Is a Real City Planner Any Good at Mini Motorways?

[@CityPlannerPlays]

I've taken your feedback and given it another go! kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZoDGpnmNpK2aoNk

[@discorddiscord5682]

Ok

[@ExcelInstructor]

go for diagonals roads to save some road tiles, trafik light are useless

[@yoyodebes1349]

@@ExcelInstructor traffic lights are good, you just have to know how to use them

[@gh0stluv979]

I challenge you to make a video without saying heiarchy

[@srs174]

Maybe make the size of your mouse a little bit bigger, so we see what you explain a bit easyer

[@cineblazer]

"I hate the idea of thinking of this as a whole bunch of segregation." *chuckles in Real Civil Engineer*

[@Nr15121]

Racism is the key to success in this game!

[@lolpalpro]

Hahaha, i came here to check if RCE knows him, still not sure. But you're cultured people

[@samuelmatheson9655]

@@Nr15121 damn reds always cloging up yellow roads

[@timehunter9467]

I immediately thought of RCE, he’s insane.

[@Thurthof5]

@@timehunter9467 RCE is too extreme. Important thing is to just limit intersections. Those really slow down traffic.

[@audigamer8261]

4:18 "The supermarket has upgraded to an IMAX" ~Real Civil Engineer

[@Jcornman24]

True title: City planner has nervous breakdown watching houses develop along the arterial

[@Epicchef0222]

Real facts

[@medinadamian]

Lmao

[@rileywhetstone1755]

I don't know if this a game for CPP

[@Jcornman24]

@@rileywhetstone1755 For a second I thought you meant Chinese Communist Party not City Planner Plays lol

[@hawkeye7527]

I love it. Lol

[@tyronedlisle4412]

This game is so addictive. As a townplanner myself it's both great that the city grows organically and presents a challenge but also frustrating that I can't add some sanity to the layout.

[@CityPlannerPlays]

Completely agree! Glad to hear I'm not alone in these feelings!

[@clickthecreeper9463]

yeah, the fact that theres no zoning rules is a pain in the ass. The only thing you really can do is try and lay out roads ahead of time, lets say if you wanted a gridded city for example. There are two problems with that, though: firstly, you usually don't get enough tiles, especially if you ever take motorways. Second, the game doesn't alert you when the playing area expands, so a house could come along and plant itself right where you needed a road to go, and from that point on there is nothing you can do about it. So you have to really watch the expansion closely.

[@mr.smalllegs5725]

@@CityPlannerPlays as a tip in the game... you can control the spawns by putting roads on the side other roads and entrances

[@faberduindam8415]

You can, to a small degree, block malls from spawning in certain areas by filling a space or part of the space with roads. You can easily build 2 square roads in a space. Malls never remove roads

[@itsyourenotyour9101]

@@mr.smalllegs5725 How many spots away can it spawn from? I had one that was super small that i didn't think would even fit.

[@rbrent666999]

I love how quickly this game can make industry professionals go from "oh yea, look at that" to "oh no, look at that!"

[@CityPlannerPlays]

Oops - published early! Enjoy!

[@MoiMoz]

Very swag ✅

[@ethanmatheson5263]

Lol

[@mads4059]

Love the video but it’s a little hard to follow where your mouse is when you are talking about certain junctions. Maybe try dark mode?

[@graspienjo2850]

Lol :) This is made here in NZ :) Just not my city

[@maqueexxtv7241]

you think we’re upset? I’m over the moon!

[@yeti25934]

I had a mini heart attack when he picked regular tiles over the motorway 😂

[@insooklee4294]

Yeah me too

[@brianr749]

He did crazy good for a first time play that breaks every possible "rule".

[@carlosabdou2889]

Me too

[@joshbell2506]

His voice sounds 25 but he turns 60 years old when he laughs

[@JavaRivers]

His laugh is so great

[@katherineelizabeth3608]

I want to see CPP do a collab with Levar Burton, honestly. The serenity.

[@xoiovan]

Hahahga my daughter and I were JUST saying this! His laugh is priceless 🤣

[@joeywild2011]

Yeah he’s got a young voice but an old person’s laugh

[@nicestpancake]

And he's probably around 30-something. Truly, a confusing existence

[@ethanmatheson5263]

What if learned from this game is ignore everything you know and try to keep everything seperate

[@alohatigers1199]

Segregation, amirite?

[@alexphenex8]

@@alohatigers1199 decades of fighting against segregation just to end up segregating again

[@danrueter]

Just a tip: you don’t need to connect every house immediately or in general, you just need to connect enough to meet the demand

[@danrueter]

Also motorways do not use road tiles so if you are short on road tiles you can use them

[@CityPlannerPlays]

Good tip! So tempting to connect them all!

[@danthiel8623]

Gotta connect them all

[@ethanmatheson5263]

If you made a colab with the civil engeneir gaming channel it would be the perfect creation and video

[@alienamzal477]

Collab between Matt and Phil. Please

[@alienamzal477]

The channel is Real Civil Enginneer

[@wakrusgumbo]

I was going to say: City Planner Plays and Real Civil Engineer need to do something together. It's really interesting too, seeing the difference in road designs between a brit and an american.

[@MortalSlayer24]

Yes I really want to see this

[@Zero238]

There needs to be a 2 player version controlling different cities but they share the tiles

[@calvingreen1215]

The key is diagonal roads diagonal house entries and segregate as much as possible gg bro

[@itsyourenotyour9101]

I feel like it ruins the game doing it like that. But I don't think the game is going off anything more than a puzzle in the first place. I just like it to look natural. Including adding those useless game ending stop lights.

[@calvingreen1215]

@@itsyourenotyour9101 I am confused. You feel it ruins the game by applying logic to a puzzle game to survive longer and acheive a higher score? Is that not the point of playing a puzzle game

[@ananshasheta926]

@@calvingreen1215 Not how they play it. I agree, I dislike watching and playing that way, the fun for me is making roads that flow traffic in cycles keeping things moving without segregation or an overreliance on motorways.

[@itsyourenotyour9101]

@@calvingreen1215 I said it ruins it making it look segregated. It's stupid, yet I acknowledged it is a puzzle game and you are basically forced to do it. If the cars were smarter you wouldn't have to manipulate it. Instead they always take the shorter path, instead of taking into consideration the actual best route.

[@mxpofficial3443]

@@itsyourenotyour9101 the game is to make roadways optimalised. Not to make it look natural

[@JKtunes]

Same as you, I intended this game to build a city with lots of connectivity, so each house has access to a variety of amenities (color). Apparently, that's not the case, our residents here only go to work and return home, or they are so patriotic that they visit only one type of mall.

[@ethanmatheson5263]

Alternate title: City planner watches city break down slowly in mini motorways

[@CityPlannerPlays]

[@OrangeC7]

Alternate title: KZbin viewers watch city planner break down slowly in mini motorways

[@Ro_Gaming]

@@OrangeC7 Alternate Title: Viewer Comments on Commenter which also Viewed Which said Viewing/Watching a City Planner Break Down in Mini Motorways

[@Chaps_Jr]

The biggest problem I'm seeing is the development. You've got businesses and homes popping up in random places, one at a time. Without the ability to plat out full neighborhoods and districts, you're stuck with these weird roadways that are either underutilized or overcrowded.

[@xheralt]

Therein lies the game's challenge.

[@MAGAMAN]

You can place roads to stop things from spawning where you don't want them to. For example, if you don't want a large building somewhere make sure there is only room for a house to pop up in that area. It's difficult with the limited roads, but can be done to an extent, especially early on in the game.

[@OrangeC7]

I feel like that's what really makes the game a lot of fun, because it gets exponentially more difficult as time goes on. That's why so many people end up losing at around 1200-1400 trips on the first few maps, because by that point if you have a remotely bad road design you've already lost. (I feel like a really big thing to watch out for is having to change roads around when there's already a traffic jam, because even if the change you made would be good in the long term it could completely screw you over before traffic gets the chance to clear up again)

[@xinlidai1642]

while it doesn't look incredibly efficient that's probably one of the most organized cities in this game I've seen in a while

[@iangoodsell]

“We need another culdesac?” Who are you and what have you done with Phil? 😂

[@legendaryone696]

RIGHT!! lmao

[@CityPlannerPlays]

Need more cul du sacs!!

[@SaltpeterTaffy]

Cul de sacs are real-life additional pylons.

[@belakovacs708]

So, this was fun! I don‘t think I have ever heard you this stressed, you usually have such a calming effect on me… A technical info: the mouse arrow is really hard to see, so it was difficult to follow which „this“ you were talking about. Not much you can do about that, though.

[@ethanmatheson5263]

I LITTERALY WAS JUST TODAY THINKING ABT HOW GREAT THIS GAME WOULD BE FOR U IM HYPED

[@flipsideroot]

YO I WAS THINKIN THE SAME THANG

[@nenben8759]

I wanna see biffa play. Edit: biffa played

[@maqueexxtv7241]

@@nenben8759 yes he did it was really great.

[@aaronhedgesmusic]

Everyone else playing the game seems to reach the conclusion that traffic lights are useless in the game

[@Rosiepedia]

And the roundabouts because cars give way while on the roundabout. Hopefully they improve it as time goes on.

[@kytheros]

@@Rosiepedia I wouldn't keep my hopes up, the game's been released for almost 2 years and it still operates this way. I don't see it changing much from what it currently is, other than bug fixes.

[@nickolaos]

@@Rosiepedia Yeah that seems like a bug

[@CityPlannerPlays]

Completely agree. I couldn't make them work to save my life

[@Rosiepedia]

@@kytheros the game has only just general released on steam so there will be a lot more players noticing bugs in this version. They’ve already tried to improve traffic lights although only by offering two instead of one. If they want people to use their optional features they need to make them actually useful. So far only bridges, motorways and tunnels actually aid gameplay.

[@MessiahOfRodents]

I kinda wish I one of the end of week options was a one time use "eminent domain" that lets you move a business.

[@jondough76]

Kind of hard to see what is going on in this one. Your mouse pointer is nearly invisible.

[@kytheros]

Its like a fly, disappearing whenever it moves because it blends into the scenery... XD

[@ogjohnsen4128]

Yup. Can hardly see the mouse pointer. Still a nice vid.

[@pedromartinez2347]

Maybe using the dark theme would make it easier to see. That's what the three dots on the city names are

[@deViant14]

@@pedromartinez2347 dark theme would make everything better. Even ony phone I had to turn off auto brightness cause this barf of whiteness theme has bad contrast

[@kyleclarke4845]

Ye I couldn't see it for most of the video

[@forgilageord]

This reminds me of trying to play with a much younger sibling; just as you start to be able to craft a narrative out of whatever random toys they've put down, they pull out the next box and start putting more toys everywhere. I love it! As a side note, I don't know what you could really do to fix it, but I find it a little difficult to track when you're talking about a specific area, because the cursor blends in so well to the largely light-colored game.

[@samueltrusik3251]

Tip: You can save road tiles by having more diagonal roads, like the roads connecting the houses.

[@bazzakrak]

I can't believe it, you are cheating on Verde Beach with this where nothing can burn?? Nono Sir, that is not good. Ahh nice to see you trying this out as well, it is a fun game for sure

[@Ghost_Command04]

Lord Myrtle is not pleased

[@CityPlannerPlays]

I'm guessing VB will punish me in the next episode, lol!

[@bazzakrak]

Well @@CityPlannerPlays I just finished the video where you crossed over for that trade school, and I do think they warned you :D

[@wtcajesuit]

After a while, this game just makes me feel itchy.

[@CuriousWanderer_]

This gameplay is so aesthetically pleasing. Everything's connected and I love the colors interact. It feels much more alive! I get that the most efficient way is diagonals and by segregating roads by colors and/or making subdivided neighborhoods to avoid long and diverted travels; but that's just if you're grinding for scores. This layout is more fun and I enjoy it better than stressing out strategies to shorten travels and efficiently supplying the demand. It's calm, peaceful, and stress-free. It really gives you the "feels" of playing a game rather than participating in a competition. ❤️

[@brenttauromusic]

Your content is some of the cleanest content I've ever seen. 4K, proper song attribution, great sound quality, great gameplay. Super inspired. Subbed.

[@CaneMcKeyton]

Other small hints though. Use diagonal roads when possible. It saves road tiles as it lets you move on both the X and Y axis with just one tile. Buildings summon the closest available car by route and will take that route regardless of traffic.

[@sodiboo]

4:04 you're redirecting that house to the right, but you should know that houses can have their driveways diagonal, so you could connect it down and to the left, forming a single light blue neighborhood connecting to a single point on the main road

[@alexanderwilson2709]

I was looking for a comment saying this cause of how much it frustrated me he didnt do it

[@extralyfe]

I think the first domino to start toppling everything else was Dark Blue being unable to access their super building very easily. instead of connecting the two houses in the middle with the motorway, you probably would've had way less traffic if you connected to somewhere near the six dark blue houses to the north and left them off your artery and the connected roundabout entirely.

[@xdesolateone8564]

This is some great stuff to fall asleep to when you haven’t slept for 24hrs

[@MandyPoppinz]

You can pause when something pops up and take time to consider it. Don't feel pressured by the clock, it's okay to slow down.

[@loganrobin5079]

Hi - this was really fun! The only thing was, I think it would be easier to follow what was going on if you set your mouse cursor to be a bit larger. Sometimes I couldn’t see what you were doing.

[@editiondutch]

Fun to see that more people from Cities Skylines also enjoy playing Mini Motorways! Gonna follow you're gameplay here as well, good luck!

[@CityPlannerPlays]

[@torat2970]

Really hope this becomes a regular game on here I love seeing your thought process on it

[@MMuraseofSandvich]

"So they're not going to let me do this logically. Well, it _is_ LA." Yup, he's an Angeleno...

[@robertguinn1272]

Can you make the cursor bigger in future videos of this game? I can't tell where you are doing anything on mobile 😂

[@CityPlannerPlays]

Absolutely! I almost filmed this on my Mac... I think I should have! Black, larger cursor! Next time.

[@DavidWMiller]

Agreed. Also, playing on night mode would hope, white cursor on a dark background is much better.

[@terranking3487]

First few minutes: If you were worried about road tiles, then diagonal would be good, until dark blues come along

[@mariomarin657]

Me: This looks so cool! Also Me: 15 minute mark... *Lethamyr's intro plays*

[@jaredtweed7826]

I was hoping I wasn't the only one who noticed that! As soon as I heard it I searched the comments for a solid a few minutes.

[@kkat069]

the way he is like "ew ugh" every time a house spawns is great XD

[@F0xtastic]

LOVE the video, but it would've been helpful if you could highlight your cursor somehow. It gets lost on the roads and a few times I didn't know where on the map you were working.

[@Lostmusicvideos]

I instantly love you for throwing up the track titles as the songs play.

[@jackjarvis5080]

"We definitely need traffic lights." He did not need the traffic lighs.

[@BlargleRagequit]

I managed to WRECK my friends' scores on my first tries just by prioritizing road hierarchy almost to the exclusion of everything else. It is really hard to avoid culdesacs everywhere though, that just gets worse and worse.

[@sassoy3370]

As a real civil engineer viewer this video pained me

[@e4envy303]

I heard more of Phil's soul and life-force leave his body here than all of the times the Verde Beach Arsonist burned down his school and forest preserve+zoo

[@degeweldigekaas]

14:09 Tom Hanks entered the chat

[@XDTheEmoticon]

We need co-op mini-motorways, so that then this guy and RCE can combine their knowledge to make the perfect city

[@haluz2281]

Small tips Houses do not need to be connected. When a house appears on a bad spot, I will not connect them. You can also use road tiles to block hous spawning in a certain areas. Try to avoid intersections. Red houses only need to go to the red buildings. When a blue houses spawn, I try to get them around and make small areas of Houses-Building. Use diagonals. It saves a lot of road tiles.

[@kiwikiwi925]

Use diagonals with the houses, not just roads.

[@TROPtastic]

It was really weird to hear 15:26 outside of a Lethamyr video, and even weirder to hear the song continue after the "intro"! Nice music choices!

[@tylerschunter3220]

This guys laugh is the best great video

[@NooPhorix]

I just became a subscriber! you are so nice to listen to, talking technical about traffic, both in this game and CS. I already learned so much from you!! TYSM

[@benclifford7891]

I'd been waiting to see this from you! Loved the vid and the game. It'd be great if you made this a series

[@MJ-tc4es]

“I’ve been a city planner for 10 years” *sounds like he is 25*

[@austinswearingen1662]

Love the video!!! I'm going to make one suggestion though... It's hard to see your mouse point at what you are talking about, you should do something to highlight where your mouse is, maybe circle where you're talking about or sort of zoom in on the mouse a little bit to get us looking in the right direction, other than that your editing is perfect!!

[@QuintecMusic]

You may not play the most optimally, without diagonal roads and whatnot, but I have to say, your builds are by far the most satisfying out of anyone I’ve watched play this. :) I could totally imagine something close to that road network in a real city

[@d_maboroshi]

Glad you are branching out! Been a fan of the channel since Bluffside, and I really love your Cities skylines series, but I was worried that you might not branch into many other games or that they wouldn't be as fun or entertaining. I'm glad to be proven wrong as you've kept uploading quality videos consistently. Cheers!

[@godjoey1]

I find the one thing this game needs, is that wherever there is a T-section or a crossroad, having the ability to choose whether certain directions have priority, basically choosing a 4-way stop or a T section stop rather than all having to be either lights/roundabouts or nothing.

[@PPGsubz]

You should collab with Real Civil Engineer and do this together through voice chat.

[@GrinderMayhem]

Love everything you do. What a treat! Thank you for all the awesome videos.

[@erinthomas3117]

I keep loosing where you're pointing to, your mouse is so small it blends right in! Other than that I really enjoyed watching you try to make sense of mini motorways xD

[@MTNMN]

His layout actually looks like a city? This is awesome.

[@zwilnik]

"I don't like the way this is laying out." "I'm out of road tiles!" Yep, that's LA. I'm in the red square over by PV. :D

[@traviswrigg5158]

"It's a really small town" Ah yes. Small town Los Angeles :)

[@alexperkins6405]

I've been excited to see you play, since I've been enjoying watching RCE play it. *fixed grammer.

[@rharbarenko]

CPP skylines: chill and relaxing CPP motorways: STRESS!!!! (I could hear the vein in you neck man! ) this was awesome

[@ACanadianPreacher]

No idea why but this was suggested 3 years after it was released and having played this game I'm just giggling at all the honest mistakes. Not segregating. Having all these cross roads, picking anything over the motorways. I mean you didn't know any better but it's funny.

[@LeigerGaming]

Great video. First of yours I've ever seen, enjoyed the commentary. Some constructive criticism: throughout the whole video I struggled to follow what you meant when you said "this", "that" or "over here" ... constantly searching the screen trying to find where a road is changing. In future it might be helpful to specify directions in your voiceover (e.g. "top right")... or highlight an area you're speaking about during the editing process, or perhaps a mixture of the two. For context, I'm watching on my TV with Chromecast, so there's a lot of eye travel trying to find the mouse constantly :) This is my only complaint about the video. Otherwise, I enjoyed it & will definitely subscribe to see more from you :)

[@halfbee7886]

You and RCE have both been doing your jobs for 10 years, which is impressive!

[@zaktodd5134]

Love then Cities Skylines playthroughs, content is awesome. Ever played Rimworld? Think you could make some great content for it! Keep up the great work man.

[@The_Arisen]

This is my first exposure to your channel/content, and I absolutely adore your speech and mannerisms!

[@lostkea6501]

It's beautifully and neatly layed out, as much as this game will permit...I think the city planning knowledge does help, at least with aesthetics.

[@nile2566]

Imagine choosing traffic lights instead of highways

[@rohan_barik]

Hello there CPP! This was a really great surprise and I'm so happy about it. The artwork of this game looks so peaceful and makes me remember about the TV show "Bob the Builder". I appreciate that you tried this game. ☺️☺️☺️

[@Megabooy1]

Really great video! This is my first time here and will be coming back for more for sure :) It might just be a me problem but I struggle with finding the mouse when you are talking about an area because the mouse is light and the background is light. Playing on nightmode (I think) will help people like me with keeping up :) Great vid again

[@OrangeGenerator]

it's nice to see you branch out and try other games. a good video!

[@LootGoblinGaming]

I like the commitment to just not move Motorway 1 to the Dark Blue neighborhood lmao. You can hear the panic the whole time.

[@KidTonyGaming]

I spent this entire episode starting aimlessly at the screen because the mouse pointer was entirely too small to see and blended in with the road, but I was still entertained

[@bob837]

I have no idea what half of the words he's saying means but I like the video

[@zombieinferno]

been waiting for you to post a video on this game! finally!

[@Strandedbo]

you have become one of my favorite creators to consistently watch keep up the good work!

[@Loaderdani]

Thank you for this! You provided really interesting perspective on the game. Would happily watch more of this series!

[@amasterofone]

One of the things that always gets me is once buildings are upgraded to circles cars can't seem to get in and out of the three parking spots fast enought to satisfy the trip requirements. It seems like it would make more sense that if a building gets upgraded then it would get more parking or at least another entrance/exit.

[@xerodeus2337]

one thing I learned. Cars will always slow down at a 4 way junctoin even if no other cars are there - but if it's only a 3 way, they will not slow down. So if you take a 4th road at a 4 way intersection and just move it over one tile, you'll have 2 3-ways, and no slow down.

[@tritiumH3]

I love this game! It's so abstract though, I don't know if actual city planning knowledge helps at all! But what am I saying, Phil did way better than I did.

[@LunaWitcher]

I'm completely addicted to this game and I haven't even played it yet. The marketing for this game for sure is working. I asked for it for my birthday ;3

[@Kelvoraax]

INSTANT subscribe for the popup showing the name of the currently playing song. It’s such a little thing, but I appreciate it SO so much ❤

[@jayd_nnn1101]

ABOUT TIME YOUR PLAYING THIS GAME!!!! LOVE THAT!!

[@minti1702]

Just wanted to point something out that maybe might help you in the future. If a game has a light background and the mouse is white, it's really difficult to track what you are doing. Maybe being more descriptive of what you are doing, instead of saying "these businesses", might make it easier. Reducing cuts could also improve this. I'm watching on a phone, so finding your mouse and then a cut happening made it frustrating to watch, as if I were playing eye spy for your mouse pointer.

[@lalalalalalalalalalalalalalaIa]

fun video! it’s so interesting to see them layout this way, and you are very entertaining:D

[@reuye7886]

you can press keys 1 and 2 and 3 to adjust speed and pause

[@rachiemarieeee]

I’ve been SO excited to see if you play this game. Good job I loved it!!!!! Thanks!

[@robbytickel978]

Idk why, but I've been recently introduced to people who play games that relate to their work, first a cibil engineer and now a city planner! I'm not complaining lol

[@jeffdeaf3590]

the fun part of this game for me is removing all of the tiles, and rebuilding your road system too be more efficient every week or so

[@dishaant1413]

Watching you play this is therapeutic, hoping to see more. And don't be scared of branching out from Cities Skylines, you're entertaining enough to make up for it😊 why not even Twitch 😌

[@sistercharlatan]

I bought this game yesterday and I am obsessed. Switching to dark mode makes it easier on the eye. I love the challenge not being able to plan fully brings, though when I have enough roads I will draw in where i want main roads so nothing grows there

[@NotCochon]

YAY what a treat to wake up to! I was really hoping you would play this :^)

[@NiminaeOld]

Turns out the civil engineer beat the city planner at the game, but we all know it's best when you work together. I'd love to see a collab between you and RealCivilEngineer