How dangerous is alcohol, really?

[@Howtown]

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[@AnthemUnanthemed]

next up, How dangerous are drugs, really? seriously please do this, you are really good at presenting facts and my bet is that your research will lead to the same conclusion, prompting different more interesting questions

[@TileBitan]

"a glass of red wine is just as good as an hour at the gym" saying that on TV should be held accountable

[@alexrogers777]

No surprise that came from Fox News

[@NakedAvanger]

Lots of thing should be accountable but we dont live in a fking fairy tale now do we

[@TileBitan]

Idk what's your point. Fine and make the TV broadcast retract their statement? It's not a fairy tale

[@NakedAvanger]

@@TileBitan my point is that nothing will change. And you role playing as the judge jury and executioner wont help either thats my point, how tf didnt yo uget that?

[@TileBitan]

@@NakedAvanger you can stand on the sidelines while the rest of us move the world forwards, that's fine by me too

[@thereadingsylph]

The problem with a lot of journalists, especially on online media - with pressure to produce so many news in a day - is that many of them don't understand research methods. They don't know how to interpret data, don't know how to quote findings. All of the things that you guys are really good at. What you guys do is amazing, and it takes capacity and skill to do it.

[@Jertude1981]

It's also important to note that there is a bias of sorts to what gets published in scientific publications. Journals want to present the latest, revolutionary research so there is an incentive to support findings that grab a lot of attention and will get them additional references. It's like their version of clickbait. Scientific journals aren't going to be interested in the latest study that re-affirms the conventional notion that alcohol is bad for your health in the long term.

[@madgepickles]

whether they understand or not, under capitalism they exist in a system that incentivizes quick and controversial or shocking/surprising answers

[@thereadingsylph]

@@madgepickles yes! Highly agree. Its also the industry itself that forces them to operate that way

[@thereadingsylph]

@@Jertude1981 true!

[@johnyoung1601]

@@madgepickles Easy answers are a problem under any -ism. Bright reporters deserve to be paid, even though they may make mistakes and even though the consumer must do his part of the lifting by using his brain.

[@veritasium]

Great episode! Thanks for breaking this down so clearly and with nuance. The world needs more of this

[@JosGeerink]

Omg it's Derek!

[@OldNewsDaily]

@@JosGeerink nah it's some intern on his team probs

[@bothrealting2598]

Sup nerds 🤣❤️

[@Enyo-vn6vx]

Surprising that "two drinks a day" is being referred to as a little. It's really a lot to average two drinks a day

[@SneakyBeakySpy]

Yeah, one every day seems like not a lot to some extent, but 2? That's more than two six packs on the weekend if we're being generous, since I'm assuming you're not gonna drink two every day unless you *really* are in deep.

[@siiri8902]

​​@@SneakyBeakySpy We have to remember that the "standard drink" these studies are referring to is a pretty small amount of alcohol. If you go out and get drunk on a Saturday, and for you that means drinking multiple drinks with heavy alcohol content, that might actually get you to that "two drinks a day" average. But I would also like to see studies that break down this "light drinker" group into even smaller categories! After all, there's a big difference between people who have a heavier pour of wine for every dinner (which will take you into that "two drinks a day" category) and people who will only have that with a fancy weekend date night every now and then, and don't drink at all otherwise.

[@SneakyBeakySpy]

@@siiri8902 Yeah that's very fair, I guess I didn't really consider how much "a standard drink" is

[@ToomanyFrancis]

My first thought was "two drinks a DAY... in this economy?". That has to be well above average in many countries. To debunk what @siiri8902 said, there are actual defined measurements that are considered a "standard drink". In the US, where study that came to the conclusion that 2 drinks a day is beneficial was done, a standard drink of alcohol is .6oz of pure ethanol, equivalent to 12oz of beer that is 5% ABV, or 1.5oz of liquor that is 40% abv. It varies from country to country, but I would personally say that is an accurate definition of a standard drink of alcohol in the US. It does seem the most popular measurement for a standard drink internationally is 10g of alcohol, or .4oz, which to me seems pretty low being a 3% 12oz beer or just 1oz of 40% liquor, but that doesn't apply in this case.

[@Digital_DW]

@@SneakyBeakySpy Especially since a "standard drink" can vary from a country to the next. One (1) "standard drink" in the USA is a drink which contains 14g of alcohol, whereas there only needs to be 8g of alcohol for a drink to be considered one standard drink in the UK. For instance, in the UK, a can (500ml) of beer at around 5% is about 2.5 drinks (so with just a can a day you are above the 2 drink/day limit). In the USA, the same can amounts to around 1.41 drinks. In Japan, where a standard drink is defined by a drink containing 20g of alcohol, that same can is just shy of 1 drink. So it's all around pretty messy and it would be useful to know what standard unit is used in the video (though I would guess USA).

[@ManateeMentality]

Next thing you’re gonna tell me is that smoking is bad for you too.

[@oOblackeaglleOo]

😂

[@Roguerebel297]

Yeah it is. Thats why I only vape now 😏

[@artemtalanov3205]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@boRegah]

​@@Roguerebel297 you silly troll

[@Marta1Buck]

​@@Roguerebel297too bad, I'll tell you that it's bad too😢

[@veorEL]

How the heck are you guys so good at this, reporting and following the evidence ? I mean not jumping to conclusions, is this what jurnalism teaches ? I need to get this skill too ! Congrats on another gem of a video.

[@boRegah]

Are there people out there who teach your ways to the others? Or is there no big market for this? More like sensationalism und flat out bullshittery for engagement I suppose At least we have Howtown

[@ThisIsWideAngle]

This information has been reported for a couple of years. But they do a fantastic job in presenting the facts and show the context.

[@jojojojojojojojojojojojob]

Its all publicly available data.

[@veorEL]

@@jojojojojojojojojojojojob sure but the discipline and drive to sit down with this information, not jump to conclusions, not force a result... that's not everyone's beer.

[@mehmetgurdal]

You need to have a nerdy perspective. When someone comes up with something crazy or out of ordinary ask for details, metadology and results.

[@zkMenno]

This channel quickly has become one of my favorites. Keep up the good work of investigative journalism

[@xxbondsxx]

same!

[@chrisjohanesen]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="567">9:27</a> imagine being a heavy drinker for 40 years and then finding out you were in control and drinking non-alcoholic beer the whole time 😂

[@artemtalanov3205]

😂😂😂

[@Can80]

mfw i have 40 more years

[@FloatingLeaf1111]

Thats what you get for not reading the label you freak.

[@Hersatz]

People ingesting >intoxicating< substances and claiming it does not do damage is one thing, but to claim that it makes them healthier is an insane level of copium.

[@Dancingonthesun]

^^^this I'm an addict and yeah, dont kid yourself. Every drug kills you in its own unique way

[@gu4xinim]

Imma call it and see if I'm wrong. The reason few drinks show better outcomes is that correlates with people with active or more healthy social lives.

[@gu4xinim]

I was only partially right and learned new things. A good outcome.

[@Howtown]

But I think it's good you have the instinct to think about those confounding factors

[@CoffeyMayne]

That was my thinking as well. Very interesting.

[@devilmay]

Yeah. That's what they said about disproportionate income. It was in the video.

[@ejc5105]

I guess some reasons too, but learned a lot

[@jojoh265]

Hank's Razor is, hands down, the phenomenon that I have personally noticed the most out of any confounding factors in experiments. Or, wait... Do I only notice it.. because of my own socioeconomic status...

[@Howtown]

😂

[@FlameQwert]

Jojo-H's Ancillary Razor Extension

[@Joshua-w5hJ77]

Never drank in my life and people judge me for it. These studies were always in the back of my mind and I was worried that not drinking might be worse so thank you for making this.

[@TGMisKillingTheMiddleClass]

My 17-year-old brother has no interest in alcohol despite it being freely available at my mother's house. She keeps trying to tell him he will have to start drinking in college too socialize properly... He's a straight A student with a cheerleader girlfriend. He doesn't need alcohol It's freaking wild that this deadly poison is so ingrained in our societies. It kills more people than all the other drugs combined

[@CountryMusicSavedMe]

Hey Josh, you don’t need research data, or the content of this video to be validated for your choice. You should know that when people judge you for not drinking, the truth is it is not you they are judging, they are simply revealing their own self imposed feelings of inadequacy for not having your conviction, and some will even try to make feel like you are judging them, even though that is not your intention at all.

[@yes-gs2rd]

@@TGMisKillingTheMiddleClass Last sentence is just flat out ridiculous. If everybody was on hard substances society would fall. It's also one of the biggest contributors to crime.

[@jamesgriebler]

Sober 3 years. Never felt healthier

[@Verchiel_]

Hell yea. I've grown up surrounded mostly by people that were into drinking, be it family members or friends, but i never really had the chance or desire to drink. Past year i've drank a few times heavier than before and realized for myself just how addicting it was. Got drunk for the first time alone in my room and craved to drink for the next month and a half. It's awful.

[@vcostello712]

Coming up on 6 months! I thought I would miss it, I thought I'd have a hard time socially, but actually I don't miss it at all. Neither does my bank account 😂

[@TheSmark666]

You will own nothing. You will eat the bugs. You will only drink water. You will go to work for the mega corporation. You will be happy or else!

[@limitisillusion7]

I've been sober for awhile now, don't really know how long. Quitting alcohol wasn't really difficult for me though so I don't consider it an accomplishment. I used marijuana for awhile and quit that too. Exercise and good nutrition kinda solved my need for that dopamine hit I guess. I have a feeling a lot of people are chronically undernourished, and that causes them to seek unhealthy coping mechanisms.

[@punkdigerati]

There are many alcoholics who believe they are only "moderate drinkers." There's also less research on "occasional" binge drinking, ie on the weekends.

[@alexrogers777]

Binge drinking is occasional by definition

[@masonhock6442]

@@alexrogers777 I think their question is more along the lines of, "7 drinks per week: 1 per day vs 7 in one day". Pretty much how much different would that impact things, even though the quantity is the same.

[@ToomanyFrancis]

@@alexrogers777 This is just not true. Binge drinking is the act of drinking a certain amount of alcohol within a certain amount of time. The numbers I've generally seen in my safe alcohol sales training are 4 drinks within 2 hours. If you do this every single day you are still binge drinking every single day, and it is not occasional.

[@DustinLaGriza]

Once, several years ago, I tried to google how much an alcoholic drinks after watching TV shows portraying alcoholics. I've known several people with a fifth-of-hard-liquor-a-day habits that I'd classify as alcoholic, but what about the average alcoholic. I could get no answer. literally every search result was in the form of "If you're questioning how much you drink, you already have a problem". OK, but I wasn't asking about me, I wanted to compare those on the TV shows. So I still don't know if 2 drinks a day make someone an alcoholic or if one drink a week (but REALLY needing it!) makes one an alcoholic. I did hear a stat on the radio from Britain that said "Researchers found that of those who have 4 drinks a day, 25% are alcoholics"--which made me wonder what the other 75% were.

[@burakkose481]

What I don't get about the study is how 2 drinks a day is a "moderate" drinker? That is basically an alcoholic, someone who is regularly consuming effective amounts of alcohol. If it said 2 drinks a week, I would understand it. Drinking a cup of wine while eating or having a couple of beers during the weekends with your friends is what being moderate should be. I would be interested in how that would really affect you.

[@bbqR0ADK1LL]

These studies measure 'standard drinks'. A 330ml beer with 5% alcohol is 1.3 standard drinks & a generous pour of wine could easily be 2. I don't think that kind of averaging is reflective of the way most people drink though. It's easy to imagine some Italian family that has exactly one & only one glass of wine with every meal, but in the real world people might drink 7 standard drinks on a Saturday night & then stay sober for the rest of the week. I suspect those health outcomes are not going to be the same.

[@hanskover]

@@bbqR0ADK1LL Oh lol, then a drink at the Oktoberfest would be 4 drinks.

[@ChasingWaterfalls99]

“A cup of wine”. Are you 16?

[@ToomanyFrancis]

@@bbqR0ADK1LL The study that is being cited was done in the US where a standard drink is equivalent to a 12oz (350ml) beer that is 5% ABV. Either way a person that actually drinks every single day is very likely an alcoholic even if they don't recognize it. I would think it's safe to say that the majority of alcoholics don't even drink every single day.

[@JamesBurkhardt-n5j]

Bro that's not excessive drinking. Nor does it make said person an alchoholic. Excessive driking is drinking 5-8 high percent beverages a day every day. That's the point I'm at. I'm trying to cut down to the very reasonable 2

[@bunkertons]

I've been sober for 15 years, and when someone asks me why, I simply reply, "It's poison." People always laugh, but I am completely serious.

[@TGMisKillingTheMiddleClass]

I hope to say the same in 15 years, I've already slowed down a bunch and recognized my unhealthy relationship with alcohol. There is no 'one drink' Starting with 2025, and I have a feeling after one year I can get over all the social drinking aspects. Anxiety won't get better if I need liquid poison to get through social shit

[@fergusrandall7623]

Wow you’re so much better than everyone else!!!

[@Spratdragon]

​@@TGMisKillingTheMiddleClassYou should try hypnotherapy. I have heard that's great for anxiety.

[@nekhumonta]

So is fish, red meat, candy....

[@phobics9498]

Yeah subtitute alcohol with mercury by your logic because both are poison. If it hurts you over a long time thats just "unhealthy", not poisonous

[@krissp8712]

I still remember Joss's Vox video about Asian Flush! This feels like a spiritual successor in some ways.

[@hamaljay]

Joss who?

[@vinny9152]

@@hamaljay Joss Fong used to work for Vox

[@naeemulhoque1777]

When people talk about the dangerous of alcohol, they mostly talk about the health damage it cause. And ignore all the social problem it cause. From drunk driving to wife abuse to money waste... No intoxicant is good for us, if you combine all the harm that it causes, it will surpass whatever minuscule benefit that it may provide.

[@fastertove]

Everything in moderation.

[@DarthObscurity]

Uhhhhh..... You at least know that most drinkers don't drive or abuse anyone, right? Like, huge majority. People drive bad and abuse people with no alcohol, too, so there is no way you can tie those behaviors to alcohol without testing it. Those people might be that same way without needing a drop it just so happens that they also drink. Get it?

[@Sco10]

But people like you forget one important aspect. It's fun. And most people don't turn into addicts. You clearly missed the point about Hanks Razor. If it can be explained by socioeconomic issues, it's probably socioeconomic issues. Alcohol alone doesn't make anyone punch their spouse lol. Alcohol works as a mood multiplier and removes inhibitions. If you're having a great time with friends, alcohol makes you have a greater time, and makes you able to relax more, talk about subjects you never would have talked about sober, do things you probably wouldn't do sober. For most people this leads to fun nights out once in a while. I have made so many friends, gotten so many great experiences etc from drinking alcohol ~weekly during college and monthly now in my adulthood.

[@markrobber5252]

​@@Sco10 Yes but you can also having fun without alcohol. In the end, it's up to our choice

[@Yous0147]

Yeah, the thing is, whatever benefit alcohol might have, if you look at its impact holistically with a sober view, it's always a net detriment. Equally importantly, the benefits alcohol might otherwise have had could easily be replaced by alternatives that don't have the same detriments, if you're willing to change habit and cultural behavior. That is the hard part, because as social creatures changing that starts with the individual but ends with the group.

[@Tesswrench111]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="815">13:35</a> Actually it should mean exactly that we will not drive our cars. Places which rely on public transit and biking have massively lower road user and pedestrian deaths.

[@pikapomelo]

Maybe a follow up topic on how safe travel is by type of transportation and share of transportation modes in the area. We have tons of deaths and injuries from having lots of car use, but is the individual safer in a car? I don't know. To your point though, I'm not sure if the person being shown connects the dots that cars are very dangerous and maybe we should make it easier for people to use them less.

[@filozofwielki1121]

Yes, we can still make less people drive cars (making more competitive options) as we tell people to drink more occasional.

[@bobthecomputerguy]

And still the biggest risk for people using public transit, pedestrians, and bikers, is being hit by a person driving a car. Also, I bet one of the biggest contributors to being hit by a driver results from the blind spot created by parked cars on the side of the road.

[@flexibrain7018]

I was thinking just this!

[@dc2guy2]

came here to say this #notjustbikes #strongtowns

[@Howtown]

Anybody doing Dry January? How's it going?

[@Baronnax]

Every January is Dry January if you never jived with the socially-sanctioned poison in the first place 🤙🏼🤙🏼🤙🏼.

[@CarrotFarmer]

Ive been doing Dry Life for all my life. As i cannot drink. And do not want to.

[@JadTawbi]

Dry Life 🙂‍↕️

[@kaivoormolen1825]

I'm gonna get absolutely hammered tonight

[@dburgin2557]

Itt seems the easiest way to not drink is to never have started

[@Practicality01]

So refreshing to listen to an earnest attempt at answering the question rather than picking a side and arguing for it.

[@AverageJoe928]

Great episode, your channel is quickly becoming one of my favorites! Don't know if you'll see this, but I've always had a question about the format that you use. It's setup as one person acting as a layperson, responding as though they have little to no knowledge of subject. Radiolab is a good example of this approach as well. It's always come off to me as somewhat artificial. Radiolab in particular is almost egregious in how far one plays the "I'm surprised by every statement being made". Is this genuine in that one of you is going blind into the discussion, or is the discussion crafted to try to represent the responses/questions that the audience may be having? Regardless, really enjoy the content and hope your channel really takes off!

[@Howtown]

We've experimented with how much the "layperson" knows beforehand ... for this one and the animal sentience one, the non-expert (in the case of this episode, Joss) came in completely blind. But honestly that makes it pretty hard to edit because we kept going on tangents. For other episodes we've shared an outline before we record the conversation just so we have a general sense of the direction and can be more efficient. I interned at Radiolab once upon a time, and for the episodes I witnessed, they'd record a bunch of conversations as they went along - and the first conversations contained genuine reactions which they would try to use in the final product. But then as the weeks went by, the recordings would obviously become more ... informed - Adam

[@AverageJoe928]

@Howtown thank you for the answer! I think one of the reasons I like your content so much is that Joss (in the case of this episode) doesn't actually come off as a "layperson" but instead as a person with a science background that's just not familiar with the details of the topic (which, as you've described, is completely genuine). Other shows are sometimes so jarring in how much one presenter acts as though they have no background knowledge even though they've been performing science journalism for years! Just a long winded way of saying that I think your entire team is doing a fantastic job!

[@Howtown]

Thanks so much! it certainly helps that Joss is super smart

[@Katask0p0]

@@Howtown I really like the format, like you're taking turns telling each other cool stuff you found. I know it's complicated, but I'd love to get some more of those tangents.

[@SeanTBarrett]

Great question. I'd like to concur that the "one person is pretending that they don't already know the story and reacting as if it's their first time hearing it, but it's not really" in non-fictional / educational material like this really rubs me the wrong way, but I don't recall ever getting that feeling from Howtown. I guess that behavior just feels dishonest in a way I don't like from non-fiction, especially "educational"-y non-fiction. (All acting is "dishonest" in this sense, and I imagine that's why people think it's ok, it's just acting, but ugh.)

[@thejesuschrist]

I found this extremely fascinating! Love your work, love what you do.

[@sinsrow8975]

Why did you turn good ol’ water into wine if it was actually bad for us 😢

[@anotherspawn]

Omg Jesus! I'm a big fan, been following for years

[@kiyoponnn]

​@@sinsrow8975 jesus was satan all along

[@SmileytheSmile]

Of course you would, running your blood distribution industry and all that.

[@michaelskoomamacher5652]

can you turn water into henny instead?

[@kartaiss]

You're quickly becoming one of my favourite channels on KZbin :)

[@Krunschy]

I love how well this captures just how complicated it is to research drugs, or for that matter almost anything. All of that research of the 20th century was well executed, it's just almost impossible to actually eliminate other factors. Also props for the smoothest subscribe plug I've ever seen.

[@rmhbernoff]

The whole episode I kept thinking of Maintenance Phase's episode about the French Paradox -- part of the "some wine is good" craze in the 90s seems to have originated in the way that different countries label cardiovascular deaths, with French doctors less willing to note "heart attack" as cause of death. There are a lot of confounds here!

[@kingvadanite1816]

A topic you might feel is worth looking into could be the ideal sodium intake. I feel the general narrative in society may be to cut down on salt (and therefore sodium). I am not so well-researched on the topic, but I think there may be some conflicting studies on what is the ideal sodium intake - with lower sodium intakes potentially having drawbacks. Furthermore, those that exercise frequently may benefit from sodium.

[@Croz89]

AFAIK sodium guidance may be based on those with hypertension. Those without hypertension can probably consume more safely. Salt of course has a lot of benefits beyond the minimum needed to survive, it extends shelf life without the need for artificial preservatives. It also make lower calorie foods more palatable.

[@tristanketterer1352]

I don’t normally comment on KZbin, but I’ve just recently discovered you all and have been blown away by the rigor of your research and the subsequent simple, articulate presentation. Reminds me of everything I loved about peak Veritasium. I also love the way you two interact - healthy, enthusiastic collaboration. You’ve earned another earnest subscriber. Excited to see more!

[@DaveSlutzky]

Unfortunately shades of grey don't grab headlines. This was a great episode! Thank you!

[@JS-1222]

Found your channel because of the hot ones video and stayed a subscriber. I love the way you convey information. You know the video is entertaining when 17 mins feel like 5 mins. 👏

[@Porygon2fren]

Question: Is the "2 Drinks a Day" an absolute value of 2 drinks every single day, or is it more in line with "An average of 2 drinks per day in a week? (14 drinks / week)". Is this research applicable to someone who say has 7 drinks on Friday and 7 drinks on Saturday? Does the rate of consumption relate to any health outcomes?

[@ZvonimirBoban-k1l]

The rate matters a lot, and the 2 drinks per day usually mean just that, an average, which is one of the problems with many studies. Another is that the type of alcoholic beverage consumed matters too, and that is not discussed here. I posted a comment regarding these issues as well.

[@Alyx0.2]

One of the most goated channels on the platform

[@brianthomas8411]

As a chronic relapser who struggled for years and done a LOT of research and reading up about the effects of drinking, you are better off drinking one night a week and maybe going kind of hard than you are just having 1 drink a night. when you drink every day, your body is never given time to recover. you will get stuck in a cycle of drinking at night, feeling good, passing out, waking up hungover, repeat ad nauseum. Im truly a believer that NO ammount of booze is good for you. Coming up on 3 years sober and i would never want to go back to the life i had drinking.

[@lucieciepka1031]

Many people hide behind “one glass a day” and have difficult times facing the fact that they can’t skip that “one” glass. Same goes for that “Friday night drink” as long as “occasional” means “every X” it’s bad. Good for you. I stopped smoking 4 years ago and it was so hard, I can only imagine how much harder it would have been if every so often someone would say “here have a smoke, just to say cheers, you don’t need to smoke it, just hold it for the photo”.

[@MrJimheeren]

Congratulations. Keep it up

[@TGMisKillingTheMiddleClass]

​@@lucieciepka1031When you drink liquor that one glass can be a lot of alcohol 😂. I have an alcoholic buddy who sometimes just drinks two beers. Except they are 40s

[@bombombalu]

Alcohol also increases the risks of accidents, domestic violence and other violent crimes. On the other hand, it can enhance your social life and benefit your well-being. Something a study could barely even cover. At this point, it's not about the alcohol itself. I think it makes little sense to look at individuals. The more important question is, does alcohol benefit or harm a society as a whole.

[@stianh6164]

Good point

[@57thorns]

Imagine sitting in a retirement home, and not being allowed a beer or smal glass of strong spirit once per week (whatever you fancy, peoples taste varies) because is has detrimental health effect. You lived past expectations, you are no longer in peak condition and that special moment once a week will bring back good memories and improve your mental state. But not, if you drink that amount of alcohol, you might shorten your remaining life span by a day or two (theoretically, based on someone drinking three times that every day, so 20 times more).

[@ErackEMM]

“Why would you recommend someone drink for heart health?” Stress kills too. A drink when you need it can definitely take off the edge of life.

[@BrutuxMusic]

I have some interesting self experiment to share. A couple years back in my mid 20s, a bruise on my toe would not heal. It kept on my foot for over a month, and I had it checked, finding I had poor circulation in my extremities. I studied possible solutions, and it turned out wine was particularly good at improving circulation. For a year, I kept at one glass a day, finishing a bottle of wine in about seven days. The results were astounding. Not only did it heal my feet, but improving circulation happened all across my body, and I have not felt very cold ever since. Even during winter, I wear relatively light clothing, and some of my heaviest coats have fallen entirely out of use due to being too warm now. This effect has persisted well after stopping my daily drinking, and I am on my fourth year now of only drinking maybe twice a month.

[@FloatingLeaf1111]

Was really hoping at the end you had quadrupled you wine intake. You wouldve had me.

[@BrutuxMusic]

@@FloatingLeaf1111 Thas a lot of wine brutha. I would have started spitting fire by then.

[@fortysevensfortysevens1744]

this is not a scientific experiment

[@Kennedy_matt]

I spent so many years of my life under the spell of alcohol, depression and severe ptsd. Gained my freedom with the help of nature using mushroom (psilocybin) precisely. After my experience with shrooms five years ago every bottle of alcohol I picked up tasted like literal poison. I would take one taste put out the alcohol. I haven't drink since, no more depressive mood and ptsd. Few doses of shroom experience made a 15 year 4 bottles a day drinker quit instantly. Shrooms are life changing. There is no way you can put into words what it feels like..

[@Micnesia-c1l]

I love hearing great life changing stories like this. I want to become a mycologist because honestly mushrooms are the best form of medicine (most especially the psychedelic ones) There are so many people today used magic mushrooms to ween off of SSRI medication- its amazing! Years back i wrote an entire essay about psychedelics. they saved you from death buddy, lets be honest here.

[@Morrisbraga-jm9lc]

Can you help me with the reliable source 🙏. I'm 56 and have suffered for years with addiction, anxiety and severe ptsd, I got my panic attacks under control myself years ago and they have come back with a vengeance, I'm constantly trying to take full breaths but can't get the full satisfying breath out, it's absolutely crippling me, i live in Germany. I don't know much about these mushrooms. Really need a reliable source!! Can't wait to get them

[@CathieGomez-mp8sk]

Yes sure of mycologist Pedroshrooms. I have the same experience with anxiety, addiction. Shrooms can really help break the spell. Whatever spell you may be under.

[@canerbakar-jv2si]

Thanks for sharing your story. That's rough I sympathize. Save your health save your mind. Life is better without heroin, cocaine, alcohol and cigarettes. And you have more money in your pocket. God bless everyone who has rejected the devils intentions to be addicted to alcohol and cigarettes etc which can cause so much damage to health. I will pray for you all.

[@yes-gs2rd]

Replacing one addiction with another 😂😂

[@sebastiandorrington6195]

Loved this video! Came accross Howtown in the beginning of this year and I am really enjoying the topics your team presents. You're able to present dense research in an engaging way through entertaining story telling and compelling graphs! Very great stuff, thank you!

[@Hagaloogy]

These videos are so great! The information is well put together, the graphics are beautiful, the style is unique, and Joss & Adam are very charming presenters!

[@marianolaguzzi]

As someone who, ever since I was a kid, decided I would mever drink a single drop of alcohol in my whole life, I'm glad this video exists, so I can send it to all the people that act like I'm some weird alien species when I tell them I don't drink, never have, never will

[@Spratdragon]

Shame you wouldn't want to try something that makes music sound better. Bring up old funny memories and laugh harder than you ever could sober. You don't have to get really drunk. That's not nice. Occasionally doesn't matter. At the end of the day we are all going to die. It doesn't matter what you do. A very slight risk is worth it. Just like getting sunlight. It's a cancer risk but it feels good.

[@MadsMilk]

@@Spratdragon if you want to have fun without much adverse side effects as compare to alcohol you should try LSD or low dose Meth and Ecstasy

[@scubasteve6175]

Yeah you can do what you want but it's also fun to live a little and know what it's like from time to time. Just like the guy above me said

[@Oberon117]

I'm a student scientist, just about to finish my masters in environmental biology. Your channel is like a breath of fresh air! I think one of the major problems with modern 'news' and 'informative' outlets is the fact that they only cover topics on a surface level. I really appreciate the fact you look into the data itself, you don't just take it at face value.

[@Howtown]

Thanks!

[@Oberon117]

@@Howtown Keep it up!

[@a28s990]

Alcohol is a drug. It also dehydrates your body. There's no way something like that is healthy. Another thing is the fermented foods that produced alcohol as a side effect but were ingested as a whole, not just the filtered alcohol

[@Jack_MacColl]

You all are creating some of the best video journalism out here. Not only is the journalism excellent, but cutting together a cohesive narrative thru your interviews, b-roll, sound ups, and your own to-camera segments and animations, all as a two-person operation, is incredible. Oh and love the beer-pouring montage hook-if you were going for style from Edgar Wright's 'The World's End', you nailed it!

[@WolfTheTrueKing]

As someone who is cutting back on drinking at a young age due to: 1. Wanting to get fit (alcohol + gym = why bother?); 2. Seeing how much harm alcohol does to my mood when drinking even once a week; 3. Absolute hypochondria and paranoia of fear of cancer. The "putting into perspective" part of your video was very insightful to understand that last part with less fear and more respect. The early corrected curve seems to compound exponentially between 0-2, and understanding that eventual (before casual) drinking is not the end of the world. Yes there is a chance that I might get on those 60 something people earlier, but its so diminutive that its wiser to listen to your own body and not stress too much about it while still in conscious moderation. Tldr: thank you so much for helping an anxious numbers guy that sucks in biology make sense of this news

[@TJBasham]

I swear, I just found you guys earlier this week, and you have already become one of my absolute favorite channels. I've watched and will continue to watch everything you release.

[@handlehandlehandlebars]

Great video. It shows why it pays off for researchers to revisit older findings. And Hank's razor is the coolest things, will definitely start using it for my own research and teaching!

[@inajosmood]

I'm incredibly happy with your content. Your explanations are clear and engaging, and just to the right level of depth for me to get a first grasp on a subject.

[@epicon6]

How about brain health? Most ”even 1 drink is dangerous” articles i’ve seen tend to be that i’s bad for your brain because it’s a solvent

[@alexrogers777]

Yeah I it's not like alcohol is going to give you dementia with just a few drinks but it does impair the blood-brain barrier which leads to all kinds of things over time

[@TNH91]

But that's what's needed to clean up, right?

[@Croz89]

Water's a solvent, that by itself doesn't make something toxic.

[@tyberius1313]

The two drinks a week Guy has become a heritage moment in Canada. When you mentioned it, I was really hoping you were gonna include that shot of him.😂

[@benkim6969]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="997">16:37</a> I bet the pressure was pretty high to get that in one take haha

[@kappaklaus2671]

It looks like it wasn’t the first take 😂

[@jagi7976]

It’d be interesting to see the effects of binge drinking specifically. I might drink once every couple of months, and end up drinking between 5 and 10 drinks and sometimes blackout. I’ve heard that that may be unhealthier than just drinking everyday

[@potloodgum]

Loved the ending!! Admitting that its messy and hard to research is the best answer, cause its honest.

[@carllinden533]

Why does cheese not cause heart attacks? Because fat doesn't cause them, sugar does. Also sitting all day typing comments exactly like this one.

[@kompassorpigo7600]

Fat does too, specifically the one cheese is rich in.

[@CountryMusicSavedMe]

Hey Carl, totally agree. You wouldn’t happen to be keto or carnivore, I am 60, high fat, high protein, and doing great.

[@CriticalEatsJapan]

Drinking daily, even just one, sounds like you might have a problem...

[@steve17]

Ah, so Vox and NPR came together and created this masterpiece of a channel?! Love it, keep up the amazing work! Love your channel and the topics you cover!

[@tomfoolery3142]

Excellently researched, very informative, and entertaining the whole way. Great video that answered something I've always wondered

[@Dhejdjskd]

Alcohol causes more harm than any good it could do.

[@simonklein6588]

Love how you used the paintings as illustrations of your story.

[@nielskooloos5726]

Once again an amazing investigative video!

[@lucieciepka1031]

Me and my husband stopped drinking because we were afraid that coupled with the constant fatigue, we wouldn’t be able to wake up if our daughter cried at night. Now we allow ourselves the occasional drink when we have guests/ we are invited and I can tell you that it hasn’t contributed positively to our lives, but also just straight out refusing a drink is weird… so yeah, I get the J.

[@usukapal]

Started my non-alcohol journey last summer and needed more videos like this to show people that question my decision!

[@joeyagati2138]

I look forward to all your videos. You guys are top tier

[@leahbaer11]

What we also forget is that humans have been regularly drinking alcohol for thousands upon thousands of years. Beer, wine, spirits. Rich and poor. And they certainly had much better health than we did (all things considered, no or less diseases of the modern world)

[@kirillblago5220]

I like you and your content sooo much!!! Thank you❤❤❤

[@TheYoutubeUser69]

German here, our Alcohol manufacturers are so incredibly powerful that the stopped a left leaning government from enacting stricter rules on alochol advertisements. It is especially bad in bavaria, but the issue is nationwide. we are a drunk af country and legalising weed has only increased the problematic look ppl have towards drugs.

[@pranshukrishna5105]

I Heard Germany is very relaxed with alcohol. You are seen as wierd in social gatherings, it is part of various festivals and celebrations, and even teens are relaxed about it. Is all of this true?? I don't know since i don't live there

[@pranshukrishna5105]

Legalising weed is considered as progressive and part of leftits. Are you conservative?

[@Tinil0]

Yeah, the sick person thing is absolutely true. I would hate to be in one of those studies because I am an almost complete non-drinker...but that is largely due to the fact I have multiple serious conditions that leave me disabled. I would seriously fuck up the numbers for non-drinkers, but it entirely reverses causation. Me not drinking didn't make me unhealthy, me being unhealthy made me a non-drinker.

[@andrewweinstein4374]

A follow-up video or piece of research I’d love to see is on binge drinking and the health effects of different patterns of alcohol consumption. For example: What are the long term effects of having 7 drinks in one sitting once per week vs. 1 drink per day every day? Or: Despite the total consumption being higher, is it better to have 2 drinks per day than to have 12 drinks in one sitting weekly? This feels particularly relevant to teenagers and young adults

[@astroboy1593]

Your data representations are so good, what do you use for these graphs and bar animations? Imagine making office presentations like these

[@hugmynutus]

really enjoying you're content. keep up the good work 👍

[@aidanchen8714]

The subtle subscribe sign at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="71">1:11</a> is actually hilarious

[@robertmueller4420]

Am I the only one who is shocked that 2 drinks per day is considered moderate? This seems incredibly high to me and I'd consider myself an above average drinker amongst my college friends

[@Howtown]

I was surprised by that definition as well!

[@IntentionalSpellingMistakes]

At <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="88">1:28</a>, you mention the common assumption that cheese might 'cause' heart attacks. There are many similar claims made about saturated fats in general, cholesterol and also red meats on those topics. All of these are often purported to be very unhealthy by the media and even 'health' organisations. How bad are they actually? Could you make a similar episode on that?

[@sobtrax1846]

Saturated fat is needed for hormones, in normal consumption doesnt contribute to heart disease.

[@MegaBanne]

Here in Sweden there is a trend to get wrecked like once or twice a week, but avoid drinking between the parties. I can easily drink up to 21 standard units of alcohol once in a week. That is a lot, but not if you spread it out as 3 drinks every day.

[@ohirok]

thank you guys for your videos!! love it

[@AlaskanLost]

This is one of the best channels I sub to. I try to watch every episode the second it drops. Keep up the amazing work

[@maximilianpitscheider5034]

That was a very good video. Clear, data driven and neutral. Awsome.

[@avichalmishra5725]

Thank you for making this video, this was really helpful 🙏

[@timsws]

Please make a video on your reporting! Its amazing how you can keep up the engagement, have a clear storyline while doing great investigative journalism.

[@hanemroz]

Love this channel and have already learned so much since discovering it a few days ago. Would love to be able to listen while I am walking or not able to look at my phone. Will you be releasing content in podcast form at some point?

[@hrisdev4]

Incredible video. This channel is certainly going to be one of the leaders in info videos on YT in the future.

[@BenjaminBalderas]

I can’t state how much I love this channel

[@alexplaysplaysplays]

Amazing animation and motion design in this one. Superb work. Keep it up!

[@HowToNguyen]

I've been waiting for this one, another great video! We were just talking about that J-curve in the discord, but I didn't even stop to consider "hank's razor". Will definitely be making time to go through the list of sources you guys used for this video.

[@adamgreenhill110]

Instead of a "J curve", I call it the "Just Do It" curve

[@Telecraster]

Awesome video as usual folks. Just wanted to add that I especially enjoyed the thumbnail on this one, bravo. :)

[@Howtown]

Which one did you see? We’re testing 3 …

[@Telecraster]

@Howtown a big red "no", a giant beer glass, and a terrified mini-Adam. 😂

[@Howtown]

nice - thanks!

[@CasperA]

I am thoroughly impressed by this video, this was so good.

[@Keith-Robinson]

Amazing episode! Thank you so much

[@krisspatrick8902]

This channel is just amazing, the way yall communicate topics is really unique, ive been binge watching your content and Ive learned so many things, keep the great work! (also, amazing editing!)

[@nolanshaw5895]

You both are doing great journalism! Love this channel

[@bensecker]

Excellent video, so glad this topic was chosen, I've been feeling anxious about not drinking for a while! Great animations and research. Subscribed and looking forward to future videos 😃

[@okuno54]

I feel like the best way to quantify whether something is dangerous and whether you should do it is to compare it to other activities. I'm reminded of Penn and Teller's policy is not doing any magic tricks that are more dangerous than just staying at home in your living room. There are plenty of things I do just for fun Even though they can be dangerous, but I basically draw the line at "is this more dangerous than my daily commute?"

[@SteveJonesOwnsDSP]

You are doing God's work -- dispelling bad data and debunking bad stats. Only with the truth can we move humanity forward more clear-eyed. Subscribed.

[@azores15]

I'm a former long-term moderate drinker, slowly tapering down. I hear everyone talking about folks who have one or two drinks a day, as if there's a whole class of alcohol consumers out there who actually do that. There's not. Tolerance sets in, and two beers simply won't do anything for you. It certainly doesn't give me a buzz, and I'm a lightweight who never could drink a lot at one time without vomiting from dawn until dusk the next day. I guess I could sum up my position by saying that very few people who drink on a daily basis limit themselves to just one or two.

[@Thingwithlegs]

Gosh I love this channel, every but sensationalism ❤

[@Steve1257]

Thorough and informative, clearly explained the somewhat complex contextual information. Kudos!

[@gamerguy765]

really appreciate the effort you put into these videos. Loved this one, thank y'all. Earned a subscriber. Also I have to call out Cadamole that I learned your biologists St. Patricks day song many years ago and was delighted to see you on a new channel.

[@deadsippy]

you two are quickly becoming a favourite for me. as a researcher, i feel safer in the hands of you both. keep up your amazing investigative journalism! ❤️

[@musalmaniac6328]

A subtle "subscribe" sign. That is why I'm subscribed.

[@az904444]

I would love to see the mental health factors included into this. Maybe also researching how alcohol consumption happens in blue zones would be interesting.