Is a NEW Subaru Outback Premium a BETTER buy than a Forester Limited?

[@kpf8186]

Buddy you are working hard out there! Any time a car pops in my mind to review, Raiti's Rides has a current review on it. Appreciate all your hard work my friend.

[@stellantistom6881]

The Outback is probably one of my favorite body style wagons of all time. But the CVT is going to be my issue...

[@miguelircontar]

ESP with all the weight this vehicle have Imagine loading gear and people inside

[@blackdogization]

@@miguelircontar XT

[@RaitisRides]

AGREED!

[@kevinW826]

@@miguelircontar the Mazda3 with the AWD and turbo is something like 3300 or so pounds. 34Xx pounds for this is better than the 4xxx pounds of the Nissan Murano with the CVT. The Altima with the AWD is in the same general weight category. If I needed another car, I wouldn’t hesitate to get the outback.

[@BoopSnoot]

@@kevinW826 Its not that CVTs are bad, but that Subaru's CVTs are as bad as Nissan's. Its ancient now, and should have been updated when they came out with the new chassis. Hopefully they can switch to DCT or toyota hybrid CVT in the future.

[@Iang343]

Joe it has been a pleasure watching your vids I am deploying soon I'll most definitely miss the reviews

[@kelvinchannel9592]

I rented a outback just like this one and I fell in love with it and it have a really great top speed too for it to be a 4cyl.

[@TeamSwagGod]

Thats how you know Joe cares about his base..goes from driving absolute monsters to this soccer mom mobile. Love you Rati!! Hope you had a good Xmas and did some smokey burnouts somewhere

[@RaitisRides]

Yes sir! I love covering it all. Thanks for saying that!

[@joelmattila4084]

Just bought an outback limited, highly recommended using premium gas (91 octane). Noticeable difference in the 2.5L engine non turbo, 7-8 hp gain 3ft lbs of torque gain from ok to spirited .It advances the timing into the sweet spot power is just right ( 91 octane ). Worth the extra money.!!!

[@richterkleiber]

Thanks for this great no-nonsense review with helpful info! I appreciated that you didn’t default to the top-of-the-line like most reviewers. My extended comments on the car: Within my budget and mostly city and freeway driving, I was looking for a great value with maximum bang for my buck with safety, reliability, a great feel, and even great features. I ended up going with the premium trim, which is just above the base model; with the features you get it’s perhaps the best value. I love this car. The cabin is quiet and the suspension tuning is phenomenal. The 2.5 engine is more than adequate for most situations and will give you power when you need it. I compared it with the turbo, which is exciting but for my purposes not entirely necessary other than for the thrill, if that’s your priority, plus the turbo gets significantly less combined mileage than what the sticker says. My premium gets about 28-29 combined with how I drive, and my combined on the turbo was 22-23. That’s a huge difference in range and economy at the pump. To my premium I added the popular package #2 which gave push button start, moonroof, power lift gate, cross traffic warning and blind spot monitor, and seatback protectors among other things-to this I also gradually upgraded every possible accessory, adding the Rockford Fosgate sound system-a great upgrade-and the CD player; I added side door moldings which protect and give a sleeker and more balanced appearance to the car. I added door edge guards, tailgate chrome trim, front and rear bumper chrome-look underguards, and the interior wood grain accent to replace the carbon fiber trim. I also added the auto-dimming mirrors with approach lights, which I highly recommend along with the wireless charger and LED ambient footwell upgrade. The pre-collision braking already saved my butt twice from split-second scenarios where the car in front of me slammed on the brakes while I was glancing in the rear view mirror. The lane-keep with lane centering is amazing. This car within my budget is a dream and has a premium feel. I bought it as an early return corporate lease, only eight months old with 7800 miles on it. With trade in, I paid 22k for an incredible value car that was originally bought for 34k; I added upgrades in the months following as my budget allowed-my wordy point is you can add the features you want. I cannot recommend this car highly enough. Some complain about the CVT; I find it responsive and the paddle shifters are fun. Some complain about the auto stop and start being hard to disable; a recent software update puts it as a single push button on the Home Screen now. Some complain that too many features have gone to the fantastic premium center display; the advantage is that when I use my phone to control remote start, I can specify temperature as such because of this, along with heated seat level and the mirror heating on. It comes with heated wipers as well. If leather seats with rear heated seats and air vents are important to you, the limited is the way to go; if luxury appearance and softer Nappa leather, heated steering wheel, ventilated seats, a front camera, and reverse automatic braking are important to you, then touring is the way to go. The rear seats recline on my premium and the power lift gate can open with proximity. The backup camera even has a lens washer. If more power is needed go to the turbo but if you’re looking for ultra power go to the Audi wagon for three times the price. Again, I think the 2.5 is quite good even if not thrilling. I think there is great attention to detail and the premium will give you many great standard features. Perfect car? Not for every taste, but I love mine.

[@Kd_rise]

The premium without any package is arguably the absolute best bang of the buck. A key in ignition is not a deal breaker and I know it doesn’t come with remote start but my question is, do I still get remote start (on the app) by upgrading to the STARLINK Safety and Security subscription?

[@richterkleiber]

@@Kd_rise Although I'm not an expert, I think it might be possible--I could try to call up the local Subaru dealer here. When I bought mine as an early-return corporate lease, it came with the keyless ignition, but to upgrade to remote start (useful for the cold 9-month Cleveland winters I have) I was able to subscribe to the Starlink. I'll see if I can do some sleuthing.

[@Kd_rise]

@@richterkleiber i appreciate you sharing that experience. Hopefully I can at least get it through the app. Or else I will always regret no opting for the keyless option. I know it would of been more money but living in New Jersey the last thing I need is a freezing interior in the middle of January lol

[@ofcbob6391]

Nice review. The premium is the best value, especially with the package that adds blind spot and cross traffic and pwr liftgate. I don't need a sunroof. Had they added rear seat vents, it would be the perfect car for $32K. And it's AWD!

[@logandolatowski7929]

awesome review! I used your previous ones to help me decide between the new XT and 3.6r ended up going with a 19 3.6R touring and I love it!

[@RaitisRides]

Smart move Logan!

[@billanderson7930]

Thanks for testing the base engine! Another great review by you! Thanks again!

[@edyi321]

No other car reviewer describes the esthetics like Joe 👍💪

[@edyi321]

I like the way Suburu's design identity is not overly styled.

[@MichaelA.2499]

Wagons need to make a comeback. Subaru is a leader w/ Volvo not far behind!

[@RaitisRides]

I totally agree with you! Sooooo much better than a SUV.

[@tjaekeysofficial]

Raiti Gang is here!!

[@poppopp9893]

Those roof rails look like they're expecting people to strap a train container to the roof

[@RaitisRides]

Pretty much! LOL

[@pigybak]

watching on the road from Blue Ridge, GA!

[@RaitisRides]

Thank man for being so great!

[@tristanmoos9770]

Great review, a family member has a cross track with similar specks. When I first drove the car I had no clue there was a CVT. Has to be the best CVT on the market, drives like a standard automatic!

[@BarikSingh]

Great Outback review Joe. Would love to see you do a new Outback Touring XT. Apparently in tests, it is quicker than a WRX with the same transmission and even the BRZ. Only Subaru quicker is the STI. Have a great weekend!

[@RaitisRides]

Here you go my friend! kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4SZq3-DrLOaprM

[@digitaldoc100]

Yeah, best part of the Outback is the 2.4T. This car is pretty sedate with the 2.5NA, and I would not buy it.

[@richroj]

Thanks Joe, My favorite car brand again !

[@RaitisRides]

You got it Rich!

[@yes8032]

Yes I think it is I like wagons more 👍 I’d also maybe consider a Volvo v60

[@RaitisRides]

I like the way that you think.

[@ryanbloom7]

I'm just here to support my boy!

[@Theonestrongbusleader]

I love the color of this SUV! Great job Joe.

[@RaitisRides]

Thanks Jeremiah for watching my reviews.

[@Theonestrongbusleader]

@@RaitisRides You're welcome Joe.

[@autonewstv86]

just wait till they start running ads on the infotainment

[@hellraiserx9490]

OMG I hope they don’t start doing that I’ll be taking a hammer to my infotainment system if I have to put up with ads on it!

[@RaitisRides]

Oh geesh that would be crazy.

[@RaitisRides]

Sounds like a plan.

[@BruceWayne-nh7li]

Always enjoying your videos

[@RaitisRides]

That really means so much! Thank you for that!

[@matthewkang3731]

We have the Onyx XT and it's fantastic! We didn't even test drive the non-turbo engine.

[@joskjj3625]

Awesome video keep up the good work Joe and lori

[@RaitisRides]

I really appreciate you saying that!

[@joskjj3625]

@@RaitisRides no problem joe 👍

[@ricktourville3458]

Really enjoy your channel but “pretty capable off-road vehicle” might be a stretch on this one. Keep up the good work You two. Hope you had a wonderful Christmas and a happy new year.

[@RaitisRides]

Thanks Rick! I appreciate you saying that! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours!

[@ronaldhull8057]

A great car that holds its value. The AWD is class leading. Even with a CVT it still a fantastic ride.👍💕

[@RaitisRides]

So very true!

[@SubieandFriends]

i feel like most people talk negative about cvts simply because they read it on a magazine or they heard someone else saying it, I bet that most people wont even be able to tell or feel any difference between a car with a cvt or a car with a conventional automatic.....

[@MTNorville]

I can see people swapping suspension comments with the Legacy. Thing would make a neat wagon.

[@RaitisRides]

Now that would be wild.

[@mystictk4149]

Y’all are killing it.

[@vincentjoyce5100]

The infotainment center stack rocks, however I think the Passport and the Sorento have passed it by.

[@effortlesslykevin]

Love your car videos Joe😌

[@RaitisRides]

Thanks Kevin!

[@CaseyGpdx]

In the back their are AC vents. Their hidden under the seats. At least it’s like this in my moms 2011 Outback.

[@v_n_bot]

hi Raiti - What about base models ? I see you skipping most of the base ones ....

[@jackrandom4893]

Thank you for doing this review.

[@RaitisRides]

You are so very welcome Jack!

[@marcovarela6702]

Great reviews as always, prefer the Legacy front end facia.. that overzealous claddy plastic reminds me of the the original Pontiac Aztec, Nissan Xterra, even trying to copy the Volvo XC 70..Unless you choose black or the granite gray which that’ll blend in it’s gonna look really gorky in any other color once it ages& the plastic fades..Give it a couple years they going to go back to the color-coded plastic.. like the earlier models...A 💯Zonk for the Mustache

[@RaitisRides]

Thanks for the compliment and letting me share this one with you Marco!

[@Mhosborn]

Great video and review of the 2020 OB Premium. Maybe I missed it, but I have to give a "zonk" here (love the term you use!) because you didn't answer the question posed in the title of this video. Is this a better buy than the Forester Limited?

[@395131]

Hello from Minnesota!

[@RaitisRides]

Hey man! How is the weather up there?

[@markdangerfield2093]

@@RaitisRides All right let’s keep his outback’s going

[@bearlogangaming]

@@RaitisRides nice video mate keep it up I can't wait till the new ford Mustang Mach 1 come to the UK and same as you

[@RaitisRides]

@@markdangerfield2093 Heck yeah!

[@RaitisRides]

@@bearlogangaming Neither can I Logan!

[@robertkeator8210]

2022 premium now has power liftgate as option as well As rear air

[@ofcbob6391]

no rear air on the Premium? Good grief.

[@kenro-96]

This car really makes trucks like tahoes and explorers and palisades completely unnecessary unless you need a 3rd row or trailer tow. Very good price point, high quality , built in Indiana, awd, unparalleled reliability, and stellar resale value.

[@RaitisRides]

Thanks for letting me share it with you Kenneth!

[@appleguymac1]

The cvt is amazing in Subaru

[@heythatsmysong5055]

Great review as always...I just can’t help but feel like this car is straight out of 1999 with its design and bloated plastic on the exterior. Total zonk. Only modern thing is the screen on the dash.

[@tuxedoblackcat1680]

I wish you could do Horn Tests for every car in every video. If I had my own Car KZbin Channel, then that's what I would do for every car for every video, like what does the car sound like also with the horn. Just make sure you don't test it in front of a car, or you might make em upset.

[@RaitisRides]

That is a good point!

[@tuxedoblackcat1680]

Yes Indeed!

[@mfmf100]

Nice review. This is an almost brilliant car - few if any have more real world capability for the money, hampered by an unpleasant CVT. Also the engine historically has had gasket issues; hopefully that’s been addressed.

[@RaitisRides]

I totally agree with you!

[@stanbrewer6079]

Alway's liked the look of the outback. With all that plastic is it going to hold up. I've seen the black plastic on Chevy trucks after a couple years fade to grey, and sorta disintegrate. Good review, but I think you forgot to ding the rear wiper placement, though it does look bigger than those other short wipers that give you small barely usable clean spot. 👍👍.

[@dillonh321]

My 2015 looks like new. But I put a uv protective coating on it about every 6 months.

[@dillonh321]

I agree on the rear wiper, it would look better tucked under the roof spoiler

[@Uziavenger]

That's the perfect trim for me. I just don't know how capable that base engine is.

[@islandon22]

These are lovely vehicles except for that 2.5L power plant. Subaru has had issues with oil leakage from head gaskets. They claim this to have been resolved. But as a former Customer Service Mgr at a Subie dealership, that isn't true. Without serious engine failure, it is a $1500-$2000 repair cost. Aside from that, Subaru 2.5L cars are great.😬

[@RaitisRides]

Thanks for sharing that great input!

[@nicoleundercuffler8743]

So, your saying the oil consumption and head gasket issue has not been revolved? What about the 2.4 turbo. Does it look like there have been a lot of issues int he 1.5 years? Not that I want any problems with a new car, but does the 3/36k and extended warranty not cover major issues with the car??

[@jamessimonds7362]

Personally, I prefer the Forester. It is shorter than the Outback, but it is,also taller than the Outback. Which the Forester has more interior space. The outback is a wagon and The Forester is an SUV.

[@RaitisRides]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this one James.

[@jaypatel7424]

Sup Joe. The only Subaru vehicles I like is the BRZ, WRX, & WRX STI only ❤❤❤.

[@RaitisRides]

Hey Jay! I had a feeling that was the case.

[@TheTastyMorsel]

Between my wife and I, we've had 4 Subarus. Never again. Head gaskets aways failing, spark plug changes worse than Porsche, and the ridiculously short lived speakers. Poor electrical wiring and grounding. I just can't stomach adding a CVT insult to to this injury.

[@thinkabout602]

A fantastic price will sell the heck out of this Outback. $$ 👌

[@RaitisRides]

I totally agree with you!

[@mossmiller]

In my area, the Legacy Premium sells even better, and priced at around $26K without any other packages. With winter tires, these cars are unstoppable on the hills of Western CT.

[@sweetness_5772]

Raiti's Rides, could you do a video on the 2021, Audi RS 6 Avant, station wagon. I would love to see and hear your review on that RS6, station wagon.

[@RaitisRides]

I am working on tracking one down.

[@sweetness_5772]

@@RaitisRides Thanks. Love watching your "unbiased" reviews🙂

[@Mohsrz]

I love Subaru It's a fantastic brand

[@RaitisRides]

AGREED!

[@doug_sports_collector]

Love my '20 Outback Onyx XT

[@lsjionredlinesupercharged2049]

I have a 13 outback loaded every option 198k miles not a single issue its been to snowy Flagstaff and sandy glamis never been stuck the cvt is one of the better features because your always in the right gear or rather ratio lol but it is on the louder side for CVT's it maybe slightly Quieter then the CVT in my yamaha rhino 660R lol 😆 the Forrester is a good buy to though.

[@RaitisRides]

Thanks or sharing that great input from your ownership.

[@vinceangelo8184]

Another great review!

[@serkanister3620]

Merry Christmas joe

[@RaitisRides]

Merry Christmas to you and yours!

[@haze1123]

Needs physical HVAC controls and a physical disable button for the automatic engine start/stop. Subaru is putting too many controls on screen.

[@RaitisRides]

I know how you feel!

[@IndyDog-ns8ws]

They need to dump that roof rack for one more usable like on the Forester.

[@RaitisRides]

So very true!

[@mclarenspeedtail8988]

I would rather have the old infotaiment

[@RaitisRides]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this one.

[@bobbbobb4663]

Save for the Tesla and maybe the new S Class, is there any other vehicle that lacks dedicated HVAC buttons? Zonk from me.

[@peterretep1010]

True. Bigger doesn't mean better. Rather the tradition knobs instead. But, we all know cars nowadays all trying to be futuristics.

[@AbdullahHood]

The dash and infotainment is very similar to Volvo. Have they done any tie with them? Or just a copy? 😁

[@amirhoseinghods]

For 31K, there seems to be more competitive options other than this Outback. The huge plastic on the front makes it look really outdated (in my opinion).

[@RaitisRides]

Very good points!

[@CaptDavyJones]

I am pretty sure you can get a premium with a push start, it’s just an added configuration...cheers 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@RaitisRides]

Thanks for that info.

[@stewartstarling2309]

What about the driver assistance features? 👀

[@idrive25]

Isn't the engine a 2.5L non-turbo? Your description says 2.4L.

[@arnoldbuckner6351]

I am quoting you - what would an “ACTUAL” 8 speed automatic transmission would feel 👍 like - ?

[@brandon6541]

Loving that Subaru!

[@RaitisRides]

I am so glad that you are digging this one.

[@allenb4823]

Great review Joe! Just watched this one and the older Onyx XT one from a year ago. When I started looking, my first choice was an Outback since my 2018 Subaru Legacy company car has been so nice. The new Subaru Global architecture seems awesome. What is kind of concerning on this car to me is 1) Stop/Start is a pain, broken windshields, not much storage in the cabin, some other reliability glitches like the batteries, and too much on the infotainment vs buttons. Seems like you have conquered the infotainment! So - for a 60 year old bachelor, would you suggest an Outback XT or a CX-5? I'm leaning toward the CX-5 GTR which is comparable to the Limited XT. Would get a trailer hitch bike rack. What say you??

[@RaitisRides]

I think I would go Outback and definitely get a trailer hitch and bike rack. I actually love the Ooutback!

[@graceforgiveness3639]

What car does Lori like better??? Cx5 or Outback?

[@joskjj3625]

Love Subaru outbacks

[@RaitisRides]

So do I!

[@ParasiteQueen1]

If I have to drive an enemy around, will it keep us safe?

[@RaitisRides]

Yes!

[@2098elk]

All right guys!

[@appleboy3793]

I know it’s an old model but is it possible for you to review a BMW 5 series F10/F11?

[@RaitisRides]

I will track one down for you!

[@appleboy3793]

@@RaitisRides thanks man, huge fan of yours, keep up the great work! Can’t wait to see it!

[@somergoyt]

why showing 2020 model in December 2020?

[@Freeridin07]

Why are so many people buying suburus lately? I've been seeing them all over the country alot more.

[@camstruppa7841]

Hey Joe, is the Subaru Outback bigger than the Forrester or vise versa?

[@bobraible]

Outback is longer and Forester is taller.

[@camstruppa7841]

@@bobraible ok, thanks!

[@miguelnunez1377]

What happened with the twinkie fitting

[@RaitisRides]

We will be bringing it more. This one was filmed a few weeks ago.

[@kimojoseph8057]

This one is awesome 😎 joe the color is hot 🔥the interior and those seats 💺 are great 👍 and how they design those seats joe spot on the money and it have so much space in the cargo area good visibility and control this one ☝️ is a winner joe bullseye 🎯 give it up to the camera 📸 man Lori your team and you joe 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪😉😉😉😉😉😉😉🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💺💺💺💺💺💺💺💺💺💺👊👊👊👊👊👊👊👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌✊✊✊✊✊✊✨✨✨✨✨✨✨✨✨✨✨✨✨😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@RaitisRides]

Thanks man! You are so great!

[@layzy24]

I just saw a video of you reviewing your students 9th gen civic SI. You were a teacher?

[@anooseholay]

It’s certainly a damned better looking vehicle than the forester will ever be.

[@DaniMrtini]

Front looks like a pre-2017 sonata and the rear looks like an accord

[@RaitisRides]

I think you might of just nailed it!

[@morrisf3957]

Reliable like the sunrise 🌅

[@RaitisRides]

I like the way you did that!

[@aidenv9345]

Have you done any 2021 Toyota Camry

[@peterhadfield9840]

Love the Subies!

[@anthonybaez52]

That looks cool

[@RaitisRides]

I am so glad that you like this one.

[@stellantistom6881]

How are you Joe?

[@RaitisRides]

Hey Tom! I am doing well. How about you?

[@stellantistom6881]

@@RaitisRides Chilling 👌

[@RaitisRides]

@@stellantistom6881 Cool Cool

[@stellantistom6881]

@@RaitisRides ;D

[@waterwalker1315]

Since you can't find a Forester I would say yes.

[@RaitisRides]

This is a great point!

[@dylanc4739]

Will you ever do a Mustang Mach E?

[@LS1007]

2020? Are there not any 2021’s yet?

[@RaitisRides]

Older video that I needed to get up Larry. Plus, 2020 & 2021 are 100% the same.

[@LS1007]

@@RaitisRides Thanks Joe! I thought I was in the Twilight Zone. 😂

[@RaitisRides]

@@LS1007 I hate to say it but we might be!😳😂

[@LS1007]

@@RaitisRides Let’s pray 2021 will be better. 🙏🏼

[@mariowhyte2816]

Its Subaru Outback tiiiiiime!!!! I've always liked the Outbacks by Subaru!!! Down to earth...practical...no nonsense driving...wagon!!! #RaitisRides #OnThrottle #ToTheDoorPanel #TwinkiesForDays #OnThrottleAgain #LoriGotAngles #CameraQueen #Zonkmeister #CrownVic #OnThrottleAllDay #IfYoureReadyImReady #Subaru #Outback

[@bryanstearns9739]

Drinking game when he says I love

[@hellraiserx9490]

All new 2020? Did you mean to say 2021? Because 2020 is only a few days from being over?

[@RaitisRides]

The Subaru Outback is all new for 2020. This is a brand new vehicle never sold, titled or registered.

[@hellraiserx9490]

@@RaitisRides But it’s almost a model year old? New as far as nobody has ever owned it but it’s been available since the beginning of 2020?

[@bollockbuster]

They need to step up the design on all Subaru models. This thumbnail made me think you were reviewing an 8-10 year old car at first glance. Their 2020 vehicle designs would look dated even in 2013

[@RaitisRides]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this on Chase!

[@SpringfieldTony]

J = PRIMO EDITION HELLS YEAH, SUBARU kinda like Scooby Doo lol. decent HP but the CVT kills the thrills. it's like sex while your woman is reading a book heehee. it's like biting into a fresh Twinkie but the factory forgot to inject the cream filling, sadness. kinda like attending the wedding of your ex girlfriend who married your best friend. I like the weather protection on the back of the rear seats & cargo area, so after a few hours of HITTING IT in the OUTBACK - easy clean up ( get it) ? tony went blue, his comedy act is turning dirty hahaha. reality check > safe> reliable> solid> good build> perfect for everyday driving for basic tasks etc. little know factoid = the original name for this car was the Australia - tony

[@aneelejaz8097]

It's a no brainer!

[@adama047]

Definitely a great little wagon. Always liked the Outback. You seemed a little rushed on this review, Joe

[@hitwondatalkditingdem]

Good video

[@RaitisRides]

Thank you for taking the time to say that!

[@frankvilla3622]

Subaru's go hard unlike BMW's

[@name4379]

It’s unique how Subaru manages to stick around by doing “refreshes” every year or so.

[@RaitisRides]

This is very true.

[@ELP1125]

Subaru has gained a cult, thanks to their Symmetrical AWD

[@stellantistom6881]

Arrived 🏁🇯🇵🏁🇯🇵🏁

[@RaitisRides]

Love...it's what makes a Subaru a Subaru.

[@stellantistom6881]

@@RaitisRides ;D

[@hellraiserx9490]

It’s strange that they called this the “premium model“ yet it has all this cloth interior garbage premium to meet me at the top of the line I’m assuming this is not the top of the line being all the cheap junk in it?

[@RaitisRides]

I totally agree with you!

[@jalmonte91]

$31k and no push start? Come on