Is Abbasid Most OP AOE4 Civ?

[@Joe-ij6of]

Beasty: abbasid is op Wam: prove it... best of 5? Beasty: alright 1st game: MIRROR

[@kralexprofill4571]

@@Joe-ij6of would be funny but didn't happen unfortunately

[@TheInfiniteDBD]

pretty stupid he went king vs abbasid 3 tc

[@dr.ozanoztavli]

This is pure swag. Calling a civ OP then accepting a challenge of one of the top players to bo5 vs Abbasid. No draft, no ban, opponent picks maps, picks counter civs and still winning 3-0. If all this is not enough, he then accepts opponent's offer to keep playing rest of the games because opponent says he played bad. Then finally after an hour long game making it 4-0. My dear friends that's how you defend and prove your opinion and you believe in what you said in a balls of steel level. Thanks to both players for this amazing content.

[@Opio-my2pk]

2:34 aging up with 0 0 0 0 resources in the bank is a thing of absolute beauty

[@bitcoinatlas6295]

im barely conq 1 and i age up nearly everytime at 02:15. my build order is more efficient than his. after that he kills me 100 of 100 times. but his abbassid build order is not Perfect.

[@orisitsteven]

@@bitcoinatlas6295 How do you start to get the 2:15 age up? I tend to get it between 2:20 and 2:30, but I wondered if you could shave off a few more seconds. I'm playing at low diamond generally.

[@sandycheeksyaboi9906]

@@bitcoinatlas6295what do you do better guy?

[@massimob4588]

​@@bitcoinatlas6295he did age up at 2.15

[@Falindio]

@@bitcoinatlas6295 I believe this is where "min-maxing" comes into play. Build orders can just be good enough while focusing on improving the other parts. Your attention to perfecting the build order might mean you have a tighter one than beasty, but I think it's better to focus on improving the other parts so you can achieve a higher level of play.

[@CybruMania]

2:33 0 food/0 wood/0 gold/0 stone @ age up 🤩 Can u even be that efficient @ a build order 🤩

[@bitcoinatlas6295]

im barely conq 1 and i age up nearly everytime at 02:15. my build order is more efficient than his. after that he kills me 100 of 100 times. but his abbassid build order is not Perfect.

[@emissarygw2264]

His age up is at 2:15. 2:33 is the video timestamp.

[@joeygk2990]

3tc at under 7 minutes is nasty

[@ChosenPlaysYT]

In team games it gets as low as 5:40 if the Abba is good.

[@joeygk2990]

@@ChosenPlaysYT yeah thats gross

[@kralexprofill4571]

2 hours of ABUSEID gameplay. Let's go baby

[@reikly]

Tnx for your vid. I want to ask u if u gonna continue your series about learn each civ, im waiting the ottomans :) . Anyway very tnx for your great content, see you!

[@pcs322]

I'm thinking (coping) that he was putting off Malian and Otto because of how much they changed in the patch. I'm also dying for JD, hope he finishes the series.

[@reikly]

@pcs322 yeah i read It, that he dont make the guide before the patch for that. But the patch is already live , thats why im asking if beasty gonna continue with that. Its very helpful , im also waiting JD and others

[@julianthegreat4995]

​@@pcs322 I play ottomans and i dont think they ve changed much, the idea is still the same. I play the same way as last season and have success but mostly at 2v2

[@PRADOvs]

This video is insane, great content

[@MochaManGaming]

Beasty we have pause now for everytime your headset dies🤣

[@colinfagan539]

Even in the game where Beasty's headset teamed up with Wam and led to him losing a half dozen vils, Abba still won easy

[@davidjb6914]

It's scary how fast the pop went up on the 1st game

[@vijayr3290]

love ya beasty

[@IorekMetal]

Why byz didn´t go for rams or siege on the first part of the match? Wam was throwing the Varangian under the TCs without much success. And the bombards at the end...

[@ETheeb]

Aaah.. I was there when they were considered underpowered, how the tides turn..

[@MiroslawHorbal]

Haha. They were my first civ when I played the game at launch. Those were the days

[@ETheeb]

​@@MiroslawHorbalthe funniest thing to me is that just like before, you always open eco wing, because obviously, why would you choose another

[@amh9683]

In Conq3+ Abba may be „op“ but overall they are fine. I am only high diamond / low conq and tbh. All these all ins from byz/dheli/HRE are very strong . China / shusi chug nu push is strong. If u make mistakes , like me , you often have a hard time. At lower levels of the ladder abba feels fine. It is most likely not the civ rather your play.

[@MassDonfel]

Issue is "Fertile Crescent" TCs are just too cheep. Just swap upgrades in Eco wing. for example - Improved Processing / Fertile Crescent / Agriculture. You can still get cheapter farms and TCs but in castle. If you are in Feudal you need same resources as others.

[@roberthiggins8234]

Abbasid main here. For 3 years Abbasid was below average, and now we are enjoying an OP tier S civ. However I suspect that we might be crying next patch once word gets to the devs.

[@too-many-phils]

haha "abbasid is OP, but other civs are OP too"

[@lightforgedcrusader2992]

All civs are equal, but some civs are more equal than others😊

[@Gentoo89]

I don't think this test makes sense, if you did it all over again and Wam took Abba, you might still win all the games. :D

[@highping100]

I think the reason eco wing wasn't consider op is bcz fresh food was in TC Also every further % buff of discount, will lead to extra time save on TC timing

[@txbrandt]

OG abba main here. It wasn’t considered OP until beasty said so. It really ain’t that different from how it was a year ago and maybe in conq it’s slightly different. But as he always says… “tier list NOT for gold league”

[@yukun7229]

eco wing=eco win

[@emissarygw2264]

​@@txbrandtI don't think it's possible to have an objective opinion if you only play that civ. If you win a bunch, matchmaking will just put you against stronger opponents until your win rate is 50/50 again, so it's always a going to "feel" balanced from your own perspective.

[@emissarygw2264]

​@@txbrandttbh even playing against Abba won't give an objective opinion either bc if it's OP then matchmaking will put you against weaker Abba players, if it's underpowered you'll get put against stronger Abba players. I think the closest way to be objective is to play it equally with other civs and see if it performs better or worse. There's not a lot of people who can do that though.

[@hamzasm1316]

All the Civs are OP when beasty plays it😂

[@adeelsolangi1707]

Damn First Game was Total Domination by Abbasids 🔥❤️

[@AdamTothTA]

There should be 4 Abbasid Tiers and only 4th Tier should give relevant gathering rate bonus

[@SmexMyPocky]

Why not make 10 TC opener in feudal?

[@NoMereRanger73]

“And if every civ is OP? Hahahaha No one will be…”

[@زيتون-ق5د]

Abbasids are not op, They don't have special strong military stuff like other op civs! Please , Leave the abbasids alone!

[@PaulRizzo504]

Abbasid about to be the most played civ after this demonstration. 15% the whole game is just busted

[@hikmetakbas5476]

Merhaba beasty... Senden yeni Osmanlı'yı da bekliyoruz

[@SnobbyCoder60]

we desperately need a new, updated Abasid Eco wing guide (before they nerf it!!!)

[@Awesomeman1987]

What has changed that made abba op? I always used to go 3 tc abba in season 6 and I always thought it was stupid strong

[@tusharranjan1723]

Small gradual buffs here and there But imo the camel archers buff has been pivotal for their current status

[@Coconutgl]

Getting Hre fast age 4 econ in age 2, absolutely broken.

[@weseetheligt]

that one keep holding on with duct tape and prayer 1:50:00

[@cloroxbleach6673]

Idl why wam didn't all in during feudal in any of the games. E erg time I play abasid I got a blob of units with 4 rams knocking down my base

[@kalderoni]

YES.

[@elliearroway8519]

Why no rams push btw? Really? How to counter 1TC pressure when you go eco-wing? Beastyqt pushed Abbasid in his guide for the french and won.

[@ГадисовАбдурахман]

What mean apm on beasty frame ?

[@joeygk2990]

"actions per minute" Ie how many clicks he does and buttons. I find it kinda dumb to click for no reason

[@ГадисовАбдурахман]

@@joeygk2990 Thanks a lot. it's been interesting for a long time

[@codexpwn]

If you can't beat them, join them. Hello, new Abbasid main here. P.s I always lost to 3 TC abbasid, I tried most stuff, like rushing rams. All in feudal, etc. They just do w/e they want and when they want.

[@devankey8498]

iirc this time last year ppl complained about abba

[@donquijote8992]

Waiting to see the guy who spam that puppy and wam cheats

[@hunterkarasaw]

i hate what he did to those deers, so so much

[@elliearroway8519]

He said in the guide that Eco wing vs english is suicide))

[@StartCodonUST]

I could think of a couple explanations why that's not entirely true. For one, it might be more of a suggestion to those who haven't internalized timings of incoming attacks from English, where knowing when to pull villagers from resources and re-macro is important when pulling off more risky boom strategies. Second, I think Eco Wing is certainly more risky against English when English goes 1 TC Feudal all-in with Council Hall, which is not the meta at the top level anyway. But Abbasid going 2 TC Eco Wing can reasonably fend off English Feudal all-in with Council Hall, and even the more conservative 1 TC Eco Wing could still result in Abbasid being ahead on Eco after what would likely be a failed all-in attempt. Wam went 2 TC Abbey of Kings, which is pretty easy to go 3+ TC against as long as you place your TCs in safe positions and can micro villagers away from King raids.

[@Nubbley]

No way. My win rate is going down with Abbasid dynasty.

[@hyunjoon.watterson]

let me guess, you silver or gold at most(?)

[@Nubbley]

I’m gold. Was 1 game away from plat.

[@IstvanCseh-ck2yk]

why build 4 town centers?

[@joeygk2990]

can build 4 villagers at once

[@Nubbley]

Cause 4tc is the only strategy that has enough economy to sustain an army lol

[@frederikaltmann9051]

agreed

[@eljouser]

Abbasid feels OP, and it's indeed very strong and fun to play; but the numbers don't add up. They have never been at the top 5 civs on any patch, on any rank, including now

[@massimob4588]

Two reasons: first in lower leagues, and maybe in ladder in general, people have harder time defending early aggressions and tend to misplay and giving up more often against aggro civs (because defending is harder than attacking); and secondly there is a general shift through more aggro and less optimized playstiles (often way more all-in situations) for example why should I main Abba and have maybe a 60-70% WR with game averaging 50 mins if not more, when I can climb the ladder anyway with a 55-60% WR OOTD with 20-30 min games. Beasty and Wam are top 5 players of this game, and their playstyles and builds are the most winning optimized you can have.

[@eljouser]

@@massimob4588 that is true, in general ladded (mind you, from bronze all the way to conqueror III, excluding pro level top 100 players), it's harder to defend. Abba needs t more time than others to get rolling, and by that point, you'd have to defend, for example, 15 royal knights or 30 longbows with TCs and a few units. It can be hard. ....and what do you do with OOTD to have a high win rate? I'm kinda lost with them this patch

[@زيتون-ق5د]

Yup and if u read their news today, They listned to beasty and they want to make Abbasids weaker in the next patch!! what a stupid move :(

[@massimob4588]

@@eljouser As I said playing aggressive is a little bit more achieving in the long run but it's not that crazy anyway, I would usually open Meinwerk and than stable or barracks depending on map and matchup or some times naked castle. In feudal the two most important things I care about are harassing (while preserving my units microing them) and going out on the closest deers (I'll keep the sheep for later). Harassing usually gives opponents at my elo enough pressure to make them build units or defenses slowing their eco and age up and giving me nicer castle timings. In castle I shift to a more turtle playstyle, I take relics, build emplacements and aim to the faster Imp I can get without dying. In imp then you have this wierd timer where you die if you wait too much even if you have 5 relics, so it's important to shift back to pressure the oppo.

[@Kwambomb23]

No it's still Byz

[@arthurw2059]

wait until u play team game

[@Bloodyfingerr]

Nerf eco wing

[@todorovic6193]

Beasty: abbasid is op Wr of abbasid: 45% (lowest in game lol)

[@FamilieAltmann]

Yeah in Gold league but in conq4 it has 52%

[@StartCodonUST]

I'd imagine that win rate is more reflective of the fact that at lower leagues, defending while booming is more taxing from a multitasking perspective than being aggressive. You can see how much Beasty has to juggle when managing 4 TCs, with all the re-macroing, moving villagers, building enough production, getting the right upgrades at the right time, etc. It can be pretty overwhelming to manage to spend all the resources that 4 TC Abbasid can gather. By contrast, it's relatively straightforward to allocate the right number of villagers to each resource needed to execute a Feudal all-in which typically causes the defender to panic and make mistakes.

[@donkey9113]

4 tc at 8:30 wtf

[@kai-xuanyao4666]

zhuxi can also do that but won't be able to afford making vils :(

[@RandyArcher-ic2zk]

came here for clap clap gamers.. disappointed

[@mobda18]

WTF !!! no way abbasid needs buff in fudal, you r not good example, you can win with any civ against any civ...cause you r the top player

[@meik20]

I just played 3 games and 2 of them Abassid. Such an annoying game. You can't do anything about them...

[@Ferienpapst]

Yeah byz is also broken

[@cx6894]

In team games Abbasid is trash, Mongol Mangudai is still king

[@thegammabear]

Maybe in bronze level mungodai is king... 😅😅

[@cx6894]

@@thegammabear Up to about Diamond, I easily got to Diamond just spamming this unit in 4v4 team ranked...

[@RealmOfMasters]

Sory but i cant watch your gameplay, its hard, to watch, why 10 click scot cant run faster if you click 10x

[@aheadatime]

Is the rumor of Wam/Puppypaw staring at each other's screens helping call out raids true? That would be incredibly lame.

[@alexkasljevich8097]

No its not true....

[@Robert_Marks]

Abbasid is not OP, there are many civs that are just garbage, Japanese for one