Is Capricious Hellraiser Good, Actually? | Standard Magic: the Gathering (MTG)

[@natejablonski]

"We don't have the colors for Atraxa" as he cycles a Jetmir's Garden by sacrificing treasure

[@cuddlequeen3225]

Lohl

[@S4DC4T]

LMFAO

[@dragaunas]

Surprised that unlicensed hearse is not in the main deck as a way to exile lands from your graveyard to improve your chances of getting a good spell

[@CMClaudio1989]

I was thinking of the lion's sash

[@brushwagg7735]

@@CMClaudio1989 Hearse is more mana efficient. Especially if you need RRR to get going.

[@dragaunas]

@@CMClaudio1989 i forgot about lion sash, it is not as mana efficient but has the upside of being a mana dump

[@provostparkpass]

Hello everyone it's Seth probably better known as Saffron "He'll tear your soul apart" Olive

[@brossjackson]

Ruler of the Sethobites, summoned by a puzzle booster box

[@keinishikawa4159]

It's always great seeing one of my favorite KZbinr commenting on another favorite KZbinr's video. 🤩

[@FrankDTank16]

I'm pretty sure you punted almost every atraxa. You should be able to select a creature as well as an artifact creature. Multiple times you selected either an artifact or a creature.

[@brushwagg7735]

Hey, it’s not like the button and all the card outlines are a cool, muted blue before you make all possible selections and turn bright, glowing orange after you’ve finished.

[@petrsevcik5044]

You mean that "creature" is also a card type? :D

[@MTGGoldfish]

Apparently Atraxa is good enough you can not choose a creature and still win!

[@dracish123456789]

forgot the scrap with atraxia at the mid point. You can take an artifact and a creature. So many times. Even if you don't understand the card a blue glowy option means you can select it

[@vexion42]

Not even the worst... @45:18 Seth didn't take a Portal to Phyrexia because he just saw Cityscape Leveler with Portal and Mightstone and Weakstone as "all of our big artifacts." So he *only* took Cityscape Leveler. :(

[@henrye3935]

@@vexion42 lol literally just noticed this, paused and rewound, then came to the comments to see if I missed something.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Huh, I'll have to look for the glowy blue next time :)

[@jekanyika]

Jace was not popular during previews but now it's in quite a lot of decks, and Seth seem to rate it pretty highly.

[@beeaggro2593]

Hellraiser too. A lot of big meta decks are just running either of them

[@12triproberts]

I like this deck because it's almost a weird kinda budget if you've been on Arena for a while. It's like a trade-binder deck in that the one or two-of power cards might already be in your collection from random packs.

[@richardmoneypenny4159]

I built this deck and it is amazing. I have some really good matches under my belt and have found several strategies to win. Mill with Jace, copy a lot of the mirror breaker, beat them to death with creatures, and/or control the field and take their creatures with portal. I made some changes to the deck. I do not like Might Stone and Weak Stone in the deck. More times then not, as in your video, it seems like you are holding it. I switched that for a Nahiri. I feel like she brings more utility to the table, and she can bring back a Hellraiser from the yard to get another activation and damage.

[@jeremysmith4620]

I've been playing mono R Hellraiser with Portal and it is so fun. Even when you yank a free removal spell or Koth it still feels real nice. It is just feels good to play, like a slot machine that can kill your opponents, what's not to love? Keeps standard grinding from getting dull.

[@billyallen6357]

Played against a Hellraiser deck in explorer when the set first came out and it blew my mind! I think it's a pretty solid card. The fact you made it viable in a set with a significantly less card pool is impressive

[@clvssi]

When I saw hellraiser I tried to make a deck that could control what is brought back, and I think I did pretty good

[@jasondeerman4647]

I would love to see Seth at the pro tour, playing stuff like this.

[@Level_1_Frog]

YOU OPENED THE BOX (of Phyrexia: All Will Be One) AND WE CAME!

[@thecrazycapn]

If you have an empty graveyard, you could always ult the Jace for mill 15, then have it be the card you Hellraiser back for another mill 15.

[@Schpacky]

Great stuff Seth! Love you man keep up the great content!

[@kithkindeck]

.Intro edit game is ON POINT as usual.

[@jrjamesson]

I admire you steadfastly sticking by "brother's-hood end"

[@bigtimetimmyjim6486]

The third win was really impressive, I really like the concept of that WG Norn deck, but its incremental value just could not keep up when you got Hellraisers.

[@justinmiller483]

An old rock song came to mind while watching this: Raise a Little Hell by the band Trooper :D Hellraiser is 100% gas in the right deck

[@LadyMapi]

I had to pause on the first game, because *come on, Seth*. Why did you pitch two lands when you could've pitched a land and The Eternal Wanderer? EDIT: I feel like building around using Capricious Hellraiser's ETB to cheat out big stuff is a bit of a trap (as awesome trap, but still a trap). A 4/4 flyer that recasts an Abrade/Big Score/Reflections for RRR is an absurd midrange card.

[@funkydiscogod]

I think it might have a home in Modern or Historic, with Ephemerate. I know Modern decks can easily get 9 cards in the graveyard by turn 4. Then, you cast it for the discount with 9 cards in the yard. It exiles 3. Ephemerate it to exile 3 more. On the Rebound, it'll exile the final 3 cards from your graveyard.

[@lamiaprincess6371]

This is certainly the most exciting way to play it, but yeah, it is probably better in a Grixis Shell or a Jund shell where its flinging removal spells and Unleash the Infernos / Invoke Despairs.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Yeah, that was one of my takeaways too. Even if your just recasting a random removal spell or Fable or whatever Hellraiser is pretty absurd.

[@LadyMapi]

@@MTGGoldfish Yeah, it's weird to me that we've been so poisoned by FIRE designs that a 4/4 flyer for 6 that can pretty reliably cost 3 less AND draws/casts a spell from your graveyard seems mediocre at first glance.

[@Small_Panda]

Seth just so you can understand how it atraxa works going forward When you get Cityscape leveler and portal to pharexia you can grab them both As cityscape leveler can be your creature and portal feraxia can be your Artifact

[@Atmapalazzo]

well another deck running eternal wanderer means it's time for my favorite drinking game: take a shot every time when farewell would have been a better card to have.

[@AlexGasol]

Man your opening are getting better an better 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻

[@latinkingzgl]

Missed creature off Atraxa at 33:25

[@latinkingzgl]

45:32 missed artifact off Atraxa Just a tip guys. If the SUBMIT button from Atraxa is blue instead of gold, you still have more targets to select

[@latinkingzgl]

56:00 Missed artifact off Atraxa

[@MaxMckayful]

I hope one day MtGGoldfish can send Seth to compete in and do a vlog about Infamous Small Japanese Tournament

[@franksmith8298]

Ah the sweetest words in all of Against The Odds history: "SMALL JAPANESE TOURNAMENT" ❤️❤️❤️

[@cris7468]

31:04 reaction was great xD

[@Temurmemer]

The jund hellraiser list with 4 jund charms and 4 invokes looked interesting

[@dylanmiley5642]

Not super familiar w/ the meta in any format much less standard, but i really enjoy Seth's videos. Wondering to what degree Seth's decks + gameplay influence the kinds of decks played

[@kirillm2517]

"Platinum/Mythic Ranked Player" was Seth all along O.o

[@ernestosalinas1091]

Seriously Atraxa should have an Arena special animation!!

[@Randomperson-pk3ce]

At the 20ish minute mark, couldn’t you have discarded the cityscape leveler, and then attack for lethal by unearthing it?

[@malcomchase9777]

Is it me, or does Seth never actually stop himself from taking both an artifact and an artifact creature with Atraxa?

[@andymccoy8393]

My favorite part was when Seth went “opponent has three cards in hand” when the opponent had four

[@MTGGoldfish]

Anything over three is a million :)

[@VerlorentheLost]

@@MTGGoldfish hrair, perhaps?

[@LolaliciousSmiley]

Hello. Will you guys be posting any novel budget stuff for this season? Thanks for the cool videos.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Yeah! The last couple of weeks have been strange, but budget magic returns Monday!

[@LolaliciousSmiley]

@@MTGGoldfish I'm looking forward to it! P.S. You gotta try a Mandible Justiciar unearth budget standard build. It's fun when you can force them into chumping your 6/5 lifelinker with their Sheoldred. I think at the very least it would make good content. Thanks for the response and be well!

[@beanthebuilder]

Hellraiser + instant speed Delve in Pioneer gives you the best of both worlds, at the cost of a messy decklist

[@MateoByrd-kg9rf]

Watching this from the future, could collecting evidence turn this into an actually good combo? Cheap hell raiser and then exile away the chaff at instant speed

[@moonbar_]

Wouldn't Brotherhood's End on the destroy artifacts mode worked well enough in M1G1?

[@jamescooley5241]

I think skitterbeam has 9 cmc and so do the copies

[@moonbar_]

@@jamescooley5241 I forgot about the copies keeping their mana cost yeah

[@jackl8025]

56:03 Seth only draw 4 off Atraxa when he could have drawn 5. Scrapwork Mutt counts as a creature, so he could have drawn the Portal to Phyrexia too. Not sure if it's technically incorrect since Hellraiser cares about graveyard. either way, Arena shows you how many you can choose at the top of the screen

[@ADudeWhoExperiences1393]

He does this like 3 times... almost everytime atraxa resolves 😂

[@sveltemax3606]

Sure are a lot of folks sprinting to the comments to feel superior over Seth about Atraxa misplays on a video where he 5-0ed Deck looks sweet! I'm a pretty big fan of anything that's running Multiverse, I've been pretty impressed with it

[@swampybwoy]

Imagine winning after playing 2 fables on to an empty board 😜

[@Oceanz08]

still remember when Seth said jace was one of the worst rares in the set LOL

[@MTGGoldfish]

In hindsight I might have been a bit harsh Jace.

[@Denjia]

At 45:00 you could have also grabbed a portal because leveler is a creature 😔

[@ColemanYoutube]

Wohoo challenge unlocked I made a Goldfish video. Too bad I lost 😞

[@daviddent5662]

It seems there's two forge dergs that are good for a variety of high risk strategy they also kind of work together if you play pure artifact build. Do you think Hellraiser is good with renimator strats like Prototype or is it just too high a chance of a whiff?

[@egon4564]

Any chance we could see a historic version of this deck?

[@3rdtimesacharm84]

33:28 - Can anyone tell me if there is a reason not to put the mutt into hand for the "Creature" card type?

[@MTGGoldfish]

It was just a punt on my part. I was thinking we already had taken an artifact, but missed the fact that we could take it as a creature.

[@3rdtimesacharm84]

@@MTGGoldfish ahh ok! I was trying to wrap my head around maybe playing around the card size in hand LOL 😂

[@TheMegaMagikarp]

Is there an effect in all of Magic that gives your spells Delve? There's that enchantment from Ikoria that pseudo-gives delve but that doesn't work with this card I don't think?

[@natejablonski]

That card (Titans' Nest) is the only one I can find, and it's a "fixed" version of delve. Still can be made broken, but I don't think this would be a shell for it even if it was still in Standard.

[@NMS127]

Titans' Nest seems to work, in the sense that you can exile all the cards you don't want to hit from your graveyard and use the mana to pay the generic part of Hellraiser's cost. The mana is a bit rough, with UBG followed by RRR.

[@jekanyika]

21:33 What a sad Farewell

[@adamtobiasz8793]

Dear brother Set, I don't like your dog because it bites and I hate dogs. Second a good video but the deck is way too expensive. I don't 500$ to spend because food is expensive.

[@TheREALTheRealAdam]

Have you considered muting voices in Arena's setting? Hearing planeswalker lines awkwardly cutting out makes the editor cuts extra obvious.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Yeah, maybe I'll mute the voice lines. I think the sound effects add a bit to the video, but voice lines being cut off awkwardly isn't great.

[@EmilRyb]

Can you please make a gleeful demolition modern deck

[@MTGGoldfish]

It's coming up soon for Budget Magic ;)

[@mateuszlenart2186]

My heart is bleeding after watch how atraxa resolves

[@xenochronos1587]

is there a specific reason why you don't choose an artifact and an artifactCREATURE with the atraxa trigger?

[@Linky609]

Wizards has printed way too many cheese reanimator effects the last few years.

[@ther3aper561]

Idk if saf realizes he can take an artifact creature AND artifact with Atraxa? Multiple times he skipped over one or the other

[@ther3aper561]

Then again I guess it's possible he chose not to because he'd have to discard after?

[@HurricaneGregor]

@@ther3aper561 Nah, he definitely thought he couldn't pick them. What makes it crazy is that the interface really points it out as well. Choose X cards in big letters, grays out cards after you've picked one of a type, keeps everything else highlighted, tells you how many you've chosen as a button... lol

[@lordmeep5803]

Here for the real title of raising hell in standard, so sad it got changed lol

[@charlied8284]

Punt McPunterson at it again

[@Skibby22]

Cool Hellraiser list! But no Arcane Bombardment?

[@TheHuktuk]

how does hellraiser work in paper, the random graveyard part seems to force you to shuffle your grave but this action alone feels weird to me, anyone else ?

[@natejablonski]

I recommend using a random number generator or rolling a die. Shuffling it can technically be a rules violation if the remaining cards aren't returned in the right order. It probably doesn't matter in Standard, Pioneer, or Modern, but it is a bigger concern in older formats.

[@NMS127]

@@natejablonski According to the tournament rules, you can reorder your graveyard if you're playing a format that doesn't include cards from Urza's Saga or later. It also seems fine in casual as long as no one is playing graveyard order matters cards. But yes, you can't shuffle your graveyard in Legacy or Vintage.

[@natejablonski]

@@NMS127 that makes more sense. Thanks for the clarification.

[@jamesrule1338]

We have such cards to show you...

[@chrishoye55]

SETH! BUDDY! YOU CAN GET LEVELER AND PORTAL!!

[@butdoesitscrub3457]

Lol that opening

[@Grimlock2183]

1:05:55 You're gonna WHAT????

[@lonsmithicus]

I hate that they stopped including the secondary number of cards in the normal set-for example 702/300. That is why quit standard-there's no way to tell by looking at a card whether or not it is standard legal. They had never done this in the entire history of magic until just the last couple years and they "wonder why nobody plays standard anymore". -No prize support, no good FNM foils, deleted 25 years of DCI #'s and history for every player on earth, made mythics, made mythics impossible to open in packs to build decks with, banned mythics because they're too good, ignored power creep, built "Challenger decks" to destroy the value of everyones collection and make the format far less creative, removed the complete set booklet from Fat Packs so we don't even know what's in each set, and then added illegal cards to normal packs without including both numbers so that we could tell whether or not it is legal in Standard. I've played since Alpha 1993 GenCon and I'm so upset they deleted my DCI# of 25 years and multiple pro tours. They've ruined magic and even ruined commander which wasn't an easy task. I don't even get excited for new sets anymore or keep track of the 50 thousand plus cards like I used to have memorized because artwork would stay the same. They lost their way of having card art be "Recognizable from accross the room" and they gave up on the LGS and everything that brought the community together. As much as I love magic and it is my career and hobby, I think they deserve to lose to Flesh and Blood and other games that respect their players and community. Sincerely, -Lon Skyler Smith

[@raynmanshorts9275]

Wait, they put Constantine in MTG?

[@Zomburai45]

That's HellBLAZER

[@dracish123456789]

Still here to promote monoMountain gruul.

[@charlied8284]

I think your biggest problem is playing traditional standard instead of best of 1

[@CollanCampbell]

This is a mill deck especially vs control.

[@CyberNewType]

I absolutely LOVE how powerful Atraxa is, even as a one of, after all the hate it got during preview season! Same can be said, to a lesser extent, about Jace. As for game play, you definitely weren’t optimizing your Atraxa picks. And I think your really focusing on Portal to Phyrexia’s killing potential, but over and over again stated that “it doesn’t do much here” and completely forgetting the reanimate ability that works for BOTH graveyards.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Jace is really good in this deck since it can fill our graveyard for Hellraiser. Honestly, one of our best cards.

[@jimthesalad]

Wow Seth, you misplayed even more than usual... :D impressive.

[@rodrigodepaula4198]

Impressive that we went from Jace beeing mediocre to cheer to find it.

[@andrecarneiro1397]

Same cards, same games. Not a brew man

[@brandoncrum5843]

rummage

[@jakesstatefarm]

Have you ever considered not destroying people's ears I'm the first second of the video? It's a pretty consistent nuisance in these videos.

[@MineRoyale.]

I despise Hellraiser. Not because the card is truly awful, but because it's really mediocre and people seem to unwaveringly think the card can be good. If cast for 3 mana, you're really likely to whiff (on lands, or enablers to fill the graveyard) if cast for six mana, it's really unexciting. Ergo, it's just never really all that good.

[@scootermcg9910]

the amount of land draw in match 1 game 1 was insane....i swear fhe randomness of arena doesn't work properly.

[@Zomburai45]

True randomness guarantees some games you'll have games where you're flooded out or completely screwed If you got the appropriate ratio of lands to nonlands every game with only a little variation, that would be nonrandom

[@DefinitelyDave]

Meow

[@UTUB2kholle]

(just putting this here: I still hate these kind of intros, I don't find them funny. But I especially dislike them when they star a strident noise like this one) Ok back to the video now :p

[@nickschneider5091]

First comment?

[@s0ulcancer]

Do you think a combo would work, where we cast Hellraiser for it's reduced cost and with it's ETB trigger on the stack use some instant speed activated ability (or spell) to empty our graveyard of undesirable cards?

[@ADudeWhoExperiences1393]

Could use the hearse in standard to get two undesirables. Turn the earthworks well too. In eternal formats there is grave consequences, flash if insight, crypt incursion, dig through time which seems nuts since you can hit it again and cast for free.

[@BeCurieUs]

bomb.deck