Irene vs Chen vs All Bosses!! | Arknights CN

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[@DeathRusherYT]

Irene and Chen are both E2LVL90 S3M3 and both have their module equipped. Irene's module makes her attacks ignore 70 DEF and Chen's module increase her skill damage by 10%. Thanks for watching!!

[@zhan2780]

I'm just curious, do you know what happens when irene uses her skill in the second phase of EB? does the damage land before she dies?

[@Charlett]

I hope that Chen will get def ignoring talent in future so she will be better equipped for future stages

[@yevvale4024]

chen's module is not that good compared to irene

[@Charlett]

@@yevvale4024 Yeah its worse than Irenes

[@milkman7834]

​@@yevvale4024 it's not the module that's worse, it's the talent. Irene actually deals less damage than Chen in raw numbers but has to deal with half the defense during the skill because of talent 1+levitate. The module certainly helps but it doesn't have nearly as much of an impact as Irene's talent 1.

[@lawgx9819]

It's important to remember what makes Irene so strong isn't because of that 70 def ignore, it's one of her talent having 50% chance of ignoring 50% enemy def (100% chance to flying/afloat enemies, basically guaranteeing 50% ignore def)

[@kom2876]

its based on enemy. for bosses like Emperor's Blade, her skill to knock up the enemy was canceled.

[@matizpl9249]

@@kom2876 not many enemies are levitate immune. But wieght level cuts down on the duration.

[@texasgaming1349]

Are you sure there are no other operators that affect their stats on the battlefield?

[@TheGoodWillSpreader]

@@kom2876 apparently not quite, some people on other videos make the claim that Irene affected the blade. Problem is that there's no animation for the blade levitating.

[@-thepatriot-9719]

Irene is good with her module that ignores 70 DEF and the dps and damage on her S3 when on M3 is just crazy. she just shreds many bosses into cheese.l, Iberian Inquisitors are built different

[@nutmegmachine218]

The module ignores flat 70 Def, not 70%... still a very good module

[@-thepatriot-9719]

@@nutmegmachine218 ah thanks for noticing the error there my friend.

[@jevs1555]

If it was 70% she’d arguably be the most busted character in the game.

[@tumchanveha2342]

The difference between this two is that Chen can support other op with offensive or defensive recovery with her talent 1. Chen also can use her skill more frequently thank to her talent 1 and she can also charge it even when she doesn't attack. But The skill dps lose to Irene. Irene got Def ignore which make her deal far more damage than Chen even without skill. Irene also deal aoe damage and cc. So pick your medicine: a bit faster skill and a little team support or huge aoe damage and cc.

[@isleep7262]

Irene will actually always has better skill rotation than Chen if both are constantly attacking, her S3 only 24 SP cost and Atk speed up from talent.

[@napiski2260]

Like the old saying goes: you won't have to worry about defense/healing/slow/support/etc if your enemy is dead. In other words: DPS is king. So as long as Ch'en's talent doesn't increase your team dps to a value higher than Irene does by herself (or enable some cheesy strat), the later wins.

[@thanoof]

@@isleep7262 Are you blind? In the video you can clearly see how Ch'en and Irene have next to no time difference in s3 rotations.

[@captainonomatopoeia]

Which ever is meta.

[@isleep7262]

@@thanoof in the 1:10 Irene finished recharge first, later in the clip Chen finished first simply because for some reason Specalter and mountain blocked the trash mobs so she cant keep on attacking. 6:24, 7:33 are other examples If you have done the math, irene wins. The difference is very marginal tho, she wins out chen by 3 to 5 secs, so in 2x gameplay that's like two three attacks difference :V . Hey i've never said it's that much faster or anything, just faster

[@disintegratedstrategist]

Wow, this has really changed my opinion of Irene's single target damage with her S3. On just about every boss lower than 500 defense there was little to no difference, it's only when Irene is hitting multiple targets with her splash damage that she really crushes Chen, but otherwise they are pretty even.

[@yuuka2298]

Irene's aoa is random so if there are other enemies in range, her single target dps gets lowered.

[@disintegratedstrategist]

@@yuuka2298 I am pretty sure her hits actually splash though, which is what I meant by AOE.

[@voidkeeper]

You usually use these with the buff Army. So Irene's talent is almost ineffective. The important point is the nature of each skill. chen is the best option to kill the bosses because when she uses her skill, she gets out of the reach of the enemies. On the other hand, Irene is the best option for killing elite enemies such as Shield Guards, while destroying ordinary enemies beside them, because it causes scattered damage.

[@justsomerandomweeb4243]

@@voidkeeperare we even playing the same game? Ignore def is never useless because of how dmg is calculated Raw phys dmg-totaldef=total dmg.

[@voidkeeper]

@@justsomerandomweeb4243 I said useless? I said almost ineffective. When the operator deals 6,000 damage to the enemy with each hit. even without any debuff There is nothing in the game that can come out of it alive(except some enemies who don't take physical damage at all), so ignoring the defense in this case is just an extra thing. What I'm saying is that paying attention to the nature of skill attacks is the most important thing. if you use chen for killing som group of elite enemy some of them pass her and if you use irene to kill Degenbrecher or Emperor's Blades, you just troll yourself.

[@Mostimaschurchpope]

A Year 1 unit is keeping up with a 2nd anni unit That's quite impressive

[@zomfgroflmao1337]

So in conclusion, Chen has evasion (rarely useful) and a team wide buff that helps her reg SP even when not attacking (very useful in most situation but not all) and Irene has an offensive talent (ignore def on chance, very useful for almost all enemies, especially 500+ armor) and a talent that makes her attack faster (makes her get SP faster in situations where she can attack targets). So the strongest would probably be an Irene with a Chen also deployed to get the passive SP reg.

[@yammoto148]

Chen doesn't just get evasion she also gets bonus attack damage and speed. But yes Irene is a better bosskiller for the bosses that have more armour.

[@momsaccount4033]

Now I want to see a game or some other kind of media with a protagonist and deuteragonist pair where one comes from a fantastical Chinese Cultivation system setting while the other comes from an Iberian/Spanish-inspired coastal nation with gothic tropes and cosmic horror-inspired magic. Both of them would be straight-laced and straight-forward, but their different upbringings and values will be what set them apart from each other. The former would have a more bitter, solitary heart with a strong will and good intentions, while the other will have a relatively more empathetic and permissive, more willing to open her heart a little while still having a serious and practical mind. In terms of the Arknights world, I think it’d be interesting to see how Ch’en and Irene would interact if they were forced to stick together for whatever reason. I feel like the ensuing interactions would turn into an interesting dynamic between two people who at first look like they’re extremely similar but are actually worlds apart, both of them growing to understand (or mildly tolerate) each other.

[@MrMannerless]

These videos are both informative and entertaining, thank you for making them, don’t stop!

[@DeathRusherYT]

Im glad you are enjoying them!

[@MrMannerless]

@@DeathRusherYT oh for sure, I’ve seen most of em so far.

[@chenchen6150]

Def Ignore is always a welcome pick. Just imagine when we'll get support operator that increase ally attack and also make them deal def ignore for short period time that will sure make both of these nuke dualstrike operator have a field day.

[@littlebluemoon267f]

0:49 FN: Got sliced by Chen/Irene repeatedly on the back Also FN: Must, hit, Saria

[@Hindshell5438]

Although their damage look very similiar. remember irene deal aoe damage, and chen is single target. Making irene miles better because she can clear multiple enemies at once. Yea RIP guard chen. There Balans version of her anyway.

[@psl6145]

Yeah, but Irene's ST damage drops when she attacks multiple enemies because her targeting is random.

[@isleep7262]

@@psl6145 doesn’t matter if she target random enemies as long they just stand near enough to get hit by the splash damage.

[@BroBayu21503]

Mantap Balans 👍🏻

[@artek0050]

I could be wrong but doesn't Irene make enemies float? As in they are aerial and now other ground ops can't target them meaning something like surtr can no longer hit them at the same time. May be a small factor to consider.

[@Hindshell5438]

@@artek0050 well, most weak enemies have less than 3 weight will most likely die from her skill. While tougher enemies have more than 3 weight. So the float only last for 3 second. Even if you use surtr, I don't think 3 second would matter much

[@Gacha-Ritual-Master]

The fact that Chen can compete in the first place shows how strong she is, Irene is a current meta unit, if she was any less than she shows here, she would suddenly be regarded as a waifu pick. Chen was from a time were they had to remove Kal'sit and then release lore inaccurate Mostima, it makes me happy that Chen can still fight for her place...when will AoE casters be able to fight for their place?

[@ron8989]

Irene deals more damage because even her normal attack has chance of penetrating defense and let us remember that she has increased attack speed so she deals more basic attacks compared to Ch'en and that's why even though Ch'en has "Scolding", Irene still activates her skill at almost the same time or sometimes even faster than Ch'en.

[@adamantiux9750]

Interesting... I was expecting this to be a far more one-sided competition in favour of Irene. As it turns out, this isn't necessarily the case. Don't get me wrong, Irene will most often be the superior choice between the two. Having better ST total skill damage numbers against high Def on top of AoE around random targets makes her perform better in most situations. Not to mention that ignoring half of the enemy's defense causes her autoattacks to be more powerful while her skill isn't active. However, Ch'en ignores all sources of damage while her skill is active, and her first talent makes her easier to helidrop and to cover for her skill downtimes. Furthermore, she also has better total damage numbers against 0-300 defense. This definetly gives her a case usage against Irene for bosses such as Emperor's Blade, Frostnova, and Break the Ice's boss. Ch'en still has a niche. I'm unsure how buffers/debuffers might affect this comparison. On the one hand, Ch'en has the better module and bigger attack scale multipliers, which usually scale better with buffers. On the other, Irene can ignore 50% of the target's defense, albeit dependant on rng. Better against bosses such as Patriot, although dependant on the enemy's weight level. If you are willing to go through the mald, you can keep restarting the stage until you get a run where the defense ignore triggers on all of her skill's hits. I sudder to think what the odds for that would be. All in all, while the powercreep is still there, it's not such an abrupt leap as I had initially thought. More like the natural evolution of the game: As the stages get harder, operators also get stronger. Reminds me more of the difference in strength between Siege and Saga, or even Ash and Exusiai if you are optimistic about Ch'en, rather than the difference between Skadi and Surtr or Nearl Alter.

[@adamantiux9750]

I've just noticed that I committed a mistake in my comment. Irene does not have true AoE in her third skill. Instead, every hit after the first one attacks a random enemy within range, with a splash radius of 1.1 tiles around said target. As a comparison, I believe the radius of an AoE caster's splash is of 0.9 tiles. This might add another layer of rng to her third skill, since the area her skill covers is so wide, causing a bit of damage to be lost. As another point, it can still be activated when there are only flying units such as drones in place - Which I think Ch'en is unable to target with her third skill.

[@DeathRusherYT]

Irene does not completely ignore DEF. She has a 50% chance to ignore 50% DEF. That chance is increased to 100% against aerial units, the DEF ignore remains the same, 50%

[@adamantiux9750]

@@DeathRusherYT O_o I suppose I misread when looking at her operator file. I've decided to edit my original comment, since I wasn't aware of this function when I first wrote it... I guess I haven't got used to KZbin comments yet.

[@narius_jaden215]

Given what I've heard about ch'ens ability to help the whole team, I don't think i'd say she's been completely power crept. I find that a lot of people in gachas tend to just jump on new characters and ignore old ones at the slightest hint of "Improvement". It takes a more measured approach to avoid this sort of thought process :D.

[@sharksarecool6717]

@@narius_jaden215 You are never going to bring that many defensive/offensive operators for Ch'en's talent to be a meaningful team support though, so it's almost always gonna benefit her alone. Not many defensive/offensive operators need that talent, either, maybe with the exception of Blem's S3 if you want her as a pseudo helidrop, but she already regens SP so fast anyways. I think the trend for new OPs right now is to copy old OPs' abilities and make them stronger, but more nuanced, and give them all offensive talents instead of unique niche, so that even though they perform extremely well in general contents, old OPs still have a fighting chance in difficult, endgame contents like CC. Irene, Pozyomka, Mlynar are very fine examples of this, although Irene's higher offensive capabilities are much more valued than Ch'en's SP recovery, and Pozyomka's dodge ignoration is simply ridiculous.

[@RuminasVall]

Irene is a better dps for general usage but chen also is a sp support/helidrop farmer, their s3 is similar but different enough. this is what i call a great balance unlike seige/saga case. Tho as a buff user i will use both as a same time for irene nuke aoe and cleve with chen swept, these day sp on atk op is plenty so toss chen in is worthed.

[@kikixchannel]

Well, Siege still does have her uses, it's not like she's obsolete. Her defense is slightly better (well, 69 defense more if not potential 4, more than that with it), her attack barely better. Her second skill is slightly faster charge in raw charging, and against a lot of mooks, it may be slower or faster charge than Saga's depending on whether Saga manages to kill the units and how many of them there are. Its auto-trigger is both a blessing (if she's swamped) or a curse (with her first charge usually being used against just a single unit). Unlike Saga, she has no limit to enemies hit (true AoE), so she's great against those tumor enemies. Her talent also helps both Saga and Bagpipe to get stronger. The real problem with Siege is that she's basically a 5 star unit with buffed stats. Her third skill really should be changed. It would be 'fine' for a first or second skill to be something unique not fitting the archetype, but for a DP generating vanguard to have her most 'powerful' skill be a guard-type skill?! And with a mediocre up-time?! That's a dead skill. Basically, if you need your Vanguards to be buffier or you need to deal with a map literally flooded with mobs, you would pick Siege over Saga any day. Saga is better at DP generation though, and her damage output with the third skill is significantly higher than anything Siege can do. That makes her more versatile map-wise, but not strictly superior.

[@whyhellothere6855]

@@kikixchannel meh, I don’t see siege being picked over saga anymore unless it’s an AFK strat or an extremely niche level. Saga’s manual S2, more tile range and SP utility to mobs is straight up an upgraded siege. And it’s not like siege has 200 more def than saga or anything. I have both and I rarely use siege now that I have saga, I forget I even have her sometimes. And I disagree with a stage flooded with mobs example. If they’re a bunch of small mobs like that famous slug level, you’d still pick saga because of her own SP regen niche that allows her to spam her S2.

[@kikixchannel]

@@whyhellothere6855 You do remember that Siege also has SP regen, right?! In a flood of enemies, she also can pretty much spam that skill. And she doesn't even need to be the one to kill. I do agree that Saga would be better in majority of situations. As I said, Siege has a completely dead skill 3, which certainly doesn't help her. Mob-flooded maps also don't really happen often, so Saga's second skill is as good as a true-AoE (and has longer range). But I think you do underestimate the importance of seemingly small amount of defense. Since it works on 1 to 1 and can lower the damage as much as to 1, it can be the difference between being killed quarter into the stage and not needing a healer. Though yes, Saga has that fancy anti-death trait, too. All in all, I would absolutely support Siege getting a buff (and I support her skill 3 being completely trashed and replaced with a VANGUARD skill!). But she has uses in which she can make it easier than Saga. Very rare and very specific though, which is the problem.

[@Aureels]

well the difference between them is no as much as I though, and since Ch'en has support and stunning capabilities, she stay very decent. Plus, she can charge her skill, waiting the enemy, giving her 1 use in advance before Irene even begin to think to charge her skill. For very big defense ennemy, the best is.... Surtr anyway :p

[@LeinRa-Reaction]

lmfao, that Quintus showcase is hillarious, Ch'en gets to continue attacking more right after using her skill the 2nd time bcos Irene was tentacled, yet Irene finally gets to use her skill the 2nd time and instantly closed the gap. it's really telling.

[@yammoto148]

But Chen also got tentecled and nervous inpairment too. They were deployed differentnt times during the boss fight, Irene was brought out earlier and avoided the air units later on.

[@ohayo9637]

Ah yes, normal dante vs vergil comparison video.

[@yamazakisouma438]

tbh Irene is better in terms of pure DPS but ch'en has her talent which is useful for the team .. i mean Irene is pure DPS while ch'en can be a sp battery

[@Dr.Krezotexe]

I might be trippin But, did Irene register all hit to Mephisto singer even inside the I-frame state (moment when he fart the toxic gas)?

[@LetMeFLY649]

Irene, Ch'en, & GuardMiya for the ultimate boss shred

[@ren1937]

7:36 Kagen wa shimasuyo

[@AKX-DTGRSMP]

Emperor's blade pursuer really did irene dirty. Then again, chen wasn't there when he did the smoke.

[@faylein1357]

as much as i want to use Irene/Ch'en guard, first good showcase for both of them, Ch'en summer just too busted for meta lol still remember the only stage that i ever use Ch'en guard probably Emperor's Guard and those Pocket Sea Crawler (thanks to Invicibilty frame and stun), outside of that Kal'tsit/RK/Surtr pretty much first choice

[@Luminn_]

Ok but like why does irenes voice sound so nice

[@leonshirogane5541]

Irene have ignore armor, so she will have better dps over all and Chen have I-frame/untargetable so she can cheeses some fight better then Irene

[@tain4388]

Irene also goes better with buffs than Ch'en due to def ignore

[@Zack_Zander]

Irene will be my hard replace for Guard Ch’en due to Alter Ch’en. On the other hand, the SP Passive from Guard Ch’en is nice.

[@shinnersr]

Well i heard in CN now you can use Alter and original characters in the same Squad, so you know

[@Zack_Zander]

@@shinnersr Ain't the case 5 months ago

[@shinnersr]

@@Zack_Zander and ain't the case for global for another few months, just wanna see how balance the aegir squad can be

[@cocozzy1889]

Got both I'm so happy

[@yeetthatsme1024]

I won’t get her cuz I’m a Chen Enjoyer, but to anyone who wants Irene, I wish all the best for your gacha pulls :^)

[@Aahhhhhhki]

video would be a little better if you synced them a bit more

[@NguyenKien1808]

In conclusion, Rest in Peace Ch'en Awesome

[@angelosgames9960]

Irene Out DPS Chen. In the end both are good for their own right. Irene can Clear Pile of Enemies and CC while Chen Can Clear and Support Offensive and Defensive Operators.

[@AmalXtreme1994]

The powercreep is real...

[@lancergt1000]

Andorn (Guiding Ahead's boss) has a really weird interaction with Chen S3 where its not affected by his dodge aura for some reason, does Irene S3 behave the same way?

[@DeathRusherYT]

Can't test that because the event is gone.

[@anhdotram5947]

@@DeathRusherYT wait you cant play again in the intermezzi??

[@Yorushima]

@@anhdotram5947 Once the event itself ends, you can't revisit it for a few months. Down the road, there's typically a rerun and then after that, it's permanently available for you to revisit (often times operator module unlock objectives will be tied to the events they come from). But yeah, it means it'll be a while before that can be tested.

[@Shunnie0301]

Id still prefer chen's kit over irene's... her global so talent helps A LOT of ops with offense/defense recovery skills, and her immunity on her s3 bypasses most bosses cc's.... Although Irene dishes out more damage to multiple enemies, i think both of them are in par ngl, its just a matter of preference depending on the players' play style

[@ChaosLightspeed]

Irene is actually a better pick than Ch'en in most cases where both would be considered, and makes CC appearances where Ch'en does not.

[@alexandersebela370]

Level 3 chens module improved her significantly while Irene's is a bit better. But having fiametta or mudrock in team with chen increase their dps a lot.

[@frds_skce]

I just bring them both, honestly. But I favor Irene more first, and Chen second when the enemy boss cannot be levitated/need to be stunned more

[@adryelalves4501]

Just got Irene(was pulling for dorothy☹️) and was wondering if she was as good as people say she is, i still hate her class but she sure does pack a punch Tho I'd still pick chen if i had the option, her talent is better in my opinion(less rng-ey)

[@nuginurohman7613]

ignore 50% def and -70 def is really busted,but otherwise is same

[@leonardovarponi60]

How about Guard Amiya S2 vs Irene S3 vs All bosses?

[@andrewpaul9798]

Irene's voice is surprisingly cute and cool👍 I love it👍

[@SilencePandaa]

the VA voices Kiana from Honkai and Kagura from Gintama. She's a pretty popular VA who uses her high pitched voice to voice a lot of cute characters. Rie Kugimiya is her VA

[@hamri7806]

irene voice is so cute. idk why

[@th3TwistedLight]

Instructions clear, time to use both in my teams

[@agustdofficial8945]

Upcoming texas alter can kill all of those boss and surounding enemies with one skill activation

[@ironlegion1580]

ch'en 7 irene AN Impressive 11 winner is irene and ngl thank u death rusher for the info. sad i have to skip cause hellagur :)

[@WeebAttorney]

Me who's going to be using Amiya, Chen and Irene together.

[@shiroemisukami4025]

Irene got better cuz of the debuff, unless they are both almost the even burst damage

[@archirnobenz]

Irene's voice is so cutteee. I just wanna pat herrr

[@nguyendragon]

(ignore my pfp) I think it's kinda sad though that Ch'en isn't the clear winner here. Irene on ST boss is her weak point in my opinion, while it is Ch'en strongest point. On s3 each of Irene instance of damage has a small aoe which means she shoot all of this damage to all enemies close enough to each other (not to mention the cc), while ch'en will always only be able to deal damage to 1 enemy. An equivalent trade off that would have made them equal is Irene better in aoe situations while Ch'en is clearly better in ST, but you can see here it's not the case, Ch'en even losing out to Irene in some cases, mostly high def enemies, as expected

[@user-yd8dz2ln7u]

Gunslinger trickster spammer vs Judgement Cut End Enjoyer

[@vampirepumking9941]

I'm the motivated kind so I'll pick judgement cut end

[@cefrinaldi8060]

Irene trully does became guard chen replacement after chen got that watergun.

[@salesberuang4448]

I think you starting chen's skill too early when 2nd mine is not active giving fragile to patriot...

[@risu4105]

Old operator vs new

[@user-bffhcrycfgrxawhkji]

Although when we use Irene, we can use chen alter, unfortunately.

[@deathraider3130]

Unrelated to the video but i got mostima and flametail unbuilt should build them or leave them

[@mr.clevertrick8710]

That depends on you Flametail is decent, she's the other vanguard I use besides fang, courier and myrtle. I used to deploy Mostima a lot but its hard to justify on using her besides for stun locking, even her module is meh, maybe soon if the module upgrades are worth for her

[@deathraider3130]

@@mr.clevertrick8710 i have elysium e2 and i have mastery 3 on his 2nd skill and currently building myrtle so do you think she'll still be good for my team in some situations?

[@justanewbie972]

@@deathraider3130 who, Myrtle or flametail? Both of them are viable tho, for flametail you can go for her s3, low dp and good stat. With her talent, she basically become aoe vanguard with little bit of RNG.

[@mr.clevertrick8710]

@@deathraider3130 Elysium, myrtle and flametail are good Flagbearers are just that good anyway, the utility of elysium s2m3 cannot be understated

[@GreyReBl]

"Better than Chen" < "Best with Chen"

[@elipothesarcosuchus8758]

I think it's bullshit how irene gets higner attack with a crit chance

[@vuminhquang7955]

Kiana's VA so must pull

[@izunainari]

Both, both is good

[@asakuromura1303]

the answer is use both of them for maximum bullying

[@bitboss1385]

okay irene is surprisingly strong

[@ignis5778]

As one said, stop comparing, just start pairing.

[@MrWeebs-gc2jj]

ah yes chinese sword man vs kiana lost long daugther

[@TheRadiantKnight_]

Irene is stronger, but Ch'en is waifu. Nothing can make me start using Abyssal Hunters and anyone from their event

[@DioBrando-xo7zd]

So... to single target with low def they almost the same lol

[@putraandywijaya3880]

1:54 Mountain : what the f*ck, fast kill the boss st*pid girl Aak : wait.... Party without me?

[@yukaribestwaifu]

chen scales much better with buffs tho

[@frds_skce]

Honestly, just use them both together.

[@b0r5cht]

i dont care her forehead is the strongest weapon

[@myracleskillz9992]

Nice.

[@shiromirai2014]

chen irene amiya trio dancing slash

[@xjajrhoic5698]

The powercreep is real It’s not even as tight Ash vs Exu or Ceobe vs Eyja vs GG , it’s straight up Executor vs Chalter at this rate

[@shenkyo]

Ignore DEF is just op

[@Kenzy33]

Damn Irene is so much better, it is not even a contest lol. While Chen has some utility in her talent, Irene has better DPS in most cases and keep in mind she deals AOE damage!

[@Christian-CTDC]

Irene is better guard than chen? Well pardon i just use both then

[@yamato19928]

Che'n Will forgetable i knew it, her alter was overpowered and we can get amiya guard now and NOW in CN we have another stronger swordmaster branch. I feel sad for guard che'n because i have her as dps

[@ItsRenamed]

ignore def is real

[@VilArknights]

I find it hilarious that they both either completely melt or are about the same save for patriot who has the obvious big thicc. then you have mephisto over here with the "lol my toxic cloud has invincibility frames scrub" Ch'en seems to be generally worse than irene in terms of solo damage, but she seems more consistent when it comes to skill downtimes and wave downtimes (because of ch'en first talent). I think the Deathless Black Snake showcased it best where she gets more skills but deals less damage (because she has no defense ignore) but then again you madragora who shows that the aspd talent on Irene is very large and now I'm confused. I would like to see how they do with a few buffers because solo dps isn't a practical metric and Ch'en definitely does well when she's buffed, the question is if Irene does as well. I really don't know but my guess is that Ch'en would fare better against lower defense enemies where Irene's talent doesn't make as much of a difference? I really can't get the full picture with them on their own, can't wait for the "Irene v Chen v All Bosses feat Warf" vid :) Their skills are very similar, though. This is probably the "x vs y vs all bosses" that makes the most sense

[@littlelw319]

Jesus christ. The powercreep is real. And for real tho. Guard Chen get screwed so hard by Hypergryph. Don't get me wrong increase 10% skill damage increase isn't a bad thing. It just doesn't fix her problem or enough to band-aid it at all.

[@kagurawei244]

Can i recover irene sp if liskarm deployed near her?

[@mauriciobuitrago7853]

Yes, I have done so in some stages with fast attacking enemies in two lanes (having Liskarm side by side with Irene) or by dropping Lisk in front of Irene while she's about to block 3+ enemies so they don't run past her and so she starts getting sp from Lisk's talent. It works, but it's not a broken interaction because Irene's skill are offensive recovery and she cannot attack if Lisk is blocking for her.

[@user-qn4bu5xz9p]

I have both of them

[@casualclown7163]

Haha Jaye!

[@clonedindividual6698]

11:14 I call for a fraud

[@Verko_A]

People be missing out on the fact that Irene gets buffed by Ch'en

[@cantsu]

can you do Chen Irene and guard amiya vs all bosses

[@maihung5512]

they may have similar looking skills but very different damage type (physical vs art and pure), not to mention guardmiya cant use her skill again when these 2 can, this comparison isnt fair at all

[@reploids1990]

@@maihung5512 Heck, comparing a 6* to 5* is already unfair to begin with. Just like how some idiots keep comparing Eyja to Castmiya.

[@cantsu]

@@maihung5512 no I want to see the 3 of them nuking bosses together

[@maihung5512]

@@cantsu what have bosses done to you to deserve this kind of treatment man

[@highland2246]

@@maihung5512 killing out ops

[@love60199]

水槍比赤宵好用

[@sakuraharu4445]

How about G amiya S2 M3?

[@zomfgroflmao1337]

Useless comparison, that is arts vs phys damage...

[@sakuraharu4445]

@@zomfgroflmao1337 I mean the skill is almost similar with chen

[@zomfgroflmao1337]

@@sakuraharu4445 Yes, but Arts and Phys are way different in how they are calculated. Phys is simple subtraction, while Arts is percentage based. That makes any comparison useless, as it depends entirely on the enemy.

[@govinlock8568]

Amiya's subclass is not same as both Chen and Irene. She is arts guard like Surtr and Mousse.

[@BrazilOhio.]

Irene is doing aoe, so chen is worse.

[@clonedindividual6698]

Overall Irene is just Ch'En but better since nowadays almost every enemy has over 200 def. Sadge but fitting for our moody blue