Is Ana bad now? | OW2 Reddit Questions #24

Back from Blizzard HQ, KarQ is here with some newfound knowledge, to answer the questions from /r/OverwatchUniversity.
Definitely inspired by WIRED's Tech Support.
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
00:15 - Anyone else think Moira is outrageously good right now?
03:01 - Why is Lucio Zen being run so much this season?
06:31 - Is Ana bad now after the recent changes?
09:05 - How is Genji neutralized in higher ranks?
11:31 - Do you think the game became harder (not easier) after the hitbox changes?
13:32 - MMR on a many hours account vs A new account
16:08 - I die every time I use Ram ult
17:46 - Why do teams push the cart faster after a 3-3 tie
19:49 - GM Players who had a time hwre they plateaued in their rank, what helped you get over the hump?
23:35 - At this point, does Support truly control their own rank?
27:20 - Outro

[@Jago112589]

Moira's suck is great for finishing someone off.

[@vittoriodicredico5985]

ayo

[@milkyym8891]

Oh yeah 🤤🤤

[@hillwoop9101]

Riddle me this: What’s sticky and white and all over the screen?

[@10Neon]

Came here for this

[@cremenbutter3831]

"Can you feel this" -moira

[@LXIXX]

Karq has said some very suspicious phrases

[@BlerdySouth]

Outta pocket

[@Das_Ungeheuer]

KarSus

[@odenircesarneto6425]

Hell no I’m not gonna let no genji come…

[@pejabob3180]

A lot of talk about Genji coming....

[@sunray501]

10:00 - 11:25 - Thanks Editor-san , those comments were very sus

[@felixsurette48]

1:32 "suck the enemy off for self heal"

[@thepunslinger1536]

followed by 2:30 “finishing people off”

[@nurikkulanbaev3628]

11:36 "Mom Im famous" Sorry for broken english. I never expected that my rage induced post will end up in a video from you! It was tilting to watch people to try poke and get blown up by Ashe or Soldier, while both our supports are still in spawn room, again and again. Thank you for featuring!

[@josephreynolds2401]

"Teams Push Faster" is bang on. This is rampant below gm im pretty sure. As someone below diamond, some players generally get cold feet when the pressure's on and some rise to the occasion. When this happens at the same time you get the huge inequity between the two teams. One team that is throttling their potential and the other is actualizing their potential at the same time.

[@anettelma123]

I was sure that this person did not understand that the robot is slower before it reaches the 1st point and then the 2nd 😭😭

[@legattacks]

bro i was playing tekken then got off and started watching this video. made me pause twice to see if I closed my game with this music

[@camu_jg]

Thanks for these videos (IMO the background music is not necessary, I like to just listen to these videos)

[@Dr.Slaughter]

Same. I love videos you can listen to, like these sorts of discussion videos, or Kitboga's scam baiting videos.

[@borisvandepoel2703]

Yeah flats also does this and it annoys me a lot lol

[@bennoecker1081]

It can be a bit much but maybe toned down 🤷

[@rosemorningstar5368]

“….Genji come into you” *INTENSE ZOOM*

[@bbott137]

Bogur literally proved the fact you can get not quite stuck but stuck enough at a rank that the relative climb vs a fresh account is unfeasible. He literally quit on his first lifeweaver for that reason.

[@kibi_112]

True. At one point I fell to D1 on my main, I was also D1 on my alt account. Games on my main were wayyy harder than games on my alt

[@abrahamdelatorre3246]

Is bogur your daddy? Your god or idol? You can most definitely get stuck. Especially in the lower ranks.

[@french_toast223]

Its stupid that everyone dissmisses moiras dmg saying its low. When she has the sustain to last long enough to kill you. Her fade and ball make it harder to get away too.

[@brandondisseldorp3788]

2:51 "With great lamp usage" comes great responsibility.

[@SoloKrypton]

Tekken 8 Main Menu music. Nice choice

[@camintg4673]

Karq Tekken stream when???

[@Horchata4lyfe]

I did NOT know about the whole exiting Nemesis form into Annihilation with Ram being changed. Thank you so much for informing me.

[@GriFFonRec4]

17:48 It's likely because of the overtime respawns. It wasn't mentioned, but the times where it ends quickly the defending team just wins or there is barely any OT push, but the times it happens the attacking team is successfully pushing in OT which means less fights for the defenders, especially if there are some stagger kills.

[@zz8az]

I was dyyyying trying to remember where the background music was from. Tekken 8 is a great choice, music from that game slaps.

[@KojiNatu_]

Since the soundtrack isn't out yet, this is just the Main Menu song from Tekken 8.

[@josephreynolds2401]

Quick melee is insanely good right now which is a good thing for Moira. I think avg playerbase are sleeping on global melee buff as a finisher/ammo-saver. As Lucio, the melee serves me very well and weaving those into CQC scenarios instead of ammo boosts your uptime big time.

[@roland8357]

As a doom,genji, lucio main I love the 40dmg punch. But I think dash should be 60dmg cause basic Melee is 40dmg

[@Xfacta12482]

I feel like I see people using melee as a follow up very often honestly

[@Eostud]

The Moira dps numbers are wrong, they are 50-65 not 60-75.

[@DontBeBad]

For the first question it's actually better to run moria than bap in this patch. In the Twisted minds vs Falcons scrim, slay swapped off bap to Moria to match Falcon's moria lucio backline. Also lots of moria is being used in general in Korea.

[@MaybeT0XIC]

If i had to give my 2 cents about the plateau question,, avoid the “autopilot” moments, which is obviously pretty hard haha Like KarQ said,, be proactive, always have a plan and always do something

[@FLUPHQ-]

I'm not going to lie, the high hour account thing is pretty true. As a QP warrior who hasn't played more ranked than to get 1 gold weapon many seasons ago, I am predicted silver on my main with no Ls, which pissed me off. It's not giving me the opportunity to play in higher lobbies at all so far in my first 10 games. I have played 30 hours in comp on my alt with a couple Ls, but my first predicted was plat 5, and i ended in diamond 5, and I am currently in masters 4. Wtf is this? I'm dominating these lobbies but still low ranked on my main, and everyone is talking about how important the first 10 are.

[@johnmetzakis2910]

on the MMR take I am hearing about it a bit and also experiencing the same thing first hand, currently doing it intentionally as an experiment, as my main account was hard stuck B5 regardless of my performance and while on some roles i could get out of it it only took sometimes a single loss to fall back after months of grind, I even had a diamond friend try while he was over for the weekend and after a 25-0 win streak he was surprised how little impact it had. it also meant the "reset" as it still based of existing MMR meant I was still stuck there for placement matches. despite improving. with a 60% win rate i placed B3 which is nice, moving onto a new account and just unlocked PVP and finishing placements I'm G2, while i understand the volatility of the new account wins give me 8%+ in gains while a loss is only -4%. my current conclusion is that the more data it has it wants to keep you where you are, but it also requires far, far more to get any gains. more that is worth your time or that keeps up with your rate of improvement. which impacts psychologically. more so it punishes you far more for a loss, the more hours you put in. So far my conclusion is that if you think you are hard stuck, make a new account and find out, because it its where your meant to be your new account should put you back there eventually. I deally if Blizz intend to reset rank each year, the MMR for placements at least should be reset to a degree perhaps only drawing data from the previous season not account lifetime.

[@SemmiQ]

This! I legit think this is true and have been debating doing an experiment to check.

[@jamespetipas7962]

Great music choice!

[@foxinab0xgaming]

im here to also point out the background music, especially around 14:00. i wanted to not notice it but it hard not to. love ya Karq

[@devoryiamerrit4982]

16:25 waiting until they give ram life steal on ult 🗿

[@flameofmage1099]

Me just now finding out it doesn't

[@theaverageplayer1656]

Can we get a chart with a before and after of the buffs (without the adjustments made after the buffs) of the projectile sizes? I feel like Soldier and Widow got reverted to pre-buff.

[@artos607]

Thinking that something is more prevalent than it is because its easier to remember cases where it happened than when it didn't is called the availability heuristic

[@carbondogma7388]

In regards to pushing the payload faster during additional rounds, I think it's equal parts defense playing worse from nerves and offense playing better as a result of committing more due to the limited time. When you have 3 minutes on the clock offense is more keen to sit around and poke and get picked off rather than coordinate and attack together.

[@jonathankigozi3373]

Brig Zen can’t out heal the dps passive when they ult from my tests, but lucio zen can with beat and trance, not that you SHOULD be using both

[@blake5665]

Moiras damage is not mathematically higher this patch. It’s mathematically exactly the same. 200/60=3.333, 250/75=3.333

[@Gopyara]

Fun fact: Moira's TTK is exactly the same. Before S9 it was 200/60=3.33, now it's 250/75=3.33

[@ryanager8029]

If anything it’s higher since her damage orb didn’t receive the same buff. 60+50=110dps. 200/110=0.909s 75+50=125dps. 250/125=2s.

[@Gopyara]

@@ryanager8029 true

[@moth5414]

That's wrong. Moira's dps beam did 50dps and deals 65dps now, so her ttk went from 4s to 3.8s

[@ryanager8029]

@@moth5414 off by 10dps but the relative comparisons still hold up.

[@Gopyara]

@@moth5414 it's based on KarQ's numbers which are 60 and 75 so🫠

[@grtoocool]

19:12 It reminds me of those 2CP days in Hanamura, Anubis, etc. People could poke, stagger, sit at the choke point like morons.. but yet during the very final push, they can feel insanely coordinated because they all know they need to push the objective at the same time. Then if you're on defense, you get tilted super fast because you went from almost a full hold to losing A and B in a matter of seconds.

[@NotGahruvey]

Got that Tekken 8 in the background.

[@anettelma123]

Currency for golden weapons is obtained only by ranking up in comps? How much time I have to wait to get this currency?

[@Busters1124]

I press on the video while cooking and then I just hear the tekken menu music. Good choice!

[@Matt_is_a_Boring_Name]

You can best anticipate when Genji will come because he'll be edging around a corner.

[@Glurfl]

Using Tekken 8 Menu music. I see you.

[@huepeople]

I've played so much Comp with this patch. Lucio is my main and being able usher people out of danger and boop further, instead of having to heal is great. 75%+ speed per game feels great.

[@Bavdingo]

The sleep dart feels absolutely useless still, they wake up before your healing passive begins

[@pf9731]

Great video. The background music seemed to be kind of distracting IMO though. Could be turned down or something less distracting.

[@mattponce3837]

Love the Tekken 8 music in the background; always picking some of my fav music 👌🏽

[@jonathankigozi3373]

Moira, Zarya, Mei, or Symmetra for countering Genji in my opinion, that’s the easiest way to

[@bradmiles1984]

You missed Sombra. Her hack locks his movement for a 2nd which is enough to mess him up. Cass is also very good with the emp grenade.

[@michaeltabb581]

The Tekken background music🔥

[@Polaris1742]

In the Ana vs Tracer discussion, KarQ didn't mention that although Tracer received an additional 25 HP, Ana also received an extra 50 HP. Also the bigger hitboxes although they make it easier for Tracer to land shots on Ana, it's also true vice versa which is significant of course since landing shots on Tracer is more difficult than most characters. Previously when Tracer had 150 HP, Ana needed 2 shots and a melee (70x2 + 30 = 170) or 2 shots and the grenade (70x2 + 60 = 200) to kill Tracer or 3 shots (70x3 = 210). With Tracer at 175 HP, Ana only lost the 2 shots+melee. Compared to most characters moving from 200 HP to 250 HP (3 shots to kill moving to 4 shots), Tracer's breakpoints didn't change as much. Although imo Ana vs Tracer is still Tracer favored, I think when discussing the Season 9 changes, it's important to note that the changes weren't all entirely one-sided in this specific matchup

[@andrealelli7505]

The matchup is still way more favored for tracer or genji with this patch.

[@mcbread9760]

Disagree about the MMR, a buddy and I were both plat before the 'soft reset', I went 1-8-1 and got plat 5, he went 8-1-1 and got plat 5. I postulate that the MMR system has had no reset and the actual SR is an account average and has little to do with recent play. the amount of MMR gained for a win/loss is not consistent and all of the factors that were supposed to show MMR factors are not present. I even argue that seeing the % change each rank makes little sense, the dev team should just make the formula clear for all to see plain as day to stop any speculation, but based on past instances where people were litterally stuck in ranks which got fixed in the patch notes I do not think they even understand it.

[@EthanALS]

I played ranked placements with 2 other people this season. 1 guy has been playing ranked the last couple seasons. Me and the other guy had taken a break for a couple seasons. We are all the same skill level (I promise you that) but the guy who played ranked much more consistently got platinum 3 after placement. Me and the other guy got gold 5-4 after placement. It became very obvious to all 3 of us that something was going on. I’m shocked to see it’s apparently not confirmed by devs. Edit. We lost 2 placement matches, won the rest.

[@anettelma123]

question: how can I discover which dps hero could be my "main"? I mean Im support main but somethimes I queue for dps role and it looks like Im playing mystery heroes lol :(

[@strawberrydialectics]

@6:33 ana, and all supps, are worth learning. even if right now you just stick to qp with ana, she has always been extremely fun & rewarding to play and she can always have a comeback in future patches.

[@jezraelflancia2460]

I think the reason lucio is so good is how brawly he is. Its not just that hes good at peeling, its that hes stronger at securing flanks and brawling against opposing dive on flanks than brig.

[@icekangaroo9392]

I’m wondering if Moria got stronger and buffs because of the mythic skin.

[@yami4456]

Ram is a fun character I usually use my ultimate like this.. Pop shield up in a fight Use fists until cooldown ( if I can ) Pop shield again Than ult Also always be constantly moving and jumping around OW has no movement penalty so as long as you can aim you’ll still hit your shots.

[@Twiffle1]

23:35 I think this post was being misunderstood. That post seems more about that they feel like as support you don't really have that much impact anymore... so it feels like you're at the mercy of your DPS actually being able to do their job.

[@RyanTraher]

The word you were looking for when trying to describe something as “memorable” is “salient”. That’s what they use in psychological research.

[@dbzfreak62]

The Tekken 8 BGM is hitting 🔥

[@zethroth0077]

That Tekken 8 music in the back slapsssss

[@demigurlxd5781]

I attribute me dragging my account out of the depths of dispare 5 to KarQ and Emongg now my main account matches my alt accounts time to keep going up just focusing on my own improvement.

[@bookies24k8]

appreciate the tekken 8 music in the background

[@waynetec13]

14:53 I have the same issue. My original account from the launch of OW1 is MAX gold. I've got 2 alts I've been playing regularly as well in the past couple of years, and im high plat/low diamond. I usually place high plat and climb to diamond, and have peaked in low masters. My "main" account is hard stuck. I know, I know. ELO hell isn't real.... But 7 years of MMR data is. Also, with the reset, I placed in bronze 3, and immediately climbed to gold 2, and my gains slowed to 3 or 4 points for a win, and -15 to 20 for a loss. On my alt, I ranked plat4 and climbed to diamond 2 immediately. They didn't reset MMR. They reset SR.

[@turkeyman631]

I've played about 10 games since the season started, and it's wild how toxic people are in like silver lmao. I've never been below plat in OW2 and honestly didnt know just how annoying people are in lower ranks. You think it would be the opposite but no. The minute we lose a fight, theres always a support who starts blaming everyone on the team. Anyone having a similar experience to me after months of chill teammates? lmao. I have been playing pretty late given my work schedule, but thats how its always been.

[@yoku_UwU]

Each time I rank up (high gold right now) people get less toxic. Idk if that trend ever reverses.

[@awesomeairplanememes]

​@yoku_UwU im playing in top 500 right now and its still awful

[@yoku_UwU]

Are people still decently nice around masters/gm? That's my goal in this game so I want to be ready lol

[@awesomeairplanememes]

@yoku_UwU I would say that overall there is an atmosphere that is more sincere but there are still toxic people, it circulates throughout all levels of the game

[@yoku_UwU]

@@awesomeairplanememes that's good news, thanks

[@asterpw]

How is 75 dps on a 250 hp target "mathematically better" than 60 dps on a 200 hp target? You just made both numbers 25% larger, the ratio is exactly the same.

[@MegaScytheman]

I think the real point being made is she got a damage buff where most characters didn't so her dps went up relative to the rest of the cast

[@oOBlackiceOo]

It’s 65 on 250 hp target. It’s not great

[@marc-andreblais5818]

season 9 ranks has indeed been weird, in season 8, i stood in silver 4-1 up until the last week where i jumped from silver 1 to gold 4 in a single rank update. Then season 9 started and i placed gold 3?? played for a week and reached gold 1 and almost plat. After that i started losing many games and dropped back to gold 3 on my way for gold 4. dont know whats going on but its not stable

[@aweto5199]

Yoooo nice to here tekken 8 music in this vid

[@suicidespooky]

Is that the Tekken 8 back ground music is hear👀

[@SemmiQ]

Literally the question about MMR I feel the same. I feel I’ve grown past these bronze lobbies based on how I see the teammates/enemies playing but I can’t get out of it. I had a tank game w/ 30/0/3-18600dmg and the next closest was 8kdmg on my team. I don’t think I’m great but I should at least be high silver 🤣. I feel like all my losses learning how to play the game put me in a hole I won’t escape.

[@zr1129]

I don't like running with zen at all. Because the accuracy is higher plus damage debuff you need to rely on healing more. And by the time Zen heal is useful than your passive comes up.

[@noahkamakeeaina5454]

Karq ima be honest that comp reset did nothing

[@AimLessRayne]

The tekken music was a great choice😌

[@JOYvBOYv]

Shout out to the Tekken music

[@PharticusMcbutt]

3k hours in Silver is wild

[@K4rmine]

I think the 5th question could be answered in terms of complexity, not difficulty. Longer fights and matches allow for more things to happen, more interactions to consider. The game does feel different and more difficult but in the end it's because it got more complex, it will take some time to get accustomed but it's still OW2 mechanics, but aiming became easier and killing is harder.

[@PillzSufrie]

karq video with tekken BGM??

[@Sebboebbo]

Da king is back baby he neva miss

[@Bkeeper331]

Background music feels a little loud

[@cheesy2549]

1:40 her dps has remained exactly the same. 250/75 and 200/60 both equal 3.33 seconds

[@leipomon]

23:14 *me crying with my 66% win rate on tracer this season but going down 1 tier*

[@Bacchus325]

Ana middle of the pack is crazy. As long as she has anti nade to turn off the tank role she's top. Nothing else in the game has as insane value as made. It's better than most ults for God's sake.

[@andrealelli7505]

She's below mid now lol, and I say that as a gm1 1800 hours ana main.

[@spacecowboy7193]

Every time I say Moira is OP, people rush to tell me I’m not good enough. But when the best players in the world are swapping to her because of her survivability and increased damage, I ask, how much better than top 500 do I have be for this brainless hero to not be good?

[@bradmiles1984]

She's good enough ML swaps to her regularly when the situation calls for it. He used to rarely do that.

[@MCD_AZ]

Off topic here but I like Tekken 8 music in the background but I’m enjoying season 9 so far but I wish they tweaked a few things

[@MaNgAnlmE]

60 dps on a 200 hp target is a 3.33s TTK. 75 dps on a 250 target is also a 3.33s TTK. How’s the latter better?

[@13576bard]

It's better because no other heroes actually got an increase to their damage values. It's easier to land hits, but the hits don't do more damage than before. So her ttk is the same as before, but everyone else's got slightly slower, so relatively she is faster.

[@Kavukamari]

i still get tanks, for some reason primarily dvas, who will jump into the whole enemy team spamming "i need healing" and just get deleted and then they get mad at the healers, it's like, dude i can't heal you you went 1v5 and healing is nerfed

[@borkdogey]

Good kitty…

[@EnzoBorno]

Do I hear tekken 8 lobby music 👀

[@NatDaHomie]

Ram ult sucks unless u got a Lucio for speed or Kiriko ult. If u have no Lucio and they do good luck they can just away from your ult range

[@CometdownCat]

1:30 ARE WE STILL DOING PHRASING!?

[@CometdownCat]

1:32 sound byte for the upcoming remix currently in the works

[@CometdownCat]

10:05 genjiger strokes 🥴

[@CometdownCat]

11:27 homie didn’t train the rhythm method mastery course

[@realbuckybarnes1753]

Hmmm my squad mate made 2 new accts he is terrible at DPS and mid level tank neither can get out of silver or gold on his main acct. both new accts lost half of the matches and placed master and diamond on both roles both new accts so idk about that....

[@rubenprado9152]

Is that Tekken music? Lol

[@phlo0p]

praying for ana nade buff 🙏🙏🙏

[@oasisabyss]

That tekken bgm tho 👌

[@squirrel_76]

Lol i was shocked when i heard it

[@oasisabyss]

@@squirrel_76 same lmao

[@vini-ix8yt]

1k hour master ana main here and it's actually heartbreaking that I cant play my main this season. I am enjoying bap and zen right now. Ana just doesn't feel right this season... Ana needs a serious buff. We don't want or need ana meta but she needs to be at least A tier.

[@jremigio24]

Like the video but that music in the background is jarring Is it tekken music ? lol

[@gofasofrimus]

60 dps on 200hp is mathematically the same as 75dps on 250hp. 1:56

[@eliclendenin2736]

WHAT IS THIS BACKGROUND MUSIC

[@volktol4432]

It’s the main menu music for Tekken 8

[@msacco36]

The only way to stop a good Genji is a bad Genji

[@orfeolucchini4771]

Nade is still the most op button in game

[@eyemiker6150]

Moira needs a lower range you should have the chance to run out of her range

[@RiderOfKarma]

I mean, if Moira is meta and Ana is unplayable the balance is upside down right now. I’m sure there’s gonna be tweaks to this soon.

[@hillwoop9101]

Ana is still playable, just gotta adapt the playstyle a bit from past season’s ‘focusing to landing agressive nades and pressure with your no falloff hitscan shots’ to now ‘playing more passive, use nades for extra heal more and farm nano’

[@bradmiles1984]

@@hillwoop9101 Anything is playable that doesn't mean it's not bad though.

[@kingmoosh2004]

@@bradmiles1984 ana is not bad at all lol ana mains are so privileged

[@bradmiles1984]

@kingmoosh2004 she's currently one of the weakest supports, only ones in worse shape this patch are lw and mercy.

[@kingmoosh2004]

@@bradmiles1984 debatable and even if that was the case being third worst is not bad lol try playing an actually bad hero for once instead of crutching on the ones that are OP for 90% of the game’s lifespan

[@bluefacebaby4167]

I gotta know who KarQ mains on tekken 8

[@Deme.goated]

Hate to be that guy but I tekken as well and I hear the music, who you main KarQ 👀been a fan for years so my favorite of all time is law but Lars/Steve my best characters

[@lilbongchainz2870]

Yo, why you always using Tekken tunes?

[@CometdownCat]

I don’t want to come off poorly here…but…..Asia Plus it’s a wicked good groove

[@Kendaroo]

You know Life Weaver is terrible when you never his his name once from Karq good or bad. :(

[@Ejziponken1]

I would say that doesn't mean that he is good or bad, just boring.

[@thejmax1473]

1:50 so is my math wrong or 60 dps on 200 hp targets and 75 dps on 250 hp targets is exactly the same? 200/60 = 250/75. Sooo do overwatch not know math or did I understand the numbers wrong or something?