Why are Map Pools so hated? | OW2 Reddit Questions #28

[@kjk8193]

if you could queue into specific maps i would never leave king’s row as god intended

[@cooldiego7]

Rein ditto only

[@chiefinasmith]

Facts. Kings row is the best map and always has been

[@kenofbread]

@@chiefinasmith hence “Kings” 👑

[@cjerp]

@@chiefinasmith So sad i had to play 80 games before i got kings row. feels like it is the least played map for me along with route 66

[@absoulxo]

@@cooldiego7reddit is down the hall and to the left

[@maddieie5528]

he said he dropped from g1 to s5, not g5 to s1, which is a very different situation. in his situation, it was probably more an instance of rage/tilt queueing instead of just having a small streak of bad game

[@HyxejisKonto]

their problem was probably annoying their team with "suggestions" to improve

[@marc-andreblais5818]

no, i think its a forced loss streak, this seems to happen to most people right now, i myself have gone from plat 5 to almost gold 4 in about 4 days, there definitely is something shady going on in the background, keep in mind this is a live game service and they want you to keep you playing. if you lose your rank and drop down, you will want to get back to your rank so you will keep playing.

[@ReedoTV]

They didn't mention how many games they left early 😂

[@Dswishy28]

@@marc-andreblais5818yes blizzard is definitely planting ass players on your team and great players on the other team every single game, and your teammates will never ever play good.

[@french_toast223]

@@Dswishy28 youre being sarcastic but teams are def ass. People will call metal rank players shit but call it a skill issue as soon as you say your team is bad. OW is a team game and if your team isnt better you dont win.

[@pauljmorton]

Yeah, for the first question a more general answer would be: Countering isn't about killing. Countering is about shutting down someone's value. Killing is one way to negate someone's value, but driving someone away from fights is another.

[@Giimbapp]

I think also a lot of the hate for tanks come from the fact that is really easy to tell when a tank is not doing good or makes a mistake compared to other roles

[@CROSSFADE69]

Used to not be that way.

[@TheMortalKombatent]

@@CROSSFADE69 when there were two tanks...

[@Lordin_]

yeah, everyone flames a tank that doesn't peel or create good oportunities, but I've never seen a someone criticize a mercy either going for a res on the open or just a straight up bad res.

[@Archaten]

@@Lordin_that’s because supports are saints. they do no wrong, they deserve our praise just for playing that horrible, unfun, underpowered role! don’t you know?

[@TR-ju5re]

​@@Lordin_oh I've mercy flamed before. I'll fight the good fight

[@ossifiedtoad798]

In addition to Numbani being very punishing if your team doesn’t run vertical mobility heroes, there are only 2 defender spawns, so the runback for defenders on streets is really long and split-spawning is awful. And, unlike King’s Row, it’s challenging for defenders to take positions to retake right at the end because of how access to the high ground forces the team to be hard split on the approach. The hard splitting is part of what’s annoying about attacking A too; there’s 4 distinct lanes, and most heroes cannot switch between them readily once committed.

[@toyodathon08]

6:25 a ping guide would be cool

[@salmence100]

23:40 MOBAs feel like they've found a good spot for tanks. Simply being harder to kill feels good, they also tend to get a lot of the CC abilities, which also feels good.

[@Shmoffy_]

No way, you play Overwatch??? That’s awesome! Can’t wait for 1.6 to come out on console :)

[@Jaydash-]

i think its crazy you cant pick what map/modes you want to play in QP, in comp I somewhat get the reasosn but people should be able to play what they enjoy in QP at the very least

[@stumbling_]

Makes matchmaking easier when you can’t pick the map

[@Shifft-This]

Not sure why Flashpoint gets hate. Control was my favorite mode in OW for years and Flashpoint is literally a 3 point Control Map all on the same map (instead of swapping to a new map every control point). I think it's pretty great and want to see even more Flashpoint maps.

[@Omar-uk1dq]

The main issue is how big the maps are. Also this is a very specific issue but I feel the two flashpoint maps are really unfriendly to Lucio who’s almost necessary to have fun here as they have a lot of weird details and bumps that can ruin your wall runs,especially NJC. Also the points themselves don’t tend to have much cover and have high-grounds surrounding them which can be super annoying,it’s sort of like how bad the points on Paris were in 2CP back in OW1

[@ginpachi1]

I just miss 6v6 tank so I can derp around on Ball, and not feel completely terrible 😂 My last match of Ow1 was with Ball and Hog, and I kinda miss that 🥲

[@Juniperxo]

Mine as mercy was with a ball and Dva and it was so fun 😭

[@josephreynolds2401]

I like both formats. I think 6v6 can survive if the player community is ever given the tools to do so. Just let the players go nuts and monetize it Roblox style. Hell, put microtransactions in it. SOMEONE will want Overwatch 1 bad enough to lay foundation. If people are playing the game, no one at Blizzard should care what choice it is. They should foster it. I find myself agreeing with the guy in the video on some points. Very articulate, very knowledgable about game design concepts. He seems to be in the Freedo camp: Let heroes break the rules of the game a bit. Echo is obviously the prime example of this design. Sigma has unreal mid-range control, good players make him look a bit like a fantasy archmage that destroys his foes effortlessly while deflecting all their attacks. Sigma's mid-range strengths make his mid-fight potent and versatile unlike any other tank in the roster. He essentially breaks the mid-fight value in the tank matchup. Echo and Sigma: Great heroes Tracer: Has baby ult that charges way faster than every other hero. Rewind is iconic and 3 charge blink is so so far beyond any other horizontal movement in the game. Game Breaker, the pros show us all the time.

[@redish2098]

"and versatile unlike any other tank in the roster" kinda the reason i hate it, he does everything, tanks should have strengths and weakness but sigma is never bad because he just does it all, it means that in the sigma 1v1 both just look at each other and the only interesting part is when someone pulls out a rock

[@defaultdan7923]

i'm pretty sure this game has the resources to make fan-made 6v6. if i can recall, there have been a few different ow1 recreations, but for some reason not many people are playing them (or at least they don't show up when i look for a game in the custom game browser).

[@josephreynolds2401]

@@defaultdan7923 I think the big issue is when patches drop, the community has to jump through hoops to make that iteration of the game playable/balanced post patch. If there were a stable, saveable environment then it might be hunky dory.

[@josephreynolds2401]

@redish2098 This is true to a point. Sigma is the king of cooldowns, always something for the occasion. He really doesn't do so well into close range heroes/comps though. He does have weaknesses. I think his kit should be the starting point for how other tanks play, in terms of the number of options made available to them. Tanks should have the mid-fight capacity to exert control the way Sigma does in their own respective ranges. They should also have the skill expression that Sigma has, because his skill ceiling is nearly as high as it gets on the tank roster as all his abilities and weaponfire require calculated uses with a skillshot dependent stun.

[@bronzey8942]

Mute chat and messages. Toxicity drove me away from OW2. I know my limits, DPS, Tank or Support, I am regularly high gold to low plat. I was struggling with the recent changes and getting flamed in chat, muted it all and I'm now climbing back to my normal rank rating.

[@Ron742_]

I just want to be able to vote on maps for comp, or at least vote on the mode.

[@anthempt3edits]

I prefer the veto option. Voting makes only community favorites played again and again. Fun at the beginning, but repetitive long term.

[@Ron742_]

@@anthempt3edits I guess they're favorites for a reason... Veto how many times? Just once, and then get something random that can't be voted on? Meh.

[@Juniperxo]

@@anthempt3editshow would the veto thing work? Like the dev team offers map choices and the community chooses one to remove?

[@stumbling_]

But if someone doesn’t get the map they want… there is a good chance they’ll just rage quit. You think people wouldn’t but this is overwatch players… they be crazy.

[@twinshot56d]

"I just play the more fun ones ZARYA"

[@YouRedix]

Sometimes I wish to have the ability to choose the map before I pick my role in role queue, but other times I think if everybody had this ability, we'd be playing an even more limited map pool overall. It's just frustrating having a small pool of heroes I'm good at and ramdomly getting a map where none of my fave heroes work.

[@tgs5725]

Buddy said Gold 1 down to Silver 5.... my man thats like a 50 game lose streak.

[@dragontypebidoof7615]

ah yes, my favorite tank, junkrat

[@DaLoserisYou]

Does Kiriko's Suzu not remove the dps passive before its healing effects are applied?

[@tuckmasterg]

It does The dps passive does trigger the increase healing

[@Window_947_]

7:54 Gold 1 to sliver 5 is alot more than 5 matches because you have to fall from gold gold 1 to 5 and than silver 1 to 5

[@marc-andreblais5818]

i agree that dorado and numbani have hard points to capture on attack and could use of a few changes. Also i dont think map votes would be cool cause some characters are much stronger in certain maps then others like for example, as a tracer player, payload and push maps are much easier for me then control maps but a lot of people dont like push maps so if there was a voting map system, people would probably vote less for push maps and i would be at a disadvantage in comp because i would not get as much value from maps then people who have an advantage in control maps.

[@Chr0n0s38]

I'd rather see a mode selection option for quickplay when you queue. It would also give some data to the devs on what modes people like.

[@departure696]

15:50 I know this is cheesy but if you want to counter Sombra as a support, play Sombra. when she got her rework I started putting in time on Sombra and liked it and as a result I now understand what a Sombra is looking for and where they want to go, even got called a hacker as I shot an enemy Sombra out of stealth (for the 3rd time) because I knew they were taking a route I used

[@flameofmage1099]

How are you supposed to play Sombra as a support

[@Lyra_dragonal]

Venture myths: You can dash right before dig ends ti extend it's duration and still be able to do the eruption You can dig on top of deployable like Mei's ice wall, Lifeweavers petal platform... Ventures ultimate can pass round walls You can cancel the shot animation into a melee You can hit a opponent venture with the ultimate even if they are digging There is no limit to the temporary shields

[@CROSSFADE69]

Tank used to barely get blamed for anything in ow1 I wonder what happened.....

[@dec6p]

5v5 happened.

[@TheMurrmursonbottle]

it’s a lot easier to focus on one persons perceived mistakes rather than two peoples

[@withdrawnbook]

Being a tank in S9 feels so weird right now. They're so important that if one team is down their tank you're pushing and rolling. But, on the other hand, it feels like your ability to make plays on your own is so limited. Particularly, if you're not playing a dive tank.

[@TheMortalKombatent]

@@withdrawnbook winton otps are finally back in style

[@potatertotes]

No one is in a duo with the tank. That's why. 😭😭

[@EntryBerry]

Counter-Strike 2 premier mode(the most competitive mode) has a map pool and you vote ban maps.

[@YanAde]

12:19 not true actually! map pools were in quickplay as well. i know because thats all i play and i definitely had to suffer through it.

[@HarryProtter]

9:15 - what do you use to track your matches?

[@chiefinasmith]

The way they can make tank not miserable to play is to admit that 5v5 was a mistake and go back to 6v6.

[@e3vL1]

I don't get why we can't get opinion to select our own game mode in quick play. Blizzard afraid install base too small

[@Gdnfx]

I understand the brig vs sombra thing...when i dive a brig most of the time...they die

[@CometdownCat]

11:27 I miss 2cp something fierce….

[@HelalAndre]

I think you should be able to ban maps (like 3 or 5), like in age of empires. It makes more sense to me.

[@lukasg4807]

Yeah but arabia every game except when you ban it to get arena is fun. I don't want to never see flashpoint because of the weirdos who don't like it. The random maps also make playing the same map every game a lot more enjoyable.

[@RyuNoZero]

2CP should return to Quick Play

[@milananime4383]

Thanks

[@hoolly]

Many Maps for every different gamemode would be fine - this is legit ridiculous that we get Samoa, Peninsula, Shambali kinda, instead of new Flashpoint or Push maps. And jeah i would agree these modes are just "boring" cause you only have these 3 maps (same like 2cp in the end of ow1 btw). Make more maps for modes which are legit 50/50 which map you get but DONT release more game modes (clash haha funny moment)

[@harperp2565]

they should have an arcade mode or a hacked quickplay where the role split is 2-1-2 or 2-2-1, just so we can have double tank team comps again

[@Mewmewio]

Should just do map bans if they want it that badly

[@adambryant4149]

2CP enjoyer here

[@Omnicron800]

Is it me or does it feel that rush is being pushed super hard I play one hour and half of the games are always rush maps it’s weird.

[@ChaiMooMoo]

I just want more Kings row

[@noahkamakeeaina5454]

❤❤ karq great video again

[@taysandean]

Karq copes so hard for ranked win/loss streaks and balance

[@LFanimes333]

They should have left 2CP in the game and introduce map pools. God I hate those new modes so fucking much. I would NEVER queue into that shit. Give me the Lunar map a hundred times over before I have to play half a game into New Queen Street.

[@ZoneOutWay2]

Push is way better than 2 cp

[@LFanimes333]

@@ZoneOutWay2 Good for you. I disagree. And I’m sure most casuals do as well. Removing entire maps before adding map queue was retarded.

[@abudgie6909]

@@LFanimes333 don’t speak for all the casuals. This is an unpopular opinion.

[@LFanimes333]

@@abudgie6909 Yeah it sure is. In fucking Reddit.

[@abudgie6909]

@LFanimes333 flashpoint is a fun game mode and the maps are all right. Push is pretty bad, but it's better than 2CP and I like New Queen Street. I'm nostalgic for some of the 2CP maps too, but I have the critical thinking skills to accept that that gamemode sucks ass.