using it wrong". Maybe smartphone companies contacted you personally idk to make a rule that "our phones aren't made for one handed use, we're going to make our phones bigger and bigger and you have to use all your hands to use them always, because you only do social media and music and we know our customers." ?

[@ezenwajoseph]

The pill cutout on the 14 Pro and its Max is called "Dynamic Island", while the Notch on every other iPhone are called "Static Island" 🙃

[@MidwestPyro55]

It wouldn't be called an island on the other iPhones. maybe a peninsula

[@jejunamja]

Hey, congratulations on your new family member and thanks for the video not so sure about the whole pill thing I was hoping we were moving away from a cut out to a full screen

[@robertjohnson9097]

sorry just wanted to say LG had the floating bar. It was done on the V series

[@JohnScigulinsky]

LG also had the same 3D face scanning face-unlock, and also added a gesture-control feature on top of the face-scanning.

[@filmtherapybw]

4:00 thank you. That's what I have been thinking. I feel like it's useless IMO especially if you're an Android. Coz on my Huawei Nova 7i, I can just swipe down the notification panel and have all those live activities showing. You may argue that the notification panel takes the whole screen, but...that doesn't matter coz if you use the dynamic island, you're only gonna focus on the island and ignore the app you're using. So I don't get the argument.

[@andyH_England]

Now developers have the API they can add value. You are looking something that has been out a week and judging it. That is just not fair. Wait 3-6 months and see where it is. I think you will be surprised.

[@CAC8K]

One of the main features of Samsung that no one talks about is, when taking a screenshot it has a 'go to website' that takes you right back to the page! That the separate app sound and split screen and overlay mode is the only thing stopping me from switching to iphone. I luv the faceID, pictures, fluidness, social media apps.

[@1993rufus]

Samsung has SOOOOO many useful features but only the smaller channels actually go through all of them. Supersaf, MKHD, iJustine, Mrwhostheboss amd other major ones would NEVER do that because it would make Apple look inferior!!

[@KhoaNguyen-sy6np]

@@1993rufus In a mrwhotheboss's video, MKBHD and he stated that they barely use the split-screen mode on Android. So what do you expect from them?

[@theblip6950]

Thank you. I thought I was the only one who appreciated that "go to website" feature. It helps out a lot especially to students who takes a lot of screenshots

[@dineshong7498]

very well thought on current everyday use and very good highlights. Thank You for sharing your experiences. Hopefully the company will take note and improve the devices further via SW updates.

[@andipandi7802]

If you pull down from top right before locking phone and dim the screen there. When it goes into Always On Display, it will be much dimmer again. Have a play around with it. I do agree there should be a separate setting to control how bright the AOD is, maybe this will come in the next sw update.

[@mplutz9564]

It's amazing that this is the first review among big KZbinrs hat I watched where concerns and downsides of "dynamic island" are objectively addressed.

[@PrinceRevolver]

Dynamic island is cool, but ultimately useless imo. I don't wanna reach to the top of my screen everytime I wanna interact with it.

[@fanecuffy5743]

Not to mention smudging your front facing camera lol

[@stefano3124]

@@fanecuffy5743 they did that to boost the expensive apple cloth sales lmfao.

[@iron_recluse]

Yeah it’s more of an aesthetic bonus since it’s all the way up on the screen. I was surprised at the amount of ppl making a big fuss about the dynamic island. Apple marketing at its best. 🏝️

[@TechOdyssey]

Great video, Thao!

[@tabishalis]

The one thing you don't want on your cameras is fingerprint smudges. This "dynamic island" is basically inviting you to do that lol.

[@emalejack]

Dynamic island reminds me of Samsung Edge and LG V series with a menu bar at the edge and the LG on the top for additional functionality, But where are they now??? 😬

[@allabouttech8944]

Samsung has Edge Display now. Really great for multitasking.

[@kenray3205]

I have the S22 ultra that is best phone out at the moment.Waited for the iPhone 14 Pro Max before making a decision.Apple can call it whatever they want it is still a Notch.

[@rayandsharica362]

Lol apple can't trick me I study apple like a bookevery year nothing changes

[@shyshy808]

Excellent review. I love the fact that you had a Samsung watch on. I am an apple user who has recently switched to SamsunG flip 4 and Watch 5. So far so good. Dynamic island was not a selling feature for me.

[@liamjohnson3247]

Dynamic island is a breakthrough for ios users but a normal thing for android users. Dates back to 2016

[@Zurxxc]

The always on display does go off automatically when the screen is face down, when it’s in your pocket and when you just leave it sitting for a long time. (Over night) No need to mess with any settings. You can also control the brightness of the always on display by turning the brightness slider down. 👌

[@hirostvjapan]

For me, that island is in the way when you watch the video. And since it's so low I saw in one video that was funny that with facetime that bar comes across his friend's forehead which he said was funny. I think better is to do what Samsung does if there is the app you want to open right away and make it into a floating bubble style. You can move to any place you want. I use it all the time and love it. For phone calls for Galaxy, you can choose a couple ways. A small view or medium size view pops up or like iPhone covers the full screen when a call comes in. So Galaxy you don't need that island.

[@andyH_England]

Early days, apps will update so Dynamic Island does not overlap. No one should make a final conclusion now, wait for third party support.

[@SC2point0]

Hubby: "What's for dinner?" Thao: "Nothing lol." 😆

[@strangebaaza]

I wish Apple gave a way to keep the podcast player there for a while. Or manually swipe it. If I pause my podcast and go to another app it goes away which is annoying

[@martinaurik2189]

I have IPhones for some time.This video confinced me to get a “Samsung Galaxy Flip 4”even more.Nice to see that “Apple”and “Samsung”both have something for everyone.Depending on your needs and design choices.

[@Hankerang]

Personally I think always on display could be so much better if apple didn’t feel the need to be different, and just made an all black screen, but left time, widgets, and battery (or something like that) I want an always on display but I don’t want that big of a battery hit

[@TheOtherBill]

Even Samsung's clock-only black screen AOD is a noticeable battery hit, this is going to be even bigger.

[@steve9348]

Just remember sanding makes apples screens

[@rolandaustria7926]

It doesn’t take that much of a battery hit as other videos have shown. AOD on the iPhone 14 takes about 5% in a single day.

[@andyH_England]

Apple implemented it much better than Android as it uses less battery. If Apple just copy and pasted Android then it would be against what Apple does, they always do it different, like it or not. If they copied Android all Android fans would be trolling saying copycats, even now they do this.

[@Soto-Tech2020]

Dynamic nonsense more like it. Sth that's not necessary at all. Those functionalities can be achieved in many other different ways. The more this super intrusive nonsense gets praised the more chances other companies will copy this stupidity. I really really hope Samsung doesn't bring back this awful pill shaped cutout, I really do.

[@andyH_England]

Two Android OEMs are already looking at copying, but they are polling their users to see if they want it?

[@Soto-Tech2020]

@@andyH_England Well, I hope at least most Android users are not dumb enough to say YES!!

[@andyH_England]

@@Soto-Tech2020 Yes, I suspect they will not want it, but who knows in China as the 14 Pros had 2 million pre-orders in 24 hours!

[@narutooolakatos2907]

Love to see someone who really does her job not just nEw CaMeRa , keep up the good work :)

[@sayadalijavad7909]

Dont u think dynamic island is a copy of samsungs popup notification or popup app feature

[@wendelynmusic]

the day after they showed off the notification island, a programmer created an island for the samsaung phone. in one day.

[@M1tZk1]

Now that's a feature Android should copy from Apple for once.

[@DiloraObi]

I love this review Thao! I am so excited that Apple finally implemented the Always on Display like Android has been doing for years. I hope that they will consider the dim feature that you mentioned.

[@giane911]

Having a dynamic island on a mini-sized pro would be good. But tbh the dynamic island gimmick doesnt do that much imo, most especially if you cant reach it with one hand.

[@ChrisCarlos64]

It is an interesting design choice, but now you're more likely to cover the front camera with fingerprints. Maybe not an issue for many, but annoying little thing nonetheless I feel.

[@andyH_England]

Most people clean their cameras when they are going to use them, or they should, so I do not see an issue.

[@RofiqueBegum]

Exactly!

[@vincehny]

Dynamic Island is actually a cool concept but as you stated it's limited. Also, what you didn't cover about it, is it looks horrible when outdoors. As far as Apple's version of an always on display, lot of people hate it and I agree. The fact that the screen only dims and actually doesn't completely goes black is annoying. I would constantly think that I had a notification or a reason to have to interact with my phone. Overall, I don't see a real reason to upgrade to this phone.

[@eumenkim]

LG basically did Dynamic Island on their V10 many many years ago. My biggest issue with both is that they are at the top of the screen. I understand that Apple is using it to justify the hole-punch as well as add some "coolness" to it with the style, but a practical move would be to have it at the bottom right, I think that would make a "dynamic" change for many users. I think Samsung did it best so far with the Edge Panel, but I think that could be made better with more interactivity options and if it was made more prominent like Apple has with Dynamic Island.

[@ak_hoops]

Nice impressions! Loking forward to the full review

[@scottanchelowitz9774]

Great quick review thank you

[@stefw0200]

Nice video. Neither like the dynamic island nor Apple's AOD. Instead of reducing the notch for full display content the new solution is even more disturbing placed within display instead border only. To permanently tap (fingerprints) on cam and sensors is downgrade stupid. Furthermore to place even more controls at the very top of the display of nowadays big phones isn't user friendly at all. So Apple wasn't able to shrink the notch so they invented some gimmicks. It may look interesting but that will wear off. AOD costs battery time so the less pixels / leds have to be turned on the better. So a full screen AOD even with background pic IMO is pure nonsense, especially if you can't dim it down enough at night.

[@1993rufus]

Finally a smart person who uses their brain to see through Apples nonsense! iSheep would be blown away if Tim Apple 💩 in a bag and called it iWaste! 😂

[@1993rufus]

@@ucheokoyeinuluonum4296 exactly!! Idk why iSheep be wetting their knickers over that BS!

[@JohnScigulinsky]

@@ucheokoyeinuluonum4296 one important difference is the screen refresh rate is reduced to 1Hz (hence no "seconds" in the timer). This DOES save on battery and is not something you can notice. Not turning off the pixels is still a bad call tho.

[@andyH_England]

My Pixel 6 Pro basic AOD loses 1% per hour. The 14 Pro Max loses 0.5% an hour yet displays more. I mean if you are complaining about the iPhone you should be even more upset with the Pixel (and probably Samsung). Apple uses a co-processor for the display that means it sips battery. This is a very clever implementation that sadly Android fans do not understand, or simply just cannot accept Apple did it better? As for the Dynamic Island, two weeks in and it is pretty great. Give it two months and we will see third party apps use it and optimise to it.

[@1993rufus]

@@andyH_England im not complaining about batter life, its the implementation and yes, its just a dim lock screen while ours actually looks different when AOD is on. Apples just looks like its in the timeout phase, that's not better, on Android, we can have the same effect if we dim the display and disable timeout, so yeah, we have what Apple offers but we have a better version of it at the same time. As for dynamic Island, thats just stupid. Android developers already made an exact version of it 1 or 2 days after the unveiling which comes to show, it's not a matter of Android can't handle, its a matter of it's useless since we already have other forms of it. But hey, you do you and just make sure to buy the $25 Apple cloth so you can clean the camera every 2 minutes!! 😂😂😂😂

[@adimperial]

Fantastic review

[@NoName-fn6ee]

Does the Pill cutt off 18:9 Videos on the iPhone 14 Pro Max? Love Your content!!!

[@Itsnotreallytom]

I love your reviews they always feel like they are just you talking about stuff your passionate about, not too sure about dynamic island I feel like it clashes with the iPhones aesthetics

[@ezenwajoseph]

Thao are you switching or still rocking your Galaxy Flip 4🙃

[@virushulk4693]

awesome review, only u mentioned that it will show only two apps, that's why i like u.

[@androphobe]

Great video!

[@EnterGaming]

I love your reviews 💙

[@Grovalife]

Been waiting for this review!

[@MJG70]

Great review!

[@paidimarryprithvirakshaksh8153]

"Hi everyone, Thao here!" never gets old, although we all are getting old ;_;

[@1alb]

There’s cognitive dissonance about the supposed improvement over the ‘notch’ with Dynamic Island. This is a shrewd cop-out by Apple… So, now we have this capsule like blob further down the screen making it far more intrusive than the notch. But, we are supposed to believe it’s an improvement because it appears to stretch in a novel way, with supposed functionality that offers features that could be done in far better ways. Yet, at no point, does the intrusive blob go away and is always imposing itself further down the screen more than the notch ever has. You can see my point clearly in the side by side display of the iPhone 14 and 14 Pro. If nobody knew, most would assume the old notch as the supposed improvement as it sits less intrusive, closer to the edge of screen. This is one of Apple’s more obvious deceptions ever! And as for the ‘Dynamic Island?’- Well, perhaps next time Apple will consult design technicians who possess something above a kindergarten mentality. I had fully intended to purchase the 14 pro…. Hopefully something more effective and subtle will come with iPhone 15 Pro. Needless to say, I won’t be upgrading.

[@jdzspace33]

Eh...the pill isn't really that impressive to me. So far so it's done is gotten in the way when watching videos, but overall it's fine. My last iPhone was the XS Max and this one is more enjoyable to use. Have to wait for an adapter to see for gaming works, and the rounded edges really makes it look like a child's play thing. But overall, I don't regret getting it. It'll never be my daily driver, but it's good to have both OS around just in case

[@saulslowik395]

The pill is Apple trying to find a solution for a problem it created, and it's just, at its core, another notch. It's a gimmick to me. I really wish Apple would get on board with split-screen on, especially on a 6.1 inch screen. There is no reason, in 2022, that the Pro or Pro Max should be a slightly larger rendering of a homescreen from 2007.

[@zoelipop]

Offcourse only Apple can pull it off bcz they can only imitate and polish it from what Samsung or other Android phones firstly discover...those island and AoN, not a breakthrough tho. One handed mode still more preffered, island just a means from Apple not to be called plagiarism 😆

[@muzegames]

Try once more but in English.

[@2078smith]

He might be saying, LG was the first with a dynamic island. Like they always do, they stole from android.

[@1993rufus]

@@PipieProductionRcrds you're the 3rd sad person here cuz clearly you have nothing better to do with your life other than to be a negative Nancy! 😂

[@zoelipop]

@@PipieProductionRcrds a foolish sheep

[@tosh093]

Pretty sure it's fate will be exactly like the touch bar of macbook pro. Looks cool but perfectly useless feature which takes extra screen space.

[@anthonywilliams9415]

Okay.....got the Jaheem playing!!

[@muhammadsyafiq7760]

The other thing only Apple can pull it off later is introducing Apple handkerchief worth $199 to wipe the Dynamic Island.

[@faash41]

The Always On Display feature has been around for like 5 years Apple : Always On Display JUST GOT REAL !

[@kuje75]

don't think that dynamic island is really useful, but it does look cool. my last iPhone was iPhone xs and I currently use Samsung s22+. love both Samsung and iPhone. might get one of these if i got enough cash since us dollar is pretty high now compared to our currency. the price is outrageous here.

[@theblip6950]

Check out one ui 5 beta 3 update. They improved the animations by a lot, changed the lock screen customization to match ios 16....no even better(i have a 13 pro and s22 ultra so not biased). Basically, the ios 16's exclusive features(that i know) that samsung devices doesnt have are double tap on the back for an action, extracting text from a video.

[@SergioBridgett]

Just wanna say all the music you were playing for the B roll are BANGERS.

[@Techvoyage777]

I believe on accessibility, you go to display and reduce whitepoint to bring down brightness at night.

[@ArquelCudia_xAMTCx]

It's not that amazing at all. What is MORE interesting is owning Samsung Galaxy Fold 4!!!

[@ayaatmehraj]

Mahallah...🥰🥰🥰 Your reviews are on the next level. You gave us a lot of information about tech. Thanks a lot thao.....🥰🥰🥰

[@jamesherrera6973]

Hey good to see your videos 🎉

[@MarilynDIAZDESIGNS]

Awww congratulations on the baby!!!! P.S. my son convinced me to go to iPhone which means I'll be ditching my note 10+ and GW4. I'm so scared! Lol. I take notes almost every day with my s pen so we shall how this goes. Waiting for the pro max to come in to ship. I've been using android all my life! Before Samsung, I only used Blackberry and before that Nextel phones with walkie talkie. Lol.

[@keng8883]

I created a black & white AOD but the sleep focus turns the display off which I have set at bed time. This is the only time I would want the AOD active so for me it is a failed feature. I would like to see the AOD as a separate feature as it is on my Samsung phone.

[@ahfimiwonawun]

Congratulations, Thao.

[@Kancheeban]

subscribed just by 1 video. congratulations Thao 🤜🤛

[@tevii3514]

Love watching your videos ❤️

[@joshs154]

Just discovered your videos so good! Please could do one on your thoughts on the Pixel 7 pro vs 14 pro max?

[@Ritz_Crack]

Your music choices are 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@ericpowell4350]

Former Apple fanatic here ... Apple tech is trolling consumers.

[@darkentity94]

And takes more money

[@AIejandroide]

That 5% per night is with wifi and data on?

[@chezchezchezchez]

This is pretty much stark contrast to John Prossor’s’s latest video. Did you see John prossor’s “ don’t buy the iPhone 14” video that came out today?

[@daverose5191]

The pill is laughable and annoying to me. I switched to Samsung a few years ago and never looked back. I like Samsung and how they have a tiny hole punch, not an annoying pill that is always there and interferes with your content. Whether you like it or now. To me the pill is simply a widget which android has pioneered for years before Apple and is highly customizable.

[@borg111]

I am on the same page as Steve Jobs' daughter when it comes to iPhone 14. The whole island thing is showing how unwilling or unable apple is on move away from the ancient notch design.

[@user-dx1kj6kj7t]

Thao your music list was epic 👍

[@SanusiAdewale]

You really have great music taste!

[@Food-is_Life]

Congratulations Thao on the new addition! 🎉🍾🎊 We’re going to have one coming next month. 🥰

[@silvahawk]

what's the point of bringing everthing down to the bottom on the lockscreen to then make those ui stays at the top and call it a "feature". Not very one handed friendly and seems inconsistent across different places

[@phinsxiii]

First year I’m skipping an update. Sorry Apple. This is more like a small S year and not worth the money.

[@za-jm8wf]

As a brainwashed iPhone user. The island isn't all that. It sounds and looks nice but not that great in real life.

[@brazileiro1irock]

the only way people are gonna use after a month or two is if Apple adds the notifications on the "pill" other than that it's gonna be a gimmick like 3d touch was.

[@kenkid15]

May I ask for the wireless charging stand that u used in the video while were talking about the always on display feature?

[@katzcassim]

Awesome thanks Thao 👍😘🤗 love it ❤️♥️😘

[@6maxwell99]

Great video thao. But that thing is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. I give it one star.😂😂😂

[@Cjmboo]

at this point apple don’t know what to do with these phones look like ima keep my 13 pro max till the 17 pro max comes out

[@ForeverVersatile]

Love your taste in music! #R&B

[@macktheripper7454]

I see the “dynamic island “ as “we couldn’t figure out under screen cameras “

[@ayeadam]

Just FYI you don’t have to set the sleep schedule iPhone automatically picks up your habits and turns off the display accordingly happened when I woke up before my alarm

[@Daniela-2208]

Can you review the dynamic island for android vs iPhones integration?

[@michaelmizo998]

Beautiful Iphone 14 pro 🌹

[@fhjazzz]

CAN YOU PLEASE COMPARE THIS TO THE zflip4 PLEASEEEEEEEE

[@B9M3]

The LG V10 did it first in 2015.

[@julienalexander6113]

Thinking ima try iphone for a year depending what samsung does for the 23 series

[@super.digi777]

My theory on why the pill is the way it is and why dynamic island exists : Apple is going to put a second tiny screen replacing the pill. A screen that moves due to an electric motor. To cover up the camera, face id components. This'll be a first for apple but hey at least they'll be able say they're doing it the "apple" way. And they won't take the "camera behind the screen" approach like how samsung and zte are doing today because the selfie photo samples that have came out of that is garbage quality. Apple just wont settle that. With the moving screen (that only requires a tiny area to shift to reveal or cover up the camera stuff, you can easily access selfie camera because nobody needs the selfie camera 24 7 365. The only problem then will become the Face Id as it constantly needs to be there to unlock the phone. They could substitute that with Touch id + that is an ultrasonic inscreen fingerprint sensor

[@1993rufus]

That design is such a hideous thing! Idk why people think that is innovation! Id take a UD fingerprint scanner and small cut out over that disgusting mess ANY day!! And that is NOT an AOD, that's a dim lock screen. Samsung's AOD is 100% customizable AND has auto dim/brightness depending on the environment!

[@ParthRathod103]

Dynamic Island Cool :- 10/10 Use :- 2/10 Reachability :- 1/10 Two Hands required to use it is annoying to reach on the top of the screen every time. i dont find it usable its just the animation but it doesnt make the life easier? & indeed it is making the camera blurry on every touch. Feeling it as cool and buying has a different audience but as per my opinion its just the thing to not solve the actual problem of notch and putting a fancy bandage on it.

[@kaydens6964]

If you want a one handed phone go with 13mini.

[@ParthRathod103]

@@kaydens6964 I am just reviewing dynamic island specifically which only comes in 14 pro series. Paying so much money why cant one put out a honest opinion. I am good with my 13 pro max

[@benkem7584]

@@ParthRathod103 u dont have the phone tho

[@andyH_England]

Dynamic Island will work with reachability in iOS 16.1 so that point is moot moving forward, though relevant for a few more weeks. The use will increase as the API is now with developers and I expect them to come up with some great tricks. It is not even two weeks old and to judge it now is quite unfair and inappropriate.

[@DeRock401]

One of my fav Jaheim tracks!

[@greyhamlogan2255]

Why is it even a feature, still a notch and look at the way you have to use it. So it's barely a 2.

[@JohnScigulinsky]

because it has "nExT LevEl AnImAtIoNs". And because it's Apple and it's one of the 2 changes from the 13 pro, so they gotta talk about SOMETHING.

[@kavinab6629]

My girl was listening to jagded edge!! Go on Thao!! ❤

[@strangebaaza]

AOD is horrible. It drained 4% in 5 hours when I was sleeping. Which sucks

[@blues7667]

I feel like nth much to talk about anymore when "new" iPhone comes out. Old LG phone had something similar few years ago.