New Bambu Updates Limit Control Of YOUR 3D Printer!

[@CanuckCreator]

AS WITH ALL VIDEOS, they are a product of the time when they are uploaded, for context, the livestream took place in the evening of Jan 19th and was speaking live on the subject based on the best info i had at the time, this video was edited afterwards and uploaded in the early morning the next day, if things have changed since then and after uploading, i will post corrections below with the new info. Cheers! For those that like reading, alot of good info here from the Rossmangroup wiki wiki.rossmanngroup.com/index.php?title=Bambu_Lab_Authorization_Control_System EDIT UPDATE NEW Blog by Bambu Jan 20 2025 1/20/2025 blog.bambulab.com/updates-and-third-party-integration-with-bambu-connect/ UPDATE 1/21/2025 Response to bambu`s response on livestream, timestamped kzbin.infofwCVyyVMQww?si=2Bso5-S5RJEiurQN&t=286 Some changes i like to see but not really enough IMO, many of these changes are still happening, a few walk backs that i like to see but also a LOT of lawyer speak in their false claims section for example "All 3D files printed are monitored, duplicated, or stolen." "A subscription will be mandatory to use your printer." Does not clarify if ANY files are being duplicated/monitored etc, just not that ALL are, please clarify that NO FILES AT ALL are Does not exclude having features or capabilities behind a subscription now or in the feature, need more clarification A small step in the right direction but more needs to be done IMO

[@braddl9442]

They are trying to do the HP ink scam but in 3d printers. This is a sign that the leadership is bad and this never gets better if they are already at this point

[@GrayeWilliams]

As a spokesperson for the right to despair movement we take umbrage with the idea that people should have control of the things that they buy; to quote the entirely real Agent K from the documentary series “Men in Black”: “a person is smart. People are dumb, panicky animals, and you know it” Given unlimited control of their own belongings people would descend into chaos, and for what benefit? Fun? Creativity? Self-actualization? No, friends, this way lies madness. Stand up for your right to despair and say yes to firmware lockdowns. It’s in the game.

[@michaelgleason4791]

@@braddl9442 By charging money for cloud services? Okay, then.... don't use the cloud services.

[@smellysam]

@@braddl9442 Back in the 90's, HP Laser printers were the best, easy to operate, would run on 3rd party firmware and not require any software, toners could be be refiled 3 to 4 times before being replaced and were not that expensive etc. We would not buy printers, we would get HP's... That started going downhill in the early 2000's, to the point that I strongly recommend NOT getting a HP to anyone that asks at work or for personal use. They have lost at least 100 sales because of me from desktops units to fully loaded DesignJets... Bambu is heading the same way, and will probably be off my good tool list forever.

[@CanuckCreator]

NEW Blog by Bambu Jan 20 2025 1/20/2025 blog.bambulab.com/updates-and-third-party-integration-with-bambu-connect/ Some changes i like to see but not really enough IMO, many of these changes are still happening, a few walk backs that i like to see but also a LOT of lawyer speak in their false claims section for example "All 3D files printed are monitored, duplicated, or stolen." "A subscription will be mandatory to use your printer." Does not clarify if ANY files are being duplicated/monitored etc, just not that ALL are, please clarify that NO FILES AT ALL are Does not exclude having features or capabilities behind a subscription now or in the feature, need more clarification A small step in the right direction but more needs to be done IMO

[@dubCanuck1]

This is very similar to the John Deere right to repair BS.

[@PaulDominguez]

So true, never buy Deere

[@nathan1sixteen]

I feel like this is getting closer to the “BMW forcing you to pay for a subscription to use your heated car seats” than the John Deere, but overall, same thing

[@RoamingAdhocrat]

​@@nathan1sixteen I do wonder just how hard it'd be to provide a hardwired physical switch for those

[@JA-fn7le]

Exactly, Signed a 24+year Deere Ag Technician.

[@Kosm0Doc]

prusa was falling slightly behind bambu labs: hold my beer *shoots self in the foot* lol

[@RubixB0y]

Lol, even more than foot shooting, it's like they tried to rocket jump in real life

[@Kosm0Doc]

@@RubixB0y lmao they took down all the rules on building a bad printer and made into a checklist of what they need to do

[@mostlymessingabout]

slightly is a massive understatement

[@Vash.Baldeus]

correction! Bambu Labs: *picks up a vulcan gun and unloads into a foot that disintegrates instantly* That's not shooting yourself in the foot, it's literally obliterating a feature that everyone used. The closed garden eco-system as well as inability to buy it in my country without being ripped off by a reseller pushed me to buy Bambu's competition printers instead. Yes they are not as polished, but at least I can deal with it. And use whatever methods of control I want (slicer, screen etc)

[@X862go]

lol

[@KennethScharf]

Suddenly, Prusa looks a LOT more competitive!

[@ELEKTRIFI3D]

@@andrewwhite1576 The speed of the MK4S is really similar to the bambu printers.

[@xIsouLcruSHca]

@@andrewwhite1576 I'm very curious to see a comparison between the core one and X1, I think the difference in speed won't be much

[@oneanother1]

Still too expensive, and small build volume.

[@stevedegeorge726]

@@andrewwhite1576 No its not. lol.

[@saschageier]

they do not even nother to ship faster, send out review units etc... prusa old school style

[@leecampbell9498]

Louis Rossman keeps saying it "you will own nothing and like it"

[@RobertLBarnard]

But paying to buy something, not owning it, doesn't make me happy.😂

[@Pacif13rV2]

That WEF 2030 objective should more accurately be written as. "You WILL own nothing and you WILL be happy." The trends so far would indicate the end goal (2030 is the WEF claim) is that if you express any unhappiness / discontent that's where your social credit score will make your life miserable or perhaps untenable so you will act happy or else.

[@Liberty4Ever]

@@Pacif13rV2 - That all sounds very familiar to anyone who has lived under a communist regime. #NotACoincidence

[@JonS]

The quote was by Klaus Schwab, “You will own nothing and be happy.”

[@TPCDAZ]

I still own my printer thanks

[@CesarMattos]

Now they are going to face the jailbreak comunity and soon we will have klipper on it.

[@wellaintthatinteresting-n0]

I hope they get it done soon. I hate this!

[@Rulusto]

Better install X1Plus firmware on all those printers

[@CesarMattos]

@@Rulusto , if it is upgraded, it may not work anymore.

[@Rulusto]

@ dang, forgot about that

[@CesarMattos]

@@Rulusto search for this 'Bambu Connect’s Authentication X.509 Certificate And Private Key Extracted' hackaday article

[@jetblackstar]

Prusa must be having a party over this. Open source design, slicer, play nice with orca slicer. But you get an out of the box working machine. Which from my experience gets long life support, even upgrades. Works with any software I've tried.

[@Liberty4Ever]

It's crazy but impressive that Prusa MK4S owners can buy an upgrade kit to Core One.

[@Kdude216]

My next printer would have been a Bambu, but this is enough for me to say ‘never’. I’ve never owned one and now never will. Thank you for the info

[@assumptionsoup]

Same. With this move they've made it clear they plan to enshittify their products and the market once they capture it. Even if they backtrack now, they've shown their long term goals.

[@tunedstylespecs]

I have been watching BL since day one and I really liked their products, but this closed ecosystem held me back and I have been waiting others to catch up since multicolor wasn't my thing but autoresume when the filament runs out was appealing to me. Then I converted my CR10 to klipper with biqu parts once me board was burned and therefore I have realized the advantage and the direct and immediate control of DIY machines, or machines that actually run klipper. Now with biqu Vivid right next to the door, qidi mmu, cfs and let's not forget tool changer machines and RR index BL are not alone. What I do agree though is the value per product, but then again future as already stated is uncertain.

[@jothain]

Same. I was actually thinking to get one at home and we were considering X1C as an option at work too, but we were already leaning towards XL cause of vastly larger bed size. But 100% certainty Bambu is no more even considered.

[@bradfordleak]

Same

[@tunedstylespecs]

@jothain you can also take a look at the Ratrig Vcore 4. I am leaning towards their index option. They will soon introduce multicolor as well, and don't forget BTT releasing vivid there going to be many options.

[@kchaney56]

Saw this topic on Rossman's channel and based on this I have taken Bambu of the list of possible printers I will buy.

[@romanhar4151]

Same for me. But what do you have still on the List??

[@kchaney56]

@@romanhar4151 Prusa Core 1

[@LilApe]

Having bambu lab sell prusa printers wasn't on my 2025 bingo card.

[@blackrul3z]

I was around 99.9% sure they will go after print farms and the management sw. And if they do, they have to basically destroy anything between them and the farms. As casuals are using the handy app only, and buy bambu filament, that's not a huge deal and there are a looooot of them. Now only the enthusiast / prosumer users will care about privacy, third party slicer or octoeverywhere... Those will fight but they don't buy bambu filament, they don't generate money after the printer sale... so they can go to prusa.

[@Kwitzats]

I actually wouldn't mind paying to use the web service as long as i am not forced to use it.

[@Underp4ntz_Gaming_Channel]

@@Kwitzats there it is. someone that wants to pay for this kind of bs... you are the problem. because if you give them 1 thing they take everything. if you want to live in a subscription world thats on you. klipper and other firmware or octoprint etc can run open webservices too... for free.

[@nathan1sixteen]

@@Kwitzatsagreed. I’d be open to paying for additional feature that use Bambu Backend services, as long as I’m not required to pay for them. With that being said, if I buy something being told something is included free, and then a year later they go “never mind, we changed our minds, pay up”, that’s an issue. Unfortunately, every time a company updates their TOS, that’s basically what happens. They do the ole “bait and switch”, where you originally signed up for one thing, you get invested, and they they switch the deal up and your choices are either bend the knee or don’t use the service anymore

[@Kevin-jb2pv]

@@Underp4ntz_Gaming_Channel You're missing the point of what he said. He's saying he would be willing to pay for convenience, but _only_ if he isn't forced into it. And I think that's a fair position. There's nothing wrong with paying for someone else to do something for you if it makes your experience smoother and more enjoyable. The problem with Bambulab isn't that they have a web service to sell, we _all_ use web services (check the URL you're on), it's that they rug pulled their customers and intentionally bricked functionality to force them into their closed ecosystem.

[@ulaB]

They've learned from DJI: 1. undercut the competition with VC money 2. capture a huge chunk of the market 3. lock people into your ecosystem 4. ... 5. Profit

[@ventilate4267]

Not just DJI. That's basically every tech company these days, because it's not profitable otherwise. "Embrace, extend, and extinguish"

[@Demento1974]

That's because the founders of Bambu Labs all left DJI !!! That mentallity is finally starting to rear its ugly head, now. Sad, sad state of affairs. :(

[@MartinWolker]

4. Subcription business model

[@Azzysdesignworks]

Learned? Would not surprise me that the people that left DJI for Bambu were tasked with industry disruption. Its happened in other industries many times.

[@Malisteen]

step four is start charging a subscription fee to use the software that's now required to operate the device.

[@HappyMathDad]

This is a clear opportunity for Prusa

Creality owns the market and will benefit from it

[@jothain]

This will for sure increase sales for them. Hell even Jeff Geerling just few minutes ago uploaded vid saying he can't anymore recommend Bambu, but like Creality in future. He literally said this :)

[@TheSanzca]

Well, getting the old trusted Voron up and running again I guess. Last prints on the Bambi will be Voron upgrade parts. Oh, the irony.

[@SprayBottleOfMilk]

I do not care what Bambu does going forward. I'm selling my P1S and moving on to a Prusa and Voron. Bambu can walk back their statements, I do not care, they've proven that they're willing to do it.

[@kylequinn1963]

Prusa needs to make a K2 Plus machine and I'ld buy it, assuming it isn't insanely priced which it will be based on the price of the Prusa XL. I'll be grabbing a K2 plus instead of waiting for the new Bambu XL.

[@jonwoodworker]

I'm in Maryland and can pick up your P1S right now.

[@ANIMshit]

im gona change to Qidi

[@robblincoln2152]

I think the next XL will look a lot like the current CORE One, but don’t expect the price to drop that much. The reason the CORE price came out relatively low (compared to the mk4) was all the shared components. I think they might try to spread the cost out by making an intermediate model. They might end up using a portion of the segmented heating bed and limit the tool changing heads to just 2. This means they don’t need 2x the controller boards and a much more reasonable power supply.

[@biomerl]

Everyone who supported bamboo is a fucking fool. When china invades Taiwan your machine will be a bricked liability.

[@fade528]

So i had the A1 to learn printing. Thank you bambu for teaching me bed heating and basic maintenance. Now i will use it to build a VORON. Also i suspect that they limit firmware changing to prevent gun parts from being printed - especially with the new release of AI-based gun part detection.

[@SiBOneTheRocks]

So Prusa is back to the main print farm brand, as it should have always been

[@dosdont]

Not just print farms

[@willofthemaker]

Core 1 coming out soon is perfect timing

[@dosdont]

@@willofthemaker Perfect timing but for who, the competition? If this goes south for Bambu, which from what I've been reading around the net, response has been all negative, they're going to lose huge sales.

[@willofthemaker]

@@dosdont for prusa of course. And everyone else wanting a (hopefully) kick ass printer that you will never have to worry about issues like this. Id say as a whole Prusa has earned our trust and has always embraced the core beliefs of the community

[@Marci124]

My mate works at an ME/EE design office and they bought a MK4 with an enclosure for the office, basically on a whim. Their reputation for working out-of-the-box and not having to be fine-tuned or babysat is worth gold. These purchases are crumbs to big companies, but a steady profit line for Prusa.

[@ethanchosdad-xh9ih]

The core 1 is looking very attractive now!

[@baremetaltechtv]

I've said for a few months now we need to come up with a control board swap of some kind so we can just switch over to clipper or possibly even a custom firmware from the people who made the X1 firmware. We just rip out bambu's crappy underpowered esp32 board and replace it with a raspberry pi or something

[@looxonline]

*hands his beer to @baremetaltechtv*

[@solasauto]

I have been praying for this for years now.

[@rickyb3072]

I believe someone has. They've got Klipper running on their P1 by swapping in a new board.

[@JoeGator23]

Now someone has the reason and initiative to get this done... chances are that it is happening as we speak.

[@UgrevsBoots]

Could you imagine Prusa selling a board to take over the BL? Oh please.. prusa..do it!! I own 2 P1s.. i would totally buy it.

[@2._-1.-_]

Thank you. Friend recently gifted me his Ender 3, v2. He just bought a Bambu Lab. I just ordered 6 rolls of Bambu filament. I'm done with them. The Ender is slow, but I'll take that over forced cloud any day. Looks like Prusa is in my future.

[@Dont_Poke_The_Bear]

Bambu is trying to take the Glowforge approach... Dumb dummmmb dummmmmmmbbbb!

[@IMRROcom]

I looked at Glowforge years ago, and was excited about them etc. then I see you need to deal with the mother ship, Gave them a BIG F NO and will not buy or own anything from them. My IP needs to stay walled off in my little world and never connected to the internet or shared with the mother ships

[@terryevans1976]

Exactly.

[@smellysam]

Tried to check the Glowforge website... Quit trying after the 4th full screen pop up in 30 seconds...

[@sean6417]

My biggest concern is that other 3d printer manufacturers will look at bambu and follow suit.

[@CanuckCreator]

i REALLY hope not, but lets be honest, most companies (not all) rely too much on open source work on things like firmware to try and pull this kind of move

[@christian72141]

Makes it all the more important to set an example by getting as much attention on their shitty practices as soon as possible.

[@dsjove]

Unfortunately we are seeing the "subscriptionization" of 2D printers as companies follow suit.

[@Standbackforscience]

Prusa and Ratrig are still on our side.

[@netpackrat]

The way the market seems to be responding, it's more likely the other 3d printer manufacturers will look at what Bambu has done, and recognize it as an object lesson in what not to do.

[@scruffy3121]

I've got 2 Bambu printers. This time they have lost my trust. I will never again buy a Bambu machine.

[@solasauto]

samesies

[@WhiteG60]

@@scruffy3121 They haven’t done anything yet though, have they? We’re speculating and panicking over that?

[@scruffy3121]

@WhiteG60 they have done changes in the past and now they are considering even more changes. That's enough that I cannot trust them to pull the rug. Therefore investing money into their products is not on the table for me.

[@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket]

@@WhiteG60 They disabled any "cloud connected" 3d printers (it's on by default) from printing without installing the firmware update that requires use of the cloud. What the heck do you mean "they haven't done anything yet though"?

[@quademasters249]

I don't like it but I'm going to wait till it actually restricts me to do anything about it. Seems like an opening for a replacement controller.

[@chrisl4999]

5:49 fun fact - if they used standard cam protocols they wouldn’t need to send the video feed through their own servers. These costs are directly related to software design decisions they made to force the data through their servers.

[@Arewethereyet69]

I am sure they are profiting off the webcam data anyways. either by selling it or training their own software. If anything they should be happy people are using it.

[@mick0matic]

this is great news, now no one can be confused to what kind of company bambu really is no one is surprised this happened.

[@Underp4ntz_Gaming_Channel]

makerbot and ultimaker and couple of other brands did the same. both gone bankrupt and sold their sjit to stratasys. they want you to force buying their filaments on weird spool formfactors or whatsoever.

[@Liberty4Ever]

I thought it was obvious from the start but every time I tried to warn people, the Cult of Bambu would shout me down and accuse me of lying and/or being a conspiracy theorist. Maybe now, most people can see the core values of Bambu Labs, but they still have their cult members defending this heinous nonsense.

[@timhooglandyt]

100% right

[@christhorney]

I'm so pissed that I literally gave them a few years to prove themselves before jumping in, literally 3 months later they do this BS! I'm so annoyed, I emailed them and y'all should too

[@Arewethereyet69]

same, $70+ dollars to return this less than 15 day printer plus out the cost of taxes and original shipping. Will be out $150+ alone. Might have to just keep and resell it later to someone with a clear understanding that this POS is tied to a rent to print.

[@matthewlucht1523]

@canuckcreator I really like your approach to this subject. You aren't dragging Bambu through the mud, you are stating facts and well thought out possible outcomes. You could have straight up come out guns blazing but you didn't and that goes along way. Keep up the good work and thanks for keeping your audience informed as this unfolds.

[@jonsenkiw]

Exactly

[@ericrandall3539]

This is one of those situations where guns a blazing is completely justified and expected. I question any reaction short of that as suspect.

[@parcosmaulo1]

is anyone surprised?

[@sageslarres]

that a closed source printer with proprietary software and a cloud connection would try forcing that cloud connection in a future update? Fucking shocker.

[@alexeyf1795]

Not surprised, but disappointed.

[@TROPtastic]

I believed the statement from their CEO that they would have proprietary software but allow 3rd parties to operate in their ecosystem and interface with their printers. I was not expecting a Vader "I am altering the deal"

[@JojoJoget]

Kind of, they were moving towards making it less Big Brother until the US decided to ban DJI drones and Tiktok.

[@sageslarres]

@ no they weren't.

[@кира-о9з6ъ]

7:07 fun fact, bambu lab was founded by former DJI engineers

[@CanuckCreator]

yep

[@nunopereira6092]

"former"... *wink wink*

[@jjptech]

And they are doing the same as DJI did to the newer generation of drones

[@Voyajer.]

That should have been a massive red flag to everyone when they first debuted

[@JojoJoget]

Well to be fair, besides Autel and Freefly to an extent, no one has made worthy competition to DJI in the drone space. The difference between what Bambu does and what other companies do with 3d printer is a rather narrow valley compared to huge canyon that is DJI vs DIY drones and other companies

[@burgle66]

This 100% the first big step toward a “subscription-to-use” product model.

[@N0nchu]

Australian owners that bought from a Australian supplier would be able to argue for a refund under our consumer law and it does not match the product purchased and if you'd know before hand you may not have bought it.

[@LexJones]

With Bambu Lab pulling this kind of crap, this seems like a great opportunity for someone like Big Tree Tech (BTT) to develop a drop in replacement controller to take away all of the bambu lab crap and replace with a mainline klipper alternative, completely stripping away Bambu Labs control and accessibility to printers in the wild. BTT, I'll buy the BL replacement mainboard as soon as you put it out!

[@JoeGator23]

So will everyone else. The prefect solution is on the way.

[@repinscorpio]

Bambu Lab, as always, shot themselves in the foot.

[@fog1257]

@@repinscorpio This must be the first time they shot themselves in the foot. I've used plenty of other machines but I've never had as good of a printing experience as with these. It's a shame to see that they are willing to throw it away out of greed..

[@GreenPlasticWaterCan]

@@fog1257 The botched A1 recall was also a shoot themselves in the foot moment.

[@fog1257]

@@GreenPlasticWaterCan All companies make mistakes, they built a MK4 for less than half the price and it performed better. I am not surprised something went wrong. I've used both Creality and Prusa before but both have lost their edge. Someday Bambu will lose theirs and another company will come along. It's just how it works.

[@GreenPlasticWaterCan]

@ It's not that the recall happened, it's the way it happened.

[@fog1257]

@@GreenPlasticWaterCan Didn't they pay a refund or what do you mean?

[@nikwoac]

Two things: 1. It's time for the community to start figuring out ways to convert these machines to run on aftermarket boards. Mechanically, these things function exactly like any other printer, and I'm sure companies like BTT would be more than happy to sell drop in replacements if there was a market for it. 2. (And this is coming from my inner millennial doomer) Our perpetually online culture is at fault for things like this. We don't NEED every product to be constantly electrically tethered to the mothership, but it's convenient, so consumers buy into it. Companies like Bambu (and BMW, Ford, Apple, Google, Samsung, etc.) are happy to find new ways to exploit it for profit.

[@timhooglandyt]

Would love to see this but its likely too expensive to develop the hardware to do this. I've looked into it and it would be upwards of 10-12K to make boards to swap out to run Klipper on these machines. Not worth taking that risk to not get the ROI.

[@nunyabiz1712]

Just today I set the printer to LAN mode, reserved an IP for the printer in my router's DHCP, then blocked packets from that IP at the firewall. Bambu will never see another packet from it.

[@sileniu]

Is there a tutorial or something i can see and learn to do just this? ^^^

[@ddegn]

@@sileniu I'm wondering the same thing. I'd also like to find a tutorial on how to keep Bambu from interfacing with my printer.

[@trivalentclan]

Google the right terms or have a network/security engineer as a family member.

[@tappy8741]

@@sileniu Depends on your router you'll have to google it.

[@steveelves3499]

I've been a Prusa user for years - in fact, I just ordered a Core 1. Yes, they're more expensive than some. Yes, they're not as flashy and "sexy" as some. BUT, they are damned sensitive and loyal to their customer base. They are honest - they have refused to issue promised updates/improvements that disappointed their QC audit. Bottom line is, I trust Prusa not to screw their base. I'm sticking with them.

[@IMRROcom]

security would not be needing it to be connected to the internet at all. I still walk my SD cards and thumb drives back to my printers. If I want to look at them, I had a Home security camera hooked up at one point. I do not want my prints going outside my shop to be ran in some other place and then come back to me with a stamp of approval. I'm printing stuff for my web store. My STL, My File, My Sale. I'm not printing lower half's etc. but if I did, it is no ones else business that I'm doing that in my own home.

[@MiyazakisPVPexperience]

I was way too close to buying a Bambu printer. Thank you for saving me that money. I cannot stand buying something & not owning them

[@Average-AL]

Good timing for this. I was seriously considering a X1, but now it is off my list until I see how this plays out.

[@Liberty4Ever]

Many people don't care how this plays out. The fact that Bambu Lab even attempted to lock down their printers (that their customers erroneously believed were theirs) is enough to indicate that Bambu Lab isn't a company that they want to patronize.

[@Average-AL]

@@Liberty4Ever Some people don't care about countries invading their neighbours and other shit as well, but I will stay away from Bambu lab now, am I am sure I am not the only one.

[@jadus2198]

The rise and fall of Bamboo printers....

[@jazzboy]

Build it, fix it and enjoy it with open source. Zero surprise with these choices.

[@NTVN-Alex]

It's not just a good printer for 'newbies'. It's a good printer for anyone who doesn't want to spend hours and hours tinkering with it but just wants to 3d-print stuff. They helped set a standard that forced companies like Creality to up their game instead of, like you mentioned, release dozens of half-working devices you need to babysit to even get a result. They made 3D-printing consumer-friendly. They made multicolor printing consumer-friendly. And now they've shot themselves in the foot. With a bazooka.

[@budwittman4907]

i dont own any but my friends do. one friend, i bought an ender 5 from him he bought second hand and he couldnt get it to work, come to find out all was wrong was it had a 1mm nozzle and was slicing for a .04 nozzle. i had this issue remedied in about 2 hrs once i figured out where the problem was he didnt even know where to start. then he bought a bamboo, and it works, but as soon as it doesnt he will not have a clue what to do.

[@NTVN-Alex]

@@budwittman4907 so he would be a 'newbie' in that regard. It would be quite easy to fix if you know how the printer is working. I agree. I always compare 3D printing fans to car lovers. You have people who love to get their hands dirty, take engines apart, mount different wheels and what not. Their car is more IN the garage than it is out riding. And you have the people that love to drive their car. They know roughly how the inners work but they are more in love with the driving experience and moving through the landscape rather than tinker with the engine all day. It's the same with 3D printers. You have people who love to build them, print 2001 add-ons for them, make them 20mm/s faster, etcetera. And there are those people who want to use it to create the best prints. They want to design stuff and 3D print things they could never do before 3D printing. For the 2nd category, Bambu has been an insane brand. Following to your example, I should actually extend my car analogy with a 3rd category of people: the people who just use a car. They don't care about the car or the technology or the driving experience. The car is there to get them from A to B, to get to work, to bring the kids to school and so on. They don't know about the technology and they don't care. It just has to work. In the 3D-world, these folks just want to download parts from Makerworld, Thingiverse and such, print them and use them. Period. I guess there is no good solution for these folks yet. 3D printing is not that far in its development so it is mass consumer friendly. It simply hasn't reached that level of maturity yet. Maybe it never will. Not unlike CNC, it may never leave the workshop. It may enter smaller shops when the technology becomes more affordable, but it will never end up on the desk of a normal user.

[@JoshFisher567]

Rule of thumb, don't take away features that have been available since your product launched. Bambu chose to route all traffic through AWS. They don't like paying for API callls from Home Assistant or a Panda touch so they picked a fight with the internet. How's that working out? In under 24 hours the cert and private keys have been extracted and Bambu Connect has been reverse engineered using the Mac OS dmg install file and maybe 29 lines of Python. This will be a cat and mouse game and Bambu will lose. Don't pick a fight with the internet. Name one company that did where it ended well. Bambu may have made 3D printing "plug and play" but they did so by taking open source software like Prusa slicer, making it closed source, then open source EXCEPT 2 network dll files so you need their plugin, which won't work with other slicers like Orca. I'm sorry, but they got where they are iff the work of others. I'm not saying what they did was easy, but they didn't reinvent the wheel. The X1 was based on some other open source firmware also. Now the P1/A1 use an ESP32-S3 which is crazy. Still, this won't end well for Bambu. You can upload sliced files to the SD card using SFTP so now I'll just have to get up and press a few buttons Was my first printer a huge learning curve? Yes, but I would rather figure out slicer and filament slicer settings myself then be in such a closed down crappy cloud ecosystem. Honestly, almost every printer I've owned has been pretty solid once the slicer and filament settings are dialed in and that's 50 percent of what Bambu does if you buy their filaments.

[@budwittman4907]

@@NTVN-Alex i agree mostly, though there is now some high quality desktop cnc machines coming down into the use at home price range not to much price difference than a mopa fiber laser. decent desktop cnc for 5200 to 7k. and i think that will cut in half again in 24 months.

[@Denniss7420]

@@NTVN-Alex So do you also feel that way about computers and the internet? Should one be required to build their own "tower" computer in order to use a computer or be online??

[@kaizoor]

Charging Tiers as subscription for a 3d printer is the full circle to the HP ink subscription taht you can not pront wihtout even if you still have ink left.

[@pseudomemes5267]

Remember that whole "RFID on print material spools" system they claimed was to "configure the printer with settings" ... This was all part of the plan to lock down the printers like HP does their inkjets. Side note: buy epsom ecotank. They allow you to just add in whatever ink you want. What a concept.

[@kaizoor]

You can also use the Ecotank to do sublimation transfer to 3dprints. There is a video that shows this from Teaching Tech

[@pseudomemes5267]

@@kaizoor yeah I've heard about that. Never tried it

[@MonguzTea]

Time for custom firmware or an open source mainboard replacement. Sad to see Bambu implode like this.

[@heathcliffebird7514]

i was torn between getting a bambu a1 or a creality k series. bambu just made the choice for me.

[@eliblessed]

I was looking at a P1s, but I am going with a Qidi Q1 pro instead.

[@nunopereira6092]

@@eliblessed I ordered a S1 Combo from Anycubic. My first non-kit printer since 2015.

[@TROPtastic]

The Creality Hi (basically a clone of the BambuLab A1) is launching soon, so that could be exactly what you want if the software and firmware is open.

[@jjptech]

Yesterday I was 2 days away from purchacing a Bambulab A1... I feel like a fool, I convinced my self that this was unlikely to happen, even when I called out their data stealing behaviour a few months ago. I though locking down a system to this level was not possible due to hardware limitations

[@steveelves3499]

Do yourself a favor and order a Prusa Core 1. They might cost more, but they are going to be very accurate and reliable - and Prusa isn't going to screw you over.

[@paulthetexan]

I sent them email letting them know that they won't get any more of my money. I doubt anything will change, but at least they know people are going to stop giving them money. Changing the terms of sale after the sale should be illegal, but sadly, it's not.

[@Liberty4Ever]

Changing the terms of the sale is illegal in Australia. Bambu Lab could be forced to pay new price to buy back used printers, plus related equipment, even including aftermarket parts not even sold by Bambu Lab.

[@teardowndan5364]

Throw Bambu's controller out and replace them with something else. There is no shortage of aftermarket controllers for the DIY market, throwing together an adapter kit and firmware profile for Bambu printers shouldn't take very long, still works on the same fundamental principles as every other 3D printer using mostly the same types of parts.

[@thatcanadianguy3327]

Not suprised, their x1c works great and I knew going into it that most of the usability was online but If they try and make it a paid subscription or turn my machine into an online use only well that's just not gonna fly, I've already unplugged them and set up a few of the k1s

[@ANg-yz1zl]

Bambu may need to Google the term JohnDeere before implementing those updates.

[@Liberty4Ever]

Bambu Labs marketing department might want to search for "Bud Light" to see what can happen when a company goes out of its way to alienate and offend its customers.

[@123deliçavuş]

Board swap + klipper sounding attractive. There is a guy who did klipper conversion on youtube

[@nunopereira6092]

Kind of defeats the purpose of a ready to use printer, though.

[@Voyajer.]

​@@nunopereira6092enjoy lock-in then

[@xWarpworksx]

If you have one, sure, but you may as well buy a printer that you can root with Klipper out of the box

[@Underp4ntz_Gaming_Channel]

will do the same if they uphold the bs update. im pretty sure biqu/bigtreetech, mellow and other ppls will do a drop in board with klipper or the firmware of your choice.

[@carypeltier8247]

Total newbie here and I bought the Bambu X1C with AMS about 7 months ago. I was amazed I figured out how to print fixtures and parts being totally new. My kids make fun things with ease. My work was in the market for a new printer and I pushed for Bambu but can’t say that now cause there is no way they or I is going to pay subscription fees.

[@Frient]

I was thinking of buying a bambu recently but now I'm just gonna hold off for the Prusa core kit. Lol nice job guys.

[@dosdont]

I have their printers, I'm done, it will only get worse from here and I don't want anything to do with this company moving forward.

[@Tiger-fv3nl]

You have said this on about 10 different videos.. We get it. You don't have to keep repeating yourself

[@TimotheFillionBrunet]

I don't know if at some point someone will make a board to replace the main board of bambu printer and run klipper

[@lukasschworer840]

Prusa, your time to shine!

[@Vash.Baldeus]

Ever since I first heard of their printers, I checked them out a bit, moment I found out the firmware is closed source I said "Nope". Because 3D Printing is an open-source (least regarding the printers), and always should be that. They maybe made good printers, but now they are doing what DJI done, locking down things that should not have happened. Their excuse of "security" does not hold water here as there is far more to it.

[@DeadEncryption]

Always appreciate these type of videos brother, thank you for keeping us informed / up to date.

[@kylequinn1963]

What people need to understand is, in my opinion, Bambu is taking the inkjet printer route. You mentioned how it's insane how cheap their machines are and how good quality they are, exactly. Take into account their affordable hardware, their affordable filament, their great ecosystem in general and their Maker World which gives you FREE STUFF without generating ANY PROFIT for the company and you start to see the picture. They're selling the machines at break even or a loss, so they're not "making their money at the point of sale" with the direct intention of making their money by sucking people into their Maker World using points to get free stuff, and once everyone is on the hook, they lock everything down, force use of their filament ONLY, their parts ONLY and their Maker World ONLY and potentially a tiered monthly/annual subscription to continue using the machine you paid money for all while simultaneously harvesting all of your printed files via their cloud and effectively taking ownership of your uploaded STL's.

[@Antassium]

I think that might be a stretch, but there's likely truth to it, sadly.

[@timlong7289]

Hit the nail squarely on the head. Thank you for speaking out clearly and directly.

[@Sgt_Hest]

Only bambu wins with subscriptions. If they go through with that, every company will do it. Ofc its not about security. Bambu is not an option for me anymore

[@mrtnsnp]

The non-local interface - everything gets transferred through the Bambi website - is a red-flag of the highest order.

[@Arewethereyet69]

If the government really cared about Intellectual Property they would be doing something about this not about Tiktok. Imagine you have an idea and you are forced to use bambus software (chinese owned), few days later you see your item has been stolen. This is truly is an oligarchy system we are living in.

[@Liberty4Ever]

Coercing customers to submit designs through the Bambu Lab print server was always a huge red flag, but apparently most people are only now starting to notice. I can see where people not caring for years convinced Bambu Lab that nobody cares about their privacy and security and that's nearly but not always true.

[@ozemale6t928]

@@Liberty4Ever This is more than ok if you are only printing stuff you downloaded off Makerworld and others. The moment I started printing my self designed stuff on my X1C, I went to LAN mode and haven't gone back. I don't have a need for access from outside my house, because frankly I don't trust a printer even of this calibre to not burn my house down. Bonus for me with being in LAN mode is the update won't happen.

[@Liberty4Ever]

@@ozemale6t928 - I've been shocked that so many Bambu Lab customers have been OK with Bambu's coercion to use their cloud based print server, since the start of Bambu Lab. I suppose the people who are attracted to the closed wall, pretty, Apple-ish, "it just works" products are, on average, more accustomed to being owned by their products and have very low expectations for privacy and security. The Bambu print server looked evil to me from day one and I was never interested in buying ANY Bambu Lab product. I opted out of their entire corporate ethos and philosophy. Hopefully you got your X1C offline before Bambu pushed a firmware update that will brick it if unable to phone home to Bambu. I know that sounds nuts to many people but those are some of the same people who said I was nuts when I warned that Bambu Lab will lock down their proprietary system and prevent their customers from using any non-Bambu products, and now they can't print from OrcaSlicer. A company that would prevent its customers from freely using the products they bought seems like a company that would time bomb their firmware before announcing that they were locking down their products to restrict or eliminate customer choice. No doubt white hat hackers are already working on installing Klipper on Bambu Lab motherboards. If that's not practical (Bambu designed it to discourage jail breaking), then someone will make drop-in Klipper motherboards for all Bambu Lab printers. I've read that Bambu motherboards barely have the computational ability needed to run, so a new mobo could be a nice Klipper upgrade.

[@tonysimek]

My first 3d printer is a bambu lab. I have purchased my last bambu lab.

[@srlsigns7944]

I’ve always been preferential toward Prusa because of the open source business model. We are makers, builders, and modders and despite some Prusa blunders and slow progression at times, they haven’t forgotten who we are.

[@3vi1J]

As a Linux user, it bothers me that Bambu Connect isn't even available for Linux yet. I hope no Linux shop accidentally updates their firmware and suddenly finds they can't even set up a BC automation workaround for their broken processes.

[@sebbrue01]

I'm so happy now that bought a Sovol SV08 instead of a Bambu printer. Yeah the first two weeks were a pain and a lot of tinkering to get everything running properly and most OEM kinks fixed but it's running great, reliable and most important it runs vanilla klipper now.

[@Liberty4Ever]

I need to mainline Klipper my SV08. After a few weeks of printing, the SV08 started under extruding. I need to fix that. Hopefully the drive gear is spinning on the motor shaft and that's a simple blue Loctite and torque the set screw fix. The bed is warped more than 1 mm. I printed some shims and drilled the magnetic sheet to get access to the print bed mounting but haven't leveled the bed yet. I have a new thicker magnetic sheet that eliminates the PEI sheet being suspended on the four corner alignment tabs to make corner spikes in the bed mesh. I replaced the noisy motherboard fan with a 4010 Noctua fan and I installed the MicroSwiss FlowTech hot end as I was assembling the SV08. I'm also going to need a more accurate bed probe after I get the bed mesh variance

[@FNmey]

Yeah this is really sad … we had 4 machines of theirs in the farm for testing… had a feeling I would be writing that investment off sooner or later. We seriously considered them but bambu just made our decision for us to go somewhere else.

[@baderalafghani4564]

Prusa , Voron, Ratrig and so many are there so why would you go for a Bambu

[@willofthemaker]

Need more out of the box options that are trustworthy

[@123deliçavuş]

Because you plug it in and start printing, need 0 technical knowledge (not a bambu user)

[@xIsouLcruSHca]

Cause the market it way bigger for printers that even my nephew could learn to use compared to the market for enthusiasts who know how to build a good printer. I'm really glad I build a Voron and think more people will chose the DIY and/or open source route from now.

[@willofthemaker]

@@xIsouLcruSHca I built my first printer 10 years ago. It's a great place to start off you're technically mine and really want to learn how they work and how to fix them. I don't have time to do that anymore with two kids under 3 so i really value pre built machines. I think the popularity of Bambu and all the other printers that work out of the box is telling where the market is going

[@Voyajer.]

​@@willofthemakerneeding printers that work ootb is what caused this problem in the first place

[@christhorney]

Imagine building a business within a community full of diy people who are generally right to repair and right of ownership, and then trying to turn the screws. Honestly the stupidest thing ever

[@JoeGator23]

Just another version of going woke. Some dumb asses never learn. This will cost them $10's and $10's of millions going forward. They are now untrustable.

[@Lord-Of-Light]

I agree with this 100%. I’ve been recommending bamboo printers to Anyone who asked me for a while now, but that has stoped now. I was also planning to buy the large format printer when it came out later this year, that’s not happening now either. I’ll revisit this company in a few years and see how they’ve gone, but it sounds like they are trying to go the route of the standard Chinese company.

[@Zebraflite]

Unfortunately, every Chinese company has a partner whether they like it or not. It’s the Chinese government and they can dictate things that do not make sense for a western entrepreneur. As you know Bambu Labs machine are very popular with companies for prototyping. As such this is a potential goldmine of new and proprietary technologies for China. They did the same thing to DJI and other Chinese drone companies. You probably won’t be able to buy a DJI drone in the US soon.

[@Zebraflite]

They did the same thing to DJI and other drone companies.

[@hansthienpont5328]

So happy I was still undecided on what printer I was going to get as second printer. I’ve got a now 4 year old Flashforge Dreamer at the moment. It has it’s flaws sometimes but all in all it’s very easy printer to work with and the print quality has been nothing but astonishing for such a cheap printer. They updated their slicing program some years ago and I didn’t like it as it felt like a downgrade. Less settings to tamper with. But no problem reverting to the previous version. So I think I’ll be getting a second flashforge, to bad the dreamer is out of production (which is my biggest reason for being undecided which one to get), wouldn’t mind having a second one of those

[@Kosm0Doc]

just put my p1s into lan mode and wont update it

[@MonguzTea]

Until they stealth update it.

[@Knowbody42]

Valve: Does nothing Competitors: Shooting themselves in the feet over and over again

[@DOGMA1138]

Both things should happen, Bambu and all printers should definitely have a strong auth flow for any network connectivity with the printer, this is why all my 3D printers are on their own network still and will never be allowed even into the wider IOT network of my house. But they should also do this using open protocols that anyone can adopt. Pairing two or more devices together relatively securely with minimal user interaction is more or less a solved problem already. Heck OIDC device flow can be easily used for this, they can even keep the Bambu account requirement if they want.

[@fribbledom5256]

They're doing all this in the name of security and then offer a solution that literally ships their private key to everyone's desktop. It's been leaked by now. This entire situation is so ridiculously amateurish, I don't even know what to say. There are a multitude of ways to actually improve their security: an Oauth API, API tokens, token/PIN exchange on the printer's display and/or a QR-code, an actual LAN-only mode, manual certificate exchange, ... I'll stop here. All of these solutions would be absolutely feasible, actually secure, and would not lock you out from using a third-party slicer. Their solution isn't about security at all, it's only about controlling their ecosystem.

[@JoeGator23]

more like "controlling their shrinking customer base". Suckers will buy anything- until they realize that they have been screwed.

[@real3dprints]

So glad I stuck with Prusa and didn't go for the shiny ball printer.

[@JanicekTrnecka]

I was always questioning the fact I spent shitload of money on Prusa. Yet I couldn't get rid of that annoying ass itch. It either ment that I have worms or that BambuLab is a trap. ...Now I can say, I dont have worms :)

[@KennyLenny0]

love this talking point. This is why i didn't buy bambu, i heard about this and it worries me because i had a MakerBot replicator+, and MakerBot completely stopped updating everything and i couldn't even use the printer because system was locked. also was getting so many error codes from the outdated hotend design. i ended up swapping out the hotend and started running klipper to revive the machine after almost 6 years of collecting dust open source all the way after that experience.

[@pavelperina7629]

Very good arguments. If they block OrcaSlicer, they can make calibration of 3rd party filaments harder or block them altogether - i'm just not sure if it's legal to limit functionality with false excuse like protecting users against themselves and make product intentionally worse over the time. It's quite good they started with this crap early before they reach monopoly, I hope it will backfire hard.

[@Adrian_Enache]

Since 3D printers are essentially TOOLS, can anyone imagine or accept a future where your Milwaukee Drill won't start because your did not insert a Milwaukee original drill bit in it's chuck?

[@Paul_______]

I was about to get a bambu today. watching tons of review and startup videos. I backed out after seeing this. Now I think I want the new core one

[@fheral]

I was a Bambu famboy, and I do not mod anything, I basically only use Bambu stuff and I was happy doing so. I was not even looking for alternatives, because I thought I would never need anymore, that tinkering was a thing of the past. Now I need to learn of an alternative, because even not being affected technically by it, I am being affected by our freedom being stripped. Think about it, all will go through the cloud, and only approved models will be approved. What if they do not approve a model you want to print, because they judge improper, or violent, or politically controversy ... or whatever they do not believe in. I BOUGHT a printer, I do not need to request permission to use it.

[@uscmhudson5504]

I'm in the market for a new printer and now I'm going to have to take a pass on Bambu Labs, any suggestions on alternatives worth looking at?

[@Jodah175]

newbie here. Got my A1 + AMS Lite in dec. Been printing tons of fun stuff. Absolutely love it far more than I ever loved my Ender 3 Pro. I absolutely love my A1 combo. That being said, I've been looking into Voron stuff lately, and this video is the exact reason why. Nobody really cares about the first step. But everyone cares about the last step that finally breaks the camels back.

[@drunken_physics]

it feels to me like this could split the community into those that understand how 3d printing works and understand the consequences and those that dont care. the apple android moment?

[@andreas.grundler]

It looks like the private key Bambu Connect uses has already been extracted. Bambu Lab will change the key and someone will extract it again. A endless game of cat and mouse. The statement that they are doing it to improve security made no sense to me. Especially when they mention DDOS attacks as a reason. A DDOS attack overloads the system with too many requests. Wanting to verify these first would only make the problem worse and not solve it.

[@Eff917]

Well they could be being ddos'd by their own printers, which are not property secured, and are accessible from the public internet. But this is a very bad way of battling it...

[@michaell8835]

I was so close to buying a Bambu printer in December, and decided to wait for the new model releases. So glad I didn’t press the buy button! I won’t be buying Bambu unless they 100% come out and backtrack regarding all this. Really does now make me think the price point was purposely attractive, to get a market share, then lock everyone’s printers into a subscription model.

[@hjvlthiny]

My feeling is that this has to do with a few things: .Governments don't like you to print things that look like weapons. .Big companies don't like you to print spare parts for their products. .Every design you(as a company) upload to their cloud is automatically owned by them. .Etc, etc

[@Arewethereyet69]

This stinks of government intervention, the CEO being taken out is an excuse to make everything trackable. You want to print something, first let bambu and the government keep a record and if something bad happens the FPI will be coming to your door. Or who knows, maybe Nintendo or Disney might take you to court, why do you need 100+ keychains of the rat?

[@Liberty4Ever]

All Your Designs Are Belong To Us

[@JulianMakes]

Woah… thank you for this. I was literally about to buy an x1 carbon. I shall wait and see what’s what when the dust settles.

[@grey_sloth2862]

Easy solution, stop buying Bambu Lab printers. Simples.

[@ericlotze7724]

10:25…good point…however NUMBER MUST GO UP!

[@b3nny90]

If they put it into a subscription model, it will destroy a lot of businesses and small farms. Ive since turned off my 5 bambu printers because they refuse to listen. Its really disappointing. But could be a wake up call for other manufacturers to hurry up and break into the market properly.

[@alfskaar489]

The "machine" 3d printer is evolving all the time for me personally the best 3d printer is the Voron 2.4, when new technology gets available you can update it and improve it that is hard to do with many off the shelf 3d printers. Now go and build something and enjoy your hobby. I love working on my Hydra tool changers. 🙂

[@WARPAINTandUnicorns]

So they are trying to go full Cricut with their machines.... I'm not surprised but I'm also sad. I don't own a Bambu but it was a machine I was willing to recommend for starting printers. I would have recommend the P1S (the printer i was going to get) to most people I know if than wanted to prin more than PLA. But 2025 is where all the printer companies are going to aiming for a P1S style printer. I'd might still recommend an A1 if they just want a good printer to start with. So I almost got banned on a community for rasing the Flag on Cricut when they tried to lock down using the machine. It still would have been worth it because it was not 'drama' nor was i not drama baiting. It was literally the company putting a paywall over using the machine past 20 times per month because they forced user to only run it through the Cloud. Bambu has not gone that far yet but if you are looking to paywall farm set ups that's one step closer. Now the printer I have is the K2 Plus. I knew going in there was likely firmware updates and I know about their past machines. But I also know they are talking with the RIFD filament project and are willing to work with other companies (CoPrint is one). Alllll the printer companies have a chance now to catch up to Bambu. I'll keep using my Cricut but I will NEVER recocomend Cricut to anyone, I'm full 'the competition' now. ;) I got a Cricut Maker because it had the options I wanted for cutting things and was proven in 2019. The competition is now proven to handle this stuff as well.

[@AlanTuringWannabe]

I think this might have something to do with locking is into buying filament from Bambu. Hopefully we can put the existing RFID tags we have on the spools to keep using the AMS.

[@austinlaramee7811]

That proprietary slicer will soon not slice because a replacement part you need is “copyrighted”

[@simontanguay3619]

So glad I built my Voron (and ongoing a positron build) instead of buying a Bambu. I learned so much along this journey. Open systems are the way.

[@WillPower311]

WE DON'T MAKE MONEY, WE COLLECT AND EXCHANGE ONLY!

[@Robert-MR]

I suggest that every owner of a BambuLab printer contacts Bambu and informs them that they will return their printer immediately if Bambu won’t stop that nonsense! Ok, it is a loss for us owners. But it is important to show who is on the strong side.

[@willofthemaker]

People have been calling them the apple of 3d printers. Closing down is exactly what apple does.

[@andrewhumphrey6863]

But to be clear, Apple has always been closed down.

[@RubixB0y]

​@andrewhumphrey6863 Hoping you're making the clarification to give Apple credit for being upfront about being a closed ecosystem, while Bambu was playing "just the tip"

[@andrewhumphrey6863]

@@RubixB0y Just clarifying, I was trying to point out that Apple’s ecosystem has always been closed, for better or worse. That is all.

[@WhiteG60]

@@andrewhumphrey6863 maybe since about 2000 but Steve Wozniak machines were always open and havkable.

[@andrewhumphrey6863]

@ That’s a fair point-early Apple machines like the Apple II were definitely more open and mod-able. It was a hobbies machine then. I was referring more to the era, in the late 80s-90s I might add, starting with the iPod and moving into the tightly integrated hardware/software ecosystem we see today. The shift has been gradual but consistent since then.

[@thefilthelement]

I love the fact that they changed what their TOS said, removed the archiving of what it said before and are gaslighting people saying it never said that 🤣

[@shawarrior]

This is ultimately why I decided to spend the time building my Voron instead of taking the easy route and buying a Bambu... Smelled this coming a mile away. The same thing has happened in the past with smart home devices that do not run using open source protocols.

[@FreeMark]

I built a voron then bought a bambu

[@thetry5063]

just use k2 plus. open-source and printing from box