iPhone Satellite vs Garmin inReach

[@JeremyMarkel]

I’m a SAR member in BC Canada and we’ve had four rescues this year initiated by an iPhone so I can testify that feature works well.

[@Hikingguy]

Thanks for sharing that appreciate it 👍🏻

[@JeremyMarkel]

@ActualSurvivalist Granted it may not work 100% of the time but in conversations with other SAR teams in BC, we can conclude it has worked hundreds of times in our province in the last couple of years. And we have the data recorded at a provincial level to support it since the means by which people initiate calls for help are recorded as part of our data collections. I'm just pointing out that it's worked fine in incidents we've responded to and as @hikingguy says in the video, the iPhone SOS is good enough for most people.

[@stefw0200]

You got 4 messages, that's great of course and testified that it worked in these cases. But that doesn't say anything about connection quality, i.e. how many emergency cases might have tried to call but failed. I'm quite worried about phones claiming to be able to handle this, because - as their method is so much cheaper - in the long run they will kill the Garmin that has proven to work under bad conditions.

[@Hikingguy]

@@stefw0200 The Garmin data also doesn't say anything about connection quality, i.e. how many emergency cases might have tried to SOS but failed. I've had inReach fail to send enough times over the years. I've spoken to SAR people in CA who have testified to the fact that the Apple SOS works well and has led to rescues. I think the point is that people who may have been normally SOL now have an option. If you want the best possible chances, have sone redundancy, of which the iPhone can be an option in.

[@JeremyMarkel]

@@stefw0200 When I say it worked well, I'm speaking of the four people we responded to that used an iPhone to initiate the emergency. iPhone's have been used in hundreds of other cases with other SAR teams in BC in the last couple of years with success but yeah, there are probably some who couldn't get a message through the first time. Maybe they kept trying until it did or found some other means of calling for help. I can't say. I do see phones becoming the de facto means for emergency SOS as satellite messaging/data/internet becomes more ubiquitous in the coming years. I don't think other SOS devices are going to go away though; there will always be a market for them for the more serious backcountry crowd, IMO. Curiously, though, more and more ski, alpine, and mountain guides I meet are coming to only rely on their phones for maps and SOS and I see this trend continuing. Personally, I expect I'll be carrying around an Inreach for years to come for many reasons outlined in this video.

[@misterbeane]

I live in Weaverville, NC near Asheville in the WNC mountains and had to evacuate a few days ago due to the damage from the hurricane. I didn't have cell service, water, or power for days, and I suddenly remembered that my iPhone 15 Pro could text via sat connection so my wife and I went outside and sent texts to our family and friends to let them know we were okay and heading out soon. Worked perfectly and I'm so thankful that feature exists. iPhone FTW!

[@Hikingguy]

Good to know, thank you for posting

[@MicajahMcCurry]

@@misterbeane me too! But I could never get a friends iPhone 15 to work. I think it wasn’t on ios18 though and that was the issue.

[@FrIoSrHy]

My mate had a similar thing happen with his pixel and he was super glad to have the feature.

[@JoJa015]

One thing to keep in mind is induction charging is not as efficient as direct cable charging. So a power bank that you direct connect will last longer then a mag safe power bank if they have the same capacity.

[@alexronaldinho12]

@@JoJa015 most MagSafe chargers will direct cable charge a phone as well. Just make sure to bring a cable

[@purplepenguin43]

true, counterpoint the thing that always breaks on my phone or charger is the cable/port. with wireless your gonna have to crack the device in half for it to stop working.

[@battery_wattage]

It’s also more efficient to charge when the battery is

[@billruttan117]

@@battery_wattageThat sounds more like old ni-cad battery behavior. iPhone lithium ion bats should work well and have long lifespan when operating between 20-80%.

[@battery_wattage]

@@billruttan117 I’m not talking about lifespan, but charging efficiency. I can’t link because my comment gets deleted, but search online for forums where wireless earbuds only get their claimed total listening time when fully discharging them, then putting them back into the case, vs. always putting them back in the case when you only used 5%. For example with AirPod Pro 2s, the claimed listening time is 30 hours, but you only get 15-20 hours when discharging to 70-80% then putting them back into the case. You can only achieve that 30 hours (in ideal conditions) when fully draining the earbuds then putting back in the case. Similar “gates” can be experienced for those who try to top off their devices with an external power bank by always charging with a device always >70% (of course horrible for Li-Ion as many tests have shown)

[@pjkaup]

Just spend 4 days in the Enchantments with an iPhone running iOS 18 and can attest it’s dead simple and works very well. As a casual 2-3 times a year backpacker, this is an amazing feature to add at zero cost.

[@its_jjk]

Zero cost until the free service ends. Apple hasn't released the pay scheme yet for when that happens

[@justjonoutdoors]

I left mine (inReach mini) on the roof of my truck once - I was able to go back and find where it flew off - in a stretch of road where I would have been moving 35+mph - it had one little ding in the rubber around the antenna, and never missed a beat. It’s still in service getting used every time I venture out today…

[@Hikingguy]

Ha I've done the same thing before, little scuff on the rubber and that was it

[@ryana9783]

This new iPhone feature will no doubt get a lot of regular people out of trouble and will definitely save some lives. Having said that, I think any outdoorsperson will be better served with a dedicated device like an InReach.

[@simplystavish]

I'm old school and agree with you on that.

[@albino_panda1363]

Chris, videos like this are the reason you’re the only person on KZbin I’ve ever donated to. Been debating getting a In reach but also have an aging iPhone. You’ve made my decision easier. Thanks for keeping up the great work!

[@Hikingguy]

Thank you so much, really appreciate the support!

[@tomphillips3162]

I know women who use the Inreach as a backup security device to safe guard against sex predators. He will take the phone but is unaware of the Inreach pinging location and sending an SOS. One doesn’t necessarily cancel the other they can both be life savers. Even experienced hikers like Homemade Wanderlust is alive because of a rescue triggered by the Inreach. Excellent video, didn’t know the new IPhone could do so much.

[@franciscoeleodoro]

Thanks for sharing this. I will let all my girl friends know this.

[@RandallPaquette]

I have had my 67i for about a year now. I was stuck near Brevard NC the last week with no cell service or power or ability to get out. While there is a monthy cost they are worth their weight in gold when the stuff hits the fan. I am glad that others will have this ability with phones in the future but I will stick with my garmin. Battery life is super great.

[@davisbest]

Nice on the recommendations with that Garmin plan. Honestly, all casual hiking in most local areas would be covered by an iPhone no problem. Iphone has worked great. However I agree, multiple day or remote hiking where you need mapping and safety, definitely Garmin. One extra note, I use the Footpath app or Google maps and download the area ahead of time, does allow for GPS tracking on a map without phone coverage. Got me out of a sticky situation in the Sierra's once.

[@spartyhikerfromme5492]

I agree 100% with analysis and recommendations. I will be using the 67i/iPhone combo. You can save a little bit of money on Garmin sub by reducing frequency of trackpoints.

[@HikingWithShawn]

I'm due for an iPhone upgrade. I'm on the 12 Max Pro now. When I upgrade, I just get whatever is best and use it until it quits working. To be honest, I think I'd stick with the iPhone. As you said, a good case and a battery pack to keep it charged can be perfect for this. Your video motivates me to upgrade :)

[@JoaquinChea]

I ride a motorcycle solo often, cross country, off trail, camp and hike occasionally I carry my InReach mini 2 for keeping in touch my family and I like the tracking feature too. In an emergency, there’s no substitute for redundancy in my opinion, so it’s comforting to know I have two options should I need it.

[@AlexHoward]

I'm a fairly casual hiker quickly approaching 50 so I've been a little paranoid about an injury or something when I'm in the national forests. I got the Motorola Defy last year when it was on sale at Costco and have used that a couple of times. I think my new iPhone 16 will be good enough for me for the kind of 2-to-3 night treks I make. I think this will really pressure Garmin and others to reduce prices (seems like it already has for Garmin) and/or provide more services and features. As this becomes more common in phones, I could see someone like Garmin just offering their app and a subscription for OTT service that leverages the built in satellite capabilities once the manufacturers offer API access to use it.

[@pmm1044]

For thru hiking weather reports are very helpful

[@BagsPackedFamily]

Thanks for the great comparison. It’s perfectly timed as my family has recently relocated back to Alaska, and we are trying to decide what to do for locator beacons. If I had to guess, I’d say my wife and I will both upgrade to iPhone 15s-hopefully that saves a little money now that the 16s are out. We pair them with an inReach Mini 2.

[@Southwest_Trailblazers]

I used the satellite feature this past weekend on the North Rim. The recipients even stated they knew the sat was involved.

[@ruddyman]

My experience in the North Cascades was not as positive. You might have a clear view of the sky but if the satellite is over a ridge you can’t connect. My inreach messenger sent messages from the same location while in my pocket. The other thing to consider is how the iPhone battery will suffer if you are waiting for satellites or waiting to send. Especially in heat.

[@greatfallskam]

I've been using InReach type devices and service since 2016. I did receive notification that Garmin was simplifying plans to three plans. But, increasing pricing. My $11 / month Safety plan is not $15/month. I am still going to keep my Garmin Mini 2 and use a plan with it for two way messaging. I just think the Garmin device is more rugged, much wider worldwide coverage, and reliable. I am also afraid at some point iPhone will start charging to messaging. Great video. Very timely.

[@sdcoinshooter]

This is a game changer. I used to carry my IPhone with me on my day hikes, in case I needed help. I also carried my Inreach, in case I was out of cell range. Now, I can leave the inreach at home.

[@danscoular]

I’m a big fan of inReach. It’s very battery-efficient compared to a smartphone. My daughter has been mountaineering in Norway this week, and it’s been really useful to see her track, and receive her check-ins. From my own mountaineering/MR perspective, I like the fact that an inReach is very robust. If I’m going to have a lifeline, I want it to be flipping sturdy! Also, because I’m lazy, I love being able to send preset messages from my watch to inReach.

[@lianalehua7424]

Thank you for another great review. I like the idea of keeping my 67i as well and activating the Enable plan. Having breadcrumb tracking gives my loved ones peace of mind. That’s worth it, in addition to having a backup SOS device by carrying this with my iPhone 16.

[@tailgunnerhikes4703]

I have an Inreach Explorer and an iPhone 8. I do 2 or 3 week long backpack trips per year. My issues are battery life and tracking (besides the required upgrade). Sometimes I am solo so tracking is an absolute requirement (per family!) InReach battery will last 5 days with tracking on. I also just got a GoPro. Potentially now, the iPhone doesn't have to come, especially if fording river involved. And I really like your comment "If you lying in a ditch, which device do you want?"

[@scalp22]

The recent pricing changes on the Garmin inReach plans (especially here in Canada) convinced me to sell my inReach messenger and get an iPhone 16 pro. I would normally use the inReach only 2, 3 or 4 months a year and it’s now just too expensive compared to the SOS and messages of the iPhone.

[@banshee107]

Same deal, plus the annual subscription. Unless Garmin dropped the subscription prices to zero, I won’t go back.

[@jordanbrookes5826]

Also leaving Garmin - the price increases were outrageous.

[@obikedog]

I like the recommendation. I have a new messenger I got on sale (right before the new one announced!) I love it for fall hikes with the dog in wilderness areas and sharing tracks of endurance gravel [bike] racing. But I have found don't need the full time, unlimited breadcrumbs of the "recreation/$35" plan if my phone now has this ability. Thanks for calling out the cheaper plan. I would never have found it without knowing to look! It took me a while to realize the "Enabled" plan is available under it's own category on the "Change your plan" page along with "New Plans" and "Old Plans". Instead of just making the change on next billing cycle I found it nice of Garmin to make the change immediate and refund the difference between the new and the current plan - which had just renewed.

[@anthonyalpocetti5152]

Terrific news! Thank you for the comprehensive review!

[@quranmoamin6438]

You’ve earned a subscriber, this video had everything I was looking for.

[@justinpatrick4186]

Thanks, that was a great breakdown. One of your best videos and they are all great!

[@Hikingguy]

Appreciate that - thank you!

[@eatthepi]

Good and fair comparison. Your first inReach, the DeLorme inReach SE used to be my favorite, but now I think Garmin Mini 2 is the best -- like you said, the button are laid out really well for fast navigation around the UI with one hand. Are we expecting a Messenger Plus review soon? Don't rush, but looking forward to it ;)

[@Hikingguy]

Thank you and yes, working on the Messenger Plus review now - my normal stomping grounds for testing are closed from the fires so working the plan B

[@renotimberwolf2139]

Thank you for the information.. I just changed to "Enabled" plan from what I thought was the least expensive plane. I just need the SOS function. Great Video.

[@LvX2002]

Hi, where did you find that option?

[@Kevimoto]

I like the redundancy of having a separate satellite communicator. As mentioned, they're more rugged, very water resistant, very long battery life and don't require a screen to call for help. Even if I had a cell phone with satellite capability, I'd still have a standalone sat comm. I use a Zoleo. 👌

[@Akbar_Friendly_in_Cherno]

Amazing how many people approach this as if you can ONLY have one device. For the minimal cost I have an inReach Mini 2, a ResQlink+ and a Pixel 9 Pro XL (also does satellite SOS)

[@mesilla4298]

@@Akbar_Friendly_in_Cherno I have an old ResQLink+ and the inReach mini. The ResQ is past its battery life and given the cost of replacing the battery I plan on putting that money towards the iPhone.

[@Akbar_Friendly_in_Cherno]

@@mesilla4298 I paid $20 for a replacement battery. Swapping it out myself. Takes about 10 minutes.

[@erjgnerkjgkjewrngjew]

the real cost is the garmin service plane

[@Akbar_Friendly_in_Cherno]

@@mesilla4298 I replaced my ResQLink+ battery for $20

[@MikeRyder-ml2mb]

Since I have an older iphone, So for now I'm going to keep my inReach Mini 2 with the $20 something plan that sends tracking every 10 min. Gives me peace of mind knowing I can quickly be found if something happens. Works with my Garmin Epix Pro watch as well in case I get separated from my pack and need to initiate a SOS. I hike all year, so not sure I'd turn the plan down/off.

[@ChuckGC59]

Cris, great video. I have the iPhone 12 and even if I had the 14 I'd stick with the InReach Mini. I've been an InReach user for many years and even had the Gen 1 (black brick) Delorme InReach. Again, great video and content!

[@thomasmcnabb6472]

Second this - Chris - all the information presented very easily. This makes the decision easy, and helps give understanding of the strengths of each option. As an inreach mini user I will keep paying the monthly subscription - thanks to this video I understand why.

[@Hikingguy]

Big thank you appreciate that

[@Hikingguy]

Thanks so much Chuck, appreciate that

[@jims408]

Really good video. I too plan to move my inReach plan from my current plan ("Annual Contract Safety") to "Enabled". Main goal for me is the SOS coverage w/ Garmin's SAR insurance. I rarely do the breadcrumb thing but I should start doing that. $0.60/hr is a fair deal IMO.

[@ThanksForTheLaugh]

I get outdoors to disconnect not maintain my normal texting behavior. Occasional I’m ok and breadcrumbs. I’m switching also to enabled.

[@americansafarico]

Fantastic analysis

[@RobertHouben]

I take kids and teens (scouts) to backcountry from time to time. The Garmin's ruggedness and reliability are critical for us at this time. For personal use, I'm considering the iPhone option. Thank you for these reviews. They are very helpful!

[@girv]

I have a new iPhone 16Pro and tried the satellite communication. Works fine, but requires that you're mobile and/or conscious. Having the breadcrumbs and live tracking is still important, especially in the mountains where the woods can be thick (I find the iPhone GPS can be iffy there) as well as in the valleys that are typical in ascents and descents, my inReach 67i has been 100% reliable. I haven't had a chance to try the iPhone messaging in the woods but I'm thinking it might be a challenge as well. So inReach is the ticket for me. I did downgrade to the Enable Plan with thanks! :) Great content and insights as always!

[@reneeslembarski]

Very helpful review/analysis, thank you! For now I’m keeping my InReach mini2 for hiking/backpacking and will move to the $7.99 plan. I’ve got an iphone14 so will be interested to see what happens with the sat cost after another year.

[@jimfromoregonusa9899]

Great stuff....thank you...I carry both iPhone 15Pro and the original InReach mini....

[@aw7425]

Excellent info, we carry both. We will look at that plan you’re going to use. Thank you Take care and stay safe

[@danc.732]

I'm a fairly serious hiker but only really get to visit wilderness once a year when I make a trip out west. I've rented inReach devices before, but I'm going to stick with my new iPhone. It does everything I want and won't sit unused on a shelf 11 months of the year.

[@ExpeditionHoneymoon]

Thanks! This was interesting. Was looking into options for InReach end of summer to have with me on a mountaineering tour, but in Austria they invested heavily on cell coverage in the mountains, so 5G was available nearly everywhere. Now upgraded my iPhone to have future satellite messages too. When I go on bigger trips in more remote area's I would also upgrade my Garmin gpsmap to the 67i to have the same setup like you are going with. Just to have the most robust GPS and satellite device for the given situation.

[@58shortboard]

Thank you so much. You are my go to, for all things hiking. So, many fantastic suggestions and so detailed. Love it! I’ve learned a lot on what to expect, while hiking certain trails like Baldy. I was considering the inreach mini 2, but was waiting on the generation model. Thanks again

[@Hikingguy]

Awesome, thank you so much

[@e_v_a_l_ca]

Keeping my ZOLEO for now but I’ve been trying the Messages over satellite on my iPhone 15pro here in Canada. Service is still spotty so keeping a backup

[@trailslug893]

I'm right there with you. I'm going for the $8 plan as I take my phone with me to use Gaia so I'll have a free messenger if it works. Going to test it out this weekend as it's our first sub 90° day since last June. Thanks for the heads up on that plan.

[@elywalton7147]

I think I will keep my Garmin Inreach 2: (1) I get messages from home without having to do anything special... (2) Works easily without having to "find" a satellite (tough if injured)... (3) Battery life... (4) I just like the seamless text interface with my iPhone (I don't even have to touch the Inreach...) Just sayin' 😎

[@wubanizer]

@@elywalton7147 i didn't know you could text on inreach through your phone! Is it just a Garmin app you use? (I have the in reach mini)

[@HUGH_JHANIS]

@elywalton7147 mine is arriving today I'm excited.. finally I pulled the trigger, dosnt seem like there's any regrets floating around out there.. .

[@gtpits]

Don’t forget that the proper PLB transmits on 121.5 mhz (seperate to the satellite) so aircraft and ground crews can use direction finding equipment to find your exact location (gps locations contain error which can be significant depending on view to sky). The Garmin/s and phones do not have the 121.5 mhz capability. In mountainous or thick terrain it makes a big difference especially if you are alone…

[@EfficientRVer]

There is no way that a fixed wing aircraft using direction finding to a PLB is as accurate as GPS in 2024. And if you're talking about a helicopter, they will find either with no problem. A PLB has its advantages, but accuracy is not one of them, unless you contrive a terrain/cover scenario similar to a Faraday cage.

[@OtisFlint]

I have a couple of GPS receivers that are accurate within inches.

[@heiser_bill]

Thanks for staying on top of this evolving situation, and your detailed reports. I've been holding off upgrading my InReach Explorer (to Mini 2) in case they upgrade to a Mini 3 (thought it might be imminent, but since their sale only lasted a couple weeks, maybe not). But also I've been waiting to see what happens with the iPhone. At this point I think I should upgrade to the Mini 2, downgrade to the "enabled" plan you mentioned, and use the iPhone for anything non-emergency. As you mentioned, redundancy is good, especially for emergencies. I also do amateur radio, and GMRS, so I usually bring handheld radios with me too. When going solo one can never have too much redundancy (too many stories in the news of solo hikers being found deceased).

[@Rob801]

I bought the in reach mini last year. Also have an iPhone 15 and AW ultra. I will also be keeping the mini on the basic plan (plan I have anyway) and send messages with my phone like was mentioned. For the price of one Big Mac per month more or less its well worth the redundancy.

[@harveypaxton1232]

A few weeks ago when Verizon was down for a day my 15pro switched over to sat. I wasn’t aware that was an option.

[@marcericdavis]

Thanks for the thoughts. Very helpful.

[@dandomancich6097]

It sounds like I'm keeping my InReach for now. I do think phone communications are going to get better and better, so InReach should continue to improve its pricing and services.

[@americansafarico]

Just fantastic info and analysis

[@twloughlin]

Thanks Chris. I have the 67i and a Pixel 7, so I will have to wait and see what shakes out with Android before making any decision.

[@jatorresrv]

Great info! Thanks for sharing.

[@alexstoermer]

For me, upgrading to an iPhone with sat comms and using OnX with offline maps, then adding a small PLB to provide a redundant emergency satellite rescue request option sounds like a good plan. Then my older Garmin Rino GPS ads redundant GPS mapping, and a radio as 3rd comms option. The phone of course I’d be carrying anyway, the small PLB doesn’t add much and you just accept the size of the Garmin Rino as worth it for a really strong overall safety package. Only gap I can think of here is no satellite weather updates…

[@BradAnkenman]

Definitely keeping my inreach subscription. International travel and redundancy for peace of mind. Great video!

[@HuskyMike]

Over the weekend, I had the chance to use the satellite messaging from my iPhone 15 Pro while backpacking in the Sierras. Worked well and, overall, I was happy, but I don't think I'll set my Explorer+ aside. One thing I didn't see mentioned in this video is that you cannot be in Airplane Mode for satellite messaging to work. I have always turned airplane mode on when not in cellular range to save battery. Not a huge issue to switch back, but just another step. Another thing (which you mentioned) is you have to be manually connected to a satellite for this to work. Using my InReach, I can open Earthmate and send a message, close the phone and keep walking or setting up my tent etc. The message will eventually be sent and any replies will be received automatically. No need to hold a device toward a satellite. Lastly, (which I think you covered) it didn't appear I would get a text from someone unless it was during an active conversation. Just connecting to a satellite does not receive a previously sent text from someone. (correct me if I'm wrong).

[@jaredp19]

From what you said - the iphone - as long as you can connect via sattelite can send basic texts and not just a basic SOS message? As in if you just want to update someone on your progress and let them know you’re safe you can do that from the iphone without paying? Thanks!

[@lancairdriver]

i sold my inreach mini the moment iphone had satellite sos. so glad to be rid of those confusing and expensive plans. i still use a garmin fenix while long distance hiking, apple watch battery life nowhere near as good.

[@ocean1573]

Thank you for this review. I have had my inreach explorer for years. I think thy are very reliable and perfect for the outdoors. I will keep my garmin and switch to the enable plan. Thank you agan.

[@BrawndoDrinker]

With the new continuous costs for Inreach plans, this might be the way to go for those of us that only use our devices occasionally.

[@jerrykrautenstaben6584]

I'm an android guy so keeping the inreach for now. Works great for my week long fishing trips away from cell service.

[@ThanksForTheLaugh]

The Preppers motto, two is one, one is none. So having two methods of rescue and save your life seems reasonable. Unless you’re an Android person having iPhone with free Satellite coverage and an inreach doesn’t cost more than Inreach alone. The automatic crash and fall detection with Apple Watch on iPhone covers you in all situations, in everyday life and in the boonies.

[@TheNodeChannel]

Android does have its satellite equivalent. Pixel 9 has the capability with its modem, and the Pixel 8 / 7 will get a software update to receive this.

[@Just4Gordon]

Staying StateSide & using it for emergencies only-Having ONE LESS device to buy is exceptional!

[@ibertshanka]

Redundancy is key👌🏾

[@paulramsey2000]

Keeping my InReach Mini. I really like having the bread crumb capability. I use it every weekend when hiking and it makes the people who worry about me more comfortable knowing they can check on my progress without having to actually bother me on my solo hikes. I also feel more confident that it will show my location in the unlikely case that I'm dead or unconscious (I'd hate to see too much resource spent finding my body. Too bad there can't be a "yep, dead, don't waste your time" status). I've never actually had reason to send a text message through satellite yet other than testing.

[@corbinb3992]

We use inreach in the ocean for its water resistance. Phones aren't even considered life-saving devices when the closet land is straight down. Having starlink now has changed the game for offshore communications, but starlink doesn't do any good on the bottom of the ocean.

[@BrentCooper8]

Very tempted to cancel my Garmin subscription. I mainly have it for the SOS purpose and battery life. I bring my phone with me for photos anyways so I always have a battery bank. I just wish it wasn’t $7/month for the Garmin emergency plan. I’d definitely keep it for less than $50/year. But for what it costs now, plus the SAR insurance, not sure if it’s worth it or not.

[@BarakTheWonderer]

I am an international traveller and hiker/trekker. I have for some years carried a Garmin Mini 1 & a PLB for redundancy. Works for me. For the PLB though, it's a drag when you have to send it out to change the battery (usually at 5 years), it's nearly as much to send it out to an company approved lab and get it returned as to buy a new one. For convenience sake, and the hope of improvements, I'll probably be buying a new one this year.

[@spyboy_]

I was in Greenland last week and wanted to test the satellite messaging on my iPhone 15 Pro Max, only to find out "this service is not available in this location". Granted that wasn't SOS, but actual messaging, but I'd still go with a Garmin inReach, because it's a dedicated device, and adds redundancy incase the iPhone doesn't work.

[@martialartsfitness4u91]

Thank you for all the info 🙏

[@GadgetNerdvana]

I gave this a try last weekend on a solo car camping trip. All I need to do is tell my wife where I wound up (on a map), and reach out if I have any emergencies. Currently use a Zoleo (much easier and more reliable than Delorme/Garmin). The Delorme was very good...until Garmin bought them. Went downhill quickly. In any case, after standing around aiming my iPhone at the sky for several minutes and figuring out that the only satellite Apple could find was behind the trees, I found that Apple is nowhere close to replacing a dedicated satellite messaging service. I'm not hiking several hundred yards from my campsite to send/check for messages. If I were hurt, or couldn't move/walk, what then Apple? I'd bet that in one or two years, the Apple satellite system will be awesome. It will probably also be very expensive to use/subscribe. Will be interesting to see how this shakes out.

[@anandrew6641]

Yup, everything with Apple ends up costing a lot. I do hope that the competition pushes Garmin to lower prices, on their devices and messaging plans, especially once Android goes live too.

[@2AToday]

The case shown at 4:01 is not a Defender Pro XT. What is the brand and model of case shown at that time in the video? (neon yellow)

[@stevek4449]

Ease of use idea, use Garmin messenger app paired to Garmin 67i and iPhone screen keyboard can compose faster and read easier through iPhone that is Bluetooth paired to Garmin. Basically iPhone UI with Garmin 67i.

[@EarthSurfer]

I have been comparing my iPhone 16 versus my ancient Delorme inReach Explorer with acceptable results. I would like to see how these function under thick clouds and snowy weather. (The only significant scenario in my 10 yrs of having an inReach.) I’ll be testing the iPhone as a primary SatComms device this fall with trips into southern Utah canyons and Colorado ski huts. Also, I’m often appending my lat/lon to messages since Apple Find My support is so damned funky. ps: Definitely enjoying the phone upgrade from a 6 yr old iPhone X.

[@kevinjones7503]

One thing you didn’t mentioned was the Garmin SAR insurance. Being practical, I could save you many thousands of dollars. I know, from experience, that SAR can be free, but it can also cost 10’s of thousands. Are there any alternatives to the Garmin insurance plan? One way I’m thinking about it. Is it the monthly Garmin subscription is just part of the insurance policy.

[@Hikingguy]

👍🏻 You can get insurance through third parties like American Alpine Club - will have more on insurance in the near future. Things are changing, even compared to last year.

[@yangeng5222]

how about combine power bank and satellite device? No matter what kind of satellite device you have, you have to bring power bank nowadays .

[@anthonyrampino7734]

Very informative, thanks!

[@tracywiedeman3991]

Just got the InReach! Keeping :)

[@richardburguillos3118]

Thanks for the update / information. I just need to teach my wife how to use the iPhones satellite feature. I like you idea of the low coat plan. Now I have to figure out how to choose it. The one question I have is about the Garmin SAR 100 insurance. If I were to make the SOS connection using an Apple Phone, would the Garmin SAR 100 still be available or I'd have to make the SOS contact using a Garmin device? If Garmin's SAR 100 insurance is NOT usable via a phone SOS contact, then what would be the plan to help mitigate the high cost of an Air Ambulance ride as I'm sure medical insurance will have a high deductible on such an ambulance ride.

[@Hikingguy]

Garmin SAR insurance only works with devices going to Garmin Response, which the iPhone does not. The American Alpine Club has standalone insurance and I've heard through the grapevine that there will be other 3rd party options by the end of the year.

[@DJHaloM3]

Just used an iPhone for a week out in the Eastern Sierras, while I had the Garmin on me (switched to a basic plan), I never turned it on. The iPhone's satellite capabilities were impressive, once you get used to the little game of "point at the satellite and stay still", it works well and battery drain on the phone was next to nothing. The only thing I don't like is that people on the receiving end of a satellite text message apparently can't always text BACK to you, people I was messaging who were on older versions of IOS couldn't even respond back. That's a problem as you don't know while out there that people are trying to respond but can't. Garmin doesn't have this problem so despite their new plans being quite suspect, that's the one thing they have up on the iPhone. Garmin's time at the top is limited unless they rethink these new plan structures.

[@Hikingguy]

Thanks for sharing that, helpful and appreciated.

[@DJHaloM3]

@@Hikingguy No problem! Another minor inconvenience was that when you want to check if you received any messages, you have to stop and try to reconnect to a satellite. My phone always was in airplane mode if I wasn't messaging, so the process would be to get out of airplane, let the phone figure out it was in satellite mode, switch to messaging and choose 'connect to satellite', and spin around as the phone directs you to a satellite, then connect and hold a minute to see if any new messages arrived. The Garmin? You just wear it, a message arrives and you get an alert. Much more convenient if you're expecting an incoming message.

[@JimGerHikes]

Hanging on to my mini until the tech develops a bit more but encouraging to see changes coming to this space

[@peterkunka2694]

I have the iPhone 13 Pro Max and the inReach mini, so I'm staying with the mini until I eventually upgrade to a satellite capable iPhone model. I did find the pricing interesting and will review my Garmin subscription to see if I can make any changes there. Cheers! Pete in Arizona - KI7LIL

[@peterkunka2694]

Well, that didn't take long... I'm going to keep my $25/month subscription.... because, I mostly use the mini while RV'ing on week long vacations. Comparison: $7.99/month + $6/day ($0.60 per hour x 10 hours) surpasses $25/month in just three days traveling. A 7 day trip would add up to $50. Plus, my $25 subscription gives me about 40 free satellite text messages (which I use occasionally when out of cell range). So, to each their own, it's worth looking at everything from all angles to make the best decisions for yourselves. Thanks again! Pete

[@Captndarty]

I wonder if this would work in Aircraft outside of cell service? Maybe there will be a GPS antenna you can plug in with the suction cup to give you better connection.

[@daviddemand6856]

My iPhone satellite messaging experience was much greater than the Garmin Mini2 experience. I don’t leave the U.S., so coverage is not an issue. The main benefit of the Garmin is the near instant SOS activation in an emergency. I couldn’t imagine going through the SOS in a rea emergency on the iPhone.

[@MikelManitius]

I’m glad to see that Garmin finally lowered their prices. I’m never used a full 10 messages a month. So keeping Garmin, going to the Enabled plan. iPhone limitations on battery life, durability and limited coverage as you point out.

[@v5745]

Just curious, I've watched all your previous videos and it seems you clearly prefer Garmin Fenix than AWU. I see AWU on your wrist, what do you use it for then? Rgds 😀

[@Hikingguy]

I switch to test different functions. Right now testing the training load / vitality on iOS.

[@v5745]

@@Hikingguy I tried to switch many times, but from biker and hiker perspective, Apple Watch is light years from Garmins; battery is not the main issue

[@mandytuning]

Ham radio,j pole roll off antenna and pixel9 pro xl that also have satellite.

[@BrettReid-d9b]

It's disappointing we cannot do satellite messaging with iPhones in Australia it's only sos message's! must be under lining issues with our government regulations or deals with Garmin down in Australia...

[@KeithRobertson57]

The battery on the PLB-1 is replaceable after 7 years. We’ve done ours once so far. I choose not to use InReach. Might get a newer iPhone 16 Pro for the camera and the Satellite coms. We mainly exped in NW Scotland and mobile coverage in the wilderness is poor. Not that we need coms really, only web weather forecast from time to time. iPhone camera, otterbox and small magsafe battery can mean I can ditch the waterproof camera (and batteries) (used mostly sea-kayaking on week long, or longer trips) ‘We climb the mountain to see the world, not so the world can see us’

[@martialartsfitness4u91]

Thank you 🙏🙏🙏

[@karlnowakowski7866]

One point to note, I have an iPhone 6 pro (since Friday) and I had a motorcycle crash (low sided the bike) and crash detection didn’t work. I had heard that from rival company’s that build system for motorcycles but I wasn’t sure it was accurate.

[@banshee107]

I just cancelled my inreach subscription. Got to try and sell it now.

[@elyselapalme7040]

I thought of buying an inreach, but it gets way too expensive if you don't use it all year long. To me the iPhone seems like a good option.

[@kevinwaterman1]

I am going to ditch my Garmin Inreach subscription. I will use Apple 15 pro max and PLB. I always carry extra power to charge my iphone and other devices already.

[@timg4800]

Otterbox? Get a UAG case instead. Better protection with less bulk.

[@ShawnDienhart]

My new Pixel 9 Pro has the sat SOS/messenger capability. Still, I'm keeping my inreach for now so I don't end up in that ditch wishing I had paid the monthly inreach fee.

[@wolfeadventures]

Very informative. 👌🏼👌🏼