Iran's Poisoned arrows [8]: the Abbasids

[@goldenrule4islam36]

Christian prince brings up that odd Hadith all the time 😊

[@YenYen-xd6xo]

@Mel, thank you so much for your unwavering dedication to debunking the lies and deception of allah himself. God bless you for your hard working efforts to help many Muslims to get out of man made misery

[@IslamicOrigins]

I was so tired over the past few days but somehow I always find spare energy when it comes to this mission. It is my pleasure to debunk the lies, taking apart Islam's fake house of cards, one card at a time.

[@Cruithne68]

The zam zam story reminds me to the story of the foundation of Mexico Tenochtitlan, an eagle devouring a snake marks the spot to built the city

[@loulasher]

It's like an onion, but the layers are all tragedies. I kinda think we'll see it all again in the not so distant future. Did I say future? Present. The not so distant present.

[@RedWolf75]

Mel, you never thought when you first uncovered the Tayyeye, the web of lies that would be untangled

[@IslamicOrigins]

No, it is breathtaking. As it turned out the Tayyaye of Mhmd/t clue was the key to deciphering everything.

[@-Mitra-]

​@@IslamicOrigins Mel, please use your vocal cords and add some modulation/inflection to your speech (when the voice goes up and down). Otherwise it is too dull and hard to listen considering that your videos are very, very long. I stopped several of those after 15 minutes despite the very interesting content because it hurts the ears, kinda Chinese drip water torture. Sorry. P.S.: Tayyaye/Tayyestan didn't mean Arabs. It meant NON-PERSIANS, just as present time Tajiks of Afghanistan (neighboring Persian lands), Tajikistan and Uzbekistan are not Persians, but Persian speakers. Also it is important to keep in mind that: 1) Zoroaster and Zoroastrism were born in Central Asia, contemporary North of Afghanistan and SW of Tajikistan; 2) it is Abbassids who were successful in converting the Central Asia to Islam (because Arab speaking conquerors were able to raid cities only, but not converting people due to speaking a different language). Hence your key is here where I live, and not in the southern Iraq.

[@centurysince4312]

It's so strange to be learning all this just as another brutal conflict has broken out in Israel. Do you think anyone in 7th century Baghdad ever said to his friends - 'Guys. Do you think this could get out of hand?'

[@martenhernebring]

The conflict in the Middle East is mostly part of Soviet Operation SIG to foment hate against the West. Marxist- Leninists on both sides.

[@IslamicOrigins]

What is shocking is that teachers of the Law, the ones condemned by Jesus, went on to create the greatest lie the world has ever known. They knowingly broke the commandment "thou shall not bear false witness against the neighbour" for self-enrichment, power and glory, but they never put the record straight. They went to their graves having played deceivers. Indeed, they played Allah the greatest of deceivers.

[@centurysince4312]

@@IslamicOrigins there’s a demonic influence behind all of this. They say that the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist. But think this trick trumps even that one.

[@rev.brianlynch22]

Happy Holy Day Venerable Mel! You make St. Patrick proud.

[@IslamicOrigins]

Thank you very much, Fr Brian! St Patrick is a great inspiration. He was St Mel's uncle. 😁👍

[@mysotiras21]

Fascinating! Keep these videos coming!

[@coffeecup7084]

Thank you Mel

[@DianneCollins-q2l]

I was just reading Deut 2:20 where it mentions the Rephaim who the Amorites knew as Zamzummim.

[@mastershakeathforiginal923]

Great work Mel, I appreciate all that you're doing in teaching us. Have you looked into the kazaar early Islamic relationship. I looked for some books, but could only find secondary sources. I believe that they might have some 7th century interactions and that could lead to some interesting bits of information.

[@IslamicOrigins]

I can tell you that they did DNA tests of Eastern European Jews to see if there was a link to the Khazars and found none. The Khazars link is a favourite amongst anti-Semitic forums so I'd be cautious about what we can assert about them.

[@IslamicOrigins]

Thanks for the kind words.

[@mastershakeathforiginal923]

@@IslamicOrigins I have a German Yiddish last name, i care not for those theories, it is that the Khazars were said to have interactions early in Islamic history, thus there could be tid bits of info of their works, if they exist, which could shed new light. Svyatoslav was said to be the slavic leader of Kiev who brought down the Khazars, so their existence is real.

[@TheLinguist601]

Taybah - good, clean, pure. Barrah can mean various things depending on the exact spelling, but assuming an adjective, it can be reverent, sincere, true, etc. In Aramaic (JBA amongst others) spelled both with a final alif or he it means health as an adjective. It could mean "good health" if read as Aramaic assuming the waw yod interchange in between Aramaic to Arabic. Might be the source of the idea that Zamzam water is healthy or causes health? Furthermore Al-Taybah is an oasis village in Syria between Aleppo and Palmyra, with a spring. Barrah is a village in Nineveh Iraq. I wouldn't be surprised if the author left some hints.

[@SaintRegime]

Ooof... Guess Quran Allah forgot to remvoe the Arsenic...

[@asifbrettishmaelmakki9]

4:41 minutes ,and tayran ababil (sura 105). A book suggests that ababil is Abel and refers to a female who carries stones. Book is 👉 Ghareeb al-Quran fi Shi'r al-Arab by Abdullah ibn Abaas.

[@silverltc2729]

That place sounds like the water would be better than London water. Am I right or am I right?

[@IslamicOrigins]

If you don't mind contraceptive pills in your water, London water is great. 😂👍

[@silverltc2729]

@@IslamicOrigins Don't forget all those antidepressants!

[@IslamicOrigins]

Should be bottled and sold abroad as Damndamn water.@@silverltc2729

[@goldenrule4islam36]

The Sam Sam with crowes having red beaks from blood and dead bodies in it …that could be the Hadith with Muhammad bathing in a small pond with blood and waste that is now daif?? 😅

[@lesterscrough9762]

Is there any connection between Yazid III and those we know as the Yazidi people in northern Iraq?

[@IslamicOrigins]

The short answer is I don't know. These sects are notoriously secretive due to the horrendous persecution they've faced over the centuries. What I can point out is how odd it was to have a Caliph called Yazid which is a Zoroastrian word.

[@asifbrettishmaelmakki9]

The blood and excrement tale,is similar to the cow's milk tale. quran translation at 16.66 .

[@asifbrettishmaelmakki9]

Consequently they dug pits and sat their awaiting death. The above is beyond mental madness. I have never read that story,yet its creates so much disgust,due to how pathetic the tale is.

[@yakovmatityahu]

​@@asifbrettishmaelmakki9which one?

[@asifbrettishmaelmakki9]

@@yakovmatityahu . The tales that Mel narrated.I have not even watched the whole video yet.Lol the first two tales where to mentally sick.i had to have a break. Ps.The saying/tale do u think it's from Shia source's? Its possible that both Sunni and Shia sources are having fabricational origins.

[@youtubeuser1993]

Whoever or whatever, everything about the development of Islam happened in the Sassanian and Post-Sassanian Empire. You know how Yemen has a link we can see with Islam? Well... Yemen, indeed had been part of the Sassanian Empire for not a short time so we see a direct continuation of Sassanian territory with Persian territory looking at a map. In Mesopotamia, we have Jews Nazarenese, Nestorians, Monophysites, Arameans, Arabs. Indeed MOST jews lived there at the time. MOST Arabs did, MOST Aremeans did. This was In Mesopotamia which had been under Iranian Empires for more than a thousand years at that point. We have Iran and Central Asia with all the real importance they got, the Sunnah, Tafsir, Sirah, the Earliest coins mentioning Muhammad and so much more, all comes from here. These zones were part of the Sassanian Empire. So, I believe the elephant in the room no one is pointing at, is how ALL of Islam comes from the post-Sassanian East featuring all the different groups, ethnicities, and beliefs we see in Islam. I would say frankly that Islamic hostility towards the Byzantine Empire and their state religion, is pretty much a plain continuation of Sassanian policy, general Iranian policy indeed. So, Islam was the state religion of a Persian empire, with all the goals of previous Persian Empires This created a religious identity in direct hostility to us that shapes the modern world, and this is a continuation of the 700 years long Roman-Iranian wars or 1200 years long Greek-Iranian wars. I think this immense clash of Civilizations has not stopped and has been the driver behind political culture in Islam. Just look East and everything will fit!

[@chrishoff402]

The first time I read the biography of Mohammed my impression was that it had been written by a highly literate Christian or Jewish slave of the Muslims getting revenge on his captors.

[@lainfamia8949]

Then when Islam split in anti-jewish Islam as we know today mainstream Islam?

[@youtubeuser1993]

Since the times of the Quranic movement itself, so sixth-seventh century. Odon Lafontaine proved in videos recorded here with SnkCrnrs that the term Kafir in the Quran refers to rabbinical jews in the sense of "coverers". So, since the beginning the Quranic material is in very heavy polemics with the Jews

[@lainfamia8949]

@@youtubeuser1993 yeah but according to Mel the abbasid caliphate was ruled by. A Jewish deep state called the throne of David if I don't remember bad.

[@IslamicOrigins]

From today's perspective, a Jew is a rabbinical Jew, but those that criticised that form of Judaism were also Jews, but they were Sadducess, Samaritans and others. Kafir is a term one Jew called another: ie those that believed in the Talmud. I would place that split post the time of Benjamin of Tudela's visit to Baghdad in the 1160s, because the split hadn't yet happened and there was a strong accord still at that time, according to his account.@@youtubeuser1993

[@youtubeuser1993]

@IslamicOrigins Exactly! I wanted to write that as well but I had dinner 😂 Indeed, the Judeo-Nazarenes were... Jews

[@richardokeefe7410]

3:12 "between faeces and blood." One thinks immediately of Qur'an 16:66 "And most surely there is a lesson for you in the cattle; We give you to drink of what is in their bellies-- from betwixt the faeces and the blood-- pure milk, easy and agreeable to swallow for those who drink." This is such a weird way of describing where milk comes from (the udder *isn't* between faeces and blood) and such a weird way of describing where a well is that there MUST be a link here. (One also notes that Allah doesn't seem to know about lactose intolerance.)

[@asifbrettishmaelmakki9]

Hi.When it suggests,between faeces and blood.It could just mean,that inside the body which is basically blood and faeces, something good comes out of it(milk),IE blood and faeces may not be being said,so as too highlight a specific origin. Just a thought. For @dra7582.Isa was crucified because Jesus was crucified.Quran translations lies.👄

[@richardokeefe7410]

@@asifbrettishmaelmakki9 If that is what Allah meant, he could have said it. And I'm sorry, but the body, even the body of a cow or a camel, is *NOT* "basically blood and faeces" The text specifically and explicitly says FROM BETWEEN these things, "min bayni" and bayni in the Qur'an means something like among/between. Even if the text could be twisted that way (making Allah just the world's worst communicator rather than ignorant), the significant point of the verbal parallel / intertextuality remains. There may be a Talmudic link. Bekhorot 6b includes this passage: "The milk originates from the blood, which is forbidden for consumption, as the Master said that the reason a nursing woman does not experience menstruation is because the blood is spoiled and becomes milk" But the "faeces" looks like a Qur'anic innovation.

[@asifbrettishmaelmakki9]

@@richardokeefe7410 . I am just going off the translation.The actual Arabic could be saying something else. Ps.Quran translation claims the two seas meet,yet there is a barrier.eg sweet stream water mixing with sea water,has a barrier,that keeps the two waters apart. Tafsirs explanations is incorrect. The next verse talks about coral reef,so the previous verse of non mixing waters,is talking specifically about coral reef water because coral reef water has too be 100% salt water,orelse the coral will not become.

[@asifbrettishmaelmakki9]

@@richardokeefe7410 . And forget what allah ment!quran is claimed as coming from Muhammads mouth,hence what did muhammad mean.

[@asifbrettishmaelmakki9]

@@richardokeefe7410 . I don't speak Arabic.It will be good too see how St Murad(in time),explain these verses,because the verse may be nothing to do with milk and cows.I have not studied the Arabic words/roots of that verse,hence cannot really comment on it.The facts will only be attained from the arabic scripture itself. Ps.Also an English,Urdu,French etc etc quran translation, is never gods words,hence should never be classified as such. Word of God is taken by Muslims as direct.Yet word of God I understand refers to people who speak on behalf of God,like the OT Prophets. Ps.The quran book has been hyped up too much.Its a book plain and simple. I can recite a page in my mind,without requiring an ablution/wudu,yet if i fancy to check in the book quran,I must have ablution. Some islamic scholars state the book quran can be touched without ablution,yet the Arabic words written in the book MUST not be touched without ablution.

[@MONKEYDUDE2701]

Could it be that Makkah, the word is just another word for Jerusalem and that the name goes back to the Maccabees? It would make sense if you ask me that they started to call it by their name because they kind of successfully freed the holy city of the Jews?

[@IslamicOrigins]

That had occurred to me but I was told back then that the spelling was different but given the lengths these writers went to disguise things it looks very plausible.

[@MONKEYDUDE2701]

@@IslamicOrigins I also agree with this. The spelling I dont think is important since these are two different languages

[@asifbrettishmaelmakki9]

In Hebrew are written words as, Maacah,Beth - Maacah and Abel Beth Maacah. The c in Hebrew Maacah is silent.

[@Friedrichsen]

Chu meaning Jew seems unlikely. Most languages pronounce Jew with a Y not a J.

[@IslamicOrigins]

Good point!

[@professorx9919]

سعد has nothing to do with صاد these are two conpletely different roots

[@IslamicOrigins]

You are thinking like a linguist, not like a Talmudist-coder. Word plays play by loose rules. Linguists by tight rules. That's how they hide things in plain sight. Linguists didn't see the Aziz in the quran passage, we saw afew days ago, despite there being only a dot difference: they depend on everyone not thinking outside the box. They are not bothered if the roots of words are different: they are close enough and far enough to hide words and meanings.

[@asifbrettishmaelmakki9]

Hi.If there is a meaning for Root👉 Saad+Alif+Dal,then it will be different to Seen+Ayin+Dal ,as long as the correct sound is pronounced for the Arabic letter. Above is how I understand it. Also when Mel mentions about Linguist did not see the Aziz.If the root was just wrote in rasm,then it could be Aziz or Azir,or even other words.

[@asifbrettishmaelmakki9]

Yet,I have thought that the Seen sound/letter may not originally have been in Arabic.it could be a case that the three dots on a Sheen,actually introduces a new letter eg the Seen letter/sound. Hence Arabic Israel,could have been spelt with a Zal or Saad letter.

[@TheLinguist601]

​​​@@IslamicOriginsAziz was found using linguistic methods. Looking at the rasm, and going through all possible dottings, to find a meaning that would make sense in context. We speculated that there would be a textual variant that would support this reading. And it turned out to be so.

[@TheLinguist601]

​​@@asifbrettishmaelmakki9Israel was always written and pronounced in Arabic with a س /ś/, because it is spelled that way in Hebrew, and Aramaic. Koine Greek agrees and has σ, which is also /ś/. Sabaic spells it with an 𐩯 which is pronounced as /ś/. Ge'ez spells it with a ስ, which also has the same pronounciation. Even the Merneptah Stele spells it with a doorbolt hieroglyph 𓊃, with the same pronounciation. All these languages of various families agree on the sibilant. It's pretty clear what it was.

[@oleo.stimes6525]

These new findings don't require Jews to be in ascendance. Aren't the data consistent with them being one of many competing groups? The writings have a polemical and often hiddenly satirical nature. In the USA we have a famous poem about how Columbus sailed to the New World proving the world was not flat. Of course Columbus knew the world was round. This was known since the Ancient Greeks. ( Columbus' debate was about how close the Far East was to Europe.) In the USA, the poem's version has now largely been accepted as the true story. I think a lot of this kind of thing happened with Islam.

[@IslamicOrigins]

It came from a novel, yes, by Washington Irving in the 19th century. I also agree that there were many competing groups. That's a good corrective, thank you.

[@cascarrabias397]

Mel, it intrigues me why Baghdad circular city had the main streets forming a cross. and why circular?

[@IslamicOrigins]

I'd imagine that a circular city is much more defensible, it probably just comes down to that, and once it is circular, roads are bound to cross the center. I don't think there is more to it than that. Even there is, it is probably just spiritualising it after the fact.

[@cascarrabias397]

@@IslamicOrigins I think Nestorians were very close to the Jews or they became very close to the ruling party.

[@IslamicOrigins]

That's what Deus thinks too as we will see in next episode.@@cascarrabias397

[@cascarrabias397]

@@IslamicOriginsYou are doing a heck of job my friend, God bless you and your family.

[@eromonsele1521]

​@cascarrabias397 My argument is if you let the Qur'an explain itself that is just Nestorian Christianity. There was a Nestorian Bishop who put in his writings which I'll paraphrase during the Arab Invasion that, 'we should not fear the Arabs because just like us they believe our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ did not die on the cross'. With that context it sounds like a Christological argument. So when Muslims say Jesus is just a man it is not based of an Arian Heresy but a Nestorian bipolar Christ argument in my opinion. I have no dog in the race anyways as I don't believe in any God but the topic interested me when I found out the Qur'an does not deny previous scriptures that sent me on a study the Qur'an spree. Even the argument of the denial of the Trinity is not true if you read the Qur'an properly especially Surah 4:171 which in my opinion seems to be making the opposite conclusion to everyone else's where it is actually confirming the Trinity and correcting Christians who say three instead of one

[@chetanpaulr]

So much confusion to me what is what

[@IslamicOrigins]

It was created on purpose to be a confusing mess but we will make it all clear in due course.