Iron Menace Review | New for 2024 B&M Dive Coaster at Dorney Park

[@chrisogrady28]

6:13 was a "we have themeing at home" moment

[@04taylorj]

Underrated comment 😂

[@wickedsickfunkyfreshroller2037]

I don't usually care for theming and I don't think it adds anything to a ride experience. But why even do it if it looks like crap? That literally just looks stupid.

[@Millsy1033]

B&M was once a byword for smoothness. I hope they don’t let themselves slip away from that.

[@maxhagenauer24]

I think they have gone a bit of a cheaper route by buying cheaper steel because the price of steel increased so much. I don't know of that is the issue of the roughness but it's very sad to hear from the most reliable roller coaster manufacturer.

[@rollercoasterheaven2170]

Yeah

[@jonny-b4954]

@@maxhagenauer24 Nahhh, most roughness nowadays comes from the trains. And B&M has always overbuilt their trains and has the best chassis in the industry. B&M has never been a discount manufacturer, always the premium one. So, I don't see them really trying to save money like that. Just increase the price and they have their 2-3 jobs they take on every year no matter what. I'd say it's just because of the train design. They may have been making cut backs there, or trying to streamline/lighten it. Maybe to compensate for the floors that are now on the train instead of a floor in station that lowers? So they weakened support elsewhere to compensate for weight? Who knows. That bump at the end turn though has to be a defect.

[@maxhagenauer24]

@@jonny-b4954 Then why is this train so rough on this ride?

[@jonny-b4954]

@@maxhagenauer24 Well, like I mentioned "I'd say it's just because of the train design (of the smaller dive coaster trains.) They may have been making cut backs in steel thickness there, or trying to streamline/lighten it. Maybe to compensate for the floors that are now on the train instead of a floor in station that lowers? So they weakened support elsewhere to compensate for weight?"

[@PennsylvaniaRollercoasterClub]

I truly appreciate the fair and incredibly honest review. It's the only way to be.

[@rabooey]

That top view is so short yet ~so~ nice. Picture perfect . Would love to see a return to Dorney Park after the greenery goes/grows around this coaster. A 4k pic would go right into my PC desktop wallpaper folder, just like this one did.👍

[@CoasterStudios]

more footage on a clear blue sky day after the foliage grows in would be beautiful!

[@jonny-b4954]

1:54 Wow, I never realized they actually had a shock system to catch the train before going off the track at the peak of the spike. Interesting.

[@cookierl7522]

me neither, i always thaought that if it went to far you'd come off with a bad headache 😄

[@bocahdongo7769]

Mandatory on any launch coaster.

[@jasonelston2707]

My home parks are Cedar Point and Kings Island. If there was any park that deserved a new coaster, it was Dorney Park. I am so happy for them!

[@Yikes_its_Psychs]

2:30 hope Dorney can re-name and re-theme Possessed to fit. Maybe add some bits of steel-working themeing throughout the area between the two coasters. I think that would help a lot.

[@AFCompany]

Possessed will be rethemed and repainted within the next two years but will not be renamed as it fits the paranormal vibe of the area. The holding brake will also be operational again when it opens with the retheme.

[@nesmanmain0001]

Where did you hear this? I don't doubt you, just would like to know.

[@AFCompany]

@@nesmanmain0001 I have been consuming non stop Dorney content 😂. Ryan Eldridge has talked about it. He said there are a lot of things they want to do in the park but they can only really do one at a time and that Possessed is on the list to be rethemed in the next couple years and that they will look at fixing the holding brake at that time as well. He said the name wouldn’t change though. They have a lot of other good things planned also.

[@nesmanmain0001]

@@AFCompany Awesome! Hopefully we see it get some love sooner than we expect!!!

[@KatieKatDuzArt]

That’s exactly what I was thinking! They start the theming so early for the restaurant and Possessed feels so out of place now. It would be great to add more theming and maybe a rename there

[@krissampsell3223]

I got to ride Iron Menace last Saturday and I agree with your review. The elements are all great and I love that the pacing brings one right after another. I did notice slight rattles in certain spots but they didn’t bother me. The jolt at the end is concerning but not towards riders getting hurt as it’s not painful at all. I worried what it will do to the train and track over time. Hopefully it will get corrected by the beginning of next year at the latest. Overall it’s great coaster and I’m happy my home park finally got a new coaster.

[@ThrillReport]

At 6:57 I believe this is because the vests are are more top-heavy than the OTSRs, making the ride more rough. This is just speculation, but it is the best explanation I can think of.

[@joao.spegiorin]

One of the most interesting things I saw about this coaster is that it features a 48" tall rider requirement, while the other newer dive machines are all 52"+, so definitely a plus to increase the number of people able to ride it! Looks like a great coaster, happy for Dorney!

[@ultimatechickenhorsesweat2614]

Very happy by this addition. We haven’t gotten anything since I was a kid and I don’t really go to Dorney anymore but I’ll def be going this summer to try this out

[@mr.noride7226]

8:14 Hey! At least we got a meme out of it lol!

[@Joe-ne6rl]

Definitely a prefect fit... had the longest line in the park when I went, and the rattle was barely noticeable to me (the jolt at the end is weird but not painful) Im just happy my home park got some love and an ORIGINAL coaster is the cherry on top

[@nenblom]

I can’t wait to try it! ❤❤

[@EftelingCoasterfreak]

5:41 Flying Apsaras in Western Region (china) and Baron 1898 have this too.

[@brianhunberger7905]

As Dorney is my home park and I have 15 rides already and agree with all your comments

[@stormy7083]

First visit was today, and I completely agree with you on the “roughness” on the edges. It feels like it’s “clunking”, in a way, on a few of the elements. It’s kind of like a pothole on a Gerstlaur. The worst of it is, as you mentioned, on the turn into the brake run. Hopefully they fix this before it causes issues…

[@maxhagenauer24]

Very cool the themeing route they went with, its a lot for a park like this. Usually Cedar Fair parks don't care about those things that much.

[@justinzorn7835]

I would love to see Possessed get some new paint with the track remaining yellow and the supports painted black. Hopefully they could put some theming in que line as well.

[@gracefulcedrman1518]

I hope they do something fpr other parks like Valley Fair or Michigan's Adventure, they really need something good like this

[@TheSirenSeeker]

Valleyfair’s time is coming soon, I’d expect 2026.

[@billchief397]

​@TheSirenSeeker omg no sh@t! I still have my onride photo from 2007 the last coaster they built....and no delirium is not a coaster ha

[@heyitsmaggiexxo]

i heard valley is next after CW n KL

[@carysage]

Michigan's Adventure is my home park. Getting weird signals there. Every year I'm pleasantly surprised by how much work they are doing to renovate the park. Then I'm shocked by how much more they trim from the labor budget. Why renovate if the guests still have a bad experience because of a barely trained skeleton crew? Makes me think they're about to sell it.

[@billchief397]

@carysage yes valleyfair is mine and feel like they keep enough on hand hopefully more employees at parks this year...it sucks when I went to worlds of fun and most of employees acted like they were in a prison camp...

[@brybryguy6314]

So. Dorney is a homepark of mine. I finally was able to get on this. 3 times in all three rows. My thoughts. Its a good soild ride, perfect for Dorney as Dorney is not a large scale park. It has great pacing and i love there is no mid course break. Themeing is great but the ride operators are now back in usual cedar fair uniform just fyi. I think that was only for the opening week they where dressed as iron workers. It does have a pothole during that wrap around though and its a little rought through the inclined loop. Besides that its a solid ride. FYI before anyone asks and i seen this commemt before on why Dorney didn't expand it or expand behind iron menace and steel force. Reason, the park is in Whitehall township and city ordinance state that every paved area on your property you need to have equal parts grass. Its stupid but why Dorney cant develop towards the back of the park.

[@OklahomaCoasterFan]

That entrance into the brake run makes me think of Raptor's entrance into the brake run. On Raptor, my head pinballs between the bricks next to our head if I don't brace for it. I am a fan of the vest restraints for the no-headbanging, however, it does seem that there's something to the design of B&M's vest restraints that make it more likely to rattle, even when brand new.

[@bradymartin9055]

i think the new b&m rattle / shake is from the new seats being a lot less heavy then the old seat and restraints design, the same reason why the intamin single rails have a rattle.

[@MR.GreenBird]

for me, I can't stop drawing parallels between this and Baron 1898. everything from the similar theme (goldmine being haunted by spirits & haunted steel mill) to the layout. both don't have a turn around. the first 3 elements are similar but just bigger on menace immelman, zero-g roll and then a helix/inclined loop. this feels like the US' version of Baron. ofcourse baron blows Menace out of the water in therms of theming but it feels similar.

[@dougyeager6812]

I worked Disney Attractions for 9 years so I appreciate theming

[@DoomSlug78]

9:26 100% agree, Yukon's ending is just really slow and they could of definitely made the end better

[@mondobizarrro5468]

Id love to see more inclined loops on roller coasters in general tbh

[@IRDeady]

Once the grass comes in and the get some lighting I bet the steel pile looks cooler. Also I'm guessing it's the smaller track that reduces the smoothness.

[@ThrillRider247]

Now it's our time next.. hashtag vf invert 💯💯🔥👌👌😁😁

[@DiaryofaRollerCoasterGirl]

I've heard/read that there's been some senior staff leave B&M with a new bunch of people taking over stuff... I mean I have no idea if that's trus or not, but one things for certain, there has definitely been a shift in the quality of their coasters. Nemesis now has a very unusual rattle and makes a lot of interesting noises when it slows down in the turns.

[@TheCoasterSpot]

The uniforms were just for media day. They were gone last weekend for ride previews.

[@CoasterStudios]

well dang thats sad

[@Logan-hb7uf]

Omg theme park chain fiction lore exists now 😂 we need a show that tells all the stories

[@fin5_13]

I believe they are adding shade structures to the queue line

[@CivilianSatellite]

Iron Menace is further a great theme for Dorney because of Lehigh Valley's extensive history in the steel industry. This, plus the other tie-ins with Cedar Fair's themeing, it's impressive how much thought was put into the story of the ride.

[@brybryguy6314]

Yes this is exactly why Dorney went with that themeing.

[@pleasurebeachthrills2693]

Coasters that shake your around are the best around and adds to the experience. I personally find rides where you don’t move quite boring

[@maxhagenauer24]

It doesn't look like Dr Diabolical but I would compare it most to Emperor. Its kind of short but it has no mid course brake run so its a longer whole ride than other dive's first half that do have a mid course.

[@JosephWelte]

I really hope they get that ;jolt; fixed before it caused issues with the track and trains.

[@edt-ze3ke]

I can't imagine this being the joltiest B&M created yet if it was actually ment to be that. We've had B&M's that have a rattle and now we have them jolting for no reason at all

[@Onion742]

The CFCU is real

[@venzy215]

Lol without traffic just have to go thru D.C. Baltimore and Philly. Hold my beer

[@appalachiancoasters2242]

I've noticed that candymonium at Hersheypark has gotten a few jolts on the ending turn around the kisses fountain.

[@wickedsickfunkyfreshroller2037]

No it doesn't. That ride is glass smooth.

[@panda72418]

It reminds me completely of Baron at Efteling. Wonder how you would compare the two?

[@officialchase02]

That’s what I was thinking

[@NostalgicPenguin]

do you think the reason for the bad ending is because there's no helix or any filler track to properly transition into that ending?

[@coastingalong]

that definitely could be an issue considering it flys into the break run at a higher speed than most dives

[@LMJIDDU]

Hey Taylor did you guys attend media Day for Top Thrill 2???

[@misterkenova6695]

Nice review. This or emperor at Seaworld SD? Cheers!

[@CoasterStudios]

We like Emperor more

[@DOODLES31]

@@CoasterStudios that was all I came to this video for let’s go emperor!!

[@justinzorn7835]

Hopefully after this addition we see a gravity group wooden roller coaster!

[@brybryguy6314]

Probably not. Dorney has ran out of room.

[@Raging_Red_Bulls]

Should have gotten a B&M and they did baby!!!!!!!!

[@RYMAN1321]

Took them nearly 20 years but yes, finally.

[@brianschulz7833]

I’d be curious to hear how people stack this up against Emperor. IMO, Emperor is the absolute gold standard for pacing on a dive coaster, and Iron Menace seems to be in a similar spot-though I personally found Emperor glass smooth, so that might give it the edge.

[@AlexA00]

Taylor definitely prefers Emperor. Check out his review on it.

[@znul]

Of the 2 B&Ms I’ve ridden in socal, I find Silver Bullet smoother than Emperor, even though SB is much older

[@ryanpiotrowski2353]

That's my home park yeah

[@carysage]

With that jolt at the end they should've called it Pegasus.

[@jondaltonpayne2251]

What is your favorite Dorney Coaster? I was there yesterday. I weakly so Talon.

[@huspy8168]

I think I know what causes that issue at the end of the track and it’s a maneuver B&M has done since it’s inception and should have been accounted for. When the train starts leveling out laterals forces are introduced, and when these laterals are introduced it seems like the train absolutely can’t handle the sudden shock of the forces. All that energy transfers from the wheels to the riders and bam you have a very bad jolt. The only way I see this fixed is B&M developing new trains or increasing the strength of the springloaded wheels, but that’s my theory.

[@coasternut3091]

Now if only Michigan's Adventure could get one

[@ernestoalejandrojuradoagui4824]

You can put English subtitles to the video ?

[@CoasterStudios]

click the closed captions button and captions should appear!

[@thedutchstreamking]

The chain is the same as on BARON in the efteling

[@officialchase02]

Ikr

[@tigovanrooij9926]

Theme is almost the same too🤭

[@officialchase02]

@@tigovanrooij9926 yeah just a bigger version of Baron

[@fantaorange1356]

So, your favorite coaster at Dorney is Talon right?

[@heyitsmaggiexxo]

Yukon striker is pre smooth actually

[@haiderodes]

Knotts has land-specific ride op uniforms.

[@CoasterStudios]

good point!

[@ducksfan_1149]

RANK THE DIVES PLEASE

[@Cccoast]

This and hydra? I think it’s the team they use to build their coasters.

[@honestabe16]

You should do coastin through Africa next

[@anonymous_preferred7737]

I feel like a lot of brand new steel coasters opening today are rough. Even new B&M coasters are getting rough. I feel like manufacturers are skimping out on smoothness with isn't ok, especially if parks plan on keeping the rides for decades to come. It's sad honestly.

[@MrProy33]

Curious: What is a "dive coaster"?

[@CoasterStudios]

a model from manufacturer B&M featuring 3 across wide body trains that hold you over the edge of a vertical drop before releasing you

[@rollercoasterheaven2170]

Sometime in May I’ll finally be riding this it’s a shame that it’s already shaking

[@YesItsEpic]

That moment at the end is definitely a profiling issue or and error with the tack design.

[@NathanHydra]

Since European coasters are never picked as the best new coaster of the year this is probably gonna be chosen as the best new coaster of 2024 by the golden ticket awards

[@CoasterStudios]

I don't know about that, I could 100% see Voltron winning best new coaster of 2024

[@NathanHydra]

@@CoasterStudios either Voltron or Hyperia deserves to win 100%. Yet Gotham City escape wasn’t even in the top 5 last year, it was under Zambezi zinger and big bear mountain. In 2021 Texas Stingray and condymonium made it into the top 5 over ride to happiness. In the past 5 years only 2 out of 20 rollercoasters appearing in the best new rollercoaster category are from Europe, 1 was from Canada and the rest are all US. And that’s a competition that claims to have no bias towards any countries.

[@SpezyCoasters]

I think this is the layout baron should have gotten

[@ryanleeuwis1602]

3:14 baron 1898 on a budget ??

[@coasterfair2602]

I’m shocked that it makes Taylor grey out 😱

[@Banner16]

Where’s the intro?

[@majornugzzz5424]

Wait a tic.. At 5:30 you mentioned a "lift walk" I've rode coasters for almost 30 years and this is the first I've heard. Enlighten me. Please.

[@CoasterStudios]

A lift walk is when you climb up the lift hill in a guided tour from the park

[@SlimFury]

I like that Dorney paid homage to the PA steel industry. The jolt could be the park paying homage to PA's bad roads. We are unofficially called the Pothole State.

[@CoasterStudios]

LOL

[@maverickheartlineroll]

as a pennsylvanian i agree

[@Yonel6969]

Yeah b&m now has seemingly decreased in quality. Part of me thinks its the track. others say its the trains. But with pipeline, nemesis reborn and now this having rattle complaints its probably the new norm for b&m

[@AceAviations2]

To be fair to Pipeline, it's a prototype with first-of-its-kind trains, so there are likely some issues that need to be ironed out with the model. Future installations will likely iron out some of the kinks it has. Also Nemesis/Reborn is known for being very intense, so that could cause some issues.

[@yes4956]

​@@AceAviations2 reborns rattle Is only really on the final turn, when it's not really intense. And it's quite a bad rattle. Luckily it's only on the final turn so it doesn't really take away from the ride experience

[@AFCompany]

I rode Pipeline last July and don’t recall there being any rattle it was pretty smooth. However Kraken was so terribly rough that I blacked out on the first drop. I think floorless coasters just get rough over time however I think the rattle that is apparent on new B&Ms is due to the change in the type of steel being used.

[@CoasterCore297]

Was gonna say. Nemesis Reborn I think is down to the trains. They are not brand new but instead refurbished. Mandrill Mayhem is another newer B&M that is horrific ride quality

[@danblanchfield4918]

Orlando local here who has been riding Pipeline probably more than someone should lol - Pipeline actually doesn’t have a rattle in the way it tracks, it instead has a rattle directly in the seats/restraints. If your feet are flat there is zero vibration but the shell of the seats you can see vibrating. I did get to do Dr. D and it was pretty bouncy for a new ride, so I do agree that the quality has gone downhill. It’s unfortunate because Sheikra remains glossy glossy smooth.

[@AG7-MTM]

How on EARTH did B&M manage to put that pothole in? I hope it's not the standard-size track (7 seats is the maximum width to use the same track as other B&M rides)

[@davidnevolo4402]

Im curious if ride manufacturers are making lighter weight trains these days.... maybe they used to be steel and fiberglass and now theyre aluminum? Literally speculation no idea whats happening but i have noticed SO MUCH MORE SHUFFLING on all new rides lately. This coaster and top thrill 2, for example. Compare ttd and tt2 off ride footage... the old intamin trains did not rattle left and right. Maybe there are less points of contact between the train and the seat, so vibrations are amplified? Again, no idea. Eventually b and m will have to put those shock obsorbers from the new standup model/surf coaster in every seat

[@Nicklmeyer]

Love how everyone compares this to Diabolical’s. Hot take, but Emperor is way better than both of them.

[@AlexA00]

Check out the Emperor review :)

[@DOODLES31]

Heck yeah

[@lightningboat]

2:45 cedar fair universe 💀

[@fritzbaden8085]

I think B&M outsources the construction. They just do the design.

[@CoasterStudios]

The track and supports are manufactured by Clermont Steel Fabricators, and then from there Dorney Park hires someone to put the ride together.

[@inlinechris]

I actually enjoyed dr diabolical more than shiekra so I bet I will like iron menace as well

[@NathanaelErik]

Its definitely rough, and that turn into the brake run is horrible. Hope they try to fix it.

[@TylerMastropieri]

Talons his #1

[@yahuahisall4332]

Lets be honest. Great that Dorney finally got some love but Menace isn't still the powerhouse this park needs. A Multi Launch back where Dinosaurs Alive would be that Headliner Dorney needs.

[@Cr4ZyCaptain]

it is quite weird how most of these new b&ms have some kind of rattle or jolts, b&m must have changed something with how they manufacture there rides recently, and its weird because they used to be known for smoothness.

[@Evan_21222]

I think that they have gotten rough after they re designed the floor.

[@8675309858]

I mean the ending could be worse It could be Pegasus at Mt Olympus 🤷‍♂️😂

[@mythicgamingmk1105]

B&M makes a bad coaster like vortex every now and then but most of their rides are butter smooth and RMC makes glass smooth rides

[@xtlm]

This park used to have Hercules. Ain't no way this coaster is "Rough" lol

[@tigerrocks503]

Or Jerkules as some would nick name it.

[@enthusiastJD]

Intro?

[@davidnevolo4402]

Per that last turn, i think its just a strong lateral. Like the helix into the break run isnt smooth and aligned and you can see the track have to go left to compensate for overshooting the turn so to speak. On wildcats revenge, those moments of laterals are fun. Here, it causes concern. Which is odd because i have always complained thay b and ms are getting too boring and graceful. I miss the 90s intensity, whip, quick transitions. But as soon as a b and m has some bite, we all get confused and dont like it.

[@CoasterStudios]

it is possible to have strong laterals without a jolt like that.

[@davidnevolo4402]

@@CoasterStudios maybe they can reprofile it so that the train doesnt level put until after its in the straight track

[@GOEAGLES2018]

They put a roof over the que

[@chopkix]

When you think about it 20 years without a new coaster added in a cedar fair property is insane 🤦

[@MrPatrickbuit]

Dive coasters will never not be mid

[@coastingalong]

😂

[@teddym2808]

What on Earth is going on with B&M? They were literally KNOWN as the kings of smoothness. I mean I can ride most Batman clones 20+ years later and they are glass smooth. What the heck?

[@WHOOOOOOOOCARES]

Graying out = roller coaster high

[@Coastervisuals98]

I'm sorry but are you not well? I genuinely don't understand how someone could greyout on this ride. There is no force at all. The only fun part is the jolt at the end.

[@stevenschiro1838]

Wait, let me guess. Drop, immelmann, drop, immelmann, helix, brakes

[@maverickheartlineroll]

drop, immelmann, 0g roll, tilted loop, corkscrew, turn, brakes

[@seanl8930]

This ride will probably go down to fix the design flaws for a few weeks this summer. But damn for a new coaster to be jolty....idk

[@ScottyMania313]

Question - Does Coaster Studios have a dress code? I noticed everyone wearing khakis and a shirt with the logo. Also I heard the term "pop" at the end, as a reference to the GP, lol. As much as I laughed, I do see ties to a certain National Socialism party......and as a Democrat, I support yall 100% Praise Palestine! Release the Sarah Pair!!! Yeet Yeet

[@Evan_21222]

Its the Orion Dive Coaster

[@EmberMcLain87]

Won't be riding till 2027 sadly