Iron Hands Land A Praetor

[@jaegerbomb269]

First Iron Warriors finally got something, now Iron Hands. Hopefully Salamanders and Raven Guard are next. One can hope.

[@f4lenwarrior]

Feels like a slow/lazy time for GW it's been an entire day without a tank release....

[@Dripstodes]

forgot about world eaters smh

[@Omega1907]

I hope and fear for a Salamanders praetor ... on the one hand I'd love one for my green boys, but on the other hand I fear one, because I have no idea what they would come up with. That and I somehow dislike the new MkIII armour, for my liking it's to much sculpted and doesn't look like there are just additional plates over a standard power armour (but that's personal opinion of course). That said, I would probably bet on one in MkIII, which in theory is fine and fitting with all the close range fetishes the sallies have :)

[@racerguy180]

All I want in an 18th legion praetor is it to be larger than Fafnir and in very very artificer MKII. I'm prepared to be horribly let down but "dems da breaks"

[@paulyg405]

@@Omega1907 I don't think they'll be getting one because the rumoured vs box with Iron Warriors is supposed to have a multi part praetor. Could be wrong, but that's what I remember from all the rumour dumps

[@CyrodiilCome]

He looks like he designed his armor himself. Extra gadgets and what not. Which fits since he's an iron hand

[@williamtimonen6814]

Only 9 more characters to catch up with the Imperial Fists!

[@williamtimonen6814]

My thing with the pose is that it looks very posy? As if his over half is looking to the right into the distance. But his lower half is in very much a default pose because the propaganda cameraman is just taking a picture of the over half.

[@serarthurdayne9490]

Great model. Iron Hands players will be thrilled with this.

[@kenandersson4421]

As one of those I can confirm this XD

[@thewayfarer8849]

Busy, but looks like the sculptor undeniably cared more about the Legion, making it definitely 30K Iron Hands and original. Looks better than the IW model, seems like there's more soul and the proportions are good. I would guess all the extra touches are mandated by GW, remove the cloak (why would an IH have one?) and the mechadendrites and it looks much better

[@Josco83]

My very first thought after looking it over. It is indeed busy, but the details all fit. It’s my favorite loyalist legion, and I’ve been sitting on a bunch of Forgeworld kits waiting for this moment. At last!

[@thewayfarer8849]

@@Josco83 lots of lore love is given to the Iron Hands in this era, I hope you really enjoy it!

[@bertholdbach4959]

They missed the Rock, wtf GW? He looks Iron Hand-y. Him being full with mechanical parts and cables fits.

[@gilbertzzz7110]

WTF?! KZbin not only autotranslated the video title but placed an portuguese AI voice (brazilian here), for the video. . . ohh shit, i can smell the forced censorship coming...

[@sonicwingnut]

Yeah as soon as I saw it I thought "Mac is gonna think this is too busy" but I also thought I bet the paint job will have a lot to do with that, so pretty good take on it there I'd say. As a model I really like it - shame it's resin because it'l be hella expensive and harder to kitbash but otherwise it'd be a good techmarine or a good forge lord for any legion with some changes to the iconography.

[@arcanuke3294]

Whoever painted this and said I'm gonna put hazard stripes on the cables is a little bit nuts. This is not a model you paint extra detail onto.

[@VallornDeathblade]

The only part I don't like is the little spider servo skull, the rest is entirely on-brand for Iron Hands. I especially like the way the leg is integrated into the power armour at the top and then has the splayed drednought shaped foot at the bottom.

[@sonicwingnut]

@@VallornDeathblade Yeah I actually missed that at first somehow! It is explained in the article - "A skulking cyber-familiar lurks on his shoulder, a lesser haemonculite wired directly into its operator's neural centre. It acts as an extension of his will and senses, improving his ability to avoid or deflect incoming attacks." However let's get real here that's a freaking servo skull. I'd hope it's a seperate part you can put on optionally as then you can remove it and I dunno use it for some 40k or necromunda stuff where it belongs.

[@michaelhoule2134]

Umm resin is easy to convert... I like the model. About time the IH got some love.

[@adamprusik966]

These new preators and consuls are looking great, finally forgeworld is designing very pretty minis with their new aesthetic

[@Bifstak]

Hey Macca, Iron Warriors player here. Gonna gently convert and paint this, I'll send you the result.

[@combatwombat2134]

I think this guy's absolutely great. I scratch built two of my own to join the two kits I had and this guy will be a nice further edition. Cyber familiar is neat, too. Busy is good, accurate and standout on a table in a group.

[@edwardaugustus9680]

2024 has been a good year for the Iron Hands, one of the best in all honesty. Horus Heresy gets 2 new models, Legions Imperialis gets a formation and a lot of lore, Black Library gives a bunch of stories. 2024 has been good eats.

[@greendalf123]

He is kinda busy, but isn’t that sort of the point of the legion specific praetors? To really put in their legions vibe and go all out?

[@elijah260]

I feel like with the oily paint scheme of the old iron hands paint scheme, like on the gorgons, it’ll work very well. It’s very busy and very detailed, but I feel like he’d lead my Medusan immortals well

[@adeptuspotatocus6451]

He looks a lot like the 40k Skitarii Marshal, both in the pose and the facemask. He even has a servo skull over his left shoulder.

[@thewayfarer8849]

Fingers crossed for RG and Salamanders. As a Dark Angels fan we don't need anything more, but I absolutely love the early Black Books lore for those Legions and they need as big a range as anyone due to their presence in so HH theatres.

[@nicholassinnett2958]

Had the exact same reaction when I saw it last night. Glad to see Iron Hands getting this, but there's a lot of visual noise from all the different types of metallics, so I can't tell if I like it or think it's too busy. Seeing it painted with more matte paints might help.

[@tichepotato7992]

I legit didn't see the cyberfamiliar until you pointed it out, my brain just didn't parse it amongst all the other gubbins.

[@morgymomo8535]

I love it, definitely overdesigned, and that power Fist looks... off. But I'm very pleased we got a decent model for a legion that actually needs it. Hopefully, we will get salamanders soon!

[@PaTrickRTreat]

It looks great.

[@izaakkemp8938]

This would make a great Imperial Fist and/or Sons of Horus Praetor

[@taxllax2104]

Add to the busy point, I want to see the backpack. It looks like it also has a ton of whacky details

[@nickheffernan123]

Now that's a nice mini..

[@benjaminbrenner745]

Happy for the Iron Hands!

[@sagacity1071]

Painting the cables a single colour would greatly reduce the business.

[@johnphillips5965]

Seeing these models is making me hopeful for the heresy releases in 2025, when i saw there was going to be a release every month i assumed it would be some half arsed character or consul for each legion, but the fact these are coming out now makes me think they might have something else coming instead

[@reinhardtc.p]

boring ass tanks

[@Watch-CaptainAlain]

He sounds like a more palatable version of Constantine Valdor, and the resulting silhouette actually looks ok, unlike Mr. Bardiche. Totally agree that some of those parts could really be better used elsewhere in the army, and I wonder if that wasn’t the intent (Legions don’t typically get upgrade kits in the same way 40K chapters do). Only part that doesn’t excite me is the helmet. Doesn’t look anything like Mk3, and I can’t recall seeing anything like it before. Maybe some old Death Guard art? Definitely need to see it in a couple different, simpler paint jobs. These last few Heresy characters have looked exceptionally busy.

[@VallornDeathblade]

I don't know who thought painting a bunch of hazard stripes onto tiny cables was a good idea but it really didn't help the model.

[@jakubgodlewski9104]

Reverse-Frankensteining this guy sounds like an awesome idea. Also the model is really great, probably my fav of the latest trio.

[@buckethead5454]

I'm very happy to hear about somebody else enjoying hiking it's one of my other hobbies

[@kenandersson4421]

I will get this and it will probably become a praevian and other conversions fodder. Overall I like it a lot.

[@ero9841]

I really dig this alot it looks like alot of old iron hands artwork. I'll be honest I'm really tired of thunder hammers. Would of preferred an axe but hey fist will work.

[@heresyhobbyist]

need to see norrison crusoe paint this before I decide if I think its too busy or not

[@mosmaiorum9452]

He would make a great tech Marine conversion for my firstborn chapter, get a new back pack and new weapons it would be great 👍

[@notknightbean]

Happy iron hand noises

[@meatbasedveteran]

I love the cyber familair

[@RazielLordOfSecrets]

A few tweaks with the arm such as replacing the power fist with the one thats pointing would giving him a more commanding pose. Leather straps painted metal would make it look less busy. It's like a pollock painting very busy on a bland mini.

[@MrKrazyKap]

Bit of cankle action but looks fairly solid

[@Eta_Carinae__]

Oh, I was almost definitely using this for a Warpsmith. I think the busy-ness actually works for that. Wrt. the hammer too, I've been uhmming and aahing over it. My opinion is that as a hammer, it's fine - not ideal, but not terrible. It shouldn't be on that model. That kills it for me.

[@ivanivanovic5586]

With a few swaps, this could work for iron warriors too. Bare head better, yes. There's a bit of loss on the details - the numeral x looks more like a white version of black widow's signature marking, and the gauntlet on belt looks like its fingers have been crushed. Gun looks good. One thing about the pose - looks like gw copied one of those limited edition primaris captain pose(the white-armored ultramarine successor, only he had a plasma pistol instead of grav).

[@teenytinymaracas33]

I see getting this and the Siege breaker and servo grav pistol and basically swapping the arms between the two for a praetor organising the Battlefield and a gravitat.

[@caiustarquitius]

I think it is mostly painted way to busy, cabling metal tones etc. But yeah, that´s rather a good base for two models.

[@arcanuke3294]

Parts of this are gonna make a lovely moritat with the lenses and the grav pistol.

[@AgostinoManea]

Overall I like it... maybe too much but still overall works nicely

[@rutgaurxi7314]

Doesn't need the servo skull or mechandrakes, seems more useful for bits conversion fodder than anything else.

[@Mittens_Gaming]

I like this guy, hes a bit busy, yes, but overall it looks nice. He suffers from ugly ass helmet syndrom, in my opinion, but over all i would say this is an 8/10 for me.

[@loltwest9423]

Looks like there’s too sharp of a contrast going on with the metallics. It doesn’t help that there’s a volumetric highlighting going on with this guy, and that they chose a metallic color for said highlight. It all results in a miniature that looks far busier than it actually is. With all the breaks in the armor it just makes it all stand out. I would’ve gone for something a lot easier on the eyes because I’m not gonna lie, my eyes hurt looking at this thing.

[@nicholassinnett2958]

That was my thinking. The metallic paints create a lot more visual noise than there really is, and they make up the majority of the paint job. Honestly, the oily black iron scheme they decided on for 30K IHs is a cool idea, but it can make detailed minis look muddy if you're not really careful. It's why part of me wishes they'd just kept them black.

[@edwardgates4090]

Honestly I think building him without the mechadendrites would make it better

[@Balevolt]

I kinda like it except the Head

[@GarethMurphy40k]

I really like it but agrre that its too busy. If i was building it as is id definitely try tone it down, both with the paint job and by changing heads and leaving bits out where possibly when building. Might pick it up for some conversion fodder though!

[@jw7500]

I really like this model actually, but I do agree it's a more busy one. All the edge highliting and NMM on the trim here, while painted well, is not the greatest of compositions. I personally think that with a decently more muted (and weathered) scheme will make this look fantastic. Keep most of it darker and bright lensen and some small parts of (NMM) reflective metal.

[@samwiserando]

i like it, but it does remind me of the skitarii marshal in power armour.

[@AKRex]

I would use bare head for this model and maybe helmeted one for a squad sergeant or smth.

[@MephilesRider]

What the heck - my video is in german... WHERE IS MY MAAAAACCAAAA

[@Kenneth-k3b]

I agree that if you split off the parts to other characters it'd be better. All the parts are good, just not on one model.

[@stunistus]

Would prefer another SoH character thh

[@Arjac1312]

Going to use it in my 40k sons of medusa army and change some things out. Not a fan of the spider servo at all

[@SerbianLifter997]

this might just be me, but did the iron hands go full bore into their bionics so heavily during the period this model is supposed to be set in? He looks as modified as a 40k era IH, not what I would expect from a 30k character.

[@f4lenwarrior]

I'd hate having to cut this up to use it for parts, it is just far too busy, same as the last couple of releases... Too much useless bling even for Praetors

[@phillipcorrie1503]

Its not leather straps ya dope, its bionics. They used a deep brass to break up the monochrome color palate. I personally would have used a brighter copper or even gold to break the colors up, but its GW's call. Would have preferred not a power fist and a grav pistol, but hey. Its something right? The cyber spider on his shoulder is neat, and a welcome change from the constant cyber skulls.

[@TheOuterCircle]

It's straps, all the new MK III marines have them, it's just extra pronounced on this guy due to the contrast.

[@phillipcorrie1503]

@TheOuterCircle no, they dont, and those are bionics. Once you get the model you can verify it.

[@janesrz3994]

Dare I hope to see a World Eaters Praetor before 2026?

[@jasonpeacock9735]

Hope is the first step in the road to disappointment

[@Notachupacabra]

The pose on this one looks a bit feminine. If the left arm is shaved and brought closer to the body it would look better. For my iron warriors I'd have to cut all that iron hands stuff off and I'd completely replace the left army with another arm with a power axe to make it look more brutal.

[@01oo011]

Can’t say I’m a fan. There are some good things about it but overall it’s way too busy. Should’ve taken hints from the Cataphractii Iron Father or the FW MKIII squad.

[@taxllax2104]

Also, what's with the crab-monstrosity on his shoulder? I really hope that's optional

[@nukedukem4260]

It's a cyberfamiliar

[@lordnaton6492]

Goddamn it, KZbin intoduced a new AI feature where they add a translated robot voice and I didn´t notice. Why would TOC upload a video in German voiced over by a bot? I dont know. Did I think it was a funny gag by Macca? Yes.

[@willsham45]

It's definatly is not winning any awards for the pose. It feels close to the t pose. A little twist in the hip, add more weight to one foot.

[@joseffjones4575]

I'm not a fan of it, feels like it fits 40k more than HH to me, would be better if he had a thunder hammer or an axe similar to the gorgon terminators, and lose the cloak, IH suit better with more plain looking.

[@user-gy7jx3tk9k]

Too bad its resin 😢

[@michaelsblyth]

It is copy/paste of 40k skitarii marshall

[@bradintazz]

Way too busy imo, but not quite sure why I don't like it exactly, almost like it's such a visual overload I do agree, someone else painting it more subdued it'd probably look better Hate whatever it is hanging off the cape and the helmet is awful Positively, the bare head is actually great and yes, it's definitely going to be a wealth of conversion pieces

[@VallornDeathblade]

I like the helmet, the cape is a bit too much, and I think the spider servo skull throws off the silhouette. I think whoever chose to paint hazard stripes all over the cables didn't do this model any favours, and the 'leather straps' painted bronze or brass to go with some of the trim would look better with all the rest of the metal.

[@bradintazz]

​@@VallornDeathblade that spider servo skull I'm definitely not a fan off

[@sweden4thewin]

I'm not an Iron Hands enjoyer, but this Praetor looks really good to me.

[@Eta_Carinae__]

You know, I've put my finger on something about the last two praetors, and I guess some concurrent releases GW has done that kind of irk me: There isn't any more storytelling done with these minis. So often these just feel like GW said "hey, what can we do that's stereotypically Iron Warrior or Iron Hand" without thinking about what these characters would actually be like. Why does the Warsmith have knock-off artificer armour, when (I'm pretty sure; I'm a big IW simp) that is just straight unprecedented in lore? Why would this Praetor have all these bionics? Is that typical of Iron Hands? I understand he's exalted for them, but these are minis that represent an average or typical marine in that station, not a caricature.

[@SteelStorm33]

pretty acceptable, too much detail. imagine painting a picture, ad more and more diffferent colours, at some point they become one single colour. the same here, there is so much detail, that it looks like no detail.

[@georgehalsey1389]

0:47 😂 Sorry Mac but the IH hammer reminds me of a colossal weapon from Souls games, and thus I imagine the guy swinging it around like my elden ring character does. That is cool. I know it's completely silly but oh well. So you are half right about the 'anime/looter shooter rabbit hole' 😂

[@benjaminjones2956]

Is someone at GW actually listening for once? 😅

[@NapoleonicWargaming]

You're so desperate not to like it. It's kinda cringe bro.

[@krilc]

..He said, talking to himself before clicking on each and every Outer circle vid the second they drop?

[@NapoleonicWargaming]

@@krilc i'm chuckle watching at this point

[@Sarkhamy]

I hate this thing. I love this for my iron hands players and their boring ass legion but this is way too much. If the chest was all we saw, maybe the extra ppl plates on the armor But still oh that but mechadendrites and a little friend and then more bionics more bionics and cables for said bionics. The bare head is much better

[@SerbianLifter997]

this might just be me, but did the iron hands go full bore into their bionics so heavily during the period this model is supposed to be set in? He looks as modified as a 40k era IH, not what I would expect from a 30k character.