Is Arch Linux Still a Good Distro?

[@TheLinuxCast]

File all complaints by following me on Mastodon: fosstodon.org/@thelinuxcast [time stamps] 0:00 Intro 1:27 Our Week in FOSS 1:34 Matt's Week in FOSS 11:21 Tyler's Week in FOSS 20:16 Is Arch Still a Good Distro? 1:22:02 Nuggies of the Week 1:22:05 Tyler's Nuggie 1:24:07 Matt's Nuggie 1:28:05 Contact Info and Goodbyes

[@yurimodin7333]

I know on windows anyway you can download the "portable" version of OBS and just keep them in different folders for different uses. Its basically a completely self-contained OBS instance.

[@F_Around_and_find_out]

One thing is for certain: the Arch wiki offers useful help even for those who are not using Arch. Arch wiki is among the best linux guides out there.

[@TheLinuxCast]

Absolutely true.

[@owsly_st]

​@@TheLinuxCast Agreed. And, of course the AUR. It's just convenient. But I honestly think that Gentoo had a better wiki. Why? Well, the one on Arch is great, but it's more concise. It tells you what to do by giving you commands and often examples, but the explanations why you need to to do it are so short and not well explained. Gentoo, on the other hand can be a bit technical for sure, but it will explain exactly why you need to enter certain command or what are you doing and why you need to change something. A lot of times in such level of detail. I use Arch, btw. 😋😁 But I used Gentoo in the past, both as a daily driver and at work.

[@aelhamamy]

Don’t get me wrong, I’m an arch user and arch is my favorite distro and I don’t see myself switching anytime in the future, but the arch wiki, although being the greatest wiki, can be completely replaced by ChatGPT nowadays, and you can get help specific to any distro, and build your own guide for your future reference.

[@Noriaela]

@@aelhamamy The only reason why ChatGPT can be used is because it rips everything from other people or the arch wiki.

[@jamesyoung151]

@@owsly_st Agreed. I wrote a lot on the old wiki before they lost it. I've contributed to the new one here and there.

[@falajose3080]

Wait, Arch became more user-friendly and that is why it is not so special anymore? Like whaaaaat?

[@glebglub]

what's more special: buying parts for a computer, putting it all together and configuring the BIOS (i.e. turn on XMP/DOCP, fan curves, undervolt and the like); or buying a pre-built that is made of EXACTLY the same parts and has the BIOS pre-configured? at least I feel that's an apt anology

[@NahrAlma]

It's more about how he FEELS it's not special anymore. I would say it's never been that special at all, but I can't argue with how something makes a person feel.

[@escapetherace1943]

@@NahrAlma It has never been special. The arch users and arch btw meme are insufferable, and how toxic the users act especially in their own forums, BUT arch has excellent documentation and that's why I like it, but in the form of Endeavor. why? because Endeavor is Arch but better

[@coriollis]

​@@glebglub haha, 'apt'

[@BlackOtaku22]

@@escapetherace1943 honestly what makes arch special is that 1. pacman is lightning fast, arguably the fastest 2. the aur is massive 3. the archwiki is one of the most glorious linux wikis in existence

[@jeremybowden3134]

User friendly=bad??? Makes no sense

[@Juiceboxmakes]

Endeavour is home for me. The forum is great and it does what I need. Provides a nice 3d workflow for me from computer to printer.

[@TheLinuxCast]

I like that distro too.

[@SilverSeleucid]

Endeavor and Linux mint are the only two I use

[@victoriap1561]

i installed arch a couple of years ago and i can't be arsed to change to something else. That's my reason for using Arch.

[@dukenukem9781]

For me archlinux is the best distro out there.

[@speed488]

34:13 "There's problems that you're going to run into that are inherent Arch problems" 36:12 "Arch breaks GRUB all the time" Those are pretty big statements, but nothing to back it up. I've been using Arch for ~7 years and I have never encountered an "Arch specific issue" like Tyler mentions. I have seen one issue with GRUB where you had to redo grub-install if you were going to change the config (which is not a common thing to do). I guess that is what Matt is talking about. But still a fairly light/specific issue IMO. I'm running my personal PC, work laptop, media center, a VPS, 2 backup servers in different businesses and 2 other media center for family members all on Arch and I've never had a breaking issue with them. All these computers combined, I might be using 10 AUR packages total. I'm starting to think the "issues" stated here are more user-related problems than because of the distro itself; If you bloat your PC with garbage and you tweak every imaginable thing on it, chances are you'll break something. Keep it clean, as vanilla as possible and you'll have a rock solid setup.

[@IcarianHeights]

the "Arch breaks GRUB" was a derivative distro issue only which is why those of us running Arch proper never have a clue what the interwebz is going on about

[@poutineausyropderable7108]

@speed488 Dual boot breaks grub all the time. And As I got more experienced, I broke it, added new features and repaired it all the time.

[@raughboy188]

To use packages from AUR repository i don't need arch at all, i can play around with software from arch using distrobox, ican do it for any distro. Right now i have both homebrew installed and i ahve guix too so i have access to more packages than my distro offers.

[@I0NE007]

I just recently made the jump to Linux from Windows (tiny test stint back in 2012 but that counts for very little), The main reasons I went with Ubuntu instead of Mint, Arch, or others: 1) I used Ubuntu for that test stint, so I already knew it, so the positive familiarity Bias was strong. 2) The differences between ubuntu v mint were small enough for my use-case that "having pure, direct ubuntu" seemed more valuable for peace-of-mind due to not knowing what might not work. 3) I was not skilled enough to deal with Arch Install (especially with my intent of having a dual-boot as a backup. Thankfully, I haven't really felt the need other than a sanity check) 4) I really valued the stability of the slower releases that Ubuntu gave over the faster, feature-focused, update cycle of Arch. 5) It needs to be as beginner friendly as possible (visual installer) After I get some familiarity with Linux, I may move to Arch/Archcraft (which I didn't know existed before your tier video, so thank you for that), if I no longer need to worry about the windows dual-boot wiping by a bad menu, but preferably a stability-focused edition of Arch similar to the LTS forms of Ubuntu. There may be ways to make Arch stable but nothing I've been able to find compares to the stability-first, feature compatibility, and beginner usability, that Ubuntu LTS provides. I am hoping there are others since I have a few other friends that are interested in jumping ship to Linux, too.

[@aa898246]

great video, i feel like there currently isn't a "best distro" out there. every distro seems to have enough faults to be annoying enough. nixos would probably be the best if it had better and hand-holdy documentation+wiki like the arch wiki. if there was one clear place to get all the information for nixos, i think it'd be safe to say it'd be the best distro

[@vlc-cosplayer]

There will never be one. If you want the "best" (good UX, DX, documentation, etc...) you need money, but if you want money you have to engage in corporate shenanigans. 💀 Besides, one's "best" is another man's "worst". If you try to do things one way, you'll upset people who want to do things in the opposite way (e.g. some people like SystemD and Emacs, some people like simple init systems and Vim, some people like opinionated software like GNOME, some like absurd customizability like KDE, stable vs bleeding-edge, binary packages or compile everything on your machine, etc...), and if you try to do everything, you end up with horrors beyond human comprehension (ever used JavaScript? :3)

[@aa898246]

@@vlc-cosplayer theres a video i saw recently by Eric Murphy and they were talking about open source software and why they have bad UI/UX. the big reason they gave is that most of these projects dont onboard designers to work with them so the projects always end up oriented towards developers. the example he gave to show how when you onboard designers you get good results was with Blender, as the UI/UX is great and the product itself is amazing even though its open source. so, hope is not lost, just need people other than developers to work on these projects

[@MrCradleman]

Arch is not special distro, it's a boring distro. 7 years on Arch without big issues and it's just working for me

[@CyperN077]

Arch has been my home for years but recently I have found some comfort in using Arco and Endeavor. The least you'll spend more time getting things done instead of getting your system up working the way you want it.

[@Jeff_Seely]

I think this was a really great discussion. You certainly didn't piss me off. Arch will probably always be an old staple for me. But Linux has always ment freedom to me. I don't mean monetary freedom. I mean the freedom to choose. I made up my mind a long time ago to help whoever I could regardless of distro. If I can help I will provide it. But the AUR affords me a ton of freedom to choose and that is why I like it so much. But lately, Tyler has got me curious about Nix. I think I'm going to give NixOS a fair shot. You sold me Mr. Zane 👍

[@ekim4926]

Arch might not be as special anymore, but there’s nothing that stops you from learning (not yet anyway), people that learn know, and everyone else who just want the AUR just gonna want the AUR

[@andril]

Arch Linux has been totally solid for me and surprisingly has not broken on either desktop and WM I have run on 6 machines, I've been warned but only noticed it in the derivatives and believe it is all in the install and hardware.

[@victoriap1561]

using sytemd instead of grub is the key

[@andril]

@@victoriap1561 I don't mind grub and it helps with Nvidia cards on high display settings like 3000x3000 @120, and again I don't understand the hate on Grub just what works. I use systemd on Hyprland

[@ahpadt]

@@victoriap1561 this was also my takeaway after trying to implement grub-btrfs snapshotting with snapper. in one random system upgrade grub got broken, which i had to reconfigure which got me back into arch but grub-btrfs is showing the wrong snapshots. based upon listening to folks, grub isnt the best combo with arch but then how is one otherwise meant to manage snapshot restores? boot into iso if anything breaks?

[@sher1x165]

@@victoriap1561 do you mean systemd-boot?

[@afroceltduck]

Steve is turning his OS into a script, and Tyler is turning his script into an OS

[@conjurermast]

On my Waybar the audio widget stops working every time my PC screens turn off due to extended inactivity, but there is no alternative I know of that would work nearly as well as a vertical bar. As a workaround I made a widget that restarts Waybar. Speaking of Termite, AUR has a still maintained fork of it. (well kind of maintained at any rate) Can you install that on OpenSuse without cloning the relevant git repo and manually building?

[@whitepaperkat67]

You can say whatever you want about arch but the wiki however, the wiki is probably one of the best

[@escapetherace1943]

I look at package notes off the arch wiki even when I'm on debian or something, just because the wiki is so good

[@vineelsai26]

10:00 I was using your waybar config on opensuse and the problem seems to be waybar on opensuse is buggy and crashes often for me especially when using with hyprland, then I moved to fedora and it seems to be working fine now from last few days

[@humanBonsai]

Waybar with Hyprland on Tumbleweed is fine over here so maybe it is a more complex problem than Opensuse shipping a buggy Waybar? Tumbleweed and Arch are shipping Waybar version 0.9.24-3 and Fedora 40 is shipping 0.9.24-2 as far as I can see. My money is on the problem being Matt’s config.

[@KM-sv4dh]

Waybar on OpenSuse here, everything is working as expected. Opensuse use different naming for packages, so you will need to double check that waybar config is not using a module/package that is available on your distro under a different name. Run waybar from a terminal and see what it reports.

[@red-hc3eh]

Tyler why are you sitting in the dark?

[@dllsmartphone3214]

ive tried 8 of the most well known high tier linux distros on my new rig those days. arch is the only that runs well for me. i just got faced glitches bugs and performance issues on all of them but arch...

[@Tankyard]

I've installed Spotify-tui and spotifyd on Void linux and was checking podcasts to see is there any Linux podcasts and I found yours, and I'm listening now the episode 147.

[@MelroyvandenBerg]

you also like Void Linux?

[@Tankyard]

​@@MelroyvandenBerg Yes I do

[@_dev_null_]

I've probably tried 50+ distros by this point, and I have not found one I like more than Arch, but the closest is Debian....because don't be a monster..Debian is awesome 😂

[@TheLinuxCast]

Nothing wrong with liking arch and Debian. Both are great distros.

[@V0liathon]

I haven't tried many distros yet, I'm new to Linux, Arch runs so nice and so many things are available through AUR, and I feel like I have full control with everything. Also the Arch community is generally really helpful compared to some other ones lol

[@dcutl]

Maybe I'll try Arch in a Virtual Machine, but right now my favorite Distros are OpenSUSE and Fedora. As an ex Mandrake user, I have tinkered with Mageia a bit and like that one too.

[@lorduggae]

ArcoLinux is an amazing distro. I started it to try and trouble shoot an issue with Manjaro, but then I fell in love with Arco. It gives my current level of Linux knowledge the amount of "handholding" I want/need.

[@michaelbailey1420]

Matt you asked the right question and its the right question for not only every distro but ever component of the system and every package! "Who is it good for?" pretty much every distro, WM, desktop environment, package manager and whatever else has its place in the world and if it works for you and it gets your job done then its a good distro, component exct....

[@ArchLars]

There's always LFS or Slackware for people who want a Dark Souls Linux experience, whatever that is.

[@yurtlew2280]

Can't wait to see how my Garuda gnome update goes whenever I get back to the States. It will be an exciting experiment with the laptop not having updates for like 4 months or so! Will definitely have some isos on standby in case it explodes.😅 But it has been a great experience using it for a year anyways. It suprised me actually on how good Arch can be! Most often I just update it once a month and call it good... If it does implode then well it will be a good time to play with Slowroll, Void, Rhino, and Solus for a little bit anyways...

[@NADEEMKHAN-sj5hn]

The one distro is missing and dont get many attention nowadays, the distro is Reborn OS and it is competitive to Endeavor OS

[@aquariuskiwilog]

EndeavourOS have been my longest running distro on laptops and desktop that have had by far the least amount of issues over time, of everything I’ve run over the decades. So I’ll stick with it, and Debian for servers.

[@thecompanioncube4211]

Regardless of Arch stability and usability, it’s the bet gateway to actually learn Linux. Arch wiki is just Amazing

[@profetik777]

thank you for timestamps sir

[@AhsanHabib-mj5ym]

Arch is the most boring distro... 3 years running and didn't even encounter the "System breaking fiasco" everyone was talking about.....

[@ImChaotic1]

Most of people having issues breaking are the people ricing there distro and using window managers if ur using a standard DE most of the time arch will work. It's because of all the custom configs they do that breaks it. This is what I think I could be wrong tho

[@matthiasbendewald1803]

Maybe your definition of "breaking" is different. For me: If I have to manually intervene after an update it's broken. Arch will do that by definition, at least when you customize your system a bit; there will be dependencies that break, configurations that need updates. Arch does its thing mostly okay (grub as a huge exception), but you need to understand what you are getting into. If you replace MacOS by Arch Linux for a random noob - you're basically garanteed to create frustration.

[@AhsanHabib-mj5ym]

@@ImChaotic1I have been using i3wm since the beginning ... but as far as it appeared to me , most of the breakage happen when someone is .. using a DE specially kde...

[@kici5777]

How do you like Coffee Linux..? Is it just Arch with an easier installer? 🤔

[@bobbyfried7478]

i feel arch is still a wonderful distro. for me i just wanted to build my os from the ground up not for the bragging rights. i run arch on my 3 yr old dell and still love it. breakages make it fun.

[@keikogaming]

Arch is a fantastic distro. ❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@michaelbailey1420]

Arch is an amazing Distro! Because it is 100% what you make it. that is what I love about Arch it can be pretty much anything you want it to be.

[@PopsSinging]

Tyler looks like he is in witness protection...lol. Enjoyed the show.

[@iodreamify]

I don't know.. The AUR is still the premiere reason for me to use Arch(or the Arch based distros). Otherwise I just feel limited in what I can install(without being forced to compile things manually). Whenever I see something new in the wild that I want to try I pop up a terminal and there's a 70% chance it's in the AUR. The chance of it working or installing correctly is indeed lower unfortunately but it's still quite high. And if it's not in the Aur but it's even semi popular there's a good chance someone will submit it quite quickly, which unfortunately I can't say the same for Copr or Obs(even if these both seem better suited for it) The point about reclusive Arch devs and toxic community seems unfortunately true though..

[@ryandls2592]

It was just wild yall moved arch down for not being for everyone and then placed NixOS above arch. No consistency whatsoever 😂

[@CrescentRollCarl]

We've been having these same arguments for 25 years and its still as pointless today as it was then. Arch is what it is, you know what you're getting. You want that? Then install it. Want something else, get something else. It doesn't really matter day to day, I do the same stuff on the computer with Arch as the computer with Debian and the other one with MX. No big deal.

[@damianateiro]

The truth is that I prefer the derivatives of Arch over the original version for the simple fact that sooner or later Arch will always break due to the slightest update.

[@QuinceyEvans-h8q]

i am feeling okay with archinstall, btw) come on, let's dance!

[@avetisdn7849]

I believe every distro is good if it works for you. Unless you are using snap firefox ofc

[@Bearussr]

The Linux distros that I really like is pop_os and bazzite

[@neta540]

my opinion of rolling release is different. i don't see why you think it's the OS maintainers duty to test each piece software and make sure it's stable. it's almost equivalent to asking microsoft to keep a repository of software and sign which ones are "good". as a matter of fact i don't understand why does it even the distro maintainers duty to package things at all. all this package management BS exists only in linux where you find 500 different package managers who do just the same thing. i guess that's why vanilla os came up with a package manager which allows you to install software from several distributions. but they too trying to fix a problem by working around it and creating a Frankenstein OS. maybe it's time to set a standard. or for the sarcasm just create an os that has only docker or podman so you can just get all the packages from all the other distributions. well, i'm sure this exists though but nothing for the masses which will allow easy interfacing to X or Wayland and audio servers. anyway the linux community needs to get its shit together because the fragmentation only creates theses issues that puts more and more work on the maintainers. would be nice if any software developer will ship their stuff in some standard like a container of some sort, and all distributions could work with it, and no please don't mention snap or appimage because that's still different and causes a lot of duplication. when there's a standard there won't be duplication, kind of what nix is trying to do with their packages where you can run several versions but if different packages depend on same dependency it wont be installed twice. it would be nice to have some standardization with the mainstream OSs. but it's never gonna happen because every linux kid wants to be special doing things their own way and re-inventing the wheel the millionth time.

[@pcallycat9043]

I still chuckle at the 'best distro' stuff, and distro hopping... at the end of the day, it's all the same damn OS. Uses the linux kernel, same userland, same desktop environments and window managers... the only difference is a bit of theming and which DE a distro uses by default. I mean... I can boot opensuse, nobara, or arch on my machine.. .and you'd be hard pressed without a terminal to know the difference. All 3 have the same software installed, same customized themes, hyperland and kde both available... Makes it hard to go along with the 'fanboyism'.. the only real differentiator is package management and release cadence (and the consequences that come with those).

[@JamesMowery]

Try (and deeply understand) NixOS. You will take that comment back. :)

[@pcallycat9043]

@@JamesMowery lol, I have a nix install, definitely not a traditional package manager, but once your software is installed, it’s still not all that different. Kde is still kde for example. But, I’ll give you that some niche distros break the more traditional mould

[@KoopstaKlicca]

With how much arch users get sweaty over rtfm, you'd think they actually would be able to comprehend anything you said lol. I knew the arch community had a rep but it's absurd how offended ppl are in the comment section

[@KoopstaKlicca]

Also idk if you removed some of my more volatile comments or if KZbin flagged them because it does that, but regardless I'm sorry for contributing to toxicity that is probably unwanted in your comment section. I just get frustrated with bad takes lol

[@JamesMowery]

Yeah the Arch community actually pushed me away from Arch. I'm on NixOS now and I'm loving it. I also had a great time with Void Linux. Really helpful community. Arch Linux is just old and busted. I hope the Arch fanboys stay with Arch so the happier and forward-looking communities can thrive without the elitism.

[@KoopstaKlicca]

@@JamesMowery I agree with Arch community's toxicity but I disagree that it's old and busted. It's a good rolling distro for a variety of use cases

[@repnzscasb560]

didn't watch this, but of course it is :D

[@enterusername7746]

I use it btw

[@joshuajenkins1937]

Arch has never broken on me. 3 computers @1.5 years

[@JamesMowery]

Arch has broken on me ~10 times on two computers over the past 2 years (one an older system, another the new hotness). I've moved to NixOS. Never a breakage. Even better, it can't break. Arch is the old school of Linux distros. NixOS is the future.

[@joshuajenkins1937]

@@JamesMowery I was on Manjaro before and it broke several times. It was mostly grub. Using systemd boot with arch no issues yet

[@necuz]

Arch has morphed from a fun build-your-own distro to a boring homogeneous blob where everyone just cargo cults all their package choices and that's ok.

[@mr_daihatsu]

I have to agree sadly. I love arch have been on it for long time but now it’s like idk just another good distro

[@michaelutech4786]

How is "just another good distro" sad? There are only a few good distros. Arch and Debian are the two I would rate as good. NixOS is interesting, but I don't see how it even is "a distro", because it really is too different to be in the same category as "a Linux". Arch has distinct features, it's huge repo, packages being up-to-date and it's awesome documentation that all set it apart from Debian and others. Debian also has such distinct features, stability and reliability as well as it being a pure community project. What makes you sad about it? That it's not hip? Why don't you make your very own Distro? That can be as hip as you want it to be.

[@mr_daihatsu]

@@michaelutech4786 hug it has nothing to do with anything but what was said in the video. That’s all. I personally want the features of kodachi for arch but I have not built it or attempted being busy.

[@geoffk777]

Is Arch best for newbies or people not willing to learn and tweak their OS? Absolutely not. Is it the best for people who need Enterprise support or maximum stability? Nope. Is it best for people who want a cutting edge OS, with widest possible range of software and options, that they can customize to their liking and still have mostly good stability and performance? Yes!! So it's my OS of choice. But I'm not everybody and I don't recommend ot to people who aren't willing to learn and troubleshoot.

[@sunnyheheheh9401]

It surely is not but works anyway like any linux system works flawlessly

[@jefferyrlc]

Reads the title. A: No, it's not a good distro. It's the BEST distro.

[@HomelessShoe]

Nice video and BTW, I use Arch

[@francoisjohannes3648]

People always says, the arch wiki so good, its up to no good, can't get anything there. Linux Mint the best there ever was and is. For real

[@htx80nerd]

btw '1337' is slang for 'leet'

[@Jackarius86]

"there are people who are not in comments sections everyday and who use Arch for practical non elitist reasons" LIES XDDDDD

[@I-use-Archbtw]

arch is good but isnt that special i belive artix is now what arch was been but yeah u got bored on both evreything just works now im going to gentoo i barely now anything about it but seems promising with lot of flags i love thinkering OS before 5 years dint heard about linux so i was just windows hopping every 2-3 months i now my dad frustred about that btw name is just meme and think is nice way to promote linux on other channels unrelated :)

[@utube521]

fedora rolling release???

[@-aexc-]

they have a few rolling packages. the kernel and Firefox off the top of my head. people really really overstate it, it's not actually a rolling distro

[@Aoitori365]

i am using rhino linux an ubuntu rolling release it is not at all crusty

[@yurtlew2280]

How is using Rhino Linux going for you?!

[@Aoitori365]

it is going well fairly stable considering it is a rolling distro imo it's more stable than debian sid@@yurtlew2280

[@OraOraOra]

Is your intro a fork of Learn Linux TV's intro?

[@TheLinuxCast]

No. I had it custom made.

[@gzomby]

Its a pain for sure. Switched to debian.

[@bitterseeds]

Just have to hate on Manjaro every pod cast. heh. I guess my 3 years on 1 install means it's not stable. 😞

[@bitterseeds]

15 minute rant against dissing folks about what they like, yet y'all reflexively diss Manjaro all the time. 🤣 SMFH.

[@DmitryKvasnikov]

arch is one and the only equal-to-apostles distro. with gentoo being his prophet. period. linux akbar!

[@CRYPTiCEXiLE]

hmm

[@MelroyvandenBerg]

Tyler stop smoking, it's bad

[@jackelofnar]

Non of the anti arch comments coming from Matt is anything new just look at his comments calling Arch a bad distribution when he was calling Fedora the best.

[@TheLinuxCast]

If you listen to me Youll never hear me call it bad. Don't put words in my mouth.

[@itsfish8672]

Nice one boy's

[@melanovapedia7924]

Manjaro is Shit, better install EndeavourOS if in hassle.

[@Aoitori365]

Neckbeards

[@alexandrosvangelatos9979]

I didn't get the notification for the live☹️

[@Little-bird-told-me]

Arch is quaint. Debian is good enough if you want to USE linux. I wasted a lot of time configuring Arch

[@DCM777.]

LOL

[@Aoitori365]

Oh boo hoo you do not feel special anymore grow up

[@siljrath]

@Matt, you wish for skill to mend what you complain about... ... do you file bug reports? for the foss! :D keep the faif. :)

[@siljrath]

Okay, I have more comments... :) re "[re arch] we have nixos now", yeah, arch is so old it's been around since march 2002. Whereas nixos is here now, newly saving us, since only as recent as june 2003. ;) re "arch for learning is what you use" ~ learn more with gentoo. (More yet with both). re "arch breaks grub all the time" arch as stratum in bedrocklinux, with a more safely stable distro providing grub, then is safe-grub arch. ~ Kinda. Manage expectations. re "stupid metaphor", I like that metaphor. Worth keeping and polishing. Different milk jug factories. :) re the hot thing turning popular norm... who gives a poop. Not the relevant criteria to pick distro (or window manager etc) by. re "tinker" "try something new" "" ... There was another bit around then, mentioned bedrock too... I forget what.. ough. I had something genius worthy to say, went back trying to find it 4 times... Oh well, yeah, probably was just going to say something about bedrock ending distrohopping and extending the tinkering potential before causing catastrophic disruption. re "it instantly becomes an argument" "try to convince your distro is the best", yeah, that's a toxic malady program running in the minds of those doing that. Can learn milkjugs. Also, now we have ways we can have both. Do not need a competition for "the one" (~not that we ever did need that competition). re "want to promote it" .... shshsh. Keeping bedrocklinux as linux's best kept secret, not wanting destroy its development with support burden. (I increasingly suck at that) re "still compiling firefox", yeah, gentoo long has binary for that. And now own binary hosts too so can skip compiling nearly everything if you want. (And, this time, I bothered to use "proper english" style capitalisation, rather than "netspeak", in compassion for your preference, not wanting to stress you out.) :) Ace podcast, guys.

[@CalebMarshall-n3z]

John 3:16

[@ManiacalMoogle]

I'm sure we can all agree. At the end of the day, Linux is just for nerds and hobbyists, and Windows is vastly superior in Every. Single. Way.

[@MNbenMN]

Workspace -1337? Sounds like some l337 h4x0r troll "easter egg"