Is Cinder Playing A Beautiful Game? | Name of the Wind Theory

[@cameronlaplante8738]

I’d just like to put this out there - you guys should DEFINITELY keep making name of the wind related videos. They have been amazing and I’ve loved exploring this new world both through the books and interactions with your content. Please let this become a recurring series for your channel!

[@oofmydude8173]

I wish they would

[@caitlinvanstaden8427]

Let's hope they do! Especially with the Doors of Stone releasing soon (hopefully).

[@bmagaziner]

@@caitlinvanstaden8427 lol keep dreaming

[@Mar_s-vy6js]

Ah just finished reading the second one and my God do I want a hundred theory videos from scb😂

[@jakesavage8334]

This is the most unabashed, leaping, horseshit theory I've ever seen. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

[@pinetree1767]

The last time I was this early, Kvothe was making good financial desicions Wait...

[@AinsleySunny]

never

[@thegoodwitchluzura]

So, never?

[@jrjm8582]

XD I could support myself for a year with this money! So anyway I bought a bunch of Gucci stuff

[@puffpride8344]

Your perfect pronunciation of "Kvothe" is SO satisfying.

[@SuperCarlinBrothers]

THANK YOU

[@jackson5802]

The consonant cluster "kv" is non-existent in the English language, but quite common in northern Germanic languages like Swedish. Given that it's the same branch of languages, with a little practice logic dictates that we should be able to pronounce the sound fairly easily. This has been a short linguistics rant no one asked for or will ever read.

[@Taco1983]

@@SuperCarlinBrothers really awesome insight on the books... So I don't know if you noticed that in book 1 when one of the INN patrons says he remembers Kvothe, Kvothe pretends to twist his knee while stepping off the fireplace and proceeds to tell everyone in the room that he took an arrow to the knee three summers ago while in the ELd... Of course we know in book 2 that the only person who took an arrow to the knee in the Eld was Cinder... I don't think this means anything to the story but it's interesting... Also Devan Lochees ( Chronicler ) last name sounds a lot like Lackless...

[@rainecormier2935]

I always thought Haliax was Incanus 🤔

[@jackson5802]

@@rainecormier2935 I feel the need to point out that Halifax is a city in Nova Scotia...

[@kumquatlich]

Can't believe there wasn't time for the dancing evidence. Denna tells us her patron is a "surprisingly good dancer", and Bredan that he's "even learning to dance" about a chapter apart.

[@clymbr]

hoh i just remembered i did pick that up! but at the time I was like aw nah cause Denna met her patron in Imre and Braden wouldn't've been there

[@BVtok26]

I'm really surprised that you've mentioned twice now that Cinder was responsible for the accident at the Fishery when Denna meets him BUT you didn't bring up that the reason that the accident happens is that the bone tar gets too cold causing the container to break....and what's Cinder's sign, things getting cold. 🤯❄🔥

[@rawdaaljawhary4174]

Yup! He's drawn in snow on the ancient pot that Nina sees. How perfect.

[@Lasdary]

Dude I'm starting to believe Kvothe changed his true name into Kote, which would explain why he cannot fight, sing, or sympathy anymore. Elodin is very distressed when he thinks Fela changed her name. And it might be because it changes one's nature.

[@AtaraxianWist]

Denna, not Fela.

[@Lasdary]

@@AtaraxianWist When Kvothe asks him about someone giving out different names (referring to Denna), Elodin first thinks he's talking about Fela and gets really upset about it.

[@AtaraxianWist]

@@Lasdary Oh, right. I forgot Elodin misguessed the subject. My bad.

[@EnchantedStoryEars]

Fascinating! Maybe because the Chandrian (or Cinder, or...) learn his true name and it keeps him from being controlled...?

[@julianciari8026]

Nope... he gets pasted by the soldiers cuz hes hurt from the scrael, and he does sing in one of the first chapters of notw (tinker tanner). the simpaty is a mistery, i'll give you that :v

[@Levebs]

In the 10th anniversary edition Patrick rothfuss explains the calendar of his world with a month being 44 days

[@quadcopterstudios]

The fact that a 10th anniversary edition exists should tell you everything you need to know about this TrILoGy

[@niveshproag3761]

@@quadcopterstudios Excited for the 20th anniversary ❤

[@vanessaultimo1926]

Small theory on the side: I suspect Kvothe did not only call Felurians real name but also Dennas. At the far end of wise man's fear he surprisingly meets Denna when she comes into a tavern with a guy friend and can't breathe. He whispered a name in her ear and told her to breathe. And she did. He thought he called the wind to make her breathe again but I suspect he called her by her true name and thereby had power over her so when he told her to breathe she had to comply. I'd really love a SCB video listing all the moments of Kvothe just naming things left and right and having no clue. He's a sweet sweet summer child ...so naive

[@julianciari8026]

Nah, he told that to elodin and he didn't react like he did with the felurian story, i think he said "subtle stuff" instead of "practically impossible"

[@FaithOriginalisme]

@@julianciari8026 Why would Elodin assume it wasn't the wind. It's not like Denna is known to be a powerful Fae. Why is Kote so vague about it when he tells us? I think it could be because he called Denna's name, but then, maybe it really was the wind

[@EnchantedStoryEars]

I was thinking that, too - that he called her name

[@danscantland8066]

The reason I think he said the name of the wind there is that the scene is pretty similar to when Abenthy says the name of the wind to save Kvothe when he was a child

[@SuperCarlinBrothers]

You know... its possible they are literally one in the same... At the very least they both have ever changing names... 😉

[@tigertalk3690]

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[@clymbr]

underrated

[@meganeich5241]

Missed opportunity 😂😂

[@lotrloreman]

For reference: A span is 11 days. A month is 4 span. So each month is 44 days long. There are 8 months per year with an extra holy 7 days of midwinter at the end of the 8th month. Making a year 359 days long.

[@julianciari8026]

And the days of the week are (in random order) felling, kendling, mourning, theden, hepten,... and im missing 5

[@richardbarton4266]

How did you figure this out, does it say all this somewhere?

[@luizafrugoli2400]

Thank you for sharing this information!

[@MsAfroStar]

No way 😭 😭 😭 how did you figure this out?

[@colbymcconnell5592]

I am still finishing up the books (almost done with NotW and LOVE it), so I am waiting to watch these videos, but please keep up this content! I know the view counts are lower, but I love the Name of the Wind content

[@kait1291]

I'm back here now after finishing both books. Keep em coming, J & Ben! This is great content.

[@catfishin]

Can we appreciate that Nick Podehl is one of the best voice actors on Audible? Such a great job with the series.

[@madelinewelsh]

I disagree. I'm not sure if it's how he narrates or if they gave him bad stage direction but I don't think these audiobooks are very good. Also he mispronounces a bunch of the names which is annoying since rothfuss said he told them how to say it and the people making the audiobook ignored them.

[@vanessaultimo1926]

I love his voice but him saying words wrong is very annoying. I still think he's a great voice actor ...I suspect the issues people have with it are probably caused by the producers/directors

[@rossdavidson5122]

Him and Jefferson Mays in the Expanse series

[@jessicafireng4884]

​@@madelinewelsh Rupert Degas is the narrater I listened to. Not sure if this will fix the mispronunciation but he does say all then names different to how they are being said in the videos.

[@DarwinsWench]

He also does one of the books in the John Dies at the End series and it’s amazing!!!

[@EnchantedStoryEars]

And the song that Denna writes - the fact that her patron not only tells her a very different version of the story but encourages her to write a song that will inevitably be passed from town to town... Her patron is definitely Cinder and also controlling her (remember the written magic she mentions where you're forced to act?). I love the idea that he's popped up other places, too... I'm relistening now, so I'll keep my eyes open!

[@mollydouglas8084]

Can we get a theory about the written magic Denna keeps mentioning? It comes up at least 3 times. where did she hear about that? what else does it connect to?

[@brucemartin1420]

I think shes trying to learn about it for the chandrian and does. eventually she writes a letter to kvothe with a bunch of weirdness in the letter and all of the things in the letter happen to him

[@Taco1983]

Good points... So this is a bit off topic but do you remember in the first book when Kvothe pretends to stumble at the fireplace at the inn...he tells the patrons at the inn that he " took an arrow to the knee three summers ago in the ELD".... And we know from book 2 that the only person who took an arrow to the knee in the Eld was Cinder.... Seems a bit interesting...

[@EnchantedStoryEars]

@@brucemartin1420 Huh! I don't remember that at all. Do you remember about when in the story that was? (On my second reading of Wise Man)

[@brucemartin1420]

@@EnchantedStoryEars its right before he leaves for the maer its the letter that talks about her meeting pirates and going accross the world and meeting an adem. That part of the book is strangly very lax on details so i think kvothe is waiting for a more dramatic time to get more detailed

[@DWPF17]

What if Cinder actually can't do anything to Kvothe? Something I've noticed that I haven't seen anyone on youtube talk about yet are the times that Kvothe displays the imagery of the Amyr, specifically the Ciridae. The mark of the Ciridae, specifically, is a tattoo that looks like blood flowing down one arm and Kvothe does this I believe twice. The most impressive of which is when he's fighting the bandits in the forest. I think it was after using sympathy on the dead body to kill a bunch of them he has blood flowing down his arm with lightning flashing behind him and Martin (?) , who is the most religious of the group, sees him standing there and looks in disbelief. So either this is symbolic in Kvothe being a rival to the Chandrian the same way the Amyr are or, he is actually divinely protected and the Chandrian can't actually do anything to him directly

[@jonathanhart5924]

I am so glad you guys are doing Name of the Wind. It has been my favorite books for about 5 years now. Ive heard most of these theories, but I love to get your guys's take on them, and I hope yall have new ones that ive never heard of. Keep up the content please!

[@victoriacombs4877]

I always thought that the Chandrian assumed that Kvothe had died. It’s reasonable to think that a child would die in the woods after their entire family was murdered. The Chandrian are not all knowing and they have made mistakes. An example being Nina.

[@julianciari8026]

I think you mean nina, (the girl that saw the vase) nell was the serving girl in the inn

[@victoriacombs4877]

@@julianciari8026 I do. Thanks. I’m not good with names. :P

[@julianciari8026]

@@victoriacombs4877 no probs, me neither... i just read the books 37 times... each...

[@FaithOriginalisme]

I think they may have initially assumed Kvothe had died, and I think they assumed this because they put a spell on him to "sleep". When they leave, Kvothe goes to sleep in his wagon until it burns down and is half alive for the next 3 years until Skarpi speaks his name. I don't remember the exact line, but Haliax says something about putting Kvothe to sleep, and then Kvothe doesn't use sympathy, or anything arcanum related until Skarpi, then he suddenly uses it again.

[@Lasdary]

@@FaithOriginalisme i had never joined those dots .. he was asleep until Skarpi used his name

[@SuperCarlinBrothers]

What do you think... is Cinder indeed playing a 'Beautiful Game'?

[@boytan8824]

Yes! I originally thought Bredon was Denna’s patron but then you guys threw a wrench in my idea when you said it was Cinder, but I’m glad you guys are bringing it back around!

[@chalkiewithdots]

@@boytan8824 that video confirmed it for me cuz I was so sure Cinder was Bredon^.^

[@boytan8824]

@@chalkiewithdots I wasn’t able to pick up on it so kudos to you!

[@declanmatheson1477]

I'll be back to binge these once my local library starts loaning out books again.

[@aaronginsberg4993]

I think Cinder being Bredon would make the Cthaeh a liar. "Twice in a lifetime opportunity" seems like a specific number.

[@fantasystatsguru5278]

Have you seen that Patrick Rothfuss created the actual game Tak? maybe a J vs Ben windsday edition of you playing each other? That would be awesome

[@TalesfromtheWaystone]

He worked with the lead game designer for Cheepass Games (James Ernest) to create the game so it’s actually well designed. No offense to Pat, but authors aren’t necessarily good game designers, even when they’re super entertaining game players and creative thinkers.

[@mjf69]

I think everyone is Cinder, I think this entire story is just Cinder sitting in a dark room going mad and telling himself a story.

[@Andi_Imke]

So excited! I'm so happy you guys introduced me to this story!

[@jddhdhddhd]

Me too! I've been trying to get all my friend hooked. I need someone to talk to about it lol

[@eatcheesekobe]

For the next J vs B video, I want to see J and Ben play each other in Tak!! upvote so they can see!!

[@naomi_falk]

Just finished reading Name of the Wind on Sunday so now I just have to read the sequel!

[@LUXImTheBestLUX]

I've been in that spot since 2012 q.q

[@joshuapirolo6263]

Don’t bother, it’s bad

[@lotrloreman]

Glad to have more people enjoy a series I love to death!

[@rainhunter5546]

If I had a jot for every single time I've come across this specific theory, I would have... I don't know how much money because it's really hard to keep up with currency in these books, but a lot. If, however, I had a jot for every time I've been convinced by this theory, I would have exactly one jot, so good job SCB

[@FaithOriginalisme]

I'm still not convinced. I do think it's entirely possible though

[@tristanglenn4048]

Let's talk about the subtleties, like when Kvothe is leaving the University and Elodin says that the stone bridge is a great place for naming because it is an edge. Later, martin says that they're off the edge of the map in the Eld and Kvothe calls down lightning. And how he must've called lightning and not made a galvanic binding because if he did the slippage would've killed him.

[@jennayoung9811]

J: “What does the Cthaeh even know anyway?” Me, a second before J: “uh, everything?”

[@CheyenneSedai]

If you read the Cosmere and made theories about it, you would make me extremely happy. Sanderson’s books are right up your alley.

[@johnpike8010]

Please make more Name of the wind content! I want to know your take on Jax, the luckless box (maybe containing the name of the moon?) The Ctheh, Halliax, the angels, and the connections between the wandering Edema Ruh, the former wanderers (the Adem) and the displaced peoples from the lost cities. Please, make more!

[@jn_519]

I swear I'll be back, I just hvnt finished the book

[@SuperCarlinBrothers]

We will see you then!

[@_anicholson]

Rothfuss has said that Bredon wasn’t in the initial drafts of the novel. His editor made the suggestion. So 🤷🏼‍♀️. Hopefully this is a question we get an answer to in TDoS.

[@emilianachateau]

PLEASE MAKE MORE OF THESE VIDEOOOOS!! I'm so sad they haven't done as well because they are my absolute favorites

[@clymbr]

I love the idea that Cinder is using Kvothe for his knack

[@ddryadd]

I loooove the way Rupert Degas voiceacts in the audiobook version. I actually think he's one of the main reasons I kept coming back time after time to the audiobook :)

[@wimblyd]

I would LOVE to see a video on Denna’s Yllish hair knots... Consider how she reacted when she heard about the University- an awkward question about magic working through writing? I think her hair knots are a knack of sorts- Yllish “spells” kind of? Would love to hear your thoughts on this, love the Name of the Wind theory videos!! 🙌🙌🙌

[@travisrafferty7804]

Kvothe also interprets one of the knots (not the beautiful one). I’ll try to remember the sentence it’s wrong but Deanna fidgeted with her hair, it was as if she yelled “do not talk to me” Kvothe was talking about her demeanor and the glare, but he may have been interpreting the yllish knot.

[@Amaterasu_Rivers]

I always suspected that it was Master Ash who taught Denna the Yllish magic since she’s only described as wearing braids AFTER meeting her patron, who had her doing genealogical research in Yll. What better way for a patron to guarantee her work than to teach her how to magically influence her audience and/or suitors?

[@benb203]

This is the new best part of my Wednesdays!

[@EliotChildress]

I’m impressed you threw in the span tidbit. I’m making king killer quizzes and that was one of the logistics questions. I guess I’ll have to make it even harder.....

[@witerabid]

If I had a jot for every time Kvothe failed to see something obvious because he thinks he's smarter than the situation... I would be a very talented individual...

[@rayanomar9262]

i know im two years late but i love the pun

[@witerabid]

@@rayanomar9262 I'm still here and I appreciate your reply. 😊

[@hambone.fakenamington]

OKAY FINE I’ll get the audiobook for The Name of the Wind! I’ll be back.

[@jessicafireng4884]

I recommend the ones narrated by Rupert Degas. Most names are said differently but there is some debate about that anyway.

[@TalesfromtheWaystone]

We enjoyed the audiobooks! Good choice.

[@eatcheesekobe]

@@jessicafireng4884 Nick Podehl is the one that was actually coached by Rothfuss, much more official and gives the intended tones to the scences

[@jessicafireng4884]

@@eatcheesekobe thanks! I will try to have a listen.

[@scottbranin5862]

I think that one of the “monks”(the one that didn’t talk)that arrested the story teller in the bar was cinder.

[@shenellelive7]

I was so excited for the the new name of the wind video that I thought yesterday was Wednesday and was so sad that a video wasn’t posted.

[@davejudd2472]

I'm so glad you are doing these videos. After your "why you should read" video I got the audio books and now I've also got the books and 10th anniversary addition. Thanks for introducing me to my new favorite fantasy series!

[@PunkDragynrider]

Most of the points in these theories I've read and heard multiple times at this point, but I honestly don't care. It's really great to see one of my favorite KZbin channels pumping the series and getting it more attention! I need people to talk about it with lol. I listened to it on recommendation from a coworker 2 years ago and have been obsessed since, but I no longer work with or hear from him. Keep it up, I'm loving this!

[@suzywhall9494]

Can I just say this channel is my new love! You guys arrange everything perfectly, you don't beat around the bush, you get right to the point. Also you manage to be funny at the same time. Wow 😍

[@cookieandme23]

I know that name of the wind and popcast videos don’t have as many veiws as others but they really make my day so I hope you can still view this experience as a success and keep making them cause they truly are my favorite, keep doing what you love and embrace your fandom no matter what other people think of it!

[@BiancaBelle]

I'm loving these and will keep commenting in hopes you keep talking about Name of the Wind :)

[@90benj]

I would really like a theory on Jax/Iax and the creation of the Fae Realm, where in the story the mansion he builds is clearly the Fae Realm itself, the mentioning of a lot of cracks on not fitting door alluding to the portals from the mortal world to the Fae Realm. Or maybe the Lackless/Lockless Box, since Jax is described as unlucky -> luckless -> lackless -> lockless and the box might contain a part of the name of the moon or the Fae Realm itself.

[@Isabella-zi2pu]

Omg that makes so much sense! I always felt like the Jax story was so random

[@luisadelatorre5960]

I don't know why but I get the feeling that we're walking in into a Hercules-Hades-Megara (Disney) kind of situation... in that Denna is unwillingly playing a part in this long con. And that somehow she is one of the casualties of whatever confrontation will happen between Kvothe and Cinder, that prompts him to assume the Kote persona.

[@sipholukhele290]

Every time you lay into Bredon's name I laugh so hard. "*B*REYDON!"

[@the8thsquare]

Theory question that's always bothered me: why didn't Kvothe seek out Abenthy after his parents died? He knew where Ben was. Ben was his mentor. He seemed to be able to confirm/deny things about the Chandrian and could he be an Amyr that when he tragically left allowed the Chandrian to find the troupe?

[@jca66]

Because Abenthy was living hundreds of miles away and Kvothe had no idea where. He only knew the name if the town.

[@Naomi11477]

I was saving these videos for when I finished the books. So satisfying to have them to listen to right after I finished wise mans fear. Thanks brothers!

[@mariaantoniatorrente9571]

Absolutely love this videos! Read the saga a while ago and was left so frustrated with the absence of the third book, but these amazing theories fill that void.

[@mdwolf72]

I like how for the Cthaeh you just went full Christopher Walken.

[@tylerelmore4419]

Me, watching this without reading any of the books: "I like your funny words magic man"

[@SherwoodsCrafts]

While also a believer in this theory, there is one thing that is sticking out that throws a wrench in the gears. The Cthaeh (who knows all, yada yada) specifically says that Kvothe has encountered Cinder only 2 times in his life and considers that "lucky". The only way around this is if the Cthaeh is really pushing semantics here and not counting him when he's "glamoured". Kinda like the theory of Kvothe's mother's identity saying his mother (I forget the name) was a trouper through and through, since that could've been her new identity, instead of her Lackless name Natalia. That's the main thing that really stymies this theory for me though.

[@madisonrudd6538]

Oh also thanks to you guys I read the name of the wind in one weekend[700 and something pages]. Then read what the wise man fears in 5 days after work[ 1073 pages]. So thank you for turning this series on to your viewers

[@mirjam7638]

the german version of name of the wind has a short but on the calender an dthe currency at the end a year is maded up of 8 months (Thaw, Equis, Solace, Lannis, Reaping, Fallow, Dearth) plus seven days of high mourning celebrationg the winter solstice at the end. Each month has four spans of 11 days each (Luten, Shuden, Theden, Feochen, Orden, Hepten, Chaen, Felling, Reaving, Cendling, Mourning). So one month is 44 days making his two month term 88 days translating to 12 weeks and 4 days in our calender. There is also some additional information: Chaen means seven and a span used to end on that seventh day the four added day have religious meaning which you can get from Trapis story in Chapter 23 Felling is the day on which Tehlu brought down Encanis Reaving on which he carried Encanis away Cendling on which the fire was lighted Mourning on which Tehlu was mourned on currency it says Cealdish currency is the most used because it is well regulated and doesn't have a lot of fakes due to international prosecution. The coins are Trapezoidal and therefore give a little bar when stacked. A shim is unofficial and can be made by anyone it's only worth what the iron they're made of is worth. Shims have an X on the side to distinguish them from Drabs. 1 Drab is 11-14 Shims after that every 10 make the next higher coin, the order being Shim, Drab, Jot, Talent, Mark. the currency of the commonwealth is a mess because every bigger city can coin their own coins and don't do it according to regulation therefore the uni uses Cealdish currency

[@Radio.Chicken]

*subs* I found you via some people mentioning some epic king killer theories done by you guys on twitter, and let me say that you've blown me away and I can't wait to hear more!

[@Laslus_]

honestly i read those books in 2014 and i never knew i needed you guys to read them but OF COURSE i did you always have the best theory videos

[@1gnas123]

Love Name of the Wind theories. Please keep making more of them. I started reading the books and I am almost finished with the Wise Man's Fear. I started reading them because of you recommending them. I really like them so I just wanted to thank you.

[@Msr-mg5yi]

More content on this please!!! This is my new favorite fandom!

[@ssjpico]

Just finished reading both books and loving your theory videos! Have a different idea: I think Cinder could be using Kvothe to get close to the Maer because he wants more info on the Amyr (who Haliax protects him from)

[@MrLani77]

Ok I'm just watching all of these videos now because I literally finished WMF last night but ohhh my god they're so good! Keep up the NOTW content I love it!

[@fen8321]

Coincidenna is the best description I have heard

[@sammyrick1078]

Whoa! Bredon wasn't even on my radar. Y'all are right, he's so suspect. Evidently, I'm as cluless as Kvoth.

[@Rutanachan]

I really love how all of this fits together, but there's actually prove in the books, sadly, that Cinder has just appeared as himself and as the Bandit Leader in front of Kvothe. The Cthaeh tells Kvothe that he encountered Cinder twice. And a Cthaeh never lies. Though admittedly, he phrased it vague, as a "twice in a lifetime chance". He also said that Kvothe was lucky to survive his first encounter because the Chandrian were sloppy. And what I think might even more interesting, he said that the Maer is close to the Amir but doesn't know it. So I counter suggest, what if Bredon is actually of the Amir?

[@ravenlockewinds4374]

I just started rewatching this, having conveniently forgotten that my name is pronounced identically to "Bredan"... it was quite the surprise.

[@LadyKhione]

I just got through the book and what sticks out to me is the moment when Kvothe tries to bring up Dena constantly changing her name with Master Elodin and Elodin nearly loses his hat over the very idea of anyone changing their true name before Kvothe can explain. More than anything this means its possible to change a name. I wonder if Cinder is looking to get Kvothe to help him change his name in a round-about way so that he may be free of Haliax (brings up the idea of whether he is trying to regain his original true name before he 'fell')

[@emilianachateau]

I'm 100% sold on master ash being cinder. The tree in the fae tells Kvothe that the maer has had close contact (or almost) to cinder... And they are in the same city!

[@Traveling_Jo]

This is the most complete theory that I've heard about this topic! love it! Sometimes is good to be late on the game... I heard your podcast the other day when you talk about someone telling you that you were late going into this fandom (that a really selfish comment) I read the book in 2016 and of all the theories that I've seen or read since then this one of the best! so who is laughing now! I think what you are doing is awesome opening this wonderful world to new people! i really appreciate it (i don't feel so lonely anymore! it's really difficult to convince someone to read a book this long) Peace!

[@FaithOriginalisme]

Naw, they forgot the dancing thing. Denna says her patron can dance, and Bredon says he's taken up dancing

[@konoha-kun4024]

Thanks J, I totally missed that Bredon was Cinder! (Also: thourougly convinced by your arguments, it goes without saying.) I love how you always look up and cite all of the relevant quotes from the books! Well done!

[@joshshello616]

The catheah said that meeting cinder was a twice in a lifetime event and knows the future and doesn't lie. I like the Brendon is ash is cinder theory but I think it's all lined up as a red herring.

[@Hamburgular]

Ben and J would have a field day with The Inheritance Cycle. Let's get the ball rolling, gentlemen

[@knealis76]

oooo, that would be good, been a minute since i read those books

[@DarkShelley]

I’m completely on board with Kvothe’s knack for naming, therefore connecting Master Ash with Cinder, but I feel like there is also merit to the theory of Bredon being Denna’s patron is of the Amyr. If this is so, then how do you connect “ash” with the Amyr? Cinder’s motivation for wanting Kvothe to name Haliax makes sense as well, but do we believe, then, that Cinder/Bredon just knows of Kvothe & Denna’s connection? Denna is very adamant that she has not told Master Ash about Kvothe. Kvothe is hers and she won’t share. This is why the series is so good! So many ways to interpret things.

[@lyupon]

Hmmmm, this is quite interesting. I haven't notice the parallel about the colors, thanks for sharing

[@survivordave]

The appendices in the back of the 10th anniversary edition of Name of the Wind explain all the major money systems and provide a calendar. Cealdish money (shims, drabs, jots, talents, and marks) is decimal, with the exception of there being 11 shims to a drab (10 drabs to a jot, 10 jots to a talent, and 10 talents to a mark). The other money systems (Vintish, Commonwealth, and Aturan) are a lot more complicated. There's no explanation of Modegan money except for a mention Kvothe makes right before he leaves Vintas that he somehow ended up with a single Modegan strehlaum.) The calendar is 8 months of 4 span (44 days) each in a year, with 7 days of High Mourning as leap days to keep the physical year and the calendar year in line.

[@jesswiseman2086]

Why is wealthy Bredon stealing the Maer's taxes? Why is Cinder, for that matter?

[@graypop9802]

Chapter 18 of Wiseman's fear where Denna talks about a magic that can make people believe whatever they're told. Kvothe says "Sounds like Fairytale magic". The chapter before, he says he is only able to find things on the Chandrian in Fairytale books. This is what has happened to Kvothe. He believes he is just an innkeeper. Denna begs her patron not to kill Kvothe and this is what happens

[@januhelj3796]

I agree with the theory btw love the fact that yall are making videos on my favourite book

[@Pixdust77]

(slow clap) Brilliant! The thing about waiting so long to publish the last part in a trilogy is that you give your fans plenty of time to figure things out on our own. No wonder editing is taking so long....

[@littlemissmel88]

Having a bittersweet moment that I finished the books and the series is not finished, but I am happy I can watch these without spoilers. Loved the books!

[@enderwiggin1510]

you guys should really check out the Stormlight Archives by Brandon Sanderson, another amazing series in the works (we're at book 4) + This is a series that takes place in a shared universe (there are literally planets with different gods and magic system) that spans most of Brandon's books (and they're all amazing, though my favorites outside of SA are the Mistborn trilogy and Warbreaker) Love you guys so much. Name of the Wind is on my tbr so can't watch your video yet but still dropping a like, I know it's bound to be good content!

[@matthewb1500]

I also have a theory that Abenthy leaving the troop is in the same vein as Deanna being asked to go to that wedding. If you recall she was asked by Ash how many people were at the wedding, basically ensuring the Chandrian found them all. Abenthy heard the song the last night he was with the troop, and only left when he was perfectly baited by that woman. Lastly Ash perfectly showed up when Donna needed a patron. Thoughts?

[@colinclark5435]

Ohh see I think Abenthy set the troop up. His note to Kvothe is a lot of foreshadowing, written in a book literally called “rhetoric and logic”and he disappeared right before the attack. He tells kvothe to go to the university, remember his fathers song, and beware folly (cinders sword) which kvothe now has hanging on a wall. I think Abenthy might be another chandrian or Amyr working against cinder.

[@mikelseisdedos9399]

Threpe could also be Cinder. He has a walking stick, white hair, he also comes whenever Kvothe needs him, he knew that Kvothe was meeting Denna the day of the fire and was the one to send Kvothe to Vintas...

[@luizafrugoli2400]

Good theory.

[@sircringecake]

NGL THE LINE BEFORE THE INTRO MADE MY JAW PHYSICALLY DROP

[@leaschock4376]

We need more kvothe theories!!! I love you guys

[@magdropstudios4631]

Love this content! Subscribed! Not sure what else you do but I love the name of the wind content

[@jessw4350]

YES I suspected Bredon was denna’s patron! Because in the wise mans fear bredon mentioned that he had even been dancing lately and then soon after Denna tells qvothe that her patron is a fair dancer! And I was like is it a coincidence? But now this video has me convinced it’s all the same guy it was Agatha- I mean it was Cinder all along~🎶 Also I have a feeling that old Ben is also cinder! I mean he just completely dropped out of the story, kinda sus if u ask me. Also it would be kinda perfect if cinder had been training him from the very beginning to take down heliax!

[@frankytheimmortal8527]

How did I literally never make this connection at all. Like I never connected any of it, and it’s all right there!

[@tuckerjohnson4082]

I don’t think they know he exists, he was only eleven.

[@StingrayMk1]

Ive been wondering about Abenthy, as well. Could he have started the beautiful game? Is he Cinder as well. The words "ashen" and "terrible" and "dispassionate", were used to describe him when Kvothe first called the wind and nearly died. Also wondering about the Tinker who met Kvothe on the road just outside Trebon. Why would he surrender a Lodenstone? And pay for the horse like that? Its too convenient. Cinder departing the scene. Arledin made reference to Lodenstones: he had seen one in Pelaresin. This mention is surely important. How could a Lodenstone just drop into Kvothe's hands like that???!!!!!

[@EldgeAble]

It makes me so excited when you guys have posted new king killer videos.

[@baijokull]

Please keep making Kingkiller videos! I'm waiting just as impatiently for the next Kingkiller book as I did for new Harry Potter books back in the day :D

[@baijokull]

And holy *****! I just looked it up and it's been 14 years since the Deathly Hallows was published!

[@josephnicholson2593]

Maybe Master Lorren, it would explain why he knew who Kvothe's father was

[@EnchantedStoryEars]

Interesting! I was wondering if any of the Chandrian are masters, since someone needs access to the archives to erase any mention of them...

[@josephnicholson2593]

@@EnchantedStoryEars until today I always thought Lorren is likely an Amir but now I'm split

[@FaithOriginalisme]

I think it's equally likely that Bredon is Master Ash, and that what the Cthaeh said was 100% true but super super misleading. It's entirely possible that Bredon was actually teaching Denna fighting techniques. Using his walking stick in a fight, and taking pleasure in helping her learn. I think Bredon being Cinder could be a red herring. Also, I think at least one of them is true.. Either Ash is Cinder OR Bredon is Cinder OR Ash is Bredon OR all of the above

[@Master_Failure]

Well.... Time to read the series again with these theories in mind. Not a complaint...

[@henok]

wow mind blown! You guys did a great job on this video!

[@MCjossic]

In regards to Denna’s patron, Master Ash. I don’t think he’s Cinder. Now before I say any more, I’d like to direct you to where I first heard this theory, a video titled “Denna’s Patron” by Captured in Words that does a much better job of explaining all this than me. If Denna was being abused I think she’d run. Disappear. She’s good at that. What I think is going on is that Master Ash is beating her in sparring matches. Don’t forget that the Cthaeh, while only able to speak the truth, is still malevolent. It’s very likely that it’s phrasing the truth in a way that could far too easily be misinterpreted. He’s recently taken to using his walking stick as a weapon for sparring as she improves. We see that Denna can fight when she defends the girl in the alley, and this could be a result of her training with Master Ash. Why Denna is training to fight I don’t have time to say here, so go see the video I recommended. As a side note, I also believe that Master ash is Bredon, with his ash colours.

[@williamwolfe962]

That wouldnt rule out Cinder as Master Ash though, he could just be less evil than he's made out to be. He would have no reason to hurt her, but the Cthaeh would definitely have a reason to set Kvothe on a path to kill Cinder and screw up CInder's plan to get rid of Haliax

[@michael305m3]

@@williamwolfe962 a lot of people think breden is an amyr

[@quitabanana3684]

I thought I’d heard every theory but this is new! That Cinder is using Kvothe!

[@eva060580]

What do you think... Is it a coincidence that the chancellor gets sick just after Denna finds out that Kvothe is learning Yllish? Could Cinder be involved?

[@bongo_baggins]

I finally got round to listening to the audiobook, on your recommendation. Just finished The Wise Man's Fear this morning, knowing there's no third book yet, and it made me sad hahaha

[@cameronlaplante8738]

Loving the theories! Keep them coming. Thanks for such a stellar book recommendation. 👍🏻