Is Absolute Batman ACTUALLY Batman?

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@AsgersWeb Ай бұрын

I agree with this a lot. Especially about how Batman doesn't need to be rich at all, going forward after the Pattinson Batman movies that really explore the economic complexity of Batman. After that has concluded I think going forward making Batman someone who is not rich would be very interesting. Like imagine that Alfred adopts him after his parents are killed because he was like the Wayne's neighbour in crime alley or something, that's more of the approach I'd have preferred over this, but it will be interesting to see Batman with a mother alive.

@WhatsUpWOLF Ай бұрын

@@AsgersWeb yea, see that Alfred angle would have been a really interesting and perfect way to do it!

@WhatsUpWOLF 14 күн бұрын

@@krispalermo8133 I hate it when they make poor Tom a bad guy. Although he was pretty cool in Flashpoint.

@Silas_Kow Ай бұрын

I mean you can say the same about Spiderman and uncle Ben's death. And Ultimate spiderman is working well for all I know

@WhatsUpWOLF Ай бұрын

@@Silas_Kow I think it’s a little different because getting bitten by a respective spider is what leads Peter Parker to become Spider-Man. Uncle Ben just influences the kind of hero he becomes. And he can do that whether he lives or dies. Maybe even better if he lives and Peter becomes Spider-Man later in life when he’s not an immature teenager.

@JoshuaR9763 Ай бұрын

I’ve been thinking it basically doesn’t sound like Batman ever since they announced what absolute Batman would be. If somebody word to describe the character to me without telling me his name I would’ve never thought that’s Batman 🤣

@WhatsUpWOLF Ай бұрын

@@JoshuaR9763 exactly! And I’m not one of those people who just automatically assumes every new thing is going to ruin a character, but it seems like they went a little overboard here. Might be a good story, just not a Batman story (other than the name)

@Co-s-micGod 19 күн бұрын

This is not a what if story. This is an elseworld story. Those two are not the same.

@WhatsUpWOLF 19 күн бұрын

Yea, I didn't mean it literally, I was continuing an analogy from an earlier video about it. ❤

@Co-s-micGod 19 күн бұрын

@@WhatsUpWOLF Ah I see.

@desantotony77 Ай бұрын

Batman vision from tim Burton, is Batman. "The Batman" from Robert Pattinson movie is! Batman! Those, they kept the original raise from character. Out of THIS. There's not batman.

@WhatsUpWOLF Ай бұрын

@@desantotony77 yea, those are in my top three or four. This one might not even make the list if it’s not actually Batman

@matthewschwartz6607 Ай бұрын

Don't forget the NOLAN Batman!

@desantotony77 Ай бұрын

@@matthewschwartz6607 1000% sure!

@Ultriac301 Ай бұрын

Pattinson's Batman is a low budget KZbin parody of the Dark Knight trilogy.😂🤣

@Ultriac301 Ай бұрын

@@matthewschwartz6607His principals and a certain amount of training he received was like Batman's but he wasn't really Batman either😒.

@Cernunnnos Ай бұрын

They already sort of did the whole "not a billionaire" story with Joker War. Granted he didn't grow up working class, but you get to see the fun elements with him having to do things on a budget. The reason him not being a billionaire makes for good story is because it makes him more of an underdog. In the context of DC at large, he's still an underdog even with his money. He's a normal human going up against things that can bench press planets, they money just lets him slightly level the playing field. I the context of just a self contained Batman story, the money can be a bit much. It becomes a very powerful tool that he can use to leverage pretty much anything to suit him. He's always got a solution for any problem because he can brute force it with money. The best elements of Batman imo are his strategising, detective work and his obsessiveness. Which is why the absolute best live action version we've had was Reeves. it's the only film version that put the detective element above the punching bad guys element. A good version of Batman will accentuate all these elements above just the standard fighting, because they're equal parts virtue and fault. His obsessive need to have a contingency for every eventuality was core to one of the best Batman stories in Tower of Babel, but counter to that, it's a character trait a lot of his friends and teammates rely on in other stories. Exploring the downsides of the elements that make him remarkable are some of the best stories for characters like this.

@WhatsUpWOLF Ай бұрын

Well said! I think losing his money is interesting, but never having it in the first place is even better from a storytelling standpoint (in my opinion). And I’m with you on The Batman. It really gets to the core of the character.

@Hifuutorian Ай бұрын

I like Batman not being super duper ultra rich simply because it gets a little ridiculous. Like the stuff about Wayne Enterprises competing with LexCorp to be the #1 companies in the world with trillion dollar net worths or whatever. I feel like he'd work just fine if he was just a regional celebrity type of wealthy though him being working class is also cool. Still a lot of money in the millions, but not so much that it gets silly and inconceivable for him to not have changed things more in Gotham and the like. Also, I've subscribed!

@WhatsUpWOLF Ай бұрын

I agree, and after reading Absolute Batman #1, I am really excited about this working class Wayne. Most of the things I had concerns about were handled in the comic and I think it's going to be a great run. Thanks for subscribing!

@matthewschwartz6607 Ай бұрын

I'm actually looking forward to this one (And Absolute Superman, too.). I think that Snyder should have left Batman after Endgame (Where he killed off both Batman and The Joker.), and that his writing lost its luster after that. But it sounds like he's reinvigorated now and he seems really excited with this project. Hopefully he's as good as he was when he first started writing Batman. I can see where you're coming from. I think that this is going to be interesting, though. Fingers crossed.

@WhatsUpWOLF Ай бұрын

I’m definitely giving it a chance and I hope my optimism is rewarded!

@YoungMovieReviews Ай бұрын

I think the only thing that makes Batman rich cool is the Batcave and the gadgets, him basically being the love child of Sherlock Homles and James Bond of superheroes

@WhatsUpWOLF Ай бұрын

@@YoungMovieReviews yea it definitely makes for some fun stories, I’m hoping this one will be kind of like the MacGyver of superheroes

@JustinMathew-c7g Ай бұрын

Batman stops being batman when he starts having powers

@WhatsUpWOLF Ай бұрын

@@JustinMathew-c7g that’s definitely a red flag 🚩

@millernumber1 Ай бұрын

I think you make a lot of good points, but I disagree about the wealth part. Batman is a knight archetype, and yes, there are some knightly stories about coming from nowhere, but that being part of the aristocracy is, I think, pretty crucial to why Batman is still so archetypically powerful. Perhaps Snyder can convince me, but given that after Black Mirror (which I adore), none of his solo Batman stories have ever really convinced me that he really knows how to 1) end stories without just stopping them or ending on a promise of something bigger, and 2) actually honor other writers and other characters, I doubt it's going to happen.

@WhatsUpWOLF Ай бұрын

@@millernumber1 you know, in spite of the Dark Knight nickname, I don’t really think he fits the knight archetype. For one thing, being broke might not be knightly, but neither is being a billionaire. That’s more like a noble. I don’t know if Snyder is up to the task, but a guerrilla warfare Batman could be great.

@millernumber1 Ай бұрын

@@WhatsUpWOLF Well, I think that the knightly archetype is generally, but not always, being one of the noble classes. I will try Absolutely Batman, but as you can tell, Snyder has burned most of the goodwill with me he initially had.

@WhatsUpWOLF Ай бұрын

@@millernumber1 unfortunately, this story has the potential to amplify a lot of his weaknesses as a writer. But we’ll see! 🤞

@millernumber1 Ай бұрын

@@WhatsUpWOLF I will definitely check it out and attempt to be charitable. I still love Black Mirror and hope for more of that Snyder every time I read him.

@WhatsUpWOLF Ай бұрын

@@millernumber1 same here. For some reason I’m much more forgiving with comic creators than I am with other media.

@gregorydacosta2102 Ай бұрын

I have not read Absolute Batman. I have seen a few videos and shorts detailing the jist of it. It seems interesting. Elseworlds stories are novel reimaginings of our favorite characters. I try not to make comparisons with the reimagined characters and the mainstream canon because the idea is to have fun with the changes. I almost feel like the comic book companies do these elseworlds stories to experiment with new ideas and see what people like and don't like. After all, selling comics is a business. If you find a way to make more money, that is the ultimate goal. If you can do it without alienating your core fanbase, then you have a winning idea. From the information I have gathered about the plot, it seems the changes are strictly to subvert our expectations. If the changes were too subtle, there would be little point to it. The idea of Bruce Wayne not being wealthy and being a working class citizen seems to be a way to make him more accessible to readers. The billionaire attribute in the mainstream continuity, to me, was more of a utilitarian plot point than anything else. Bruce Wayne needs to be rich because it allows him to operate as Batman in a way that only someone of wealth could. Great wealth affords a person a lot of things in modern society. One of the greatest things it affords someone like Bruce Wayne is time. How can you train to be Batman, operate as Batman, and live a double life without sufficient time? Sure, many characters and real-life people juggle dual identities and cram a lot into a day. Though, not on Batman's level, they don't. Everything that the average person does to stay affloat in life is of no concern to Bruce Wayne. He owns a multi-billion dollar company, but he doesn't run the company. He has people do that for him. Does he have to sit in on business meetings and make appearances? Sure, he does, but he can choose not to anytime he wants. He lives with a level of freedom that most people will never know or experience. That is why he can be Batman to the extreme - he can be Batman completely. He can buy anything he needs, tools and equipment, alibis, information, training, technology, health care, etc. He can sleep whenever he wants, train whenever he wants, and devote his entire day to being Batman if he chooses. He may not have superpowers, but being rich is the next best thing. Absolute Batman seems to want to allow the readers to get closer to Batman. We can understand Batman's motivations already, but making him a regular guy, it is easier for the readers to imagine themselves as Batman. I'm all for this new take. It's different and allows us to look at the character in a different way. Would I want Absolute Batman to replace the established version of Batman? Hell no! I love Batman the way he is. There is a reason why Batman has survived so long in popular culture and literature. His story is acessible to everyone, in that we can understand him. New takes on a character, however interesting or not, is no different to me than changing hair styles. You try it out, but if doesn't work, you stick with what does. In the meantime, we can all rock that mohawk, mullet, or, in this case, Absolute Batman.

@WhatsUpWOLF Ай бұрын

Making him blue collar was a great idea. I’m just not sure why they decided he shouldn’t be an orphan. Maybe they needed a parent who could be a way for the bad guys to attack him. Surely they must have had some good story-related reason to do it. But within the reality of the comic book, it seems to me that there wouldn’t be a Batman without him being an orphan. He’d just become a police officer or something instead. I don’t hold it against the Snyder, and I’ll still read the story as long as it’s good (it’s great so far), it just seems like it would have been a better story without that particular change. But we’ll see!

@rosswilson8917 Ай бұрын

If Bat wasn't a billionaire we wouldn't get Batmobiles, batwings and the like. He wouldn't be able to repair them after damage and his crime fighting would come to an end.

@WhatsUpWOLF Ай бұрын

I think they’ve got plans for that. Bruce is an engineer and Alfred is a well equipped operative for a shadowy government agency.

@HellBoy-id6ss Ай бұрын

Not gonna make a decision until I've actually read it..but being a billionaire absolutely contributed greatly to him being Batman.. to travel the world, recruiting people to train him in various skills (thievery, fighting, deduction, etc) that takes money 💰..let alone his gadgets, cars, jets..you get the picture.. though I am excited to see where they are taking this character..

@WhatsUpWOLF Ай бұрын

@@HellBoy-id6ss I agree that it contributed, but it wasn’t a core element. It affected how he Batmanned, but he still would have Batmanned without it.

@TheMicBartz Ай бұрын

Thing is: The "What if...he wasn't rich" was already explored in-depth in the abadonded script to "Batman: Year One" by Frank Miller and Darren Aronofsky. What Snyder did with "Absolute Batman" is creating a Batman for the Twitter Left.

@WhatsUpWOLF Ай бұрын

Yea, that's what I wish they would have done. Leave as much the same as you can and just change one element and let's see how it goes. Like, he loses his money so he doesn't have a butler anymore. Although I think they still could have had Alfred adopt him or something. But then they live on a smaller salary and his training would have come from Alfred's military background instead of experts from around the world or whatever. I'm going to wait until it comes out before I assume it's a progressive version. (Although I do see where your concerns come from.) And, since the Frank Miller Year One never came out, I don't consider that a true exploration. I want to see it all fleshed out. I don't think this Absolute version will be the ideal version of that though.

@TheMicBartz Ай бұрын

@@WhatsUpWOLF Seek out Howard Chaykin's "Batman: Thrillkiller" - in this, Bruce is a cop first, and only becomes Batman after Robin is killed. What Snyder attempts to do, has already been done.

@WhatsUpWOLF Ай бұрын

@@TheMicBartz Everything has been done before, I'm not as worried about that as whether it's a good story and then it's just a question of whether it's a good Batman story (just calling him Batman doesn't make it true). It seems like the unique thing here is going to be more about the universe as a whole instead of the stories themselves (although Absolute Wonder Woman might be pretty interesting). I do want to read Thrillkiller. Thanks for the rec.

@dewshbag16 Ай бұрын

I agree with you, Batman can still be Batman without being rich. An excellent example of this is in an episode of Justice League where the team accidentally create an alternate reality. They soon Discover that Bruce/Batman still exists. However, he’s not rich and is blind. He was still able to become Batman. All be it with different difficulties and more of them. his core character was still there, so it was still Batman. An important note to make is that he still became a child orphan.

@WhatsUpWOLF Ай бұрын

@@dewshbag16 yea, I think he’s lost it a few different times. I really like the idea of him not having it to lose in the first place. But having him not be an orphan? that seems like a weird choice.

@dewshbag16 Ай бұрын

@@WhatsUpWOLF agreed.

@joshuahall1581 Ай бұрын

Tbh I haven't read Absolute Batman, but if Bruce in the Absolute Universe is just a poor kid growing up and the Wayne's are just some destitute family struggling to get by with Batman no longer being an orphan with him struggling on the streets to support his family with Batman's first traumatizing memory being his poor family getting beat up by cops and his mother OD'ing AND rides motogp motorcycle AND IS AN ENGINEER, THAT AIN'T BATMAN THAT'S JASON TODD.

@WhatsUpWOLF Ай бұрын

Supposedly his traumatic memory is a shooting at the zoo… 🤷 and his mom works for mayor (instead of commissioner) Gordon. It does seem like all these things they want to explore could have been better explored with a new superhero but people are just lazy and/or want the built in popularity of the Batman IP (even if they change him to the point where the whole Batman thing about him is the bat ears on the cowl)

@ajmeyers5661 Ай бұрын

He's Batman if the owners of the IP say he's Batman. That's really 'end of', imo. I'm not impressed and won't be reading it, but there are lots of people who are and will, and that's pretty cool

@WhatsUpWOLF Ай бұрын

@@ajmeyers5661 that’s true in a superficial way, but even fictional characters develop an identity of sorts. It’s just a matter of where you draw the line. Like, if they wrote a comic about Minnie Mouse and didn’t change anything about her but tried to say she was Batman, obviously that’s not really Batman no matter who owns the IP. If every issue is just about Minnie selling hair bows to other anthropomorphic animals it doesn’t matter what it says on the cover, that’s not Batman.

@davidallen4026 Ай бұрын

Naw Batman is an angry rich dude able to live out childhood power fantasies. Especially if you read his comics in the 70s. Without the money the character is just another costumed vigilante - he might as well be the Equalizer.

@WhatsUpWOLF Ай бұрын

If we're going to go back in time, why wouldn't we go all the way back? Back to when he was just a goober like every other superhero? Regardless of where he started or where he's been, the essence of the character now is that he's a survivor of childhood trauma who turned his own fear into a weapon to protect others from that trauma.

@ajmeyers5661 Ай бұрын

@@WhatsUpWOLF imo you described the inciting incident, not the essence of his character. I would say the essence of his character is his incredibly strong will*. The inciting incident---the death of his parents and ensuing trauma---channeled that will into his quest to travel _everywhere_ and learn _everything_ he can. He studies and trains around the world to become one of the best, if not *_*the*_* best [insert list here], so that he can protect others from experiencing his trauma. Anyway just my thoughts and opinions. Cheers! *NB - I was going to say compassion and will are both the essence of the character, but I think some writers like to rob the character of compassion sometimes, for reasons I guess

@WhatsUpWOLF Ай бұрын

@@ajmeyers5661 I think the essence of the character should contain everything that makes the character who they are. Lots of characters have strong wills, we need to know more to understand who they are at their cores. Like, if the essence of an apple was that it’s sweet then it wouldn’t be a different than an orange. They grow from different trees in different places and it makes them look, feel, and taste different. I do think his strong will is a huge part of his essence, just not the only part.

@ThaShowStopper Ай бұрын

"I'll interpret the hell out of that thing, I'll make it mean what I wanted to mean!" My Fuckin G! 🤘🏾 Keep up the great work my brother 🫡🫡🫡

@WhatsUpWOLF Ай бұрын

Haha thanks man 💪💪

@DrDurango Ай бұрын

Clearly he’s the maxx

@marvelghost Ай бұрын

Any other Batman logo already has an ax design, to any iteration of him. This is the worst chest logo they have given Batman.

@WhatsUpWOLF Ай бұрын

I saw someone mention that somewhere on Reddit. The normal logo already looked more like an ax than this big black brick 😂🤣 It was the perfect axe head, and they ruined it. Although I guess maybe those sharp edges and points might have been dangerous

@AsgersWeb Ай бұрын

Wait what. I'm pretty sure they said he's still an orphan

@WhatsUpWOLF Ай бұрын

@@AsgersWeb nope, his mom works for Jim Gordon who’s the mayor instead of the police commissioner and his dad is a teacher

@AsgersWeb Ай бұрын

@@WhatsUpWOLF interesting. She probably is going to die then 😭

@WhatsUpWOLF Ай бұрын

@@AsgersWeb 😂😂😂