Is CHAdeMO Dead? (And Should You Try To Avoid CHAdeMO Cars?)

[@transportevolved]

Thank you to the CHAdeMO Association, which contacted us following this video, for providing the following correction: “CHAdeMO is the only 'standardised' V2X protocol with certification tests defined and various products in the market. [CHAdeMO] products with 'proprietary' [technologies] came 2011-2012 but to the best of our knowledge, that's where CCS is today. The CCS communication protocol will be published only in Q1/2022, after which time they will define the hardware and software requirements, then the testing procedure. Please do not confuse some companies coming out with V2X-capable cars (with non-standardised protocol) with having a standardised (and certifiable) solution.[...] Defining those requirements and ensuring [interoperability] can take as long as 4-5 years but we, as always, welcome other technologies to join the party. [...] our purpose is to advance electromobility and to achieve environmental goals - that is, reducing GHG emissions and achieving carbon neutrality - and not winning (or losing if you prefer) the plug war. Our heart is with those with the same goals, and we wish to provide a reliable, safe, simple solution that works in any part of the world”

[@blackbeauty206]

We love it When they hear an online influencer

[@stevewausa]

It is time for Nissan to design a retrofit kit for their LEAF customers to convert their cars to CCS. They will have to have the hardware developed for the Aryia anyway.

[@petertraveller6421]

It's already available from 3rd party, not from Nissan.

[@fabiogalletti8616]

@@petertraveller6421 I'm pretty sure here in Europe Nissan will roll out a CCS-compatible LEAF soon. EU forced even Tesla to put CCS on car and chargers, Nissan kind of got a "grace period" to continue sell this gen CHAdeMO LEAFs as a revamp next model is going to appear soon with CCS for EU market. Would be uneconomical to reengeneer current LEAF in production, when they are engeneering a better one, so they got some permit.

[@JP-sw5ho]

@@petertraveller6421 is this true? Do you have a link for it ?

[@petertraveller6421]

@@JP-sw5ho next week they will do first customer car, so available soon. At least in the pic e-nv200 charging 91kw.

[@OenkePoenke]

@@fabiogalletti8616 not true. Tesla went to CCS in EU, because their SuperCharger port in EU was Type2-DC (as opposed to their own US design, in Europe Type2 was chosen, because it also supports europe's very common 3-phase AC-charging, which isn't possible with Tesla's US SC connector - and Type2 standard also supportet DC from the beginning, which was only used by Tesla), which they couldn't pimp to support SC3 speeds (let alone beyond), because the contacts/leads can't be scaled. Second, Toyota is selling their brand new Lexus UX300e equipped with Chademo in many markets in EU. EU doesn't enforce any standards. Any may be used, as long as they meet ISO safety standards, which Chademo does. France even had a law which enforced at least one Chademo plug per charging park, so even IONITY had to provide one Chademo port at each of them in France. This law was dropped this year, because it doesn't make sense anymore. Everything beyond that is left for the market to regulate. Which it seemingly does.

[@bobwalker7531]

CCS to CHAdoMO converters are now available, expensive at the moment but I will buy one when the price drops. I have no intention of giving up my Nissan Leaf for at least another 5 years.

[@mikeselectricstuff]

Guess which manufacturer put Chademo on a brand new EV released in the UK this year. Lexus. Say no more....

[@matthenley7641]

Well, what would you expect from a Toyota, they don't want to sell EVs and will likely even tank their own sales to try to convince governments they aren't viable.

[@fonkenful]

@@matthenley7641 Well, Hydrogen is their future after all.🤪

[@richard--s]

@@fonkenful that needs 3 times the electricity plug to wheel.

[@douglasalanthompson]

And Xpeng! G3 is Chademo in Europe.

[@bellshooter]

@@fonkenful It is the future.... for long range HGV's.

[@gasdive]

Chademo association is mostly to blame. They made it really expensive to be accredited as chademo, and because it was a club, didn't require compliance with the standard. So the voltage standard wasn't maintained. Which meant that some chademo vehicles couldn't charge at some chargers, despite them both being accredited. It was almost like the standard came from petrol car makers who wanted to delay electrification as long as possible.

[@BixbyConsequence]

Heck, they even wanted you to pay just to get information on what the specification actually was.

[@MichaelEricMenk]

The voltage standard for CHAdeMO was from 50V to 500V, and later from 50V to 1kV, while CCS startes at 200V. 50V would have been nice for LSV and motorcycles &c. But ALL the CHAdeMO charging station that was installed in Norway did not go down to the lowest voltage, only to the lowest CCS voltage. So those bikes some years back with CHAdeMO was dead on arrival due to the chargers could not charge them. G-Wiz / REVAi came out with a updated model, with CHAdeMO. But same problem there. The battery voltage was higher than the CHAdeMO minimum, but lower than the minimum of most CHAdeMO chargers. CHAdeMO shot themselves in the foot.

[@gasdive]

@@MichaelEricMenk even more annoyingly, my Zero could use chademo (except for the fact they can't solve the isolation issue) and all the chademo chargers in Australia go down to 50v, but they won't build them because some don't.

[@wojciechmuras553]

@@MichaelEricMenk Oh, neat. I've always wondered why charging stations had a "50V-500V" marking, when my Leaf would never allow its battery to go under 230V before cutting out.

[@xxwookey]

@@BixbyConsequence Don't you have to pay for the CCS standard too? I've not been able to find details freely online.

[@billh4301]

As someone that talks a lot you do a good job of expressing the information without too much overlap! On my 3rd Nissan leaf, 2020 SL Plus, being on the west coast of California I have had no problems with finding Chademo chargers. Over 40,000 miles on my 3 Leafs and spent less than $100 total for charging.

[@cauthoncrazy]

Woo-hoo! Solar at home?

[@billh4301]

@@cauthoncrazy No, city of San Luis Obispo has free charging at many businesses and post office. And Nissan gave my second Leaf 2 years free charging for traveling, and my 3rd has $250 credit that in 8 months I have only used $35 of!

[@egl8983]

I bought a used 2019 40Kwh Nissan Leaf SV and have used the CHAdeMO connector just once, and that was just to see if it actually worked. The Leaf is our second car for use around our suburban area and for that, J1772 is just fine. We don't use it for long road trips, so we also don't worry about the passive battery cooling. I use the supplied Nissan granny cable at home plugged into a 240V outlet in my garage, and numerous free ChargePoint J1772 connectors around my area to top it off now and then. I agree CCS is the way to go in the future, especially if my primary car was a BEV and used for long trips. Don't shy away from buying a used Leaf as your second car, though, I'm very happy with mine.

[@valderon3692]

As a second car you could buy just about anything. But considering chademo is used for longer trips it's clearly not meant for second cars. Any primary car should avoid chademo. I've been warning people to avoid chademo cars for 3-4 years now.

[@chrisbailey1966]

There will be some significant depreciation for CHAdeMO connector cars when the implications are understood more generally. If you have a good local case use for the car, that's fine, but you may have to keep it for a long time to get good value out of it.

[@lanceareadbhar]

@@chrisbailey1966 That's my plan. The Leaf is not for everyone, but it's a pretty great as the second car in a two car family for commuting and day trips. I have some hope an affordable converter will be available down the line, but am happy with this car regardless.

[@isaachunt5799]

same here. use only the nissan supplied charger. works perfectly. we never fast charge at all. just commuting and shopping use for us

[@christopherhamilton5557]

Super easy, barely an inconvenience! When you know, you KNOW! 😁😁😁👍👍👍👏👏👏

[@HenriZwols]

Maybe someone pitched her a few video ideas?

[@duster497]

Wow wow wow wow wow. Wow!

[@fonkenful]

So, you’ve got a cultural meme reference for me? Yes sir, I do. Cultural meme references are tight

[@christopherhamilton5557]

@@fonkenful hahaha!!! Yeeessss! Love me some “Pitch Meetings!” Thanks for the smile!

[@christopherhamilton5557]

@@HenriZwols 👏👏👏

[@EleanorPeterson]

As a mere pedal cyclist I recharge with a spoon. Sometimes a fork. This is the high-tech hands-free future of bike energy replenishment, because I used to eat with my fingers. [Digital interface; digital into face.]

[@HenriZwols]

And again, the Japanese cyclists use a different, incompatible recharging standard: chopsticks.

[@paintedpony2935]

Luddite

[@skepticalmechanic]

I recharge my Trek ebike with 120volts…

[@BixbyConsequence]

@@HenriZwols Perfect

[@ps.2]

How many miles do you get per charge? I think the most I ever got was about 80. (I did used to take the occasional 175-mile road trip, but you better believe I stopped to charge along the way. Even brought extra fuel with me, in my backpack.)

[@randycarter2001]

This brings up my biggest complaint with SAE. The J1772 standard did not restrict charge port location. So today it's all over the car, front, fender, quarter panel, etc. Thus charging stations require longer cables. You can't design a standard parking stall forcing people to park in various ways, nose in, back in, opposite of traffic flow. Due to the longer cable people don't put the cables away. They are usually left all over the ground. Creating a trip hazard and a liability problem for property owners. Plus making a tempting target for thieves. And the worst is the port on the front fender exposes the connection to damage from passers by. People passing between the parked cars can collide with the cable and break either the cable or the socket. Poorly thought out.

[@Slash1066]

I have a 2015 Outlander PHEV with Chademo and I saw quite a few new chargers going in on a recent trip. Had no problem charging at services on the A1 with Chademo. The plug is big but not a problem with a handle on it, works a treat!

[@ChesterFoster]

Well I saw this video 2 days two late. Just bought a 2020 Nissan leaf 🍃 SV Plus and I love it. I live in a condo with no charger so I EVgo Fast Charge daily for 30 minutes. Much cheaper for me than gas in NY.. but had I seen this video I would have honestly bought a CCS ev instead 😢 (I still love my leaf tho 🎉😂)

[@salamanderpete]

As someone who is considering buying a 24 kWh Leaf, this is really important and excellent content. Thanks!!

[@wobby1516]

It’s tough for those early adopters of EVs with the CHadeMo connection.. However thing improve over time and the CHadeMo plug is a monster! plus the need for a second A/c connection was it’s death nail. As a second car local run around the early leaf is still ok but home charging is the only way.

[@trevorberridge6079]

I never home charge and I drove my 24kw Leaf on an 890 mile round trip to Edinburgh in 2017. It does significantly better than a "local run around". And I should also say that I had not one issue with charging in England or Scotland, even in remote locations.

[@johnafish]

The answers are YES and YES (unless you're in Japan)

[@markthomasson5077]

Excellent info. I was considering a second hand Soul. Being retired, and not time constrained, I can live with multiple charging on a trip. But if there is a gap in charging points it is a no go. Especially as I would aim to have it until it died, hopefully ten years plus.

[@skepticalmechanic]

Sounds like a good game plan…

[@petertraveller6421]

Kia e-niro with 64kwh battery and 7 year/150.000km warranty is great choice if want to keep a car long time.

[@theproffessional9]

Hyundai ioniq Electric is a good choice, it should have CCS charging up to ~60KW and has a better range than the Soul EV (make sure to ignore the hybrid or plug-in hybrid versions)

[@cauthoncrazy]

I have a 2016 Soul EV and love it. Have only spent $148 on DCFC charging since buying it. That being said, if one has the want and ability to spend $25k on a car there are many great CCS optioned cars. I bought my car for $11k and have put 14k miles on it since Jan 2020, so it works perfectly for me. I do a 250 mile round trip a few times a year with no issues. Blessed with great charging infrastructure here in most of Texas.

[@skepticalmechanic]

I have a 2021 Kona EV limited model… getting 5.5 miles per KWh… after all the rebates it set me back $32,000

[@ArielBatista]

I just got a Leaf Plus 3 months ago. It's been a great car. Love it. Now I mostly use the level 2 at home. But do take some long trips. And I am going to say yes sometimes it is harder to find a quick charger. But they are still available. I do hope that someone can make an adapter for us dinosaur 🦕.

[@aniellodimeglio8369]

Same here. I Nissan will make a CHAdeMO to CCS option or help those who want to convert.

[@jimselvy6157]

I got my Leaf over 4 years ago. Planning on selling it soon because Chademo is hard to find when I go long distances. It was my first EV so I didn't understand the limitation.

[@RadioactiveSaddam]

This was a fantastic info-boost for me, great clip! Both interesting and full of great new info.

[@TassieEV]

In Australia where I live just about every charger has both CCS & Chademo available though what issues are encountered unsure. But as we have many grey-imports of Nissan Leafs coming in from Japan it will probably be around here for quite sometime yet. But yes it's Beta vs VHS all over again as you stated, though our teenagers and 20-somethings wouldn't have a clue what that means without looking it up at least.

[@martythemartian99]

So Australia has two charging standards for all three of the electric cars we have in this country ;D

[@valderon3692]

@@martythemartian99 Three, you have tesla there as well.

[@martythemartian99]

@@valderon3692 One system for each car :D

[@moestrei]

@@martythemartian99 My Tesla can charge on all 3 standards plus 22kW max on anything AC. On those Veefils quite often the CCS part is defect but Chademo works ok. And inland it's 22kW at showgrounds, if the council is EV friendly.

[@moestrei]

Those Leafs with their badly degraded batteries are a pest on chargers. But Chademo has an advantage / disadvantage: Everybody can disconnect them because different to CCS it is not the car which locks the connecor but a button on the connector itself.

[@davidswan482]

I remember that "Desk Lamp Mac" behind you on the set. :-)

[@thefirstdude]

Nice video. Tesla owner driving in Japan here-I cannot yet go anywhere without that god-awful CHAdeMO adapter. I’m very happy to see NACS on the rise; it’s so simple to use.

[@danielecolombo8702]

Even Nissan wwith aryia Is leaving Chademo in Europe , what i do not understand Is why Leaf Is not moving CCS2 in Europe , coil be success

[@waynelewis9110]

Because the LEAF is a compliance car, so Nissan doesn't really care to innovate when it comes to the LEAF. Still employing an air-cooling system instead of liquid-cooled shows that Nissan does not care for the LEAF beyond compliance and cost reasons.

[@wojciechmuras553]

@@waynelewis9110 Its not a compliance car, it's a pioneer. When it first released, it was a good car. But at over 10 years old at this point, only with a facelift along the way (and a bunch of incremental improvements to the battery), it's definitely time for a new generation - no one will bother to make such huge changes as a new charging system, for a car that's almost out of time. If there's ever a next generation of Leaf, it'll definitely have CCS. And hopefully, liquid battery cooling - another thing that just wasn't thought of in 2010, and can't be added without a complete overhaul of the entire battery, breaking part compatibility... In short, without a new generation.

[@randycarter2001]

I was a a Walmart last week. It had 3 Electrify America dual port DC fast chargers. 5 of the ports were CCS and one was CHAdeMO. This tells me that finding a CHAdeMO is going to get harder in the future.

[@BassPlayerUnderGrace]

It most certainly isn't dead here in Alaska, seeing as Alaska is finally getting DC fast chargers...and the units are dual CHAdeMO / CCS units.

[@gteixeira]

The stations are required by law to accept either.

[@andymccabe6712]

Well, I've still got a mini disc player! And discs...!! And it works .....!!!

[@richard--s]

And it does not need any updates that are unavaible for your specific model ;-) I am referring to smartphones which run into these problems. I have a fully functioning one... well fully functioning is not the correct term, because it's 10 years old and got no updates lately ;-) But it's still working, the battery is still good, it's a bit slow, the screen resolution is not as good, but every bit of hardware is still working and it looks like new... But it's scrap because it does not get any updates and some apps can't connect to their server any more and these apps can't be updated any more and it has never been supported by third party open source systems... It was too much of a niche product (XCover2 or even the beam phone, the projector phone). I learned from that. Never buy a short lived niche product. And if you need such a thing, buy a mainstream product and you will get updates for years even from the manufacturer (Galaxy non-A for example).

[@richardmccutcheon9319]

Thanks for the helpful depreciation of my Leaf. Very kind. You will have noticed that Gridserve in the UK, are installing Chdemo points in the upgrading of there network. I applaud them for that. Goodbye and goodri…..Dale Vince.

[@richard--s]

In continental Europe Chademo is starving. The big charging metworks install only CCS stations, but yes, there often still is one triple charger with CCS, Chademo and 43kW Type2. So if no plugin hybrid is "parking" there for hours on the CCS plug, then the Chademo plug might be available if the charger is not broken. The next one is around 50km away (let's say 30 miles).

[@Greggory1987]

Excellent video! I have only owned Tesla's for EV's and I don't know anything about Chademo. However, the charger looks looks so heavy and large.

[@2LegHumanist]

Where I live (Ireland) Chademo is king. There are still places where the only option is Chademo and Chademo chargers outnumber CCS. What's dead is FastAC. Triple units are being replaced by double units with Chademo and CCS. Zoe drivers are limited to 22kw.

[@adamtwatson1977]

I literally cancelled my leaf order (from work) in northern Ireland after seeing this - I am an electronics engineer who should have know better!

[@avidviewer1]

I love your channel and have learned so much from it, but panic overcame me when in this video you mentioned that CHAdeMO *was* found in the Peugeot iON. I immediately checked my lovely little iON and discovered it still has its CHAdeMO connector in place. Oh, the joy of being able to breathe again, and the paramedics were cancelled. All's well and please keep up the good work. Thanks!

[@miscbits6399]

there's a 3 way bridge installed in BMW i3s and DIYers have managed to use these from junked cars to CCS2 charge Chaedemo cars And of course, in the 2 years since this video was created, American _manufacturers_ have decided to standardise on the Tesla connector

[@johnsamsungs7570]

Rotary dialling phone! I remember phones you had separate speak and hearing pieces and you gave it at the winder a turn to get the light to turn on in the exchange. Where the "Girl" would ask you who you wanted to be put through too! Or if you were really unlucky it was a party line! Oh, what fun the "Good old days were"! Smallpox and Polio, oh the memories!

[@nadiaboulanger9323]

Thank You from the US! Very helpful!

[@stevewausa]

We’ve been betamaxed (and yes I wrote this before you said it as I was watching!)

[@victorseal9047]

In eastern Canada all the multitude of CCS/ChadeMo chargers being installed by Electric Circuit ( Hydro Québec) and Petro Canada are still 50/50 , and they’re all well maintained, though Electrify Canada stations which are now opening up are 6 of one and one of the other.

[@thespiceislife2082]

I prefer the Tesla connector, small & easy to handle. CCS is way too bulky & more difficult for many to plug in properly. The fact that EA will instruct one to support the cable during the handshake process speaks volumes on the bad design.

[@francoisgagne2651]

There are many ChadeMo chargers in Canada 🇨🇦. But, to minimize the charging problem, I opted for the 2024 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV....which comes with ChadeMo and J1772 plugs....

[@rtfazeberdee3519]

Interesting video, Nikki, thanks. I'd definitely consider a Leaf as a 2nd car if i could have V2G installed at home

[@ChrisBigBad]

Yes. Used Leafs with slightly dinged batteries are SUPER cheap. Even with top trim! The Bose sound is really nice :D

[@cauthoncrazy]

I have a 2016 Soul EV and love it. Have only spent $148 on DCFC charging since buying it. That being said, if one has the want and ability to spend $25k on a car there are many great CCS optioned cars. I bought my car for $11k and have put 14k miles on it since Jan 2020, so it works perfectly for me. I do a 250 mile round trip a few times a year with no issues. Blessed with great charging infrastructure here in most of Texas.

[@seybertooth9282]

"It's like Betamax versus VHS all over again" Except this time the better technology won.

[@mikeselectricstuff]

CCS is a terrible standard, poorly defined and using an inappropriate communications protocol, causing numerous compatibility problems. Tesla got it right by combining AC and DC on the same pins.

[@anahatamelodeon]

Not sure about that. Chademo was much more reliable. When CCS first came out, many CCS chargers wouldn't work with some EV models because the protocols were too ill-defined, while you could plug any Chademo car into any Chademo charger and it would just work (unless actually faulty, of course.) Also CCS was not designed for V2x and though it's being extended to do so, it doesn't seem to be an easy task.

[@skepticalmechanic]

Yea… Beta max was much better… but in the end none of them survived….

[@phillyphil1513]

D.A.T. Tape...!!! #SONY

[@seybertooth9282]

@@mikeselectricstuff "causing numerous compatibility problems" I've never experienced or heard of anyone experiencing a CCS compatibility problem. Then again, that's in Europe, maybe there are some problems in the US (wouldn't surprise me). In that case I believe they are caused by not manufacturers following the standard rather than a problem with the standard. "CCS is a terrible standard, poorly defined and using an inappropriate communications protocol" Details. Why is it terrible? How is it "poorly defined" and what's "inappropriate" about its protocol? Examples please.

[@chunkybeats79]

I'm watching this video now and Nissan still hasn't done anything about the charging port in the leaf. I did see devs have invented a converter but it's still in beta stage. Nissan are going to have a lot of leafs hanging around in their car yards due to this problem

[@BixbyConsequence]

The writing was on the wall a decade ago when CCS was being drafted. In my opinion it began as a ploy to negate the early-mover advantage of the Japanese makers, but whatever the motivation it has certainly won now that the majority of non-Tesla EVs are CCS.

[@robertbennett2796]

There more CCS where i am than the Nissan charger

[@CaroAbebe]

And in Europe, even the Teslas are CCS, as Nikki has mentioned.

[@g0fvt]

Thank you for this video. I have had a long term fascination with electric cars, and lifetime in electronics. I was aware that there were a number of standards for charging at different power levels but not owning an electric car I was unaware of many of the details. It seems that the obsession with range, 0-60 times has obscured many of the fundamentals to actually using the cars. For much of my recent motoring a short range EV would be fine.

[@innov8ian217]

It is technically possible to covert a Leaf to CCS, and there is at least one company in Europe offering the conversion. Not an easy conversion though, but the very fact that it offered says a lot.

[@wojciechmuras553]

MUXSAN has been working on it for many years now, it's a crazy difficult job. Only this year they managed to get a working test mule!

[@gteixeira]

I don't really see why there would be a significant number of people willing pay for such conversion. It is much cheaper to replace the Leaf for a car with CCS, like a Chevy Spark or a VW e-Golf.

[@innov8ian217]

@@gteixeira Agree. I would not expect many people would do the conversion either, but that someone even looked at doing it says there are people with CHAdeMO wishing they had CCS. I do not think the reverse would be true.

[@gteixeira]

@@innov8ian217 Well, Volkswagen went through the trouble of redesigning the charging port on the e-Golf to sell with CHAdeMO as well, so there are certainly people who prefer CHAdeMO over CCS, typically in Japan. And I know that there are people willing to switch from CHAdeMO to CCS as well, however the most feasible solution would probably be replacing the car. There are still people who don't mind owning a car that does not support CCS, specially in places where there is no CCS public charging stations or people that will exclusivelly charge at home or at work.

[@innov8ian217]

@@gteixeira Yes. Forgot about Japan. But I do regard Japan as an exception. Are there others? Of the usual suspects in following Japan, Korea instead followed the US and I wonder what Taiwan is doing?

[@KalleSWBeck]

I have a 2016 Kia Soul. Decent amount of chargers around here plus it’s so low range I generally don’t take it on trips anyways

[@johnlaws3904]

What about NISSAN LEAF'S built in Sunderland, still fitting CHAdeMO as standard?

[@Shailas.Darkleigh]

Sliding in a reference to Ryan George is Super Easy, Barely an Inconvenience

[@jonwetherell5214]

Here in France the legal requirement to have chademo charging points has been dropped. But the majority of charging points are still AC so for the next few years ( until the DC network expands) nothing really changes.

[@gohumberto]

EVNiculus have brought out a CCS to Chademo adapter. It's very expensive but increases the practicality of older cars like the Nissan LEAF. Nissan should create the same product.

[@robertmiddleswarth4770]

I have had a Nissan Leaf for close to 2 years now. I knew when I bought it the CHAdeMO adaptor was on it way out but I take maybe 1 trip over 2 hours a year max so I figured my 2nd vehicle could be used or I could rent a vehicle on those rear trips. In the close to 2 years I have owned my leaf I have only fast charged twice. The first time was just to test and make sure the port was working so I really only needed to use it once in the dead of winter where I had to make a special trip outside the norm and found myself on the edge of my confront zone and decided to Fast Charge long enough to go to the restroom around 10 min before heading the rest of the way home. As long as you have a decent level 2 charger at home Fast charging in a modern EV is really only needed for trips and most people do those 1 or 2 times a year so it rarely maters what charging standard your vehicle has outside of those pretty rear trips.

[@kimekholm7178]

I'm yet to find a charging station without Chademo here in Finland, IG the fact that the Leaf is close to half of all EVs ever sold here kinda forces them to. Also, most have a 22 kW AC port too, just in case (although installed for PHEVs). I don't think the standard is going anywhere in Europe anytime soon.

[@paulgamester6096]

What PHEV has 22kW AC charging ?

[@kimekholm7178]

@@paulgamester6096 Well, it's possible to implement 22kW AC in PHEVs, of course, most don't because it's expensive and the battery is usually relatively small. Not many EVs can take 22kW AC either, I believe the Renault Zoe is the only one (Tesla at 11-16kW depending on the car).

[@bellshooter]

In the UK the new Gridserve independant and Gridserve Electric Highway are still including Chademo points, with a minimum at EH of one , and at 25-33% depending on point numbers. 1st BTW.

[@mach1nefan]

i wouldn't be surprised if that's because the Leaf is made in England!

[@bellshooter]

@@mach1nefan Nope , it's because there was a user backlash on initial installation that Gridserve took note off and reacted to.

[@RoyDanby]

Well presented information and confirmed my thoughts on avoiding a Chademo charging vehicle.

[@AdrianMcDaid]

I'm happy to see a "standard" easier for all . Welcome this news.

[@chrisheeley9701]

My dad had a Betamax with the camcorder accessory. You would take your Betamax with you in a bag with a strap (it weighed a ton) and plug the camera directly into the Betamax and it would record straight to the tape in the unit... I also had a SCSI zip drive in college.

[@jur4x]

MiniDisc might not be well known even to your generation since it wasn't very common in all markets. I remember someone mentioning it was huge in Japan, well known in Eutope and barely available in the US.

[@Urbanbenelux]

Actually to the South of France you have a huge network of Chademo-only free chargers deployed by Nissan at Ikea, Auchan and municipal locations, and also some regional free charging networks which offer free Chademo charging at 50kW. Lidl was also offering free charging until recently at a huge number of locations in France, you can still charge with them for a low fee. In France, Chademo is your best option for economical driving. If you want to get there faster, Ionity and Superchargers will be happy to charge you for the pleasure, but then again Ryanair would save you an entire day and a lot of depreciation if money is not an issue...

[@desertdan100]

If I own an older leaf how hard is it to adapt or change to CCS

[@s.porter8646]

Time to update, been in Japan since this vid came out, and CHADEMO is still in use

[@Jcewazhere]

The sound of a dot-matrix printer. That was a cool noise, unlike dialup modems that were big around the same time.

[@PetesShredder]

I had a 40kwh leaf, as soon as I saw gridserve in the uk were only putting one chademo in (that is always in use), I sold the leaf, and got a 64kwh kona instead. I have noticed the second hand and new sale value if the leaf drop significantly in last few months. Every time I stop to charge there's a leaf using the single chademo, often with one waiting. I'm glad I made the choice to sell when I did

[@michaelrch]

12:30 guys, you forgot to add the link to the related video ;)

[@Laura-S196]

Forgetting to include a link to a daughter video mentioned in a parent video almost always happens.

[@transportevolved]

Look in the description!

[@wolfman9999999]

As someone who owned a 2019 Nissan LEAF SL Plus for 11 months. Their air cooled battery ended up being more of a problem than the CHAdeMO charge port ended up being. Requiring 20 hours to drive 600 miles thanks to heat throttling the charge rate is unacceptable. We immediately traded it in for a 2020 Chevy Bolt Premier afterwards. Ironically, the following Monday, Nissan announced their own abandonment of CHAdeMO chargers with the Aryia SUV, and finally going to active cooling, instantly devaluing their LEAF by a large margin. We dodged a major bullet getting rid of it when we did.

[@jockmoron]

I have a Leaf 40kWh. Yes, the battery is an issue, but I knew that when I bought the car. I rarely do long journeys and at the time I bought it, there was no government rebate, so it was a better buy compared with other BEVs which cost tens of thousands of dollars more. But it will suffer considerable depreciation on account of the new rebate, and cheaper BEVs like the MG, but so would have my Tesla if I has one. OTOH, if I replace it, the replacement will be cheaper.

[@robertgamble7497]

How difficult, and expensive would it be to change the (outdated) plug in the car with a new plug?

[@davidprescott7463]

As stated in the video it’s not that simple. It’s not just the plug that’s the issue, it’s the communication protocol between the car and a rapid charger that needs to be altered too. But a company called Muxsan in the Netherlands are working on converting CHAdeMO cars to CCS. Also as the video explains, CHAdeMO is easier to implement as it uses the industry standard CANBUS protocol, unlike CCS which has it’s own protocol. CHAdeMO is not outdated, it’s better and more reliable than CCS but sadly manufacturers don’t always go for the best solution. One reason for them to choose CCS over CHAdeMO not mentioned in the video is that car & charger manufacturers have to pay substantial license fees to use CHAdeMO, thus making it more costly than CCS. Unfortunately this seems to be a common problem with Japanese companies, such as Sony who have introduced many physical media formats over the years which have failed because of excessive licensing fees.

[@ericsandberg3167]

Is it possible to retro fit a Chademo car with a CCS plug configuration.....or is their software and sensor wiring involved that makes that impossible....?

[@transportevolved]

Nothing is impossible, but the communication protocol is completely different, making an adapter a much more difficult prospect. - Winter

[@ethanrose1633]

Here in New Zealand we have CHAdeMO chargers everywhere as the market is largely saturated with Leafs however time will tell how long that lasts. As for single point redundancy many of our chargers are just single point chargers so you need to worry about congestion well before redundancy. Let’s hope things improve!

[@susihormon7821]

Lets see what dies first…battery vs Chademo.

[@unclegeorge7845]

Excellent show. Mabey a minute longer on the stills of the villain connector.

[@antoniopalmero4063]

I bought a 40kwh Leaf 3 months ago 🙄. Hope Nissan supply adaptors.

[@anthonyc8499]

Hey Nikki, great info on CHAdeMO history and its future. With the news that West Coast Electric Highway is getting upgraded to CCS and improved to multiple stalls, I'm hoping you guys do a story on it.

[@fabiogalletti8616]

I own a CHAdeMO Peugeout Partner van: it was a kinda of experiment in the Mitsubishi-PSA collab when Peugeout and Citroen sold rebranded MiEV. In essence, is a standard and hyper-common Berlingò/Partner van, with what's basically MiEV technology shoehorned into - japanese plugs and some more batteries (22kWh), but the basics were Mitsubishi tech and production on a EU chassis.

[@trevorberridge6079]

Hi Nikki. Just to point out that I have a 2015 24kw Nissan Leaf and I have always had access to 50kw ChaDeMo charging here in the UK. But, recently I went to Gridserve in Braintree, Essex. There they have a whole bank of ChaDeMo chargers that do 100kw. And Gridserve have installed more high speed ChaDeMo chargers in Rugby. So, please be aware that the main ChaDeMo chargers I use in England are not being phased out but are actually being upgraded in standing locations and rolled out in new locations.

[@richard--s]

In continental Europe it's the other way round. No more new Chademo charges, but new CCS only cites instead.

[@jockmoron]

@@richard--s Main reason for Brexit, obviously....

[@robertjohnson-taylor1938]

Should I panic and cancel my newly ordered Leaf, I’m in the UK,?

[@chibinyra]

I think that is why Zero never offered CHAdeMO and their smaller batteries and overhead could not take the lack of standard reliability. But they do provide a very high power DC plug if you have enough amps in your breaker box

[@Mattstech12]

I absolutely loved the intro, and I feel old as well. :-)

[@jockmoron]

I live in NZ. About two thirds of BEV registered in NZ are used imports from Japan - most are Nissan Leafs. I have a used import from the UK, another source of BEVs. The majority of our BEV fleet then uses Chademo. The used vehicle market from Japan will not stop, as successive governments have been happy to for people to buy these cheaper cars. So it is likely here that Chademo will continue to play a part in the NZ charging scene for quite a long time as newer models trickle down to the s/h market there and find their way to NZ.

[@buixote]

Love the "toadstool" iMac... too bad innovative designs like that have been abandoned for "let's make it as thin as possible, gluing everything together so it's unserviceable. In our longer distance travels, it's mainly *finding* the stations... we don't need fast-charging that often, or vary our routes much, but can imagine that if we *did*, it would be a headache. I think in those instances, you'd be better off with a Tesla...

[@BixbyConsequence]

The swivel on that iMac was some lovely engineering. I bought one for my wife and shoehorned a big (for the time) hard drive into it for a super jukebox.

[@Sailorman6996]

So has CCS charging standard V2H, V2G or V2L capabilities? If so does the home wall connector cost 10 000€?

[@chrisb508]

I recently bought a BMW i3 which came with CCS. I didn't pick the car for that reason, but I'm glad now that it has CCS and not CHAdeMo. Dumb luck shined on me again.

[@stephenlinden8717]

Just about to change my Leaf and I've been offered a Leaf+ but that's still chademo. Hoping this won't be the case in the UK but at all motorway stations there is one chademo (with a CCS connector too) and a number of CCS ones. The last few trips I've had involved long waits to use the chademo because someone was connected to the CCS, even if the other charger(s) was free. Need to seriously think about what I do but as I have only 2 months to replace the car it might mean a chademo and reduced options.

[@e-redj]

The end of CHAdeMO in Europe and the US is and old story, or at least you could foresee it a long way ago. The majority of the car companies back then decided to go CCS (with its 2variants), and it was better than every company having its own plug. Now we are moving to 3 charging standards worldwide, which is much better than the headaches the company have with petrol filler necks worldwide. Have seen something about 50 different petrol and diesel nozzles and the OEMs have check them all if they want to sell the cars worldwide.

[@HenriZwols]

Moving to 3 charging standards? Which 3?

[@e-redj]

@@HenriZwols In Europe, CCS2 in the Northern American continent CCS1 and in the Asian countries CHAdeMO and GB/T will fusion to a new standard that will be used in China /Japan and maybe the rest of the south Eastern Asia. I think those three will spread all around the world.

[@John.0z]

PCMCIA cards anyone? Bubble memory? Drum storage? There is trouble to be found both as an early adopter.. and as a person who has some sort of old technology that is now obsolescent. The biggest problem is when you are sold a "new" product that includes old technology.

[@richard--s]

Yes, there are new Leafs for sale ;-) That's one example for the things you mentioned... At least it is outdated in some big markets, but not everywhere... But in those big markets it's outdated - just because of Chademo.

[@RMTFamily]

As owner of multiple EV's I prefer the ChadeMo over the CCS. Both are large and inconvenient to handle but the round design of the ChadeMo makes it easy to plug and unplug unlike the odd shaped CCS that you have to wiggle to plug and unplug which is not good for the contacts inside the plug. Both require two hands to handle and my wife has struggled mainly with the CCS to plug in. The easiest to use is definitely the Tesla plug. It's the smallest and can be plugged and unplugged single handed. Along with the powered charge door, press button on plug to open and it will close itself after unplugging, it is truly a one handed usable plug. And it's always the same plug no matter if DC or AC charging. This should be the standard for all cars.

[@neuromancer692]

Man you guys really need to hit the gym once or twice. Not being able to handle a CCS plug with one hand is quite worrisome actually.

[@enzodarro179]

WOW so much info and it's only the plug

[@FutureReverberations]

You may feel old Nikki, but you're not!!! You're in your prime!!! EDIT: The prime of miss Nikki! :)

[@MrKeke2502]

When EU regulations imposed CCS back in 2014 as the de facto standard, France implemented the rule with a 10 year grace period making it mandatory to have at least 1 CHAdeMO head per charging station open to the public. Businesses are exempt from this as well as Tesla SuC because they are not open to the public. This may cause Tesla to delay the opening of its network in France until 2024 or they will most likely find a workaround

[@davidjohnston4240]

The Eugene Tesla supercharger was out of service yesterday (Aug 16, 2021). It's a long stretch from Medford to Salem. So redundancy failures happen to us all. I got to Salem in a model 3 long-range with 11% to spare after charging to full. A standard range or P60 model S would be out of luck. Thank goodness I have a ChaDeMo adaptor in the frunk.

[@maryannrondinella5680]

I have never ever used the CHAdeMO port on my 2012 Nissan LEAF SEL, an option that cost extra. I purchased it brand new in Colorado and never found a charging station that offered one. I still own the car and charge it overnight using my granny cable and the 110 outlet in my Florida garage and occasionally the free 220 v Level 2 charger in a local city parking garage (adds about 20 miles of range in an hour.) This is strictly my local running errands car. Nissan never advertised it as anything else. I love this car. When it dies, I will probably replace it with a Hyundai EV.

[@kylemunley]

I bought a secondhand Kia Soul EV with the idea that in 4-5 years, I'll trade it in and upgrade to a longer range vehicle for EXACTLY this reason. I wanted to go electric, but understood that later gen versions would benefit from advances and standardization that had yet to play out. I do not regret my decision. My home 220V charger will do for a bit longer. I just hope that this will settle on one standard and we won't go through this every ten years.

[@ram64man]

With my experience chadamo was the more robust standard, the times I have gone to a first gen ccs only to find it won’t connect or been somehow damaged , even second gen platforms especially new releases still have connection issues months after launch I still have headaches using my dads id4 when I get back to England with the electric highway equivalent, even here in America 250 ccs stations are really still working out the bugs around my area or have transformer issues especially in the heat

[@steveharvey2001]

If your CCS experience was from Ecotricity Electric Highway, you will get the impression that Chademo is more reliable, because their attempt retrofit CCS to their [Nissan financed] DBT chargers was a disaster...

[@skepticalmechanic]

Another excellent video… thank you very much!

[@lawrencetaylor4101]

I've seen the writing on the wall in W Switzerland. My Nissan garage invested to be in the forefront of EV, and they were left to blow in the fossil fuel fired wind.

[@CavalierLiberty]

I've been looking at 2014 Chevy spark EV as a roundabout for groceries and such. Recommend or no?

[@CavalierLiberty]

Runabout*

[@transportevolved]

We love the Spark EV - It's got enough power for its diminutive size, and has lots of get up and go. The interior is a bit cheap and tacky, but it's a great runabout. The only caveat: be aware that some of the earlier Spark EV suspensions are starting to need replacement, and apparently the original parts may be tough to find.

[@richard--s]

@@transportevolved "suspensions need replacement", that reminds me of the Zoe. The factory-built-in Clio suspension or the tire steering connector "things" are too weak for the heavier Zoe.

[@stephenlinden8717]

Unfortunately they are starting to disappear on new chargers. I have a leaf and saw a charging station at a services and all 6 were just CCS. As you say many just have one rather than the option on all. I'll be replacing my leaf in 16 months with something that uses CCS.

[@Muppetkeeper]

Gridserve, back in your good old UK, has said it will increase it's CHAdeMO provision to about 25% of all of it's estate over the next year.

[@steffenfrkjr1424]

I have seen the adapter, that make it a option to use a CCS plug for a ChaDeMo car... ... IS a 17kg suitecase unit, that can be purchased in Germany for round €20.000.. :-)

[@samusaran7317]

20,000 or 20?

[@steffenfrkjr1424]

@@samusaran7317 20000

[@TestTest-eb8jr]

Damien is an amazing electronics wizzard!!!

[@JohnDoe-bd5sz]

If you want to do longer trips dont buy a Leaf....Full stop. Battery is not liquid cooled, you will be able to start off with a full charge, but when you first fastcharge it will heat the battery up and next time, you will get very low charge rate because the battery will be toasty.

[@meloccom]

Nissan is holding on to CHADEMO for as long as it can it seems. In Australia the first generation Leaf came with CHADEMO and J1772. With the series 2 Leaf they have changed the J1772 for a type 2 but kept the CHADEMO.

[@petertraveller6421]

For Leaf can do CCS retrofit. It would be nice if Nissan offers this retrofit for Leaf owners, because right now it's little bit expensive from 3rd party.

[@dylanwhite6539]

Thankfully even in my neck of the woods the Chademo stations by GA power have yet to fail me.