Is $260 Mac Pro Trashcan STILL a PRO ?

[@CheatingSoi]

I got one of these last year. I’ve always wanted them despite the general hatred of them but they were always too expensive. But now the price has come down so much that you can easily pick on up for around the $300 range. I spent another $300 or so maxing everything out and it’s a fantastic machine! I use it as my daily computer. So perfectly capable of most day to day tasks and more. And it just looks cool.

[@jacksontrannguyen8424]

I have a Windows PC but never underestimate those Mac Pro before. Tbh a mini PC with high end spec and Xeon can’t be any cheaper.

[@NeonPixels81]

$600 for the amount of I/O and power this thing has isn't bad at all.

[@SpoonieDidWHAT]

I have a 2021 MacBook Pro, but for some reason I want a 2013 Mac Pro now...

[@IhorPushkar]

Just listen to your heart :)

[@macgamer1973]

I love my Mac Pro 2013 stock with AMD VEGA 56. Brought mine 450 in Grade A no scratches or dents

[@karimelbahloul3854]

@@macgamer1973is it worth getting the Mac Pro 2013 instead of buying m1 or m2 ?

[@macgamer1973]

@@karimelbahloul3854 I don't recommend the silicon computers due to no upgrading. get a Mac Pro 2013 or Mac Pro 2019. You don't want to be paying the Apple Tax

[@photo_n_art]

⁠@@karimelbahloul3854i have traded my M1 Mac Mini base config for almost top of the line 2013 Mac Pro. I own also M1 Macbook Air so having two almost identical M1 systems was redundant for me. Saying that the M1 Mini performancewise could run circles around the "Trashcan" but man it is so much more fun and looks like a pice of art compared to the boring Mac Mini. If you are on a budget and you need performance go for that M1 Mac Mini, if you like to tinker and don't mind occasional frustrations go for the "Trashcan"

[@rate733]

I got mine for $150 & it was fully decked with a 12 core cpu, 64 gb ram, 1tb hdd, and dual d700s. I installed macOS 15 via legacy core patcher and added new thermal compound. It flies and Im grateful to have it for my cad/3d printing needs.

[@IhorPushkar]

Man, that’s a steal ! Nice

[@rate733]

Thanks for this great video it just popped into our feed today. Have a good week.

[@nukenoly8751]

Got a 12 core D500 for $300 and it runs Logic Pro X beautifully with my six (6x$100) thunderbolt displays! Massive system for peanuts really

[@macgamer1973]

man I only running 2 thunderbolt and one 27" Apple LED Display connected to EGPU Radeon Vega 56. don't even have space 3 more. when come to Xcode , pro logic, FCP don't care about the times. As a kid had a Commodore 64/Amiga 1200 baud modem 50mhz so speed don't bother me.

[@LeGrandLife]

Are you able to run wave plugins with no problem? Also is it a great workstation for audio production

[@JohnDoe-ml1ui]

But... with the same "peanuts" you can get a Silicon mac which is faster... so.... Intel macs are essentially dead.

[@markwilson3326]

@@JohnDoe-ml1ui The benchmarks done in this video use the quad core CPU in the base model. The 12 core model will still have bad single core performance, but it actually is very similar to the M1.

[@volodymyrmatselyukh8808]

I got visual satissfaction during watching this video. Great work as usual. I like that comparison with Mac mini. That trash can Mac indeed looks awesome.

[@IhorPushkar]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@miniroll32]

Despite being conceptually flawed, the sign of a timeless design is if it ages well. And this thing looks modern even today.

[@DavidJBradshaw]

I”m still using one of these as a web dev box. Will likely hold on to it for at least another year and see what the M3 max studio is like. If anyone is thinking of buying one of these then my recommendation would be get one with D700s in it and don’t worry about the rest of the spec. Then upgrade it as follows 8 or 10 core CPU - the 12 is too slow at single core. 64Gb ram, it can go to 128gb, but only with slower memory The SSD can be upgraded to a later Apple version that was used in some MacBooks. You can also get an adaptor to you an M.2 SSD for even better speeds. Just make sure you get one with D700 GPUs, as upgrades are unobtainable.

[@inwedavid6919]

The D700 is also the one with highest failure rate due to heat, and note that Mac OS use only one D700 at a time while the same mac under windows can use both at the same time and deliver more performances. Before M series I knew and was a mac user under windows, and not using crapy bootcamp drivers it was a perfect world faster tham mac os and better design than most PC. And I was far to be alone on it.

[@macgamer1973]

you also have to remember the D500 and 700 has history of failure . I have D300 with a EGPU

[@MFEeee]

I love my Mac Pro. I maxed it out. When I bought it, it came with 128 gigs of ram. That dropped the speeds from the native 1866 to 1033. So I switched it to 64 gigs. I use RAM disk to do my video editing, rendering and converting. I get close to original video time when done rendering. Very satisfied with this beast. I know when I eventually buy Final Cut Pro the performance will be even greater

[@ranimungcal]

Your video editing are so satisfying!good work👍🏻

[@IhorPushkar]

Thanks !

[@anshdeo]

This is terrific! You're gonna be huge!

[@IhorPushkar]

Thanks !

[@JeanmarkRodriguez]

I run my recording studio with my Mac Pro 2013 12-Core 64GB ram with 500GB SSD and it runs fast and is great at working with heavy music production tasks. I had bought a Macbook Pro with the M1 Pro chip and it was lightning fast but because of stability reasons (Avid Pro Tools program) I had to go back to the 2013 Mac Pro. Since I’m running a business, stability and reliability is everything, hence why I had to go back but it was so worth it. I love my Mac Pro 2013. It would be nice to see you compare the 12 core version with 64gb ram vs your M1 Mac Mini. Great video 🙏🏼

[@IhorPushkar]

Thanks.

[@IhorPushkar]

I noticed that lots of companies are still using Mac Pro as stable machine and because there software is mapped to this machine. Apple in Uk is still selling Mac Pro 2013 refurbished for over $ 5k which is nonsense :)

[@SpaceBuckaroo]

I bought a Mac Pro 2013 with 2.7 12 core, 64GB Ram and Dual AMD D500's from OWC a couple years ago (New).

[@IhorPushkar]

Nice !

[@batu_cagan]

i really liked this channel's video style, it is very refined, looking forward to more videos in the future!

[@IhorPushkar]

Thanks man. I am planing to get back this month. So stay tuned

[@mudrok6810]

I have this late version of 2013 Mac Pro with 32 Gb of ram and 1 TB memory. It was running slow as hell. I gave it a cleaning and it sped up dramatically. It should be supported until November of 2024 and then it will likely be obsolete. I’m planning to switch to a M3 Studio at that time is the game plan. This Mac Pro has been a great investment.

[@IhorPushkar]

I would also better look into MacStudio rather than new Mac Pro with M2 Max or Ultra, but for portability I would stick to Macbook Pro 14 with M2 or M1 silicon.

[@dancar02]

We should contact Apple and tell them to continue supporting this computer beyond Novber 2024. I am buying one.

[@truth884]

Could you make an in depth video about that firmware password stuff?

[@IhorPushkar]

There are already lots of videos on this topic, but I will consider your proposition.

[@truth884]

@@IhorPushkar not trying to be lazy, but just seeing if it something you’d consider. Are there any videos or KZbinrs you recommend?

[@royshaft]

In the UK , i can pick one of these up from about £250 . Tempting ?

[@IhorPushkar]

Go ahead, you won’t regret

[@freespeechadvocate7492]

I bought a used base model for £299 and stripped it, cleaned it, upgraded to 8 core 16 thread Zeon, 16GB ram and 1TB SSD. It runs great in Mac OS as well as windows 10.

[@akyle96]

Can it game on windows?

[@freespeechadvocate7492]

Sure, you may have to lower the settings to like 1080p low/medium, just bare in mind you only have 4GB of Vram. @@akyle96

[@devonboyd]

this was incredibly satisfying. thank you and great work.

[@IhorPushkar]

Thanks

[@JJ-sq8pv]

Did you notice your machine is not showing time and other icons such as control center in the upper right corner area, i.e. at 11:47 and 13:00 in your video? Is it always like that? The reason I'm asking is because I recently got one Mac Pro and it's doing the same thing which is a bit strange. It works fine when not showing those info. However, if I restart it over and over manually, I could occasionally get it to show those info. But it wouldn't last more than a minute or so before it froze and restarted itself. Not sure if you ever experienced this with your machine?

[@IhorPushkar]

Good catch. Honestly I have noticed the panel to be partly hidden but didn’t investigate it further. Maybe I will try to Google for the fix and let you know if will got the fix

[@homecareful]

I picked up a late 2013 Mac Pro 6-core, 64GB ram, and a 256GB SSD. I spent another $100 on upgrading the SSD to 2TB. I love the way it runs. I might have found a used mini for my budget of $350, but it would have been hard. I did have one disapointment. I thought I would use it to run old copies of Adobe PS and Illustrator. But, I found that they only run Adobe cloud rental programs. I switched to Affinity for both.

[@charcoc]

Does this machine can install windows and Run SolidWorks and CREO parametrics?

[@IhorPushkar]

Windows - yes, the apps you asked - not familiar, but if they work on windows it should work on this Mac as well

[@macgamer1973]

I still use my Mac Pro 5,1, I love my Mac Pro 2013 run with Ext Radeon Vega 56. I jst recent brought a Mac Pro 5,1 came with Firmware lock how disable it

[@lands1459]

just a heads up: MX4 thermal paste likes to pump out on bare dies, next time you repaste this use MX6 on the GPUs instead

[@IhorPushkar]

Thanks, will try to investigate this question :)

[@wolbeoj7739]

Good video. I wanted to ask if you can point towards the process involved for the EFI unlock process and steps. If you have links/resources that would be appreciated.

[@IhorPushkar]

Sure, will share the link in a while

[@WarriorsPhoto]

Smashed the like button. What are you going to get next?

[@keenansealy]

My dad bought an old school Mac mini and now it locked me out because it needs a admin password from the school. And idea how I can do a full wipe and remove the admin lock so I can use it again?

[@IhorPushkar]

Hey, it depends if it is just user lock, mdm lock, edit lock or iCloud lock ? What access do you have currently ?

[@keenansealy]

From all to non. I tried doing a full whip and reset but it's still gives the prompt for the school admin

[@haramaschabrasir8662]

I will get one for collecting and tinkering. I love these machines. As well as the old 2010-2012 Mac Pros.

[@IhorPushkar]

Good choice !

[@tariquetulloch6643]

Would you compare this to an intel Mac mini which is actually in the same price range.

[@IhorPushkar]

I got upcoming video comparing Intel and m1 models

[@tariquetulloch6643]

@@IhorPushkar oh nice, can’t wait, meant trash can Mac Pro vs intel Mac mini for example

[@josephcadwell6773]

I love the intro music. Well done.

[@IhorPushkar]

Thanks a lot !

[@d33pmind]

Hey there, thanks for the vid!!! I'm really into going to do the same purchase, but I don't know if you tried or are you going to, do you think would be a decent machine to run ComfyUI?

[@IhorPushkar]

Unfortunately I haven’t played with that app. You have to try it to understand if it will work. But I thin Mac Pro should handle it.

[@user-ot7lv8su1b]

you sir have earned yourself a new subscriber. beautiful video.

[@IhorPushkar]

Thanks ! Highly appreciated !

[@gilesl]

I'm still using one all day everyday to run my audio studio. I took mine to 10-core, 32Gb Ram, and 1 T/B Nvme drive. I think I've maybe got one more year left before I'm forced to update to keep compatible.

[@IhorPushkar]

Yeah, I love this machine.

[@macgamer1973]

you can use open core... don't fall for the Apple hype

[@gilesl]

@@macgamer1973 yeah I might so long as it still works with my audio software

[@josephcadwell6773]

OH, ...... the intro music. LOVE IT!

[@IhorPushkar]

Thanks :)

[@macgamer1973]

@@IhorPushkar did you make it or buy the song

[@simoben8398]

Why did you not upgrade the quad core to a 12 core ?

[@IhorPushkar]

Because haven't got time for that, it is in progress ) Planning to do that next week.

[@Stelerris]

best looking mac by far

[@PicoNeo3]

I really want to put a Mac mini m1 in to the chassis of one of these trashcans. I think it would be so cool!

[@railwaystationmaster]

BRILLIANT VIDEO .

[@IhorPushkar]

Thanks !

[@thomasdietz579]

Hi Ihor :-) I am trying to use my mac pro with a new screen that has USB C! I am not at all an expert and I got the Pro very cheap. Can you please tell me what cable to use ? I have tried some forums but lets just say people were not that nice when I asked this question (I guess everyone was born an expert) :-)

[@IhorPushkar]

There are two variants you can use: thunderbold to usb c or hdmi to usb-c, pick the one which is cheaper and be used more often.

[@CharlesRedstone]

I started seeing this model going cheap, I need a workstation for programming, taking my zoom meetings and browse web with some ocasional KZbin videos on background, i would go for the m1 mini as you said but I think I will have a better experience with the 2013 (just for windows with boot camp or the ability to run multiple vms thanks to the ram) so thank you for making this video, it’s exactly what I was looking for, new subscriber by the way, keep doing it 🎉

[@IhorPushkar]

Your welcome, man ! It's great that this video helped you a bit :)

[@DavidJBradshaw]

I’ve been using a Mac Pro that I picked up off eBay as my main machine for the last five years. The processor is an easy cheap upgrade to ideally either 8 or 10 cores. However, the graphic cards are very hard to come by, so make sure you get one with D700s in it. Five years ago this machine was the only way to have 64GB and three external screens and it is still works great today.

[@macgamer1973]

@@DavidJBradshaw the EGPU smoke the D700. you run Vega 56, Radeon5700Xt

[@chadwickhell]

Great video and great editing too. Excellent knowledge. Sub'd !

[@IhorPushkar]

Thanks !

[@mileshunter3280]

What's that tune?

[@IhorPushkar]

Ha ?

[@minecraftcart328]

I use a Mac Pro 2013 mainly for web based stuff. I think they're pretty cheap now and looks cool for something that can do most tasks. Of course a "pro" might need something more. But it still can do photo editing, video editing and programming, albeit a bit slower than a new computer.

[@IhorPushkar]

Totally agree, I think it can be even used for more powerful tasks like editing, if exporting time does not matter for you and you don’t do lots of projects.

[@macgamer1973]

its better than the one ones. you get to DIY instead paying Apple jack up upgrading price

[@editingsecrets]

To look cool and run quiet, they put the slow fan in the middle. To appeal to pros, they provided for quite a bit of circuitry in a small case. To make a market disaster, the fan could not keep up when all of the chips were going flat out for hours... exactly what a pro would want to use it for, doing pro stuff like video editing. Nice smooth easy to follow video and narration. I could watch someone unscrew components all day, as long as I'm not responsible! The 80's synthpop tunes in the background were a perfect choice. Did you just put spaces for the new password? How exactly do you clear it? If the Mission Impossible team could distract someone for ten minutes, they could reset the password! I'm not happy to see you, that's an RPi in my pocket. And put it back with improved thermal paste so that the bad guys think it runs better than ever... What's the going price for these with everything turning on okay?

[@goobfilmcast4239]

I have been a Mac Guy since I bought my first Performa 475 "Everything in the Box" Macintosh from Sears and Roebuck back in 1994. Funny thing...since the release of Apple Silicon I have shaken off my nostalgia for older Macs. Yes, it's a decent hobby for Mac Enthusiasts to buy, sell and trade interesting (and formerly unobtainable) Apple Products but I am so in thrall of the potential of Apple Silicon that I am all in and looking ahead to Apple's future and the impact that ARM-based processors will have on the Computer Industry overall.

[@andre-le-bone-aparte]

Just found your channel. Excellent Content, Another sub for you sir!

[@IhorPushkar]

Thanks man, highly appreciated :)

[@celebrityrog]

Hmmm, cant load it up or boot it. Sounds like someone reported it stolen and it's been permablocked.

[@IhorPushkar]

About which one your are talking ?

[@editingsecrets]

No, the video shows it's just that the reinstall password didn't come with the machine. He was able to install just fine once he cleared that.

[@macgamer1973]

or sell being a dick by locking the hardware , just people that sell broken GPU, Broken computers,. I had some send me a 27" Thunderbolt Display wrap in a cardboard which didnt have any protection. I now need to buy a new cable from macsales

[@die-filmwerkstatt]

I can agree, I baught one in 2024. The seller could not made any description about the processor: he only wrote 8GB Ram, no SSD..... I baught iut for 299 € It came and I put 4 x 16GB ( baught on ebay for 62 € ) and an old 256 SSD from an other MacPro 6.1 and.... suprise suprise: it was a 8 Core machine ( 3.0 ) and the D700 ( 2 x 6GB ) now it is a perfect office pc that is also perfect to capture video with blackmagic thunderbolt video recorder

[@forrestegan]

Of course you can use it…I’m still using mine!! 😁

[@thatocelot879]

How do you only have 1.11K? Subbed.

[@IhorPushkar]

Well, I am working on improving that number :) Thanks for a positive feedback :)

[@ericjenks9596]

Having the d700 gpus and the 12 core processor make a difference over the quad and the d300. I recently got a 6 core with the d700 gpus and 32 gb of ram for $200 because it didn’t have an ssd. $38 for an oem 500 gb ssd, and it runs great. Much closer to an m1 mac mini in performance. Crazy it was $5200 when it was ordered in 2015.

[@IhorPushkar]

I totally agree, maybe later will look for D700.

[@daspec]

$200? Where? With such specs eBay sellers ask for $500+

[@it.couldbe]

best cpu for trashcan is not the one with 12 cores-2697 v2, is 2667 v2, cause it got higher frequency and sharing 25M L3 which even 2697 v2 only share 15M L3 each side cores.

[@kulimeya123]

Great video, the Mac Pro is inside and outside really nice. Sadly it's much slower than even an M1, so pretty useless nowadays. But I love the design.

[@peterwan816]

video looks good :)

[@IhorPushkar]

Thanks man !

[@armadilloneister]

Audio cuts off at this

[@IhorPushkar]

Turn off spacial surround on your tv

[@armadilloneister]

@@IhorPushkar that worked, amazing video

[@__________hugo]

Thank you

[@cathrynm]

This is more cool than the cube, I think.

[@indianbeluga1679]

Awesome

[@IhorPushkar]

Thanks !

[@JulianFernandez]

thanks.

[@staylor3440]

As a professional video editor who has seen many Trashcan Mac pro failures, due to GPU overheating. I can't bring myself to ever want to own one, even though I think the design is pretty cool, other than the power switch being on the wrong side.

[@IhorPushkar]

Thanks for honest feedback. For sure it has lots of pros and cons

[@macgamer1973]

its the D700 that have that problem. An it apple fault for not doing longer testing of hardware. MY 17" MacBook Pro 2.2GHZ 2011 has a problem with failure of GPU. I have A Radeon Vega 56 connected to my Mac Pro 2013

[@writtenplague]

You should’ve did the maximum upgrade to the xenon E5-2697 V2 and put a Samsung 990 pro in it. And max out the ram!!! Before you compare it to the Mac mini!!!!!

[@IhorPushkar]

Sure, if I get D700 graphic card it will even make bigger difference, but it is a question of investment.

[@starbuck1776]

I happen to have a 2009 Mac Pro 8 core with a rx 480 and a 2013 Mac Pro 8 core with the D300 gpus. Running the same 1080p video edit in Davinci Resolve, the 2009 cmp is 4 times faster 😢. Oh well, my trash can is still faster than my 2014 macmini 😅. I’ve got Monterey on all of them btw

[@hhectorlector]

idk if this video is going to be any good but it's getting a "like" for the intro alone

[@IhorPushkar]

Ahahah, thanks. I hope it was good even after intro :)

[@jroar123]

It make sense as to why they didn’t hold their value. They were built to be thrown in the trash. I have a Mac Pro 2009 and it runs like a top. Is it the fastest machine out there? No, it comes somewhere in the middle of all the newest machines fro Apple. The price for that machine would cost around $4,000 but mine only cost me around $600 upgraded. So it’s obvious why older “cheese graders” Mac Pro are liked so much today. So we come to this 2013 trash can Mac Pro. It’s limited by the inability to upgrade the OS. In your case, you had to use a Pie machine to hack the software to upgrade the OS. For most people, this is just a bridge too far and that is the reason why they are selling for a few hundred dollars. It also dictates where Mac is going to miss the mark. With the M1, M2, M3 machines designed to never be opened (or upgraded). It seems Apple wants to control your needs by charging you every time you figure out you need more computer. It might be the end of the road for older Mac Pro trash cans and above. So where does this leave Mac OS lovers? Basically Sonoma is it for Mac Pro 5,1 or 6,. The main problem right now is that the latest OS doesn’t recognize the mouse our keyboard. Hardware wise, with a little bit of work, you can turn a PC into a Sonoma Mac machine. With DosDude or someone else,you can keep upgradable Macs going just not a Mac. I am sure the newest OS’s (once figured out) will take the latest and greatest Mac OS’s but maybe a few years behind.

[@IhorPushkar]

Thanks for sharing your insights !

[@orestes1984]

The 10 year old Mac Pro is slower than the base model Mac Mini, that is unsurprising. I wonder how fast of a CPU you could put in one of these Mac Pros though. Maybe with a newer Intel chip and updated graphics cards the scores would be closer. But it is already over unfortunately. It is not worth doing that as OS X for intel has been discontinued.

[@IhorPushkar]

I already bought 12 core Xeon cpu for replacement, the multiple core score should be close to M1 Mac mini. Will post updates soon

[@orestes1984]

@@IhorPushkar I would like to see the results in an update. That would be very interesting.

[@moviesynopsis001]

@@IhorPushkar How did it go?

[@IhorPushkar]

@@moviesynopsis001 haven’t done upgrade yet, planing to do next week.

[@moviesynopsis001]

@@IhorPushkar I am looking at buying one of these, and my use case requires they be run 24/7. Do these use alot of power?

[@TovarasSanders]

great video and great work Ihor !!! Just subscribed and hope to see more!

[@IhorPushkar]

Thanks Cornelius, new videos are upcoming :)

[@obviouslytom]

I would love to get one of these with dual D700 and put Linux on it. The machine would scream

[@hariranormal5584]

nostalgia honestly

[@IhorPushkar]

I know, I know :)

[@hariranormal5584]

@@IhorPushkar Do you remember the video Apple used to have that just showed how the casings were made? God I remember that

[@IhorPushkar]

@@hariranormal5584 I do, that's was awesome. And tag Made in USA, mmm.... premium of the premium

[@patmusic111]

still pro for music

[@gottliebdee263]

I thought this was one of the most ridiculous computers ever designed. I bought one, used for a day and returned. Lovely and quiet. Looks good but ultimately not worth the risk at the time.

[@YuriyKurylyak]

great stuff, I've never seen such a device before

[@IhorPushkar]

Thanks for watching

[@editingsecrets]

Definitely one of Apple's one of a kind designs

[@mrchedda]

Let me fix the title: "How to mitigate Mac Pro firmware lock and complete teardown."

[@IhorPushkar]

Why ? You didn’t like comparison with Mac mini m1 ?

[@mrchedda]

I do but a couple things…. 1. Reading the title, I wouldn’t expect you to flash firmware and do a complete tear down for 75% of the video. 2. A fair comparison would be against an Intel Mac mini. Regardless, I think a 2013 Mac Pro is still worth replacing my 2011 Mac Mini Duo Core. Thanks though!

[@Cool5380]

Gave my old trascan 12/64/d500/512 to my little kids as a plaything installed windows 11 pro on it and upgraded to a 1Tb m.2 So now it is gameconsole at the mercy of the cruelest users kids lol barbie cant sit on the top really sweetheart and chewinggum shuld not be placed in there but it still works fine and makes my kids happy So recyceling e-waste in the best way!

[@samuelgosling2000]

it can actually do up to 128gb ram not 64

[@IhorPushkar]

Yeah, I know. Thanks for clarifying

[@d_lydian]

Don‘t you think the title is misleading? The video shows for 12 minutes how you order, unpack and disassemble the Mac and 1 minute about the performance 🤷‍♂️

[@IhorPushkar]

I think no. The video was not about just comparison, it was more about if the mac is still a good tech to use from perspective of support, design, possible performance.

[@hexise]

I am surprised to know that a mac mini is much powerful than a 2013 mac pro, sometimes more than twice powerful. Currently the m1 mac is cheap(especially used ones), also it cost much less power, so you will save from electricity bills. I think 2013 mac pro is not worth to buy nowadays.

[@IhorPushkar]

True, but if you own one you can still enjoy working on it :) And I love the design a lot ;)

[@macgamer1973]

Mac mini con only do 1 monitor or 2 with adapter. While the Mac Pro 2013 can do 4 to 6 Display. which makes Mac Pro 2006-2019 the king of Mac mini

[@hexise]

​@@macgamer1973 You can use a displaylink adapter to achieve multiple monitors without problem, currently I am using one for my macbook air m1, which connects two monitors at same time.

[@feastwithethan9412]

I hate it when someone calls this a trash can. Should just call it a can instead.

[@IhorPushkar]

I didn’t want to hurt your feelings, sorry about that

[@davidallen3158]

No sound.

[@IhorPushkar]

Probably issue is on your side.

[@DerekDavis213]

Today, in October of 2023, a brand new Mac Pro will cost about $9000 USD, and it cannot even accept a PCI-Express video card! And it also *cannot* *accept* an external GPU box over Thunderbolt. $9000, and the customer has to make due with the weak gpu that is built into the M2 Ultra processor. NVidia or AMD video cards are light-years faster than what come with the M2 Mac Pro.

[@DerekDavis213]

Mac folks love to say that Mac has a great resale value. $260 for a $6000 trashcan Mac Pro? horrible.

[@IhorPushkar]

Dude, it’s in 10 years. If you take a look at any 10 year laptop the price will be like $50

[@DerekDavis213]

@@IhorPushkar You are right, but the trashcan Mac started life at the huge $6000 price point (or even more). That's the difference, amigo.

[@macgamer1973]

you get more money from a Max out computer or upgraded Mac Pro

[@DerekDavis213]

@@macgamer1973 You are a mac gamer? Hopefully you are using an Intel-based Mac, because the current crop of M1 or M2 Macs are *horrible* for gaming.

[@IhorPushkar]

@DerekDavis213 Have you tried game porting tool ?

[@mortenthorpe]

yes… the visual aspects of the design are amazing… alas they’re not practical from any use-case standpoint, as expected from an expensive pro-machine… Expandable? hardly…

[@IhorPushkar]

Agree !

[@editingsecrets]

That's what all the Thunderbolt ports were for.

[@mortenthorpe]

@@editingsecrets thunderbolt is nowhere nearly as fast, e.g. enough bandwidth, as PCI slots are… So, the marketing that “thunderbolt is your future expansion solution”, is marketing, and transparently so inadequate

[@editingsecrets]

@@mortenthorpe Apparently Steve Jobs disliked slots and wanted to move the world to "virtual slots." Since then putting RAM, GPU, and SSD on-chip have even done away with expansion on the motherboard. It seems this is the reason for the absence of a new Mac Pro... if you can only add to those with a different system-on-chip, what purpose remains for any slots? I'm curious if M3 will bring back enough pci lanes or whatever would be needed for meaningful upgrades that don't require picking a different chip at time of initial purchase.

[@mortenthorpe]

@@editingsecrets wanting to move the world in a direction, clearly at odds with the current situation in the real world, does not make sense at all times. wishful thinking is decoupled from reality… point in case… electric vehicles and the argument for them, as replacing gasoline vehicles… the environmental benefits of them is highly exaggerated, while the negative impacts are underrated… electric vehicles pollute as much in their own product lifecycle, as any other vehicle… it’s just pollution of a different sort, at the moment and their immediate location of use.

[@Squilliam-Fancyson]

The only cool thing on this machine are the proprietary PCi-e ricer cables.

[@IhorPushkar]

And the design :)

[@Biedropegaz]

it is a "pro" trashbin, no more and no less - only fancy trashbin

[@IhorPushkar]

It is your thought, no more and no less …

[@bohdanhamulets7626]

Ahah, awesome :)

[@IhorPushkar]

Thanks

[@bennym1956]

So any M1/2 Mac can beat the Mac Pro and they should.

[@cassio2999]

turn down the intro music

[@IhorPushkar]

Why ?

[@JarppaGuru]

same pro as you bought it overpriced before. now is like raspberrrypi

[@IhorPushkar]

This is called tech progress :)

[@magnetbahn]

Zuzoasendtoarteen

[@IhorPushkar]

What that should mean :)?

[@bonafontciel]

No

[@IhorPushkar]

?!