Is a SMALL eurorack system worth it? - And how to do it right!

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Hello everyone! Here's another video focussed a bit more on thoughts starting with and building a small eurorack setup. Feel free to ask questions and or share experiences!

[@CatFish107]

Does this little system only have the single envelope / function generator? I'm not that familiar with ZADAR, but it looks like you can define your own waveform, so that's neat. Ooh, I see now( about 10 min) that it has 4 triggers and 4 outputs. So you have a quad arbitrary function generator, and can turn a vco down to lfo rates. Nice choices. Now to unpause and see what else you have to say.

[@CatFish107]

12:10 correction: I bet you could do 4 or 5 independent voices with that system, if you set the filters to resonate, and use them as sound sources as well😮. I don't know if prism will sing, but I bet that Erica vcf would roar.

[@TangoDelta70]

For someone who has been eyeing Modular for a while, I really appreciate you sharing your knowledge and experience on the topic and not just showing off gear a company wanted you to advertise, etc.

[@turbotambourine]

This channel definitely has so much of that. Lots of knowledge and learning to ingest that will help you out if you choose to go the next step and dip a toe in so you don’t find yourself waist deep without the lovely jams you’re seeking. I’ve learned so much here!

[@TangoDelta70]

@@turbotambourine Cool! Thanks!

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Hey, very happy to hear it, thanks for the kind words guys! All the best :)

[@racalik]

dont go into modular, honestly 😄

[@TangoDelta70]

@@racalik it’s already too late for me! LOL!

[@ThMntnst]

Great essay! - A point that you tackle in conjunction is "relative pricing" where I have made my experience and formed a decision once (and want to share my "story"): A few years ago, I was fed up with the 300 - 500 Euro synthesizers I hoarded - I felt that any new synth in that range did not really complement the other ones. I came to learn that after acquiring a fine groovebox-sampler, a poly- and a monosynth everything else was not really necessary. So I saved up around 1400 Euros to get one huge synth that added well to a the groovebox. Therefore I sold other synths to slim down what I had. "Destiny" called here: The new synth (by a immensely influential brand) had problems upon arrival - long story short, I had to sent it in for repair immediately and after every repair it returned with a new flaw (6 times!). This took 6 months of "owning" it, while having it in possession for around 3 - 6 hours overall. (For "safety-reasons" I want to point out, that I had a bad stroke of luck and this does not make synthesizers bad in general!) The fact that I had NO synthesizer at hand for months everytime made me so bitter that I then said: "Please refund my money." Now that I had back my money, I told myself "you really wanted to get into that patchy-stuff" and used the money to get a case, as well as around 5 modules that enabled me to really use a modular - even if limited. While still experimenting with the things I had gotten, I learned what I liked and ordered some other modules slowly which would later on replace others. I noticed: My modular might not be perfect, but I don't need to replace it as a whole for a different filtersound/ for snappier envelopebehaviour/ for more waveshaping. I could just keep it, invest in the part that was lacking to my taste and go on. And this, to me, is the core essence, for the bold statement, that Eurorack is "relatively cheap" in the long run: Many people can't afford to put in 2.500 Euros at one throw, but they can invest 100 - 300 Euros in a rate of a month to maybe three months. They can anticipate changes in a system that feels comfortable slowly, exchange only a few parts if they like to and make "the" synthesizer better suited without beginning all over again. - Looking at some artist interviews, I read things like "the filter of that synth didn't cut it for me, so I got this synth" - and honestly: this means that maybe the envelopes, the lfos, the oscillators and whatnot DID cut it for them so these did not have to be "doubled" with another complete synthesizer. Essentially, that's why I feel modular equipment (of any kind really) has it's investment-advantages (at least if you like hardware). - And to point back to my "big-broken-synth-desaster": Of course some modules are or get faulty sometimes, but I can send them in for repair and most of the time remain with some kind of synthesizer, that I can still operate while waiting for the repair/ replacement to arrive. And lastly, about the maintopic of your video: I have to admit, that I did WAY more when I had said small system at hand because I focussed strongly on squeezing any drop of functionality out of every single module that the system contained at that point. - So slimming down a system like a bonsai-tree once everywhile keeps it workable and improves the needs you developed by working with it. I do so in runs where I'd sell around 3 - 5 modules I do not need and reinvest in 1 - 2 modules that are better suited. I have build a huge cabinet-case that features so many HP of space that by current interest in modules, I am simply not able to fill up without acting "gas'y".

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Hey, thanks for sharing! Sorry for the bad synth experience. As this stuff is expensive we like to believe it's flaw-proof. But it's just products. I had quite some with flaws or quick defects as well. I appreciate you don't bash the company, that happens to fast on the web. But it's no fun of course. Also think building a system part by part, or expanding from a desktop module is the way to go. I really ment this video to be a guide for people who have some XP and want to build a 'small' setup. I think most people starting out will partly have to try and explore options to find out what works best for them, and I won't recommend slapping down 2k on a 'design' you havent' grown over time. Interesting video topic on it's own :) For me I also often get more focused things done with separate systems, which is why I build multiple setups for different purposes in my studio. All the best!

[@t1daljpg]

+1 on everything you said here. This was my experience, except in my case more around drum machines and finding the one that did what I wanted. I started in modular a few years back with the goal of building a standalone drum machine of my own design for techno, with the added benefit that I could swap things out as needed without having to rotate through whole new drum machines with completely different workflows, and over the last few years that's evolved into a full-featured techno groovebox. While it may admittedly be a sort of boring use of modular to "simply" have a techno groovebox, the time saved and headaches avoided by having everything where I want it, with the functionality and workflow that I was looking for, all within a single (relatively) compact box powered by a single power supply was absolutely worth the money spent. And if I ever want to change the system again in the future, I can always make a solid amount of money back selling used (and have already saved a ton buying used initially). Not to mention all the cool, weird modules out there from smaller makers with functionality that you just can't really get anywhere else (thinking of companies like Nonlinearcircuits and Schlappi Engineering in particular). Much more interesting than buying yet another Roland box or whatever lol.

[@mmmattodoteth7922]

Good points imo, it’s nice to be able to pick and choose specific components and not get a whole new box each time

[@ThatSockmonkey]

This resonated very strongly with me. Your experience is very similar to my own, except I also got into diy at the same time. Making synths is almost as much fun as playing them!

[@echomodular]

I always love videos in which the thought process of module selection and how they work together is explained in detail, and this one is one of the best, thanks! I definitely fell into the "cool module" trap more than once, especially because I didn't understand what I *actually* wanted to do with it. And by that I mean, I had a vague understanding, but not to a level of detail that would enable me to make good decisions. Luckily, I heeded the advice of including utilities from the start, and I'm glad I did.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Hey, thanks for the kind words! There's a lot of truth in the fact that people will mostly need to explore and experience things for them selves to make the best choices for their situation. But if some people feel guided by some points I make I'm happy. I'd say the one about utilities is the main one I hope to get across, so glad you already did that :) Cheers!

[@CatFish107]

A good 3x MIA alternative that I picked up is the Frap tools 321. Mix, attenuate, invert, and offset, ac/dc, and 2 mix outputs, one with all 3 channels, and one with only the channels without a cable plugged into the individual channel out. Mix outs also have a switch to throw -6db attenuation on the output for each mix out.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Very true! There are a couple of good alternatives, all with subtle variations. I never owned the Frap tools 321, but checked the manual a couple of times as people brought it up, great module. Think Ill do a re-make of my mia video with a few alternatives and options some day. Cheers!

[@5kMagic]

Some great points made in your video. I can certainly relate to buying ‘impressive’ modules. I started my journey with money to spend and not much knowledge about synthesis, although I knew I wanted to work with samples in some way. I faced a choice: MPC or modular… I chose modular because it could always ‘do more’ than an MPC. 3 years later, I’ve learned a lot (getting an oscilloscope helped a lot) and feels like I’m at the ‘finish the instrument’ stage now. If I knew what I was doing from the beginning I’m sure my system would be smaller, but that’s ok, the lessons were necessary. I love the journey, no regrets! It’s become a lifelong interest that can evolve with me.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Thanks! Oscilloscopes are great to get a better understanding of what's going on within the modular, I have a simple one and use it all the time! And also think a big part of the fun of modular is the journey of exploring an improving. All the best!

[@mscgr-i7c]

Extremely informative film!

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Glad you like it! This was fun to put together, and I ended up using this setup a few more times since then. I'm only getting more plans! It's fun to show and work with a compact setup :)

[@mscgr-i7c]

@MonotrailTechTalk I'm so impressed by the thoughtfulness of this setup that now I see nothing better than to repeat it. I'm a complete beginner in modular and planning to make a similarly small setup. I understand electronics thus can grasp the modular, but whithout hands-on experience it doesn't help with choosing the usefull modules, though I would like to pick up modules for my taste. It's a catch 22. Do you think repeating someone else's setup is philosophically a right thing to do in modular? Especially when modular is about uniqueness.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Yes and no. Access to modules or a showroom is not so easy for a lot of people, so looking at videos is a great way to get a feel. If people are using and getting results from a module in the way you like it, that’s a good way to make a decision for yourself. On the other hand I would never recommend to copy an entire system. Instead, start small and give yourself space to learn. It’s very likely that with more hands on experience of your own, your opinion on the ‘perfect’ setup changes. The setup shown here is a sequenced dual voice. You could start with one of those voices or a selection, based on if you like the more analog hands on side, or if you are ok with digital multi functional modules, explore that, and see where it takes you!

[@mscgr-i7c]

@MonotrailTechTalk Thank you for the good advice and for your great channel!

[@tublarge]

So happy I found your channel just when I got my first module (MI plaits). So instead of getting a keyboard I got the SQ-1 (which you showed in that vid) - and I’ve had so much fun with that combo! Thx for sharing your knowledge and inspiring patches!

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Hey, thanks for letting me know! These kind of comments make it worth it! That setup sounds great :)

[@JacobSkriver]

Loved this episode 🖤 So much good advice. However I don't think I would have been ready to answer the initial question in terms of of what I would want of my system when I first entered modular. My point is we probably all have to learn from our own mistakes.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Hey, glad to hear it! And very true, more people said this and I agree. With these videos I hope to give some people some handles to consider, but indeed everyone will have to go on a personal journey to explore and find what works for them. This personal example system is also only possible because I have used and tried a lot more things. All the best!

[@ChrisEchoesMusic]

Your microbrute is in terrific shape. I've kept mine in studio almost entirely for about 7 years, and even with good care its knobs have started aging strangely. Thank you for making this system video. I've been speccing a system over and over for about a year now, and your explainers have been a huge help. This especially, since it is self contained and talks about so much interplay between modules. For my mind it works much better than deep dive on one module alone. I hope you make videos in the future that maybe involve two specific modules and how they work together.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Hey, thanks for the comment! Happy it helped, beside a few isolated cases I will keep up the non module specific videos this year! Also, the microbrute is lovely, and treated it well, but the knobs are very gross and sticky. They where advertised as 'soft-touch' plastic, horrible mistake, haha. Will try and find some replacement knobs some day. Cheers!

[@ChrisEchoesMusic]

Great to hear. Really looking forward to those. I have Plaits and an Univer Inter thus far, but I'm mostly aiming for an effects/modulation rack for audio in my studio rack. Plaits was a bit of a misadventure, but when I found one near mint I couldn't say no. And now you have me looking at the oscillators you featured. Wish me luck. All the best with your coming videos. @@MonotrailTechTalk

[@Stigstigmamatata]

This is great, as always. I started down the modular rabbit hole in 2017 and quickly learned that utility modules are key. I never thought I'd be so excited at a quality made, thoughtfully designed vca or logic modules but it is the main thing I get gas for at this point. The small system is great because it really requires a certain level of forethought to design but once it is assembled those well planned small systems are great for finding those elegantly simple patches. I have always enjoyed that simple elegance in your patches. Keep up the good work.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Hey, thanks for sharing! I have the similar love for clever utilities small setups, and plan to use this system for a series of patches and ideas that could be approached with other modules as well. All the best!

[@LeonTrimble]

Beautiful video. I have tons of modular but none of these and I’d live to play with this system for a week.

[@anastasia0zardonova]

I miss mylars suggested system videos... This gave me a similar vibe and i would love to see more of this type of video!

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

That series was excellent! Mylar is a grand-master in general, so happy this gave you something similar. I plan to use this setup for a patch video or 2/3, pushing it into different genres. But who knows, always possible to share more setups in the future! Cheers :)

[@AmericanAstroMonkey]

I went down the Rabbit Hole in 2015. I have both eurorack rigs and keyboards, to produce ambient and sequenced music in the style of the Berlin School format with a modern twist. I have watched you for many years, and was always impressed with your sound being produced from the same minimal modules. You rarely added to that original equipment, except with what appeared to be carefully thought out decisions. I have two main rigs, which can work independently, and indeed I tend to use them in that way, combined together. I now have two smaller rigs, that I am configuring in much the same way. The good news is now, that a certain German manufacturer is stirring the market to be more competitive. It's never been so good is my opinion. Keep up the great inspiring work.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Hey thanks for sharing! Think it was around 2014 for me, so about the same time. Before I started this channel I agree on that vision, haha. I never even sold a module for years and years! Now modular has become my main job modules move around faster, but I accept that. As far as my performance and studio setup go though, that still evolves only very slowly. I am always a bit against swapping and changing, but rather dive deeper. Cheers!

[@AmericanAstroMonkey]

Dive Deeper is that key phrase. As you pointed out many newbies buy big expensive modules but miss out the utilities. Next thing they realise is that they have a One Trick Pony. Love your audio patch diagrams. Very clear indeed.

[@iancain6647]

I would love to see you talk about the bloom sequencer in detail.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Yeah, has been on my list for some time, but will give it some attention in upcoming videos with this setup. Cheers!

[@iancain6647]

Awesome thanks man you've been a real teacher. We all love it.

[@soletey832]

Thanks, maybe you want to do a "rate my gear" of my beginner's setup and could give me tips on what's "missing" and different ways to expand: Niftycase - Cellz + Chipz + Capt'n BIG-O + Function Junction + Doepfer A121-3 VCF + A135-2 VCA + Rides in the storm QAM active mult + QPM passive mult. I am using external sequencing and effects. It would make an interesting video for not just me, I guess.

[@larsbergman5745]

Great video! One of the best on the subject that I have seen. Unfortenuately for me it's too late. I have already spent some 8000 € since 2018 and only become frustrated for never arriving at "The Finished Instrument". All modules (except for a Dreadbox Erebus and, for some reason, a Make Noise Mult (!) are gone. Now I hesitate to start over, but after seeing this I might do that one day soon. 😁

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Hey, thanks! I think it's a common problem in modular. I am actually working on a few more videos with thoughts about systems this year :) In any case, never to late! Modular is a journey and all experiences add to your knowledge. In general I always advise people to start with a fun semi-modular, and then expand with single modules if there is desire, so you are in a good spot ;) Cheers!

[@robinhay5235]

Another informativre and concise video 👍

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Glad you think so! And thanks for watching :)

[@jonathanyoung6397]

This is a great video. I’m relieved because I think I avoided most of the traps you mentioned! I would love for you to do a video explaining how to get signals into and out of modular some time. The world of input modules and mixers confuses the heck out of me !

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Hello, that's good to hear :) I didn't go in depth with input modules there, but did a video on how I record the modular a while ago, maybe answers some questions: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nXmvmZR7orWnfc0

[@CatFish107]

For the kid in candy store approach, use vcv rack. Modules, and cables are free, and zero current draw or physical space concerns.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Excellent idea! VCV wasn't around when I got into modular, but indeed it's an absolute great way to test a module or set of features in a setup and see if you can get from it what you want. All the best!

[@mmmattodoteth7922]

Great thought process and very nice sound examples! I just put together a similar system and this gave me a lot to think about

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Glad it was helpful! Enjoy your build :)

[@urluberlu2757]

Subscribed! For the moment I own a Yamaha montage since a few years, and i begin with the semi modular Neutron... Thanks for sharing!

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Awesome! Thanks for the sub :) Neutron is a great place to explore modular and patching concepts. Still recommend it to people a lot. Enjoy your journey!

[@GaryHayes]

Great simple intro for new entrants, good job! For me though when people ask I am very clear in asking them on the genre or area of music they want to create, as a techno lunch box will be much different from an ambient, or Berlin School or experimental sfx or drum/bass or retro 80s or rich chordal vs mono lines and so on ...

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Glad you liked it! I really see this as a video on a 'small' setup though, not as much a 'starter' or 'entry' setup. And would never recommend people to copy this, but always explore and find their own story and needs!

[@GaryHayes]

Yes I got that - but believe me, people will copy your small setup to the module! @@MonotrailTechTalk

[@iwanwesterduin]

Back before I was into modular, each time the GAS would hit I would purchase something that would make some other device that I already owned redundant. This felt like much more of a waste of money than expanding my rack, where each new purchase enhances the capabilities of my existing modules.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

This thought was also an important part for me going into modular. Also I felt the modular offered a constant growth of possibilities, rather then buying multiple synths that have 80-90% the same components. All the best!

[@turbotambourine]

I feel the same! Chosen wisely, each module adds so many more possibilities, patches and music! And with modular the question of how it works with everything else is a lot more straightforward. Possibilities not restrictions.

[@tychoclavius4818]

I would never have gotten into modular if not for the amazing DIY community online. If you don't want to spend a lot and you're ok with picking up soldering and learning electronics (which you might learn to enjoy eventually), this provides a completely different approach to modular. Forget small cases, no need for ten functions packed into one module, what you look for is guides on building simple modules, the building blocks that most of those wonderful patch ideas from this channel are made up of. Just like how this channel teaches how to build patches, others teach how to build modules, how to solder, and eventually, if you really catch the modular bug, how to build your own modules. I'm planning on building a sort of expander for my quantizer (which I bought, yes), that will allow me a workflow that's unique to my system. And it's cheap to make, so if I want something else, I've learned from this, played with it, and I can take what I learned to the new project.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Hey, thanks for sharing, that's a lovely approach for sure! And very rewarding to both build, and learn about things on a deeper level. Definitely recommend the channel of Moritz Klein to people interested into DIY, great guy, and great videos. Enjoy jour journey!

[@tychoclavius4818]

@@MonotrailTechTalk hell yeah! Also shout out to the Doepfer diy page, Barton musical circuits, Eddy Bergman, knopsl, benjiaomodular, kassutronics, and music from outer space :)

[@tychoclavius4818]

@@MonotrailTechTalk also, I wouldn't be doing this without your videos on making techno, and you're the reason the first module I bought was the 3xMIA

[@earanwe]

I really loved this vid. I have an 6u 88hp and still feeling its incomplete so its good to recap and think whats going on... About VCV... having a good computer is also a waste of money (its not if already have one) and also lo learn to use the modules and the program needs a lot of time. I think its a good alternative but not for all the people. I tried lot of times and always end with lot of stress and no music sounding, while I spend a couple of thousands in my rack, but there are lot of hours, gigs and records with it

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Glad you liked the video! VCV can be fun for people, to test things out, on the road, or other occasions, but I also prefer the real thing of course :) Cheers!

[@temporoboto]

very coolone thing i find useful in a small system is passive mults & attenuators to fill those small spaces💙

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Tools that are always useful! Although I have to say I got very used to patching with stackable cables :)

[@cybergshulz4328]

I’m waiting for the video about of those scripts you mentioning in the intro

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Haha, good to hear there is interest, but have to warn you it will take some time! Will mix patch ideas, and more thought-share videos like this going forward :)

[@griffithmorgan4966]

I always enjoy your videos. This one features some cool modules, but it's still an expensive system. Buying an ideal system from the start seems like a eurorack myth. As a low budget user I tended to purchase what was most affordable and also used. Part of that learning curve was money wasted on modules that didn't quite fit my needs, but you almost have to go through that experience of getting things you do not want/need. Obviously everyone has a different approach, but even that Qubit sequencer you are using is more than I have ever paid for a single module. Maybe part of the desire to use that is that it is an in the box (Eurorack Case) device. Yet, there are so many low cost options that are not in the rack and are still hardware based. I would be curious to see you do a show where you only use the least expensive modules. you could perhaps use a combo of low cost and things that can be found second hand. just as an example, the Sonicware XFM has a 4 track sequencer and can be found for about 200 dollars used. The Nifty Case has midi to CV and also can be found new or used for very little. Those two, or something similar seem like an Ideal combo. I use a Nifty Case and an Ensoniq EPS16plus sampler. I paid less for the used sampler than you did for that Bloom. For low budget users there is also the issue of availability. Those of us working within a low cost range often end up trying something that fits the need, but is not the exact same module we would like simply because it is what could be located, or we end up finding something we did not expect and aren't quite sure what it will do. As usual, I enjoyed your video. I'd love to see you try to make a system for 1000 dollars/euro. Or, use something like the Nifty Bundle and show how with a moderate monthly outlay one can build an interesting system.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Hey, glad to hear you like the videos! Agree that there is a big part to be said about going through the experience of building and customizing a system, think that is the route that will work for most, to discover what works for you. This setup is just an example I like, not one I recommend for people to copy. Also agree there are many options and alternatives! For example, my first sequencer was the Beatstep Pro, and I'd recommend that over the Bloom for most people in most cases, but it's personal! :) Over the last months I have been re-building a setup that is based on my first moves into eurorack. Mostly basic but good ingredients. Oscillators, lot's of modulation and tools. I will start with that series soon as well. Again, it's an expansive system in total, but very re-creatable with all sorts of tools, which a bit oposite of this more specific setup. Anyway, thanks a lot for watching, and all the best!

[@griffithmorgan4966]

@@MonotrailTechTalk I had to go look up the modules you used. I was mostly interested in the utilities at the end. I like the weird odds and ends that help make everything work and sound better.

[@turbotambourine]

Such a great and informative video as always! Great thoughts in how modules get paired up and how you should optimize that end result in what you are going for. It’s interesting though that as you have too many modules to fit a case, you have a better idea of where the space limitations are and what kind of patching you can get up to with the various modules. There are so many puzzle pieces that I don’t know that I could ever think of a system as fully complete. Even now as I work on some videos about a 4u case, I think about it more like I have the ability to have a cohesive, portable package that I can tailor for various uses. A case I might bring for myself to do some patching will likely be different than one I assemble to introduce people to modular. Though at 4u104hp you have a lot of space to create quite a bit so if you have a balanced system like you’ve chatted about you’ll likely have the ability to explore with a bunch of wiggle room in various directions. With the amount of modular you have, do you find you still get lost in a small focussed case, or do you just reach for the additional gear you have around? So curious.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Hey, thanks! Glad you like it. Have to admit I feel making a small case is better if you have tried and experimented a bit with modules, and found what works for you. But yea, I still often patch with sections of my modular. It got this big because talking about it is now my source of income, but if I had the modular just for music I would keep it more compact. For example I have a dedicated performance case that I can just leave patched, and don't use for videos. That's just luxury. I often find I am more focussed with a compact set of module, and gear and restrictions in general :) Cheers!

[@turbotambourine]

@@MonotrailTechTalk that’s great to hear actually and lines up with the benefits of limitations in the creative process. You’re right. A smaller case that’s cohesive is more challenging to assemble as you’re not to eurorack but is possible if you build it up slowly or implement advice from videos like this one.

[@akzeone]

Fantastic video and channel. I intend to build a similar small setup, i'm gathering as much knowledge as possible and your videos are exactly what i was looking for.. Mine would be a 104hp with most of your modules with some few changes. Instead of the 3xmia i'll use a Doepfer A-135-2 + Frap tools 321 and instead of the Qu-bit Prism a Qu-bit Mojave. And finaly an Endorphin Ghost instead of the FX Aid. You got a new subscriber 😁

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Hey, glad to hear you got some value out of these! That sounds like a fun setup :) All the best, and enjoy!

[@akzeone]

@@MonotrailTechTalk after watching your video on the 3xmia and from others youtubers i've discover the real value of this simple but powerful and usefull module. I'm reconsidering keeping it and pair it with anoter utility module. The downside it is difficult to find one available to purchase on the other hand i can order one directly with happy nerding 😁

[@MartinDoudoroffLLC]

A valiant effort!

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

I'll take it! Cheers :)

[@paulm3805]

One of the best 'how to build a modular system' videos out there. Have you done something similar on a bigger scale, for a 60 minute set, say?

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Hey, glad you like it! I did some videos about my live case, which where the first videos I ever did, so there a bit more uncomfy, haha. but still usefull: Case overview: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZ7dh4qur8Srn68 Live patch with the case (3 parts) : kzbin.info/www/bejne/pJ2pXoWAgdaAfKc I will re-do that video somewhere with my current live setup, as it changed quite a bit.

[@paulm3805]

Thanks for the response, I had a look at the 6u techno setup video too, also very interesting. You got my Patreon sub.

[@janhenckell4178]

I just had a 2hour fun jam with 4 modules: multicassa, benjolin 2, ghost and a mixer.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Oooh, that sounds great! That benjolin has been calling my name a few times already :) Enjoy the setup!

[@rayderrich]

The video I should have watched before filling my first rack. I am happy with the modules I purchased so far, but it is not a full system as I kind of forgot some utilities. Your advise will get me there in the end, just at a higher cost I think.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Hey, glad to hear it! Modular is a personal journey, and finding what is need for your wishes and setup is a part of that! Cost is a biggy with modular though, but enjoy the ride!

[@rayderrich]

The upside of the high cost per module is that I did not buy 20 more without thinking it through. I started some patches, added effects inside the DAW, and am already very happy with the outcome. Thank you.

[@mikegeary8056]

I’ve been experimenting with Zadar as an audio source lately. You can get some wild shit going on. Self patching it is nuts. For me I gotta have the expander. Makes it way more interesting.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Excellent! Zadar is great, and indeed for audio as well! Also really recommend the expander, those second CV inputs open up a lot of possibilities. I build this setup for a couple of videos, but use the expander in my main system as well. Cheers!

[@CatFish107]

Oh, one thought worth giving some time considering is the balance and tradeoffs between rack space, size of module, functionality of the module, and playability. Trying to keep the modules small, and cramming in functions has kind of bit me. Some modules are like playing a volca, and I end up sending cv from an external controller so I can use a decent sized dial.

[@CatFish107]

Your choice to go for the erica black series filter instead of the pico series shows you had this wisdom ahead of time.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Very true! Unless portability is an issue, in general i'd always advice to get a slightly bigger rack, so you don't have to worry about cramming as much in a small space. But this vid I did wanted to keep the mobile size :) Cheers!

[@keschgelb]

Excellent content! As always....

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Glad you think so! :)

[@JeanMarcLederman]

thanx, really cool vid and cool suggestions.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Glad you like it!

[@thelostbaystudio]

Really cool video thanks

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@ChristopherOrth]

Great perspective here!

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@phxx3054]

As have been locked in my flat since 2020 with Long Covid, my main objective was to turn my place into a spaceship ;) I think otherwise I could have remained very happy with my trusty Clavia Micro Modular.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Sounds like a very fair reason to build a space ship :) Wish you all the best with that, and hope the modular brings some good distractions!

[@PatternMusic]

This is really excellent information and well presented. Thanks. I guess one puzzle that remains is, how does a beginner know what they want to do with their modular without just diving in? I was in that place, and somehow I got to a place where I am happy and at peace with the instrument my rack had become and the GAS is gone. But I think I was just lucky, and I was able to spend about $6k to get there.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Thank you, glad to hear it! And agree, I see this video as some tips for people interested in building a 'small' system. I don't think it's very easy to do it from scratch, most likely people will have to explore and adjust things along the way. That's a big part of the modular fun! But some guidelines might help :)

[@channelite]

What a great tip, thinking of modular as an instrument. I have a empty 40hp case, I wonder what kind of instrument I could make it into.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Hey, thanks! I love trying things like that. It's a great way to test new things and try and push a combination of a few modules to the max. Enjoy!

[@turbotambourine]

Haha we’re on the same wavelength! Working on a smaller case video too!

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Hi there! Love your videos, actually watched a video you did with a very compact setup a while ago, appreciate the thoughts and editing you did. Thought I subbed to your channel already but went to correct that, keep it up!

[@turbotambourine]

@@MonotrailTechTalk thanks so much! That means a lot! Yes that was a small setup with the 0-Coast for sure! I want to do another one at some point that’s only the 48hp but it’ll have to wait for the right modules. Excited to check this video out and your thoughts once ai cap mine off.

[@turbotambourine]

@@MonotrailTechTalk oh and thanks muchly for the sub!

[@ElSWVisitor]

Really called me out with that "just a waste of money if you don't use it" 😂😂😂

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Haha, sorry about that :)

[@bassywax]

wise recomendations!

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Glad you liked it! Cheers :)

[@avmbet]

Hi! Absolutely love your channel, it's gold. Do you have a way to work within specific scales or keys or just tune each oscillator to do so?

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Hey, thanks! That's lovely to hear :) In this setup I am using Bloom as sequencer. It has a quantized output, so you can just set it to mayor or minor scale for example, Then just tune the oscillators all to whatever you want to be the root note of the scale :)

[@xavierxeon]

I would advice people to start with VCV rack to understand the principal of modular systems first .

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Agreed! But just to be clear, this is not my suggestion for a 'starter' or 'entry' system, it's just 'small' :)

[@SpeccyMan]

Advice is the noun. Far better to advise (the verb) people. By advising people you are giving them advice.

[@SpeccyMan]

@@MonotrailTechTalk I've started with Cherry Audio's Voltage Modular as I prefer it to VCV. I just find it more approachable.

[@gmreynoldsjr]

Nano! Love them

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Me to! Was very nice to finally meet the people behind Nano in person, friendly as expected :) Cheers!

[@CaptainAhorn]

Having gone through a fair amount of the same experiences, I’d advise anyone starting out to buy a Behringer Neutron. $200-$300 used, will teach you what you need to know about modular, sounds great, quite capable and flexible. If you don’t get into the hobby, you can sell it for what you paid for it. If you do get into the hobby, you can build a modular to complement the Neutron until ultimately your modular replaces the Neutron. Then sell it or keep it for portable experimentation. IMO there isn’t a better choice out there for the prospective modular buyer.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Hello, completely agree! Maybe I should have been more clear about that in my video, as some people mentioned similar things. My video is really meant for people with some experience who want to build a 'small' system, not for complete modular beginners. I also often advise to get a Neutron or something similar and explore and learn from there. It's what I did with the Microbrute. All the best!

[@CaptainAhorn]

@@MonotrailTechTalk Agreed, and there are definitely other good choices, but most require a lot more investment for a beginner. Maybe another idea for a video down the road could be “evolving a Eurorack system around a Neutron.” A Neutron plus 84HP of other modules can do a lot. Cheers!

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Thanks! Think that's an interesting idea indeed. Have a lot of plans, but will write it on the list. Cheers!

[@bonesetter]

"Focus on finishing an instrument" Is what made this video stand out for me. Perhaps i was suffering from that :) Apart from compression and eq - which i am going to add to my Drum oriented - 'mono' signal path rack, what would you suggest? I'm thinking about BBD Chorus Delay.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Hey, glad it added something to your thoughts! Hard to say what I think you should add without knowing your setup though! :)

[@bonesetter]

@@MonotrailTechTalk thanks for replying. Well, it's quite simple actually. Sound sources are One kick generator-NLC Doof, Hihat(HH), An FM Drum Chiasso, An FM Voice, Klangmaschine. I have a mixer(Phoebe) with Aux send where I'll perform dub style FX send. (System also has modulation, trigger and cv sequencers)

[@krachwerkstatt8112]

Thanks for the great video as usual. anything new about Bloom? Mine does mostly what it wants, and as i remember no updates and support ?! that's a shame, i like it actually very much!

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Glad you like it! Nothing new, should work as advertised though, then it's nice.

[@Metro6am]

Best to start with a semi modular then get some nice modulation and sequencing.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Hi there! This video is about my take on a 'small' system, showing it can compete with similar priced gear as an instrument. This is not a 'beginner' setup suggestion. I agree it's best to start with a semi-modular, or vst, or entry level synth!

[@lfarrolas]

Grerat video!

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Thank you! :)

[@wakax]

thank you! It really helps! may I ask what rig/box do you use here !? and what (this kind of size) rigs do you reccomend?! thnx

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Thanks! And of course :) It's a 84hp skiff from Eowave, wanted to take a shot of the side and mention it, but forgot. Eowave also has a sort of double pack version up to 6u 104hp. There's the Arturia rack brute, which is a bit more expensive, but also a bit more beefy. There's also the Nifty Case, and the very affordable Behringer cases of course. I used this size for the sleek look on camera. But if small size is not crucial to you I would recommend 6u 84hp or even 6u 104 hp. In the studio you will enjoy not having to worry about space to quickly, and not avoid modules because they are big. Cheers!

[@0ooDT]

Small is good. Large is good. It's a tool. Adapt it to you.

[@jjbing3]

Small is better! I had a bunch of modules and tried to use them all in one patch, all the time. I also tried to use stuff I didn’t even know what I did. 🤦🏾‍♂️. Sold all that sh*t and lost money. 😢. Now I have a Hydrasynth and am still learning to use it. Too much time sound designing and not enough beats. 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@CatFish107]

I have a small box rack full of percussion modules, microgrids, and drum mixer. Like a custom drum machine, and will play well with other modular gear and racks.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Hello! Agree with @0ooDT modular is a tool, and one of it's great features is that it's customizable to how you see fit! So this is just a personal example, as I have to say I share the love for small systems and diving deep. But flexibility is fun! All the best :)

[@fuzzpope]

Or, adapt to you adapting to it.

[@jasonfnorth]

7:34 sounds amazing... Want want!!! 😂❤

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Glad you like it!

[@nilsqvis4337]

I think it's worth pointing out that eurorack can be a lot cheaper if you're willing to make some things yourself. The case is a good example. You can easily build a wooden box for almost nothing instead of paying hundreds for a rack. You're still gonna need a power supply, which are usually built in, but if you buy it separately you're still gonna save a lot of money. There's also a lot of module kits out there that you solder together yourself and they're more affordable than the pre assembled ones.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Hi there, thanks for sharing! Indeed I think DIY is a great option for people who are either quite crafty, willing to learn it, or see being crafty as part of the fun. If that's the case for sure you can save some. In my experience though the time involved, tools required, and dodgy results when your not good at it yet, easily make the saving part very arguable. It depends on what people are after. All the best!

[@sonicspecter]

First small system advice that I actually agree with, but it comes too late for me 😂

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Haha, for me to! Have to admit these thoughts are quite based on having explored and tested more modules, but maybe someone can tag them along. Cheers!

[@Ryannaut_g]

What are your thoughts on digital VSTs being bought instead of modular equipment? Does modular need better understanding from its community or is the community ready to grow?

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

The modular community is growing faster than ever. Eurorack is bigger than it ever was. And VSTs are no threat to it at all! :)

[@Ryannaut_g]

@@MonotrailTechTalk Thank you for your reply. It's good to be part of a small community like this.

[@ClaudePN]

The small system you have built is a very good one and you can’t find this kind of thing in a semi-modular or complete synth. I think it is all about modular : build a system (even a small one) that you can’t find otherwise.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Glad you like it! And very much agree. I think the way a modular can 'compete' with other things is by doing something different. For example, when it comes to this setup, if you want keys and presets etc etc, a sub 37 or pro 1 would be better. But this modular setup can do a lot of interesting patches, and achieve complexity the others can come close to. All the best!

[@nosville22]

>Zadar mentioned My attention is here.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Nice to see there is quite a Zadar fan base out there :)

[@celestial5693]

Sorry if I missed it…what case is being used?

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

No worries! It's an 84hp powered skiff from Eowave.

[@Djmeniz1]

i love it do you have a list ❤💯

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Hi there! What do you mean with a list? :)

[@Djmeniz1]

@@MonotrailTechTalk parts to make it i love it

[@Djmeniz1]

@@MonotrailTechTalk + beat

[@donovanfisher6945]

What’s with the hands

[@StacksOvaflow]

What is the name of the case please?

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

It's a 3u powered skiff from Eowave.

[@fragile1980]

No output module?

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Not for me in this setup, but mentioned it at the end because I can imagine it would be interesting to some people. I just plug this into a mixer when in the studio, and I have a friend who build a simple passive dual mono to stereo jack with attenuator for on the road-headphone situations. That's a great solution to save expensive rack space and, well, money :)

[@fragile1980]

@@MonotrailTechTalk Great! Will need to think about it more and more as I like to experiment a lot. It’s hard to finalise a case but would want to one day. :) when i buy new modules I always think it adds a lot to the system, so it’s hard to focus.

[@CatFish107]

Sorry fella, but small rack can't happen here. I blame your matrix mixer and drone videos. Now I just get giggly and spend hours patching weird sounds, messing with feedback loops, and delays, and distortion, and audio rate shenanigans. The rack is useable in a pile of different ways, so could be considered "complete". But there's always the desire for more instrumentation, more sequencing, more fx, ooh that's interesting functionality I've not seen elsewhere!, etc.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Sorry about that, haha :) Most important thing about modular is still that you can use it any way you like! I'm aso very much enjoying my studio setup!

[@CatFish107]

​​​@@MonotrailTechTalk Watching this again, and I do have a small 4u waterproof case (pelican clone) filled with compact percussion, a grids clone, clock dividers, a bernoulli gate, 2hp Euclid, and the erica drum mixer. It's a very playable drum machine, and I call it my "beatbox". It works great as an addition to other gear, can take external clock, or serve as the master clock with ease. It only does rhythms and percussion though. I guess kickall can be pressed into bass voice service, but it would need controlling from elsewhere.

[@jukkauh]

For 2000 euros you can get an AE Modular system with 40 modules.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

There's a million options for 2K :)

[@jukkauh]

@@MonotrailTechTalk It's not an equivalence. It's my experience that AE Modular costs about 1/2 to 1/3 the price of similar eurorack modules.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Options aren't necessarily equal :) Agree that AE offers lot of great modules for great prices! I see people do amazing things with it. At the same time the range of options is not as big as in eurorack, and the size does matter a bit to me personal. So, id say options. Which is better or preferred comes down to, well, personal preference :)

[@peterkoinzell7983]

This dude kinda looks like Apex Twin

[@scottadams7820]

Small systems, long cables!

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Haha, agree! :)

[@pault4249]

i have to say no, i bought a 62hp palette case and i struggled with fitting useful modules into such a small format. i sold the palette case and bought a 7u 104 hp per row case.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Hi there! Have to agree, if a small size is not a main concern, more space is better! It's a shame if you feel you have to leave out modules because they are to big, a little wiggle space is always good :)

[@experimentalme7438]

Go Behringer System 55 clone... you get a modular wall for peanuts less than your small rig in this vid lol

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Hi there! Just in case there are people wondering about this: Size is a very poor factor to judge quality by :) I’d say my system and the 55 are about the same price range tbh, and I’d pick my setup any day of the week! Of course, to each their own, but here’s why: The system 55 is a clone of some of the most early modules ever made, these are very basic. For example: The 55 has 4 envelopes, these are all the same, and all very uninspired adsr envelopes without any voltage control or interesting features. My setup has 4 envelopes as well, but with a LOT more exciting features, and voltage control. The 55 has 7 oscillators, but they are practically all the same, and all very basic. No fun features, no sub osc, no random voltages or stacked waves etc. With sub’s included my setup has 5 oscillators, but with features and options the system 55 can’t even begin to imagine :) The Bloom is a lot more of an inspiring sequencer than the clone in my opinion, and so on. I don’t think the system 55 is great deal, unless you specifically want a Moog clone. Cheers!

[@snörre23]

I don't think anyone should beginn with eurorack unless he has a LOT of money to burn. 10-15 K for a beginning. A small system maybe makes sense if you exactly know what yout want which is not possible as a beginner, only after owning and trying more than 100 modules and spending all that money i might be able to configure a very small system. A beginner on a low budget i would strongly advise to stay away from it, buy a Neutron or a 0-Coast or a Volca Modular and play with that.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Thanks for sharing! But have to disagree. Keep in mind this video is about making a 'small' system, and not a 'beginner' system. Agree with buying a Neutron for beginners! And agree with you it will probably take a bit more time, money and experience to nail a perfect system when you're new, whatever perfect is to someone. But I think 2 to 3K is plenty to mess around and build something useful. I think I spend about 2,5K on my modular and then started doing live shows with that setup. So 10 to 15 is ridiculous in my opinion. I build a living out of modular without even ever spending that amount of money on it :)

[@snörre23]

@@MonotrailTechTalkI can't believe that. The three cases i see in many of your videos alone are 20 K at least. I have two and a half Behringer Go cases full, thats about 700 HP and the Modulargrid price sum is 13 K and thats not accurate because the MG prices are lower than actual cost. And my current wish list is about the same size.

[@MonotrailTechTalk]

Hello! Yes, my current modular is worth a lot more, that's very true. But that's because I do this full time now, and often use multiple cases to work on multiple videos / ideas / performances, reviews etc at the same time. Before I started the channel I was working with a modular, and performing with it, and only spend about 2,5k. I meant to say that if I just used a modular as a musician saving up for it a few grand is plenty to build a capable performance system, and people don't need 10-15 for a beginning. That being said, of course everyone's wishes are different, and free to do as they like :)

[@JonathanMLParker]

In answer to the video title. No.... no it's not. Just buy a proper synth. There are much cheaper and easier ways to make analogue noises.