Is Cape Independence REALISTIC? | Phil Craig

[@CentreForRiskAnalysis]

WATCH the full interview with Phil Craig (45 mins) on the 'Solutions With David Ansara' podcast: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqPGknWXebB-pq8

[@westcoast5814]

Please people of the WC, let's save our beautiful place & keep out the rotting, sinking ANC

[@suzettevdm51]

And then it will be seen as racism whether we like it or not!

[@davidmotlaloe5628]

It’s not ANC. It’s SA the country.

[@NEMB213]

Are y'all willing to pick up arms and fight the SA army? Independence would definitely trigger a civil war between whites, coloureds and blacks in the WC there's no doubt about that, so the question us are you willing to spill blood?

[@OfficialWooIsrael144]

Y'all sound like people who is taking other people's lands and make land and kick them out of their own land?! Sounds racist I c

[@cjels5400]

they should include the Northern Cape to

[@bsleds4585]

And eastern cape

[@cjels5400]

Bs LEDS maybe. but I dont think the people from Mtata and KWTown will take kindly to law and order

[@acidzil5542]

There is nothing stopping the Northern Cape organizing themselves or applying to join the western Cape once we have independents

[@NEMB213]

Forget it! It will never happen.

[@rdm3373]

They never will. Because this is about them holding a minority view which isn't nationally popular. It's a fuckin power grab. If NC and EC are part of it, the traitors of CI wouldn't have a party in power who hold their values and ideas. And since they are promoting betraying the country because they can't gain power nationally through the democratic process, adding us in EC and NC wouldn't help their cause.

[@marshabooysen9199]

Why doesn’t the CAIG and Capexit come together so that we can get there faster? Capexit already has 816000 people signed up

[@coloureds4capeindependence192]

The CIAG and capeXit do work together, we just focus on different areas

[@NEMB213]

Democracy doesn't work like that. Do you think texas, carlifonia etc., don't want independence? You think the US would allow independence of of those states? Trust it won't happen, all y'all are looking for is trouble nothing but trouble. If you're have the fire power to fight SA army then I say go ahead and try.

[@rdm3373]

Haha getting where ? The WC is going nowhere

[@implive17]

Because it's not gonna happen. You're not going to divide this country.

[@All_Things_Biblical]

Save the Cape and save ZA - Cape independence first is the only way to change the current political impasse. It has been done by many other little nations who were not facing genocide.

[@adamweilbach1968]

Which nations in south africa are facing genocide?

[@stlouisix3]

The focus should be on capitalism for the Western Cape, South Africa🇿🇦 and the world.

[@r.g.7200]

You a trad?

[@ronewamphahlele6191]

No one is going to divide my country

[@dieontwerper8083]

Why is the spokesperson for the Cape Independence party a Brit and their logo looks a lot like the Union Jack flag , with cross and colors? Remember one thing, true South Africans will be in charge of such an Independent Cape. It won't be a foot hold for other countries to establish another rich colony in Africa again. Otherwise, I'm all for the idea (under the rightful leadership of course).

[@catymarvelous1226]

Because this whole Cape Independence thing IS the Brit plan to regain control of South Africa. If they do succeed in destabilizing this country, they won't the only powerful country leaping at the chance of getting a piece of the pie. We'll be torn to shreds.

[@waydonesterhuizen9251]

Have also noticed the brit spokesman. Never trust them, even if you see them in front of you.

[@speciallyclean9625]

The so called Coloured people if the W.Cape are the majority , their involvement in this process will expedite the process and make it truly South African. A more inclusively coloured flag(as in colour) might improve support as not everyone loves the Brits for their own personal reasons. Once the new country arrives, new political parties will arise.. There is far less risk supporting this movement that waiting for the W.Cape to fall like the rest of SA has.

[@waydonesterhuizen9251]

First they devide, then they conquer. It's as clear as daylight what they're doing. Wake up. It should be interesting to start giving them a taste of their own medicine by taking the nicest chunk of Britain and subject it under our colonial rule. We'll be getting a lot of that wealth back which they took from South Africa a long time ago. We can even add insult to injury just like they do (e.g: When they work for us, we can treat them badly with a smile on the face, demoralize them and thereafter give them a bad reputation when they ask us for reference on their CV's). We'll decide from then onwards if we want to colonize the rest of Britain. We'll start by sending all of our rotten apples to do the colonizing, then leave the decent people here. They show that they have small island syndrome, now its our turn to call ourselves Great South Africa.

[@NyalBurns]

Looks nothing like the Union flag. Appears similar to a Dutch republican flag.

[@dvanniekerk1]

Can Minorities that suffer under SA's failures also then move to the Cape?

[@frankie7529]

I think they should. That could actually help the Western Cape in the long run but obviously these people will have to put up with very basic housing in the short term unless they can afford to buy/rent something better.

[@deviant987]

Yes! they might have a realistic chance of finding employment.

[@patrickskosanajabu4412]

To be honest, the idea of seceding the Western Cape from South Africa is insane; it's embarrassing to even discuss it.

[@siphotheguy1870]

How would The Cape defend itself against an imploding South Africa?

[@siphotheguy1870]

@Jannie Kirsten Countries go to war when they start to implode mate. Take a look at Russia.

[@rdm3373]

Firstly, WC is not a country, it has never been and never will be. Whereas Ukraine is. Ukraine is internationally recognized as an independent nation whereas WC is not. SA entering the WC, a province, would be to put down a coup

[@Desfleeding]

I support the idea in theory but the larger issue at hand is ofcourse how the new independant WC will handle economic sanctions in the event African nations like Lesotho dont recongnise it as they are SA's water source. I think independance can be achieved with a referedum, but ensuring sustainability is the bigger question and also how can a similar civil war situation like what happened at South Sudan be avoided. We all know the ANC and EFF view any form of secession as a threat to their Pan-Africanist ideals thats built on open borders

[@TheIncredibleMrG777]

As far as I’m aware, water from Lesotho is routed to the Vaal Dam. Water from the Orange River doesn’t support the Western Cape. Northern Cape, ja.

[@davidmotlaloe5628]

Let them dream. They must leave our country If they want independence.

[@davidmotlaloe5628]

The referendum should include the rest of the country, not only some few power hungry white supremacists. They can never try to divide this country again.

[@terrencepeters9203]

@@davidmotlaloe5628 amen

[@butter_nut1817]

Even if there is no war, what will the diplomatic relations between the new states? Will we have to choose between South African and Western Cape citizenship? Will we be able to cross the border. Most importantly, how will the Western Cape have an economy?

[@jczartoryski]

Cape self-determination is the only solution to the failed state.

[@jakobusstoffels5975]

It's good to see People hear about the country Well done Cape Town I am coming home I am coming home Now I can see There is help I'm in Australia I'm going back home👌👌😥😪😪👏👏👏

[@karabontseki617]

Stay there please you coward. When things got tough you ran, stay there.

[@rdm3373]

Gosh you ex pats are the worst. We get it you hate your country and seeing these CI traitors promoting the end of our country is exciting, but at least you left, if they also hate it they can also leave. A tiny minority of South Africans who support parties who have never received majority support in country do not get to solely decide on the end of the republic.

[@karooeagle]

Free the Cape. The Cape must secede.

[@johnkelly3886]

Since the DA cannot supply CT with potable water, are they capable of being an independent country.

[@rockrabbit253]

CT never ran out of water and now the dams are overflowing. What are you smoking ?

[@johnkelly3886]

@@rockrabbit253 The question is not should the WC become independent. The question is will the black majority exterminate us whites. My advice is shut the f*ck up and lie low.

[@rockrabbit253]

@@johnkelly3886 Coming from someone that doesn't know shit , I won't be taking your advice.

[@roybean7166]

@@rockrabbit253 Civil war will ensure.

[@patrickskosanajabu4412]

​@RockRabbit true cape town had water crisis. Stop being ridiculous you embarrass yourself.

[@Homoprimatesapiens]

If only the liberal section of S.A. could have listen to the conservative section prior 1994, then all these political gymnastics shouldnt be neccessary to escape the sinking ship.

[@pietervnv]

I am glad to see there is a initiative like this. How will the Western Cape prevent the rest of RSA to move to a prospering WC and also break it?

[@bsleds4585]

Boarders same as the last timr

[@charlesscott4722]

@@bsleds4585 where will they get the money to built a fence for thousands of kilometres and to patrol it?

[@zebmakotoko658]

This year I have to dissolve that Orania boer location which gives European funny ideas like those of Jan Van Reebeck as he beguiled away the time by looking over the ramparts of his little fort.

[@MARINA4163]

Why is he hiding his background? Where was he born? Where educated. Where was he employed before coming to SA? Where does he get his funding? Why the crib on the Scottish flag? This man needs a deep dive into his background.

[@letletlebogatsu3436]

Small can be better, but secession is no easy task.

[@MARINA4163]

The constitution is a matter for ALL South Africa. This man is very slick. The interview is toothless. Why not ask the difficult questions?

[@gazesalso645]

Some big questions here regarding the practicality of this. Presumably any move to leave SA would take some time and won't be easy to pull off. But also I'm wondering, given the brexit experience, if the general population would be able to make a wise decision.

[@rockrabbit253]

I think by the time they got enough support and went through the legal processes , the ANC will have lost power and the reason for secession will have faded away.

[@roybean7166]

This will just be a disaster.

[@MichaelIngram-i4y]

What is this new country going to be called?

[@rdm3373]

Traitors republic probably.

[@kes136]

NEVER IN SOUTH AFRICA!!!!

[@karthi7016]

Explaine how this is legally possible?

[@gracefilled8335]

Someone from the UK calling for cape independence,black people we really need to wake up

[@lovenevergivesup3145]

It seems the Cape colony and Boer republics are coming back to life ,sadly the one man in this project asking independence is a Britt ! The flag stinks ! something fishy here !!!

[@marcusmoonstein242]

It doesn't matter what the outcome of any referendum might be. The ANC would send in the military before it allows the WC to succeed.

[@gregorydesleskine3413]

An independent WC will have the backing of the United Nations. I certainly doubt that the ANC would not like to fight against the UN like the NATS did.

[@rockrabbit253]

ADT and the neighbourhood/farm watches will send the overweight army packing.

[@roybean7166]

@@rockrabbit253 And all the armies from Africa will be here as well. Never thought of that ? Think carefully about this crazy idea , it will destroy us all.

[@rockrabbit253]

@@roybean7166 Nambia , Botswana , Lesotho , eSwati and Mozmbique couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. Zim has too many problems of their own to worry about SA , as does the rest of Africa. Maybe they'll send they Cubans again. You worry too much.

[@roybean7166]

@@rockrabbit253 how old are you ? And where do you live ?

[@erichpizer1]

Wc can be a catalyst for the whole of SA and Africa.

[@LungileGushman]

So this depends on Da waw

[@supermanonemillion7222]

*Why not do that' to every province*

[@Maria63756]

We need a referendum in the whole of South Africa 🇿🇦 i will vote no iam against Cape Independence

[@willemjoubert3662]

The quicker the better. The Cape will become the richest place on the planet. Even better than Singapore.

[@badge5575]

So we can become like Scandinavian countrys

[@roybean7166]

You mean the poorest place. The whole idea is a disaster.

[@charlesscott4722]

Singapore sits on a strategic trading route buddy. What strategic position does Western Cape have?

[@roybean7166]

@@charlesscott4722 western cape has no strategic position whatsoever. It is actually a poor place, with great poverty, interspersed with a ( fair ) amount of greatly wealthy people. This is the people who want this independence, a stupid idea, that can only come back to bite us white people who want to live here. This story about Singapore, no taxes , homes for all, etc, etc, these are pie in the sky ideas.

[@willemjoubert3662]

@@charlesscott4722 OK. Then where do we get the money from now to live better than under possible independence?

[@samikita1427]

Free Western Cap 💪💪💪👏

[@OfficialWooIsrael144]

How y'all goin to make a country for y'all selves in someone's else home Land.?

[@louwerasmus5395]

PHIL you know the ULA / UCS is the only organisation that used the Insternasional route. Why not throw your weight in and help the UCS.

[@kes136]

He is not even South African. As a nation in diversity & racial harmony, we have come a long way from a past we don't want to repeat. This is against Mandelas vision. Capetown will forever be South Africa. Only strong people can integrate. Weak people divide!

[@ebenezervanderwalt1271]

Amen thank you

[@aboubakrkriel2944]

I am all for Cape independence

[@tbphillips9649]

Stfu there will be no cape independence

[@rushmore100]

This guy is clearly a marketing expert. I hope the podcast fires into the claims in a more aggressive manner.

[@GodfreyFortuin-ib3ml]

Cape independence is not a new idea it was once initiated by Verwoerd as a coloured homeland of course he stopped short of including Capetown in the deal.Let us be honest although the coloured people are more South African than any other group they are now a thorn in the side of the ANC with its africanist policies.The coloured people consisting of Christian and Moslems have lived with the whites for 350years.We have intermarried with each other DNA tests prove this.We speak the same language,we coloured were the first to seek translation of books into Afrikaans, We share the same culture ethics and religion.We believe in meritocracy ,we do not believe in discrimination in quotas,race race classification BEE and all the other policies.The constant blaming apartheid whilst corruption greed and neglect can be directly attributable to the government

[@joeredemption84]

886 000?

[@agrid2608]

No, 886 people. They polled 886 people and only people on landlines. What people do you know who still have landlines in this day and age?

[@biladam1165]

Free western cape ✌🏻

[@mdralo6361]

HE MUST GO BACK TO HIS JAN VAN RIEBEECK GENEALOGY PERIOD!

[@ronewamphahlele6191]

If you want to leave,leave

[@mountainman9145]

The Boris Johnson of South Africa.😉

[@Bigzzzzzzz]

British accent😳

[@tshepishochuene1280]

You forgot to include the demographics in your title.

[@penwelllanga1677]

Continue dreaming.

[@janvoster3220]

Baie mense Wil maar graag onder die korrupte regering bly. Bang Om Ander kleure aan te trek.

[@thandonhlapo3285]

Great making it easier for us Africans to roll out the final solution for these minorities

[@TheIncredibleMrG777]

😳 I suppose, at least you’re honest.

[@bsleds4585]

Final solution realy wtf is wrong with you

[@rockrabbit253]

Sure , like the arabs did to the Jews. Whoops , that didn't work to well and now Israel has twice as much territory than when they started.

[@No--nkk]

​@@bsleds4585nothing, the final solutions should have happened with Mandela.

[@RaedanWulfe]

Wtf... where did this Nigel Farage wannabe pop out from? The combination of that flag, accent and message has got to be some kind of parody... if not, this is actually rather offensive.

[@deviant987]

What the cANCer party has done to this country seems a bit more offensive mate, at least this gives people options.

[@bsleds4585]

Do it

[@sabelodlamini5590]

Phil is not a South African

[@heinvanvlastuin4954]

Bizarre talks.

[@njabulozikhali4966]

Have you consulted us the Zulus, bcos your dream sounds like you are smoking Nyawope, Wunga or gudu😡😤😡😤 will never ever happen in the country we died for 😤😡

[@asia9547]

So while the notion of having a referendum itself is interesting according to the poll let's theorise on something. Suppose the vote is a resounding yes then what do you think the current dictators will simply say ok you can go and play with your own friends now and we with ours. This will never happen dictators never ever give up power willingly history proves this. The only way out of this mess is independence based on the Swiss government model no federalism independence total and complete. The DA will not support this either its not in their interest the days of kings and queens ruling the people is over. So what's the solution. Well check out the ulacongress and make up your own mind.