Is Chinese Thermal Getting Banned?

[@texasranger24]

What the US night vision market needs is a company like PSA. PSA doesn't want profit margins or military contracts, they just want to equip every american with the most reasonably priced, US made guns. THAT is what we need in night vision and thermal. A company that is fine with providing a 90% "just as good" product at like 20% the cost. Economy of scale the sh*t out of a US factory and be so competitively priced that everybody is basically forced to buy from you. Don't overcharge 300% just because it's for the military. Make US made affordable again.

[@Mike80528]

Not everyone knows Palmetto State Armory. I know, they should, but it's worth spelling them out for those who don't.

[@TheSonsOfSimon]

PSA basically just demonstrated the strength of capitalism. All companies should be using the same operating principles.

[@meanman6992]

Two philosophies, one wants as much profit per unit as possible, the other makes profit though volume of sales. The latter benefits the masses without hurting the risk taker (company). The former is generally greedy imo.

[@tyajjjjjjjjy]

It’s just a matter of time until psa come out with their own budget night vision. 😂let’s just hope it’s not expensive….

[@nocturnal770]

There will never be “cheap” night vision. The American government controls the supply of Gen3 tubes. Not to mention the manufacturing process of tubes which drives up the cost. Sure, Gen2+ tubes or digital chinese NV may be “just as good” for some people, but generally do not perform as well as Gen3 in low light situations. Still, ballpark price of entry into analog NV can be anywhere from $2,000 to $4,000 for a monocular. Obviously price depending on specs, etc.

[@AJ-xc4nm]

As much as I DONT want to support China, being poor and with absolutely ZERO western countries making affordable products for non military commercial purchase puts you in a difficult position.

[@srbontrager]

Stop and think like a dark minded individual like me. Imagine if you will. The CCP armies invade the United States. Now imagine, some poors like us smoking them using affordable equipment made by their own people.

[@smokeymoe842]

We support them weather we like it or not, under this regime.

[@llgynoth7185]

Thats because the chinese stuff isn't going to save you in a combat situation. Anyone with dedicated FLIR will see you from a mile away, because the chinese us IR illuminators in that cheap amazon stuff.

[@AgainstTheWindMO]

@@llgynoth7185you don’t use illuminators on thermal only NVG stuff.

[@mrmcscuseme]

@@llgynoth7185 Its hilarious how little people know but by god will they believe ANY hype. Anything coming out of China will ALWAYS be sub par.

[@mikef5694]

I see people cry about supporting the CCP when people ask about the RH25, StingIR, and other IRay options. But when I ask what the US equivalent of the RH25 or StingIR is, the only answer that checks off the same boxes is the Trijicon SkeetIR-X ($12.5k) and PoT Voodoo-S ($17k). The US market just isn’t competitive currently. I think an updated NVision NOX18 that has clip on capability for the same price as it’s currently at ~$6k would do extremely well, but NVision hasn’t touched the NOX18 in 4 years.

[@tactical_sense]

Preach!!

[@davideinstein7887]

most importantly, those companies don't want you to be armed lol

[@krajus83]

Same people complaining on their Chinese phone. That argument is irrelevant in today's "consume" society. Not saying you can't seek out US made, but don't act like nothing you're consuming isn't from other places.

[@BillyBob-bd1hj]

I prefer to give money to Chinese companies. At least I know for sure they aren't going to donate money to some degenerate cause.

[@Troubl3_Actual]

And at the same time everyone and their grandmas whole house are made in different parts of south east asia. Why bitch about 1 optic when the rest of your entire life spending is going to China?

[@mobilegamersunite]

Holosun dropping a thermal for 1500...i cant wait to review it on the channel 🙌

[@welinder01]

look at what happened in the drone space. dji with an army of approx. 20k engineers consumed the industry. all us drone manufacturers got out of the civi market and went to uncle sugar. the chinese are churning out engineers at a rate than greater than 10:1 compared to us. what do you think happens when you make education an exclusive experience? and most of the smart math kids in the US get lured into the finance industry. this is just the beginning.

[@BigCityCountryBoi]

Best comment 👌🏿

[@danielprice777]

Tell me you're reading a teleprompter that's slow without telling me you're reading a teleprompter that's slow.

[@Rabbitslayer257]

Hey Daniel, tell me you like dudes without telling me you like dudes

[@tactical_sense]

@@Rabbitslayer257😂😂😂😂😂

[@KeystoneCarry]

@danielprice7145 I like reading KZbin comments to find out who has Autism. Congrats on your official diagnosis.

[@danielprice777]

@@KeystoneCarry lol how does that make me autistic? I know I'm weird in other ways, but noticing that just means I know what professional work with a teleprompter looks like.

[@KeystoneCarry]

@@danielprice777 It really doesn’t. I just wanted to troll. Maybe I’m spectrum, it’s likely honestly.

[@BigCityCountryBoi]

Been running thermal rifle scopes since 2015. 1st unit was the 2015 Pulsar Xd38a, 2nd was 2022 Agm Rattler TS25-384 and last but not least the 2023 Pulsar Thermion 2 xp50 lrf pro. I also have a 2024 Dji Mavic 3 Thermal drone and a 2024 Nox 18 monocular for my helmet setup...

[@dijax7863]

1987, NAS Oceana, Experimental Thermal Nose POD under a F-14B Tomcat ... we could see the heat coming off the genitals of the line crew. We could tell who was a boy and who was a girl 700+ yards away.... what we have in the civilian world isnt shit.

[@chemistryofquestionablequa6252]

Looking at other dude’s junk. Sounds like Navy…

[@juki009]

@@chemistryofquestionablequa6252 Using genitals as a means of determining effectiveness? Yup, definitely Navy.

[@WDLC1911]

Wow!

[@SpecOpsGear]

Comparing a 16oz uncooled thermal to an aircraft mounted unit doesn't really work.

[@mh3225]

yeah guy lemme mount an aircraft system to my face

[@MTimWeaver]

It's been well over 15 years since I owned NODs (7-bravos), and I haven't kept up on it. At the time, thermal imageing systems were $12k + for the most basic of units. What i'm seeing now is just amazing. So my question: Given my experience with NVGs, and what I'm seeing with Thermal, why would you run NVGs with thermals? What are NVGs giving you that thermal doesn't?

[@RADIOACTIVEBUNY]

At this time, the following: 1. No latency (at all, compared to some, or maybe a lot) 2. Can see through windows, and can see IR emitters, and be used for passive aiming. 3. Generally, still, better for navigation and active movement while thermals remain king for observation. As Moore's law benefits thermals, though, I think we'll see these advantages dwindle.

[@galmer5714]

I'd like to see these guys tell us about what EMP effects have on both PVS-14 gen3 and these Thermal offerings?

[@WDLC1911]

A powerful EMP would fry the electronics. No different than with any other type of optics.

[@spaceghostcoast2coast614]

Better train your eyes to be nocturnal 😅

[@benjaminp6924]

Anti emp devices are untested all of them

[@romanshevy257]

Right. That’s the biggest concern here. EMP’s

[@Robertsmith-un5cu]

Store your stuff in an ammo can. Insulate it somehow so it’s not touching the metal walls. No problem.

[@m26_lemon_grenade55]

Loved the "hot takes" free flow format

[@Skywalker1984]

Tin foil comment. I wonder if China has a chip in each unit which they can turn off should we ever go to war. Events in the news regarding other items coming in the country lead me to this question

[@davidfocardi8516]

Wouldn't doubt it

[@deekay13]

Can Microsoft turn off all their pcs?

[@DmitryLon]

Something you could control as long as the device does not require 24/7 internet connection.

[@deltasierratango127]

Yes, they can turn off Everything in Electronic MADE IN CHINA. So is Japan, Korea, and oh US technology

[@Yasher5679]

Wooow, that's a really good question. I am constantly thinking of the book, The Art Of War.

[@shadyburnz12]

Got a 10 year old thermal still works and clear

[@2cthetruth]

I think I'll wait for the next release

[@ozsharpener]

Why Foxpro? Is it still being used commercially somewhere?

[@TheSavanto]

If I were to look for three clip on thermals for hunting what should I look at?

[@christopheravery5808]

Man, it’s awesome gear for sure, it’s just that most people can’t afford it. People these days are struggling to buy a PSA rifle thanks to the economy, not that there is anything wrong either PSA, I just opted to build my rifles because it’s easier to come up with $50 here and $100 there. The problem with NV and Thermal is dropping $2k or more on buying a QUALITY unit. I know a couple people who have bought digital night vision that are pretty good, but it’s not on the level of the latest tech available. I’ve seen helmet mounted NV go for up to $40k!! I’d love to just drop $5k-$10k on a bridged unit though, it’s just not realistic for most people. Maybe when Trump gets in office and more American companies step up to the plate then maybe some of the prices will come down, we can all only hope.

[@badassoptic]

US companies take IP seriously, which also means competitions can't easily copy each other and get these products out there and immediately get feedback, rapidly moving forward or driving price down. In China, that is just not a thing at all, which pushes them to develop way faster without all the rules in place, competitions drive down the price significantly.

[@Mrgunsngear]

🤙🏽

[@kenji4596]

What about US drones industry?

[@nck4888]

So you're telling me the Chinese flirs are better than the flir breach PTQ136??? Id like to know more .

[@WinSomeLoseNone0]

Yes, for starter they are 2x the resolution of the FLIR breach which is an ancient product.

[@nck4888]

@@WinSomeLoseNone0 I had someone check into the Chinese products and the only improvement that's better than the breach is merely pixels it's detection capabilities aren't near as good as the breach but close to it. I don't know about you guys but I'd rather not support the Chinese and help them dominate the globe any more than they already do with all their products

[@jasonhurd1509]

I have a breech and a MH25. No comparison, MH25 is light years better.

[@BigDan12]

MH25 is still $4k+ tax@@jasonhurd1509 I got a new breach last week for $1900+tax

[@2artactical55]

We were running a hybrid Nightvision Thermal combined monocular in Afghanistan in 2012. It's not new...

[@martyn6792]

Interesting video

[@pinkybrown1525]

Huawei night vision, sounds great, how do I give them my info.

[@drostly3220]

It seems a significant move towards a total receiver based night vision with Thermal and ?... IR is a give away... Was just watching one of Shawn Ryans interviews with a Navy Seal who got in a bad way cause the IR's gave away his position.. IF everyone has them they all have a disadvantage.. I saw a clip recently of a super high res thermal that seemed like you wouldn't need anything else... Thanks

[@KnifeFanatic]

Great video What's the outro music? It's really nice.

[@rid3withthewindvaj131]

No matter if you like or hate China. Most of our products is made in China. If you want U.S military grade, you’re gonna have to pay top dollars for it. China will probably have something better for less that won’t break your account. I’m not talking about the cheap copycat ones lol

[@GldenRetriever]

So what's better than the RH25 for the same price, seeing how its held its relatively same price for the last couple years? Rumor has it Iray is dropping a newer RH25 in a few months.

[@Jessersadler]

same question here

[@meatshank2104]

They dropped by 1k after 10 months 😂

[@不死原飴羽]

The facts is, at wartime, China can mass produce these in wartime production rate.

[@Silenced556]

I’ll keep my shitty US made 640 Pixels on Target Voodoo S thank you very much

[@jameskozlowski5496]

Lol. Whole other level.

[@Gwiffer]

yah. whats weird is for a country hell bent on a 100 year war with the US they are fine selling thermal tech to us. i find it insanely strange

[@Journey_of_Abundance]

I was thinking this the whole time.

[@paullinkins8121]

Still a great piece of equipment and first introduced in 2021. The $17000 price tag -- ouch.

[@WinSomeLoseNone0]

@@paullinkins8121 comically overpriced

[@rokroll]

I agree and I was or will be buying a helmet mount soon and I am sold from one of your videos

[@alphawolfgang173]

im toying with a homemade oicw, looking into a tr2 type camera but without the need for a phone. would like the battery on my helmet or vest. put a flip down screen on my helmet or goggles. gun cam, with thermal. overlaying a night vision and thermal with those transparent amoled screens in my goggles would be interesting. the larp demands it.

[@Greystone42]

modern thermal is so good its insane

[@er98ah]

We should all be thankful for chinas thermal

[@levelazn]

shows you that china is capitalist

[@choke666]

I still run my FLIR SCOUT TK. 😳🙄 I've had it almost as long as it's been out. Battery life is now abysmal. And definitely, it's time to upgrade!💯💪💥💥💥

[@maxtilt666]

Who else thought this might be about the Jerry FB 😂 👀 regardless I’m here for this! as well as if you guys want to start talking about laser speed brand laser, illuminators and or other “gray market” goodies from China 🔥

[@SpecOpsGear]

got to play with a few laserspeeds recently, 2 thumbs up so far!

[@michaeltrent2726]

I find it crazy I cannot take my Night vision out of the country when it's literally made in China

[@Jasonz1919]

Love my infray

[@rskydyvhf3390]

Is there any affordable 640..

[@paullinkins8121]

It depends on your budget. For some people $500 isn't affordable and for others $100k is affordable.

[@Nogeri]

when ARMASIGHT SIDEKICK 640 review?

[@PunaJussi]

btw, just received my jerry-14. I'ts really nice.

[@sandych33ks1]

A thermal scope with no video no Bluetooth bullshit. We want clear function with range simplicity....I need reliability without all the frills...Any suggestions ? Clip on ?? Straight thermal scope ??

[@singatakberpura]

Sorry bro the best thermals in the world comes from Tonbo Imaging (in Bangalore,India) - American SF gets it from them

[@Dunewarrior00]

The unexpected Trump yelling "CHYNA" made me laugh really hard. Jesus it was so out of nowhere...

[@SpookyFow]

US or Austrian thermals, I'd pay $5500. Chinese thermals, I'd only pay $550.

[@itinnyi]

Trust me, they know you fools will.

[@SpookyFow]

@@itinnyi I don't know anybody who owns NVG's or thermals made in Janky China.

[@nerdydude2k4]

And who are you? Someone important? Lol

[@kungnomaster8766]

RICO HD 1280 2X 75mm Thermal Weapon Sight costs $18,000 and my FLIR Thermosight Pro costs $5,000.

[@PracticalTacticalSheepDog]

Chinese thermal is just now catching up to US thermal. The reason you're just now seeing it is because the high resolution US made systems were $130k 25 years ago and were the size of a mini fridge. Lockheed Martin had high resolution thermal designed for aircraft going back to 1996. That stuff could see heat signatures from a literal mile away and distinguish what it was. All the Chinese have done is make it cheap, compact and mass produced. Which granted is a feat in its own right, but a far cry from them "dominating the market" Oh and the vast majority of cellphones are manufactured in china but developed elsewhere. Almost every piece of technology the Chinese have ever made was either stolen and reverse engineered or designed in another country entirely.

[@johnwilliams6880]

Stop fooling yourself. China now leads the world in many critical technologies. The first thing you must do to solve a problem is to recognize you have one.

[@richardvaldes3959]

Russian army seems to be making good use of all these Chinese sets you see them everywhere now

[@allecazzam8224]

So you’re saying that the thermals your selling starting at $3k-$17k are affordable ??

[@Sevendeucegroup]

Is there a red dot sight like rmr or eotech that you can run thermal with helmet mounted? If so that’s the answer you can pretty much get rid of Night vision altogether especially if the unit does not nuke.

[@christopherpark1970]

What do you guys think if the Trijicon REAP-IR?

[@ironworkerfxr7105]

TRUMP 2024

[@OrganikSecrets]

Bro why is your nose so cold. Somebody turn the heat on for this man.

[@MisterDeets]

Still laughing at the Trump clip. PERFECT editing gentlemen! Great info as well.

[@Arkayne]

CHINA

[@annaoaulinovna]

all nations have thermal image sensors. iran india china etc.

[@slappomatthew]

It’s disgusting how complacent the big defense brands are

[@jammbbs1688]

I'm too poor for thermals or nods

[@unhippy1]

Less advanced thermals being cheaper is good news.......all i need to know is that there is a heat spot up the gully that's about deer or pig size....i don't need to be able to count the animals nose hairs

[@davisuehara3528]

Night vision is starting to look like what Ghosts have.

[@justsnuggle]

Didn't say a single word about thermals getting banned. What the hell

[@Arkayne]

This video was launched before that buzz started, Thanks for watching!

[@abcMasterNowhere]

*CHINA* trump said calmly

[@chltmdwp]

My Galaxy Note 20 says made in Vietnam. So no chinese for me in my household.

[@itinnyi]

Crack open the phone and see the light.

[@ugsisr]

I still think FLIR Is tough to beat.

[@sc8916]

I'm using Chinese made thermal scope and night vision scope, they are really good in both quality and price.

[@gusjeazer]

Do you know the brand?

[@DissatisfiedCitizen]

I was going to buy the 640 sidekick on Black Friday but there wasn't' much info on it and now that the price went back up I'll probably just wait for the 1280 version or fusion to get down to my level.

[@TheFlyingKiwiNZ]

1.25x playback speed works well here. You're welcome.

[@bchaveezy]

Ban teleprompters!

[@fasst27]

Just think...in probably 5 years, you'll have 4K, 60fps, wide angle...

[@heroebennett]

i would love to buy a Chinese thermal but i absolutely hate that they have built in wi fi .the last thing i want is to be tracked by the red army if they ever did invade

[@GetReal38]

First, spelled correctly

[@outkast7991]

Hilarious!

[@ZionistWorldOrder]

i chose to boycot chinese, buy elsewhere even if its a lesser product, how will one once again beat china otherwise?

[@vcqrsfdwc1987]

nice try keep doing that it's rly amusing to see u guys acting like Qing Dynasty in 1900s

[@ZionistWorldOrder]

@@vcqrsfdwc1987 ofcourse we will make our own stuff unlike the west deindustrialising itself and paying china to raise its confidence to actually believe they could achieve it without espionage theft and outright given tech. No thanks china, we will make our own, anything worth making. Thats how any nation increases production.

[@johnleca]

55 dollars for a phone call?

[@Arkayne]

Our customer service through email is free, we will answer any questions you have in a timely manner and help you along! Ethan's expertise and experience requires him to play many roles in Arkayne, therefore making time a premium 👊

[@SuperChunk1775]

The US is way ahead in thermals along with Europe in tactical and civilian market. Also note ATN corp makes great thermals for rifles. you sound like a Chinese ad. do some comparisons.

[@pinkybrown1525]

I'm gonna show this to your grandpa

[@BooDamnHoo]

I don't want US products. They are ALWAYS Elon Musk expensive. You MUST go Taiwan/China to get anything you can actually afford on a 15 yr mortgage.

[@tylermiller214]

2x is best..

[@wolfie239w]

CCP has Americans doing its weapons tech R&D

[@Liam-ql7tr]

LoL. Good bad advice. Stop the China dependency

[@GoWokeGoBroke2023]

aka dont fuck around at night!

[@yesmam7958]

china been fcking investing so much in video capture / image capture this decade its crazy thats why every corner of china is bombarded with camera with facial recognition

[@kungnomaster8766]

Chinese knock off of my FLIR PTS736 Thermosight pro

[@volvo245]

For decades only western corporations dealt with their Chinese partners. They wanted Chinese to make products as cheaply as possible, they often requested rapid obsolescence. The Chinese can and will make good products if the incentives are there. Those incentives are rapidly increasing as the entities putting in orders are changed. The feedback loop between the western consumers and the Chinese manufacturers has never been as good as now.

[@alfteck]

Way beyond my budget....

[@Milspecpoptart]

Chyynaah...

[@josiahb55]

Crispy

[@pep729]

Still need halfway decent thermal for the poors. Or at least night vision. 😢

[@chainsawchanselour5452]

I think theirs enough info out there to just make my own nightvision for cheaper than this. Especially without the price of serving the ccp

[@CMB21497]

Unnerving that Chinese thermals are so good.

[@SpecOpsGear]

infiray/iray is awesome.

[@centurione6489]

🤣Go check a Made in USA Trijicon!

[@ProApto]

useless if you use our Camouflage

[@paullinkins8121]

Companies in China are good at copying and making things cheaply. Innovation? Not so much.

[@itinnyi]

He just said China makes better thermos and cheaper.

[@Thor_b]

👀

[@obi-wankenobi5332]

BS, they just assembly Iphones for a while 😃

[@hoatzen7887]

this video is outdated. ngl. 2 years, 2 late.

[@2cthetruth]

It's not that your just supporting Chyna...you ARE Chyna. America is gone.

[@TJ-hd5ym]

Wow a whole alot a nothing was said

[@urbanandruralsurvival]

You should make your own videos

[@evrythingis1]

@@urbanandruralsurvival You should make your own thermal vision

[@urbanandruralsurvival]

@@evrythingis1 don't you threaten me with a good time

[@tommyguptill]

Cold nose.

[@krajus83]

Fist

[@nck4888]

Bump....... that's what you were trying to say right?

[@ohainickify]

Come onnnnn $500 analog dual tube NNVT binos

[@InvidiousIgnoramus]

Even a single tube costs more to make than that. Not gonna happen any time soon.