IPS ... Gaming Monitors !??!

Some of Y'all were a little salty with our Acer Predator Video and what Wendell said about IPS Monitors... So this one is for you!
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[@greganor25]

This video was incredibly accessible and simultaneously detailed for someone not familiar with panel tech. Good job Wendell!

[@JacobRosenegger]

That thumbnail of Wendell will forever haunt my dreams...

[@bitflips]

yeah.... I understand algorithm and whatnot.. but damn....

[@dakoderii4221]

Probably will become a meme template 🤔

[@Erumachi]

😆 I'm here because of that face

[@Primus.711]

So creepy and weird

[@simpson6700]

the 1ms response times has been grey to grey response time for ages, companies have used this marketing garbage for a long time now.

[@MrRoko91]

Most cases, even in TN panels, it's 1ms with ridiculous overdrive setting which makes something like 60%+ inverse ghosting or worse... unuseable and I can almost consider it false advertising but hey "everyone is doing it so it's cool" 😅

[@terraincognitagaming]

1ms is "MPRT"

[@MrRoko91]

@@terraincognitagaming Most actually advertise GtG response time but like I said it's not true 1ms given the fact the fastest overdrive mode is unusable and that's the only mode which can come close to this claims - basically they only put this useless mode there to advertise 1ms for the ignorant masses.

[@forestR1]

@@terraincognitagaming it's up to the manufacturer weather they want to specify G2G or MPRT in their advertising. traditionally it is g2g but some manufacturers use MPRT because there's no rule that says they can't. - but in both cases Rosen is correct; those times are only achieved through an overdrive setting that utterly unusable for the user and ONLY included to be able to turn it on and measure a "1ms" response time so they can market it as 1ms.

[@Kazyek]

@@MrRoko91 And also, it's "our fastest transition GtG at highest overdrive mode reach 1ms" regardless of if 99% of the other transitions are way below that mark

[@JonathanExley]

It's Hayabusa, not Habayusa. 😂 Hayabusa is Japanese for Peregrine Falcon.

[@Sunlight91]

1ms response is for gray to gray transitions (e.g. a brightness change from 180 to 200) and not from black to white (0 to 255). These 1ms times also need an overdrive setting which cause overshoot... Hardware Unboxed monitor reviews are very detailed in this regard.

[@natemevec9692]

While this is true, I never liked G2G response times as the advertised metric, I'd much rather be told black to white as that's what the ultimate response time is. If you can do 1ms black to white then you clearly will do faster than that in G2G. Would just mean the consumer market needs to learn what is accepted as "fast" response times for black to white. This video was a really cool look at what panels generally give the fastest raw response time.

[@TehJumpingJawa]

Precisely what I was going to say; you can't judge monitor performance with only a single metric, utilizing only a single benchmark. The rule of thumb for today still holds true; modern high refresh rate IPS-like displays offer the best compromise between refresh rate, viewing angles, colour accuracy, brightness, and price.

[@WilliamPayneNZ]

Overshoot is hilarious. I really advice against overshoot if you care about minimising ghosting.

[@Lishtenbird]

After HU's verbose graphs, seeing uncontrolled footage of a single specific test scenario on a fairly low selection of samples to disprove some general point feels like borderline misinformation.

[@Bannockburn111]

@@Lishtenbird Seriously? More accurate information is "borderline misinformation"? Tim's (Hardware Unboxed) analyses are the best you can find on KZbin, but the fact is, his philosophy is to accept things more or less as the industry exists today; he'll call a monitor that is only capable of displaying 80% of its claimed refresh rate "good". In my book, that's a "failed at least 20% of the time" monitor. I have a very nice monitor running at 160Hz (LG38GN950); it's a great display compared to most I've owned in the last decade. But the picture STILL lags behind the Sony GDM-FW900 I had before I decided to go with larger displays. I ran it at 85Hz - and it still produced a smoother image than my 160 Hz IPS panel. Wendell's analysis here tells us WHY. While the best CRT's made in the early 2000's weren't perfect, they were far better than the LCDs that replaced them in many ways, and still are. Tim's data is fantastic information for choosing between LCD displays, but the whole LCD class of picture is only a step forward from CRT in cost, display size, and potential impact on the environment (I shudder to think what a 38" CRT would cost, and weigh!) - otherwise, well, we simply can't judge them by standards that existed a generation ago, or they'd look like failures.

[@SurvivorNVL]

Man that Thumbnail is insanely cursed. I love it.

[@MickeyMishra]

You know what really surprised me? Seeing Burn in on LCD displays at Airports. I thought this was LONG gone when the CRT went out of favor. what's funny or still and something that's quite unbelievable is that a mechanical display would actually be far more reliable than some of the digital displays or at least not experienced something like screen burn-in. most of these times at airports and especially at bus stations are usually very rarely updated and therefore a mechanical this place sure seems to be a much better Avenue or something like this but they keep using these digital LCD screens that suffer horrible burn in after just about a year. let alone all the locations that have these so-called digital displays where none of them ever seem to be in working order. Your fast food joint for example. as odd as this may seem it has to be someone surreal realizing that some of the display Technologies we had in the very beginning would still work hundreds of years later.

[@AlphaPsionic]

What an insanely good multi-faceted review!! Awesome job dude!

[@joeybuddy96]

Thanks for this explanation. A lot of information compacted into it. Will probably have to rewatch it a few times for it to sink in.

[@1njustice]

Very informative, thanks for the upload! Do you have a similar type video explaining BFI technology and how that can improve perceived motion clarity?

[@Jessassin]

This is one of the most well-explained videos on this topic I have ever seen. I've tried explaining to several people that some 120hz monitors are still better than other 144/240/360hz monitors, but I have had a really hard time expressing _why_ You just did it perfectly, thanks so much for that!

[@whitekrow538]

this video popped up in my recommended, well done algorithm I love pc monitor deep diving, I've been using a Dell 1080p lcd panel from c.2015 and have never had any issue with frame bleeding at 60 fps vsync compared to my secondary acer ips w/e for yootoobz and whatnot that took a few weeks to burn in and produce a clean enough image for videos etc. So I guess my question is why do ips take a noticeable amount of time to settle into being decent panels as opposed to the initial tft-esque image ghosting that appears for the initial 40 hrs or so of regular usage?

[@KickF]

Oh I have tried to explain some of these kinda things to people, but this video explains it soooo good, this video gets bookmarked and added favorites, and when I have these kinda discussions again I`ll direct them to this video :D

[@xindrum1]

This video was awesome and I learned a lot. Please do more of this panel stuff!

[@SpirallingOut]

Great video. It would be very interesting, if you can get your hands on the new Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 monitor after release ( just announced at CES), to compare whatever their "claimed" response time will be vs the actual panel's display response. I'm going to "grain of salt" every response time listed by the manufacturer/retailers for a monitor, from now on.

[@QuantumConundrum]

Hardware Unboxed addresses this in a number of ways, but I am a fan of the cumulative deviations they introduced. In a single number in captures overshoot and undershoot and shows the real response performance once you can wrap your head around it.

[@riba2233]

This

[@kelownatechkid]

Completely agree

[@goblinphreak2132]

Disagree. Hardware Unboxed should just do 0-100 testing. But they dont want to do the work or piss off monitor brands. LG already cried wolf because they switched from 10-90 to 3-97 and they had to calm LG down. Imagine the backlash if they test 0-100.... They cant lose their free merchandise via reviews (they mostly get to keep the gear they test).

[@riba2233]

@@goblinphreak2132 nope, 0-100 is useless because 3-97 is more representative of human vision. 0-100 would be purely academic but utterly useless

[@goblinphreak2132]

@@riba2233 lmao thats why in this video he proves slow pixel response equals multiple squares lighting up. But naw its totally okay to misrepresent data because of a lame excuse like "human eye" lmao. You remind me of the kids who said 120hz was a gimmick because the "human eye can't see it" when in reality, we can. When gaming, especially FPS games, you will 100% GAIN motion blur (which is bad) from slow pixel response even though you have high refresh rate. I can literally setup an in person test showing you 120hz OLED with and without BFI enabled vs a 360hz monitor, and the OLED will shit on the 360hz in terms of motion clarity. Hell my viewsonic at 120hz with BFI enabled looks better than 240hz and 360hz native monitors. Because the pixel response actually fits in the 120hz window aka 8.33ms. meanwhile 240hz and 360hz displays cant reach their per refresh cycle goals. (4.16ms for 240hz and 2.77ms for 360hz). The "god tier" 360hz display, which doesnt exist, would need to literally have a full 0-100 pixel time of 2.77ms or faster (1.5ms, 1ms, 0.5ms) in order to retain high motion clarity. Those 360hz monitors have a low (fastest) time of about 4ms and high (slowest) of about 13ms when looking at proper 0-100 times. I understand you want to suck the teat of hardware unboxed but their testing is flawed. Nothing in life is measured in 10-90 or 3-97 timings. You dont run a mile and then cut out 20% or 6% of your time and brag about how fast you are. The only time in electronic engineering 10-90 is used is for QUICK diagnosis only. As you can have reported "expected" 10-90 times and then "actual" 10-90 times to compare. So you can quicky find an issue. (Same goes for car electrical systems). In reality, and for review purposes, 10-90 and 3-97 is misleading customers into buying shit products. And people wonder why we still dont have new display technologies. Because misinformed customers will keep buying shit products thinking they are good. Hardware Unboxed is doing potential customers a service by lying. Level1techs cant say that, because they arent trying to start a youtube war between channels. But i can. And i have.

[@SuvinRK]

Still in the process of understanding monitors, thanks for the video!

[@user-dn5bx2iu3e]

Thank you for having the cam to prove it I'll be sending you lots of viewers, they might be angry but they need to hear it. !10/10

[@andrekz9138]

Awesome video! Thank you for popping my bubble!

[@TicksTricks]

Great video, i would love to see hot the new Samsung QD-LED stacks up that released today

[@jamescampbell8482]

If TN LCDs had HDR 1000 FALD backlights that were tuned for backlight strobing, it would give the LCDs a nicer image where those slower pixel transition times could be hidden in the darkness between refreshes. I want to see some blue phase LCDs.

[@MrRoko91]

To be honest many IPS displays today get pretty close to TNs in terms of response time, for example LG's Nano IPS panels. But basically if Tim from TechSpot/Hardware Unboxed says it has more than 90% refresh compliance then it's good enough for me 🙂 Yes, OLED sounds great but even if we ignore the price and the size, the recent LTT video about his LG burn in after about a year or less of usage (if my memory don't lie) was enough to put me off.

[@timothygibney159]

I own an nano ips. It is not as fluid at 144 fps compared to TN unfortunately. It's within spec but the pixels still don't update

[@MrRoko91]

@@timothygibney159 I have LG 27GL850 and it's much more fluid than the TN display I had before. Not surprising considering the TN was only 60 Hz but it was also advertised as "1ms". But regardless that, I still don't see any fluidity issues even at "Normal" overdrive setting.

[@terraincognitagaming]

@@MrRoko91 No shit a higher refresh monitor is going to feel more fluid compared to one thats slower.

[@MrRoko91]

@@terraincognitagaming If you watched the video you'll understand it's not only about the refresh rate. If your display can't actually change the pixel color fast enough to keep up with the refreshes then the higher refresh rate would be only a gimmick 😂

[@terraincognitagaming]

@@MrRoko91 Video is about Pixel Response, not "pixel color" whatever that term even is supposed to be. A 120hz VA slow as syrup (past 50ms black-white-black and vice versa) will still -appear- and -feel- faster than a 60hz tn because while it may be displaying the same frames multiple times, you're still getting double the updates per second, just look at your mouse pointer on the desktop. Even the slowest monitor on the planet will still appear quicker than a 60hz.

[@hamesparde9888]

I would love to see a review of an e-ink monitor! I know their pretty expensive at the moment.

[@christopherjackson2157]

Yea I got literally no idea when it comes to monitors. Basic info is much appreciated on this one lol

[@Quettesh]

I bought HP 27xq which is 1440p 144Hz TN panel since I really don't like the blurring and every other VA or IPS panel in the more budget category had noticeable blur. Colour accuracy is not great, but I was surprised with the viewing angles.

[@PupShepardRubberized]

O.o new panel real talk time! Love IPS panels.

[@xximanxx267]

thank you very much for useful informations

[@pieterrossouw8596]

Sweet video. That said, I'm still happy with my basic Dell 1080p 75Hz monitors. It's fine if you actively avoid looking at the nicest new stuff.

[@CreativityNull]

4:20 Why would I load something on my monitor that would make it have to see a urologist? That sounds like a waste of money and time :P Thanks for the giggle editor.

[@suprjudy]

I thought I knew a lot about monitors... AMAZING video!! I wonder how my benq performs in this aspect.

[@SilverBullet27188]

Loved the video, would really like a collaboration between you and some of the more prominent display reviewers out there like Hardware Unboxed. Also a higher end high frame rate camera would help a lot with this kind of investigation.

[@Quick_Sa_Fugim]

There are even better reviewers out there with DIY equipment that drive the reviewing methods forward but lack exposure. Check Aperture Grille

[@ertugrulbirdal]

Nice detailed video 👍

[@longboardspeeder]

Solid explanation. Great video

[@TerminatoR99]

Great video! :-) and I also love rtings!

[@KingLarbear]

I had no idea about any of this, and I still don't, but one day I will get it, I'll just have to watch all of your videos in the mean time

[@ArdaiThomasPoker]

I have an IPS monitor dell u3014 from 2014, that has a true 10-bit panel. Has a 3-ms gaming mode and normally sits around 5ms. I've never been more happy with such a well rounded overall monitor. great for text because it has a pixel pitch of 0.25, 2560x1600 resolution which is honestly more than enough. 30 inch is perfect, not too big and not too small... I can't go with a 43 inch 4k - pixel pitch is a bit smaller and you can see the difference, text is small and monitor IS HUGE so you have to keep it closer.

[@Kenchan1337]

can't wait for you to review some of the newer QD oled panels, preferably with a heat sink layer against burn in to see how it does over time. samsung seemed rather confident in the new panels considering they let linus bring his test equipment but that still leaves out the most important detail: what about burn in?

[@Mobay18]

Question. Why is OLED technology not available in smaller screens like 27 to 32 inch displays? It would be perfect!

[@StephenMcGregor1986]

I've never understood this personally. There's AMOLED in phones and then OLED in larger screens, why no in between?

[@DrakkarCalethiel]

I'm so pissed that there are no 27" 1440p 165Hz OLED monitors. I would instantly buy one. OLED looks so darn good!

[@apostleoffate2028]

From what I know, Amoled is the slightly modified OLED panel that is more versatile (screen size not a problem), advanced and expensive than the OLED one but the manufacturers refuse to put it say on monitors or whatever because the demand and sales regarding these products are not high enough to make a profit out of it and to justify the effort and costs.

[@TaimatCR]

Tvs are wrgb and amoleds and pmoleds are different from them, they may all be oleds in the end but their subpixel layout and construction is different hence why you usually not see the in between sizes, wrgb (the one used by Tvs) has the drawback that due to the extra white subpixel it causes text not to be as sharp when viewing it closer, as in monitor distance for instance, and creating regular rgb panels on that size is still quite expensive, and yields are not great or the same as compared to other technologies like ips, VA or TN or even the other oled ones from what I recall

[@ikjadoon]

The same reason we don't see many 1500:1 contrast ratio IPS panels in desktop monitors, but still see many consumer laptops with those. *Volume*: desktops hardly sell ~80 mil units a year from all brands and mostly to businesses -> the monitor market is very, very, very small and cheap compared to phones >> tablets > laptops > TVs >> desktops. So big panel fabs (not dissimilar to CPU fabs in pricing!) want the highest margins in the largest markets with the lowest costs. Desktop monitors are simultaneously worse on all metrics.

[@PsychoStreak]

I was a little confused at first until I realized you were talking about the older U28D590D, not the U28E590D I have. Had to to look at the UJ59 review to make sure, and yeah. I guess you never bothered with the U28E590D which while not stellar is notably better than the U28D. Anyway, cool video, and yeah, it would be nice to have a marketing standard and actual panel specs included in monitor specs. I still say OLED is still too much of a throwaway tech for me to spend money on. To me they're like Plasma was to CRT tech - Better in a lot of ways, but it's doomed to be e-waste sooner rather than later. I feel it's a stopgap between regular LCD and something better.

[@carphuntingod]

So on other review sites, like rtings, how would you spot which monitors aren't keeping up correctly?

[@based1669]

EXCELLENT VIDEO THANK YOU

[@lostferwords5650]

Very useful Wendell thank you

[@Crossfire2003]

Very nicely explained. Yeah, that is the marketing. The same rules apply to audio electronics: “250 Watt speakers” when in reality they can’t deliver more than 150W.

[@ph7947]

thanks a lot for this video.

[@Pillokun]

One of the best videos about this topic ever made!

[@samnorouzi2125]

Please make this type of video a series called "exposing the manufacturers"and review more gaming monitors on this series like the asus rog swift pg279qm

[@SuperSkandale]

Never though of it like this "the old image is still being displayed even though the new one has updated". What is so unideal with the oled for gaming ?

[@chbrules]

What LG OLED 4K 16:9 display would you recommend for gaming and productivity in the ~40"+ size range?

[@slushycat]

the iiyama vision master 454/514 200hz crts are the best monitors ive ever used for gaming. other than resolution i dont think any flat panels come close to them yet...

[@Tyler-sl6vg]

Wondering if its time to upgrade my Asus PG279Q (165hz 1440p IPS circa 2016) - still looks good on paper but imagine the 6 years in panel tech would make for a better experience. Better brightness might also be nice for the day time gaming sessions. Thing is the obvious upgrade seems to be to 4k but even with a 3080 I do not feel like hardware can push a 4k image at acceptable frame rates yet.

[@TerraWare]

The thing is that whether you have a TN, VA or IPS display at home for your average user it's hard or impossible to know the difference of how much better OLED can look when you don't have them side by side to compare. Sure there are videos like this one comparing but unless you can try it you aren't really going to know imo. I have an IPS and a VA high refresh display as my gaming set up and if they made 1440p 27" OLED monitors I'd get one. I have an OLED Switch and the black levels are absolutely amazing. First time I played a game on it before going to sleep with the lights off the black areas in the game were pitch black. It's amazing ig you play retro style games on it.

[@forestR1]

Most phones have oled screens.

[@ramanmono]

when there is a lot of movement and everything stays so sharp that messes with my brain. With these slow displays I get free motion blur, sooo......

[@Gunni1972]

I wonder, if that Black/white response time test program (in colour) would change reviews. You could actually see to which colour pixels switch faster or slower. Otherwise, OLED would always win.by giving it the simplest command: On, or Off . That would make the program a true "Color-Switching time"-Test, not just a "grey to grey" or On/Off timer. Useful Addon?

[@SpuriousECG]

HUB does a great job of reviewing monitors, not all IPS monitors are made equally especially when it comes to ghosting, overdrive settings, and VRR capability. That said, my next gaming monitor will be a 4K144+ OLED... just need a good one to be released.

[@arefinkhandaker4370]

PLEASE! do the same test with Benq Zowie XL2546K! That would be a nice video!

[@undefinablereasoning]

Keep up the good work Wendell.

[@TheHandHistoryVault]

@Wendell . Could you do a review on Acer Aopen 25XV2QF or Acer Nitro XV252Q, based on this Video Topic? I would really like to know the results and your thoughts on 390 Hz IPS. Note: Make sure you buy a high quality high bandwidth display port cable with it. The one included in the box isn't good enough.

[@SpecialKthx]

I just bought the 390hz monitor at microcenter (havent received it yet because im in Canada and it was a hell of a process) I can't wait to see how it perform

[@tehsimo]

very informative.

[@gucky4717]

Normally i don't link other KZbinrs Videos in Comments, but you have to see the comparision between a OLED and LED TV from HDTVTest: kzbin.info/www/bejne/haqWlH6tppupe9k There you can clearly see in slowmotion that the OLED refreshed the Frame one at a time, while the LED smears from Frame to Frame. Unintentinally creating Motion Blur...

[@igordasunddas3377]

So if I am on an MSI Prestige 34" 5120*2160 monitor and I'd want to upgrade mostly because of screen size (resolution shouldn't drop below 4k@60hz, more Hz are preferred)? Budget is secondary.

[@goblinphreak2132]

QD-OLED coming this year and I am buying one, maybe two, maybe three. But yeah. EFF LCD, OLED is future. OLED is BAE. I agree we get lies about monitors all the time, ESPECIALLY from known youtubers who do monitor reviews (not you). I own an USB oscilloscope and photodiode. I was able to do my own testing. And when testing FULL 0-100 pixel response times, I found that online reviewers are not showing the full speed. They claim "10-90" or "3-97" is "good enough" and its not. Because when you have say a 360hz monitor, that means each single HZ will change at a rate of 2.77ms. But the display, as you said in this, is NOT CAPABLE of refreshing that fast. The pixel response on 360hz monitors are about 6ms AVERAGE using 10-90 timing. Go into 0-100 times and it gets even worse. RIGHT NOW, my ViewSonic XG2431 which just came out in 2021, "certified bluebursters 2.0", using 120hz mode and large vertical totals while also using the custom flicker backlight utility, you get CLEARER motion clarity than when running the monitor in its 240hz native mode. That is because of pixel response. 240hz means pixel response needs to be 4.16ms or faster (3ms, 2ms, 1ms). And the viewsonic panel simply is NOT capable of running that fast. In my own testing, for 10-90 (sad i know) was about 5ms without overdrive. This means its not fast enough for 240hz. Now going into 120hz mode, that means 8.33ms per 1hz. which is slower than the 5ms average I got for 10-90 times. so the MOTION CLARITY using this custom resolution 120hz mode with custom tuned backlight flickering, means the motion clarity BEATS anything ive ever seen. it even beats the 240hz native mode.... its insane. OLED will have faster pixel response times, usually 1ms or FASTER for full black to white times. that means OLED in theory is capable of true 1000hz display modes. but you need 1000fps to fill that 1000hz. if you don't have the FPS, then its useless. this is where black frame insertion comes into play. it reduces the sample and hold time which mimics how higher refresh rates work. and OLED is the best for this technology thanks to insanely fast pixel response times. IN THEORY, a 500hz OLED with BFI will look AS GOOD AS a native 1000hz display, and yet you wont need 1000fps, only 500fps. Which brings me back to gaming monitors. 120-240hz is all you need, as long as you have BFI enabled. AS FAR AS TEST SQUARES and this information. I have been banned like 100 times from r/monitors on reddit because people simply wont fucking listen to me. And here you are, saying everything ive said about OLED and chase squares. we need these reviewers like Hardware Unboxed to do proper 0-100 pixel testing because IT MATTERS when it comes to actual performance. Imagine running a mile, but instead of measuring the START to FINISH times, someone measures your 10-90 time!!!!! cutting off 20% of your time making you seem faster at running than you really are. Racing, sports, any subject you can think of. If you rated your performance at 10-90, you would be lying! Which is why generally monitors reviewers who do pixel testing, LIE about the quality. @level1techs if you want some help with setting up a way to test pixel response, well here are my parts. the pico-scope found on amazon. I got the cheapest one. and then from thor-labs based in new jersey I got a photodiode which is 5ns rise/fall times meaning its faster than any gaming monitor on the market in terms of reading. and you can 100% see for yourself for less than 300 bucks. crazy cheap way to get into pixel response testing. sadly the SOFTWARE that comes with the pico-scope only allows 20-80 or 10-90 "auto" timing results. You can highlight the graph yourself and find 0-100 but it would be faster to have it do it for you. funny enough, their software is open source, if i knew how to code, which i dont, i could in theory create a 0-100 time reading to get more accurate results. but i do this shit as a hobby and well you do it for a living.

[@goblinphreak2132]

UPDATE bought the alienware, its been delivered. LITERALLY sub 1ms full pixel response times. The fastest transition was 0.1ms and the slowest was 0.8ms. Tested using a USB oscilloscope (picoscope 2204a) and thorlabs SM05PD3A photodiode using an SM to BNC change over cable, also made by thorlabs. photodiode rise/fall time is 15nm meaning 0.000015ms which is overkill for measuring monitors. my results don't match any known review (HUB and some other random female youtuber) for the alienware. hoping tftcentral or rtings review matches my results and proves me right. because its hecking fast. but i dont know if they updated their tools yet to something capable of measuring fast displays. i know one youtuber uses a 1000fps camera, but by doing so, you are limited to 1ms as the lowest you can measure. so sub 1ms pixel response wont happen. and because the update rate is rather low as well, you can end up seeing multiple ms times when in reality its actually much lower, simply because 1000fps camera's aren't fast enough for proper measurement. thus me using much cheaper tools that are meant for measuring with speed.... the picoscope 2204a is only $160 and comes with software to track recordings from the thorlabs photodiode that I bought which was about $80 bucks, and then $20 for the SM to BNC cable to make sure it can plug into the usb oscilloscope.

[@jthompson120db]

This is a good informational video Wendel, great start to 2022 for Level1Techs

[@SmokeytheBeer]

Editor game on point today.

[@andreidoimetri]

Have you tested the new LG XX C11 OLED series from LG, I got it for less than 1000 $ and I love it(48" version) also 120Hz

[@Sieg670]

Somebody Garrymodded this thumbnail.

[@denvera1g1]

That thumb nail though

[@JeremyWorcester1]

Haunting

[@Ph42oN]

Well its true that IPS is not best for gaming, and i used to be like IPS is way too blurry in motion for gaming. But some of new IPS panels have got good enough. It may not be the fastest for gaming but on last black friday i decided to upgrade from 1080p 144hz TN monitor to 1440p 165hz IPS, and it looks so much better, and response times are close enough that i dont see much of difference in their speed. And i do play some fast games where its easy to notice slow panel like Quake Champions.

[@philhacker1137]

Is there an advance to use an AMD cpu(6-7000) an instinct with A Radeon for rendering with blender cinabench?

[@A1OFFENDER]

Cool video idea.

[@zivnix]

static image and icons on an oled? not affraid of burn-in?

[@shyboy2cute]

Wendell, is the LG behind you the 48 inch C1?

[@tailerbrown6825]

i didn't get, what is the summary?

[@frankd.b.9233]

Hi Which 1440p monitor is the best, with the highest fps like 240, I'm looking for 3 monitors that are good for racing games

[@gubbi1000]

Another thign to keep in mind is that grey-to-grey transitions are *slower* than black to white or white to black transitions for IPS panels. And without image processing (game mode: on): false colour galore.

[@Level1Techs]

really didn't want to get into game mode and vrr since a lot of the time that also disables overshoot and other tech that makes the panel "as fast as possibe" the point here was that allowing everything to drive the panel as hard as the panel can be driven it still not really refreshing that fast. a lot of the time the rise time is small in comparison to the fall time, too, which means you have 2-3 frames on screen at once. all of those things to play a factor but I was surprised how many people were suggesting that if two displays say 240hz their behavior at that speed is the same

[@WilliamPayneNZ]

Best thing I ever did was buy a FALD display. It really made my experience with gaming on an IPS panel better. I learned really fast that I hate IPS glow and backlight bleed. FALD while not perfect. Does get me ever so closer to OLED territory.

[@RF-INF]

what display did you buy?

[@sneedsneed460]

I 100% agree, I switched to an ASUS PG35VQ I got half off at microcenter and I love it way more than my previous IPS panel. HDR is excellent and the deeper blacks are great too

[@WilliamPayneNZ]

@New Moon oled is the absolute ultimate. But unless you only game and watch videos and never ever do any static image work with windows open burn in is a problem. When it comes to buying a TV, OLED all day long. I could never go back. OLED is that beautiful.

[@ahoymateeez]

@@sneedsneed460 But that's like 3k...why not get an OLED for that price? It's even cheaper...

[@3Dant]

@New Moon Sure but I think the price premium will keep OLED monitors (real ones, not the 48" small TVs being sold right now) out of reach for normal people for at least a few more years.

[@bardofhighrenown]

After reading the comments in the Acer video and watching this video I'm convinced. You turned my preconceptions about monitors on their head. I admit when you said 'ips displays aren't known for gaming' I had to check the release date of the video, I haven't heard someone say that since ~2017. For my next gaming only display I am far more likely to get a VA monitor now and I'll definitely be checking out the channel for more monitor reviews!

[@GoldenSax]

The ghosting I've seen from cheaper VAs can be a LOT worse than IPS so be careful.

[@efx245precor3]

YES. I have a 280 hz ASUS IPS gaming monitor and it rocks.

[@Lazarosaliths]

Great video. Didn't knew all this information. Selecting a monitor is so difficult!!! And there are so many monitors,its impossible to find review for every one of them. Plus many reviews don't really go deep in the performance. Too bad since a monitor is something you always use and probably for many years! There should be more informative reviews like yours

[@NaumRusomarov]

if you're playing shooters and fast twitch games, the fps is noticeable up until 180-200Hz. After that I don't notice anything. If you're reading texts and documents and you do a lot of scrolling, even 240HZ doesn't feel that much. Unfortunately, most of the monitors nowadays struggle to go beyond 60Hz, every generation there's only a handful of them that are decent if you want a fast monitor, but they too might be compromised in other ways (or cost a lot). It really is unfortunate. My hope is that oled/qd-oled monitors will fix most this once they move closer to the mainstream.

[@user-hh7cy8tr6h]

Thanx

[@jmwintenn]

i bought a Pixio last year. the power brick died on me 42 days in. the warranty only covered the panel so I couldn't send it in to them. past the 30 day return period as well. spent $205 to have something for 42 days. also,it didn't have a power button. not a defect,they make them without a power button.

[@gamebrigada2]

You unfortunately missed out on the newer LG IPS panels that are really catching up in this regard. They're only 144hz or the newer ones 160hz, but they are damn close in response times to be able to transition fully at their rated refresh rate with minimal blurring.

[@timothygibney159]

I own one. Not as fast as TN or fluid even if it says 1 ms in the nano ips spec

[@gamebrigada2]

@@timothygibney159 not talking about spec but tested response. In the faster mode, they consistently stay right around the 6ms range , which is enough for the 144hz refresh rate.

[@FunctionGermany]

thank you for this video, panel types still confuse me a lot. would be awesome if you could go into more details what the differences and strengths are, and maybe purchase recommendations for a few example main use cases (gaming, color work, office stuff...)

[@Level1Techs]

Well that's part of the point here. The panel type matters less now than the generation of panel. New IPS panels really are faster than old tn panels but it doesn't mean that all tn panels are inferior to ips. So if color accuracy is important look at that. If speeds important look for high speed footage

[@FunctionGermany]

@@Level1Techs will do, thanks

[@jgiubardo]

For purchase recommendations I really recommend hardwareunboxed's videos. They do a great job showing response time compliance and color accuracy on many monitors on each overdrive setting and at different refresh rates. Also 👋.

[@robertthompson7242]

Tim over at Hardware Unboxed did a video recently that addressed this in some detail.

[@whatsittoya7201]

HDTVTest just did the exact topic showcasing response and pixel accuracy in OLED displays a month ago. very enlightening stuff. video: " We've All Been Duped by LED LCD's Input Lag vs OLED for Gaming "

[@dreamsu]

more of this. pls

[@Hidyman]

I'm building a virtual pinball machine, and I was more concerned with off axis viewing angle. I got an IPS , was that the best choice?

[@Level1Techs]

Yep

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

This was a super-helpful video. My typical go-to source for monitor reviews is Hardware Unboxed, or Rtings as mentioned. I'm going to check if either have this setup as part of their test suite (if they do, they're certainly only showing the results, not demonstrating the actual testing.)

[@jjakkad]

What we need is the mini led monitors with good local dimming zones and decent HDR performance. Oleds are too big for a monitor and the oled screen burn is an issue pc side of things.

[@dynastes4938]

What we actually need, are Micro-LED panels at a decent price. I expect that to take at least another decade however.

[@terraincognitagaming]

MiniLED has issues, tons of it, the leds cant keep up. Same as regular local dimming. And the video isnt even about any of this.

[@m4nc1n1]

What test is that? I only see the UFO test on their website

[@skyerogue]

Can you recommend any 30+ Inch IPS monitors for gaming?

[@F4Y541]

Please consider pushing for an endorsement from LG for when it comes to the C(x) line. I'd be really excited to hear that LG credits you for getting more people to learn about tech while using their products!

[@kynbana]

Absolutely love Wendell!

[@SpecialKthx]

What about Black Frame Insertion? Also, I just bought the 390hz monitor at microcenter (havent received it yet because im in Canada and it was a hell of a process) I can't wait to see how it perform

[@mytommy]

how did you like the 390hz monitor? did it meet your expectations? why or why not?

[@SpecialKthx]

@@mytommy its really good but I ended up not using the black frame insertion because at 390hz you dont really need it and it darkens the monitor, its stupid fast, i really like it

[@nemesis851_]

The whistle at 15:33 (easily heard), had me losing my mind for 2-3 minutes before the 1533 mark. I thought I heard SOMETHING, but couldn't identify it, even paused the video, couldn't locate it, till 1533

[@DeoOptimoMaximo85]

Love your videos dude. Just ordered a LG ultragear 32” IPS panel after trying multiple VA panels for racing games. Hoping it’s what I’m looking for. Too much smearing with VA. Used to older 24” 240hz TN panels from asus which I’ve enjoyed for shooters. Nobody can sell me a VA panel anymore though..

[@riba2233]

Just get samsung g7 or g9, they are va and faster than any tn or ips

[@terraincognitagaming]

The only VA with no smearing or ghosting and actually faster than most IPS is the Samsung G7 VA. The G5 is old dogcrap VA though.

[@riba2233]

@@terraincognitagaming yep, g7 and g9 (smidge faster)

[@DeoOptimoMaximo85]

@@riba2233 yeah I tried the G5 and it was complete garbage. I'm loving the 34GN850 for dirt rally 2 and F1 2021 so far!

[@DeoOptimoMaximo85]

@@terraincognitagaming Could get my hands on this 34GN850B for 599 and I'm loving it!

[@soykac]

So then what are the best options for 4k monitors under $1000?

[@stanisawszczypua9076]

There is also one more thing that literally no one is talking about - not everybody can see and benefit from faster refresh screen. I can't see any difference whatsoever between my old piece of junk 21" Asus TN 1080p 60Hz monitor (very very cheap buy years ago) my previous main display Samsung 32" C32HG70 (VA 144Hz 1440p HDR 600 Quantum dot) and my current monitor Samsung 28" UR550 60Hz (IPS 60Hz 4K HDR400). My PC can render ~100 fps @ 1440p and I test it with 144 fps and lower settings. I decided that if I can't see the difference in speed then I will go for 137 PPI instead of 91 on older faster screen and its awesome :) If someone will say I'm not a gamer I'm playing on PC since 1996. I just don't play fast online shooters anymore.

[@KaiSizzlink]

IPS Gaming monitors come with different overdrive settings which will decrease response time at the cost of peak overshoot. Kinda strange how you didn't mention this. Good overdrive settings are one of the main things I look for in a gaming monitor.

[@forestR1]

Probably because any IPS panel that has overdrive settings that allow it to advertise speeds near TN, do so with an overshoot cost that makes them totally unusable at that setting.

[@50shadesofbeige88]

I game on my Pro Art IPS monitors, and I've got no complaints. Albeit, I only get 75Hz at 1440p

[@ChrisKadaver]

What about 144Hz tn vs 240Hz IPS? Is 1ms TN faster than 1ms IPS? What about Acers 390Hz 0.5ms IPS?