Is Citrus Pre Wash Better Than Snow Foam For Dirt Removal? Autoglanz Spritzer v Shiny Garage Citrus

[@ObsessiveCarDetailer]

Be carful Graeme, be very carful, you could be invited to join my snow foam cynic club🤣. Great video mate. As you know my go to pre wash is HDD Road Rage.

[@GMDetails]

I am very much a snow foam cynic now mate 😅 if these citrus clean better using it in the lance I may never bother buying another snowfoam EVER 🤔 Only weird thing is I found Road Rage works better as a spray than a foam 😤

[@ObsessiveCarDetailer]

@@GMDetails yep, I always use it as a spray in my multi sprayer

[@thedetailinghobbyist]

I’d certainly take a leaflet! 😂 Haven’t bothered with snowfoam on the last few washes I’ve done - it’s becoming a bit more of an extra step that isn’t necessarily benefitting me

[@ObsessiveCarDetailer]

@@thedetailinghobbyist 👍

[@jezlucas3878]

Has my application to join been accepted yet Martin

[@alantaylor2]

Good video Graham, i helped my neighbour clean his red Audi last weekend that hadn't been cleaned in over 2 years !!!! & he does heavy mileage. He has a really really cheap low power pressure washer so we used my Road Rage at 20:1 with no pre rinse or snow foam.. The results were truly remarkable after the power rinse off, i stopped him using Fairy Liquid for the contact wash & again supplied him with some GT One shampoo. He had no rinse bucket but the water & sponge showed absolutely any signs of dirt. The car actually looked beautiful for a 15 year old neglected & abused vehicle.. For me Road Rage is unbeatable in terms of cleaning ability & price.

[@GMDetails]

I was just saying to Martin that Road Rage wasn’t as effective as a foam but as a spray it’s brilliant , I think this is leading to a test of 5 citrus pre washes on the rear of the car when it’s dirty enough 😅

[@alantaylor2]

@@GMDetails Yes Graham, i've never even considered using Road Rage in a foam cannon but if you had seen the results on my neighbours car with a sprayer you would have been mightily impressed. I actually think it's better than Surfex HD.

[@alantaylor2]

Another big consideration Graham is that Spritzer is more than twice the price of Road Rage for 5L.

[@GMDetails]

Oh is it really?, I always thought Spritzer would be one of the cheapest, to be honest I rarely look at 5L prices of anything 🤔

[@DavidMcBay]

Another top video Graeme, for this winter grime a good citrus is the way forward, I haven’t used any of the 2 you used today however what you mention about different results on different days is so true, sometimes I use a product and think is fantastic then go to use it a week later on a different car and get completely different results!

[@GMDetails]

Thanks Dave!, I def think I’m going to stop pre rinsing and pre spray citrus instead , only thing is reviewing other brands snowfoam this will alter results of the foam 😤

[@SparkleanAutos]

Really interesting testing there Graeme and brilliantly edited together 👌🏼 I don't like having to use a 2nd hit of pre-wash but I'm even less of a fan of caustic products. I used Spritzer myself in my Quick Test Tuesday series (in fact it was the first ever episode) and found it to be a decent product, not the best pre-wash I've ever used but certainly worthy of a spot on the shelves 👌🏼 The fact that the Shiny Garage one dissolved the label in transit doesn't really convince me that I'd want to put it on my car too often!

[@GMDetails]

Thanks Mark!, I’d forgotten you’d tried it way back in episode 1 of QTT, Well I’ve already tried a few citrus pre washes now so maybe I’ll start the quest for what’s better than Spritzer 😅 The shiny garage doesn’t seem to be any more caustic than Garage Therapy Zero Decon, something between 1-3% realistically 🤔

[@SparkleanAutos]

@@GMDetails didn't realise until recently that Zero Decon WAS caustic! 👍🏼 I look forward to watching your research 😂😁

[@GMDetails]

Quick Citrus Test Tuesdays 🤣🤣

[@SparkleanAutos]

@@GMDetails 😂😂😂 ©️

[@andywhite2930]

Great bit of testing there with lots considered and planned out as usual with your vids mate. I was initially surprised at the results you were getting as I expected both to perform much better but it was great to see at the end you mentioning how one had performed better on a different day.👌 Just shows you can't always just slap a product on and base a solid review on one use🧐

[@GMDetails]

Thanks Andy, yeah I was really surprised at the free rinsing results , I was hoping to save some electricity not using the pressure washer 🤣

[@DetailBase]

Thoroughly excellent video Graeme. I was definitely much happier with spritzer when I used it last and citrus oil looks decent too. Also proves the need for a pressure washer I think too. Keep em coming 👍🏻

[@GMDetails]

Thanks Ben!, it was certainly a tough task for the products , left the dirt a bit too long but there are people who don’t clean their cars at all during winter and really struggle when the time comes to peel off months of crusty grime, results on the day were ok but I have seen them perform better but I’m intrigued now to try surfex, Autofoam and Toochless as a spray not foam, cleaner for cheaper maybe?, more tests needed 😀

[@thedetailinghobbyist]

Great video, Graeme 👍 Incredibly informative as ever! Good point about the pour style tests - definitely important to understand why that’s not a normal testing method

[@GMDetails]

It ‘can’ be if it’s realistic, like somewhere around 30-50ml of solution would be quite realistic to expect from an IK sprayer on a panel but not if you’re pouring 250ml it’s just unrealistic and may show the product performing better than it would normally If people doing these kinds of tests would only be honest about what they’re doing and not trying to win points or favours off brands 😤

[@triggerhappyautos]

Great video mate. Well put together. 👌👌 Both great products from personal usage and both worthy of having on the shelf.

[@GMDetails]

Cheers Sean 👌👍

[@Tim955w]

Hi Graeme, i hope you are well. Bit unrelated to this video but i could do with some help / opinions. My location in Devon has a hosepipe ban that is likely to last for a long time (areas in Cornwall have been restricted since last August). Detailing is such a passion for me so i need to come up with new processes that reduces as much risk as possible for cleaning my cars and motorbikes. It appears that garages will still have accessible jet washes so if this is the case my nearest option is 5 miles away. I could get to a garage do a dry pre-wash via say some IK sprayers using SurfexHD topped with a snow foam and then jet wash. When home continue a process if the condition of the roads are favorable. I live in a rural area that makes this hobby very challenging for much of the year, in the winter i often use completely contactless cleaning regimes at times when the local lanes have been ridiculously dirty and maybe this approach will have to suffice for periods😪. I have considered rinseless, but have major reservations even if my vehicles are cleanish i would probably not enjoy / spend more time trying to clean the huge quantity of cleaning cloths / mit's etc that i would probably go through. A water Butt might be possible longer term if i can get one in the right location (doubtful) plus concerns that any contamination in the Butt could be filtered effectively before being sprayed onto a vehicle (water would come from a stone tiled roof, so not great). Sorry if this is a bit long winded, i'm in a quandary as to the way ahead. Best wishes.

[@GMDetails]

Hi Tim, aw man that’s a real conundrum!! Water butts are more hassle than they’re worth in my opinion as you have the filtration to change / clean and the worry of legionella How about a pressure washer with a suction hose like Karcher have to use with a 20L bucket that way you’re not using a hosepipe? Other than that I would think using waterless or rinseless Wash to be your last chance in detailing 😭 Or move house 😅 Seriously tho I would forget all about snowfoam and stick with Surfex / Autofoam and use it through a pressure sprayer at your local garage maybe once a month , then using ONR to do a rinseless wash every weekend until you can get back to the garage pressure washer might be the best plan there Good luck mate

[@Tim955w]

@@GMDetails Cheers Graeme, I appreciate your comments, i've been a bit down on this for a few days so thought it would be a good idea to get in touch. Right all i need to do now is get a large container for some water another IK sprayer and connect up the K5 Karcher, plus of course inform the neighbours that i'm not using a hose!

[@GMDetails]

@@Tim955w using it this way will certainly make you conscious of water use, think you can get the Karcher barrel tube from Amazon and I would just use a 20L wash bucket for water, stupid really as you’re using less water connected to the mains than a garden hose does but rules 🥴

[@Tim955w]

@@GMDetails Yes it will be interesting to see how far I will get with a wash bucket, still times are changing and we need to do our bit, I was chatting with a neighbour earlier and they just assumed 1 small bucket would be fine for the entire car. Living in the countryside is nice but it’s rubbish for finding detailing enthusiasts. Take care and thanks again for your thoughts.

[@GMDetails]

🤣🤣🤣 that made me laugh mate , take care 🤣

[@talljim2m794]

Great video. Interesting as I am considering which route to go regarding pre wash as snowfoam Dosent cut the mustard this time of year. Do like the idea of a foaming citrus to give a bit of bit and dwell.

[@GMDetails]

Yes, exactly!!, if it’s a dilutable one just treat it like a snowfoam and start with the 50ml / 450ml water ratio and have fun !!

[@jimmcgeown2083]

Really enjoyed this video ,especially the testing I think Spritzer is a good product but when it comes to pre wash products I much prefer HDD Road Rage or Surfex ,looking forward to more tests like these 👏👏👏

[@GMDetails]

Thanks Jim, a lot of love in the comments for Road Rage, seems it’s more popular than I thought 👌

[@raw-amg4396]

Really starting to appreciate your videos really helps

[@GMDetails]

Glad you like them! Thanks mate 😀

[@benhook1850]

Ahhhh the one I’ve been waiting for… 👌🏼

[@GMDetails]

Hope it helped you Ben 😀

[@AntEloftheHouseofEl]

Great video. Although I still think Bilt Hamber Touchless kicks both their arses. Especially on price!

[@GMDetails]

Thanks mate, yes it’s hard to argue for price and if it works then that’s a no brainier , more testing then 🤣

[@AntEloftheHouseofEl]

@@GMDetails oh yes! Absolutely! Honestly, I've found most of their product hard to beat so far.

[@cb5806]

Thanks for taking the time to film this. I usually use a 5% citrus (valet pro or KKD) under UF or BH snow foam and find it does a good job, depending on how dirty the car is. Tried using snow foam in pump sprayer which some say is better but thought it dried out too soon. Interesting you swapped trigger heads, Ive been meaning to buy some replacements, what would you recommend?

[@GMDetails]

That’s interesting that snowfoam seemed to dry out I was thinking of trying this too but I’ll maybe not bother now 😅 I recommend 3 types of trigger heads , the Tolco , Canyon & Sema T8 Velo , they all have a turn adjustment for total adjustment of atomisation and don’t break the bank either 👌

[@sanmiguel4019]

I find the Tolco grey ones to be the best I've used and they are also chemical resistant, usually a tenner for 5.

[@GMDetails]

Thanks again mate 👍

[@cb5806]

@@GMDetails Thanks for the recommendation, I have some canyon and they seem good so I'll get some more I think

[@BrianW1612]

Both are brilliant as a pre-wash or foaming pre-wash. I think the Shiny Garage just edges it for me when it comes to cleaning ability. Both give Autofoam a run for it's money at the same dilution which is the biggest compliment you can give any pre-wash 👍

[@GMDetails]

I’ll need a part two then and test against Auto Foam and Touch Less 🤔

[@johnbrown3951]

Hi Graeme I use citrus pre wash topped with snow foam normally but on a really dirty car I use M & K HD Snow followed by Snow and get good results from that combination. To be honest I have never used citrus leave to dwell and rinse but I might do some testing myself sometime and see what my results are.

[@GMDetails]

Hi John, so 2 hits of snow are good enough to clean the car enough before your contact wash ?, awesome 👌

[@johnbrown3951]

@@GMDetails I suppose it depends on the level and or type of dirt on the car in the first instance and how well protected the paint is whether that is a sealant, ceramic coat or my favourite wax at any given time which is Jordyn at present. Then I suppose it is whether the individual is comfortable to contact wash after that process but it works for me. My car is well maintained but the starting point from purchase was not perfect unlike my Mini JCW which was 98% perfect before its Gyeon 5 year coating was applied. I hope you get similar results if you purchased those two products.

[@decker0373]

This is an excellent video Graeme, thank you. I've been a weekend warrior for about 9 months now, learning from guys like you, and I've never seen snow foam used via a lance, I didn't know that was even a thing. I've heard people say they add say 20-30ml to a snow foam, but this was new to me. Have you added citrus to a snow foam before? You also made another really interesting comment, re pump sprayers, I get through 2l per wash, albeit I do fire it over the whole car, and always get annoyed by the amount of product I use, so I think a trigger may be the way forward. Thanks again for your time and effort.

[@GMDetails]

Thanks Lee, I wouldn’t change how you apply it I was using triggers just to keep the test equal but I’ll certainly not be changing to applying it that way , for one thing you’re applying less product each spray so it’ll be less effective, your pump sprayer is just fine but maybe confine your spray to the lower parts of the car rather than all over it I’ve never added citrus to a snowfoam as I like to see what power the snowfoam has on its own, I don’t like adding one chemical to another as you don’t know how they might react together so I keep them well separated 🤣 I’d actually be happy to throw away 90% of my snowfoams in favour of just using Autoglanz Spritzer at this moment in time , I still haven’t found a better product yet

[@decker0373]

@GM Details thank you for responding and the advice 🙏

[@GMDetails]

Any time mate 😀

[@SUPERSID1968]

Great video graeme I've got the spritzer it's OK but with this winter road grime there's only 1 I use H D D ROAD RAGE the best in my opinion Martin over at O C D likes it to so can't be bad have you tried it ? Like your thoughts and opinions on it maybe a video keep up the good work 👌👍

[@GMDetails]

Thanks mate , if you look back the video catalogue to cleaning a manky Insignia , that was pre washed with HDD road rage 👍

[@tmphotography8443]

Goes to show a good pre wash really does do the job before a contact wash

[@GMDetails]

Every time!!, I think rather than pre rinsing before snowfoam (controversial) I’m going to start with a pre wash product first from now on 🤔

[@tmphotography8443]

@@GMDetails try case of try it and see a few times . If it doesn't work stop or if it does then even better

[@sixtysecondsofstephens2386]

Good comparison there Graham.

[@GMDetails]

Cheers mate 👌

[@ilikechickensausages2075]

KKD citrus i would like you to try that.

[@GMDetails]

Hmmm I actually believe I have that somewhere 🤔 I’m sure I bought some

[@ashhunt3514]

BH Touchless in a pump sprayer for the win 😊

[@GMDetails]

next time 💪🤣

[@jonlinder189]

Interesting results, I'll suspend the search for Citrus Oil on this look like Spritzer is just as good. Pour testing, yeah can see how that can massively skew results... better to pay attention to reviewers using the products correctly from now on 👌

[@GMDetails]

Cheers mate 👌

[@tripsingh3642]

Im surprised you did not do a dilution of 100ml for spritzer bottle states 25ml fir 200ml water, Great test though

[@GMDetails]

I’ll need to check my bottle as I don’t remember it saying it’s 25ml to 200ml dilution 🤔 25ml in the 500ml solution is 19-1 dilution and stronger than Autoglanz recommends to start at 25-1 but due to the level of dirt but it keeps the balance between the two products exactly the same (or as best as I could) Thanks for watching 👌

[@tripsingh3642]

@@GMDetails Thanks for the Reply apprenticed, I might of got it wrong could be 20ml to 200ml water, but in testing this stuff seems impressive 👍

[@GMDetails]

@@tripsingh3642 it is very good don’t get me wrong , it’s so versatile but dilutions are quite confusing on the website I feel 👍

[@gillywash1487]

Firstly wtf! ‘Happy detailing’? I think you mean ‘cheerie bye now’ 😂 I was expecting shiny garage to win this tbh, I’ve never used either but always hear it’s a cleaning beast but there wasn’t much between them at all. And I totally agree pour test are pointless and do not represent anything like real results 👊🏼

[@GMDetails]

🤣🤣 mixing it up a bit to see if you’re watching all the way thru 🤣🤣 yeah I think the grime was just too much for both chemicals at that dilution , maybe should have went stronger maybe 10-1 for a better result , don’t know what they are using on roads now but this salty mess is really sticky and difficult to remove but as I used the citrus oil previously with normal dirt it powered through it without any difficulty so bit of a weird day with the chemicals really. I have used pour tests before using garage therapy to compare but was only using 100ml but even that is pushing the boundaries of what you’ll use in reality , one thing is certain I’ll not be using a trigger spray to apply a pre wash now it’ll be the iK sprayer for better coverage. All very interesting results this time tho , I also never mentioned but the boot of the car had a graphene wax applied recently on the area around the numberplate and well, no sign of that still being there either now 🤣

[@vladkonstantinov2995]

Bilt Hamber HD Top!

[@GMDetails]

What dilution?, I assume it’s Surfex HD?

[@vladkonstantinov2995]

@@GMDetails 1:100 it all depends on how dirty the car is

[@GMDetails]

That’s extraordinary if it works well at that dilution, I’ll certainly give it a try thanks for the tip! 👍

[@garethdavies7564]

the best prewash i have ever used bilt hamber serfex hd

[@GMDetails]

I use that occasionally too, brilliant product 👌 If you look down the list of videos you’ll see the Ford transit Bilt Hamber clean , it’s a Halloween video so quite apt for this time of year 😅

[@tmphotography8443]

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