Is Coil Better Than Air? (DVO Jade X Review)

The time has come to talk about the DVO Jade X coil shock and give a review! We have gotten a lot of questions on what our preferences are between coil and air shocks! Coil gives bikes an advantage on the downhill while air shocks offer easy tuneability and a bit more playful feeling on the trails! The DVO Jade X bridges the gap with being a coil shock with a lockout. But is coil better than air? Let's talk about it!
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[@missiontrails5838]

Before I watch the video: I’m gonna take a drink every time he says: supple, poppy, and playful. I’ll update you after I’m done

[@missiontrails5838]

18 shots in 15 minutes. Went through a bottle of Jim Beam. See y’all after it kicks in 🤘🏼

[@moandhannahtravel]

hahahahaha

[@YanDoroshenko]

How about all in the same sentence?

[@174jmallas]

Best shock I’ve ever had. Still playful while traction is insane, and it loves to just eat chatter!!! I just rode suicide trail yesterday wide open and the shock paired with the onyx sc is gnarly!!! Best setup ever🤘🏽🙌🏽

[@moandhannahtravel]

So awesome!!!!!

[@ApexHerbivore]

Agree about their customer service. Really helpful guys at DVO. :)

[@moandhannahtravel]

Those people are awesome!!!

[@StaggerLee68]

Dude, I filled my air shock and air forks with ganja smoke. You gotta try it man, so smooth and much groovier rebound. Getting it in there takes a little practice and my lips hurt for a little while but it climbs much better and descends just dreamy. Indica in the rear and Sativa up front seem to work well but still experimenting. Peace brah.

[@hpkiunzy]

i like to run northern light in the rear and sour diesel in the front.

[@goride365]

I like running og in front and hybrid og in back

[@StaggerLee68]

@@hpkiunzy I'll give it try. I reckon it depends on terrain, suspension is very complex, as we know.

[@catalystJJ]

😂

[@cassysamel3914]

The only video that answers my question on jade x vs topaz. Liked and subscribed.

[@ChefIan73]

SWEET! Just finished building my Yeti sb165 with both the Onyx and the Jade X 🤘🏽💚🤘🏽

[@moandhannahtravel]

So awesome!!!

[@snowboardwa7560]

Nice review Mo. Thanks for taking the time to answer some of the questions a lot of us had on air vs. coil! Reaffirms the initial reasons I went with the Jade X on the AF. Looking forward to trying out the progressive spring! Sounds like the answer to the best of both worlds.

[@YanDoroshenko]

Thanks! That was about as clear as mud at night in a coal mine! I still have zero idea whether I should get the Ripmo AF with a coil and get a progressive spring or go for air. "It still keeps all the pop and playfulness of an air shock, but it doesn't feel as playful and poppy".

[@johnnyestrada2946]

Thanks! Just ordered my ripmo af -w- jade coil and carbon wheels upgrade! Yeeew!

[@Cdaley50]

DVO customer service is outstanding. I'm running the jade and the onyx sc on a Giant Reign SX 1. Freakin love it. Definitely gonna try and get my hand on a jade x.

[@highwaychile416]

whats your weight, frame size, and coil spec?.. Im 175lbs with a large. I just bought a jade x with 450lbs spring. Trying to compare to others.. Thanks dude

[@CRGT666]

What’s the size of your frame. I have a Reign 2 2020 size small, and ordered a Jade(not the x), hopping it fits right. Thanks in advance for your answer.

[@cammackey8259]

I bought this bike in a GX build kit with a coil over a month ago, if Ibis will ever send it to me it sounds like I will be stoked. I know Coronavirus plays a huge factor but my God I just want my bike 😭

[@mikestivers8302]

i had a Topaz 3 air on a shred dogg. the jade x is gonna be my first coil (for a propain tyee). oddly, both bikes have the same shock size, however the GG has 140 travel, and the Tyee is 160. the latter has a longer chainstay and is very progressive w/ the "pro10" suspension. im excited to try it out, when DVO does a custom build and sends it my way.

[@robbiemoody928]

How’d it’s turn out??

[@mikestivers8302]

@@robbiemoody928 the boys at DVO set the HSC/custom tune for the Tyee and my rider weight.. and suggested a 450# spring. it's lively, has more "pop" than i expected, yet hugs the ruts and divets like a champ. could be my imagination, but the coil is faster thru berms. i like it a lot, so far. is it bike park season yet? :)

[@joonchung9728]

I am planning on getting the exact same set up with the Jade X. Looks like $100 well spent upgrade. The way I see it, there’s a reason why coil shocks are still used for racing in all vehicles instead of air shocks. Now, if there’s a magna-ride shock for bike would be epic!!

[@moandhannahtravel]

So awesome!!!

[@shoeonhead]

The hell are you talking about? Cars have coil overs but many still have an air circuit. The RE:Aktiv series of shocks is designed from miniaturizing an F1 shock.

[@TheRealJoeMP]

Running a Jade X... wondering when that Progressive coil will be available

[@Table_Topper_Tony]

I love my Jade X Coil on my Ripmo AF. I am running a FOX 36 up front that compliments each other really well! I have a higher spring rate on mine that really helps it give that poppy feel on jumps with the rebound slowed down... it’s a dream! And to be honest, I ride my Jade X in the middle position on the lever, I RARELY ride it fully open and when I do, it’s only for the DH bike park days here in Colorado and I NEVER ride it fully stiff. I don’t need the stiffness because the bike already climbs really, really well! So the middle position does just fine! I hope this helps others if they are debating on upgrading to the coil 😊

[@snowboardwa7560]

Isn't your shock really loud in the middle setting? Don't know many people who use the setting because of that. Wondering if your use of a larger spring weight and closing the rebound makes it quieter. Interesting...

[@Table_Topper_Tony]

PNW Bike the squishyness is a tad bit loud and I contacted DVO myself to see if it was normal and if it needed a tune up or anything like that. They said that the middle position will give it a more squishy sound compared to having it fully open. They also mentioned that it was normal and that it “Rides beautifully but screams a little in delight.” But too be honest the sound doesn’t bother me, especially when riding. Once you start getting the tires rolling I basically forget all about it.

[@snowboardwa7560]

@@Table_Topper_Tony Did yours sound like this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m3mXlqNofdqNe9E

[@Table_Topper_Tony]

PNW Bike yup! Sounds just like that in the open and in the mid lever position. However my sound is not that bad compared to this guy. I think its because I have more psi in the bladder

[@snowboardwa7560]

Anthony Gonzalez That guy is me! Tried bladder at 170 to 190 and no difference. Only quiet with rebound all the way closed. Can’t tell if it’s bad enough to have to send in though. Definitely seems like a range people have been experiencing for the shock noise.

[@jpdirt289]

Dude I am picking mine up tonight, I cant wait to ride this thing!

[@dev_IL666]

So me being 192 pounds. What's spring should I use ??

[@JJaguar333]

Just deciding between the two for a second hand trek slash 9.8. I love the topaz on my 27.5 reign. The main dislike for me is the weight with coil but then again a LS spring looses the weight.

[@persistentconsistency]

Awesome review! Thank you Mo!

[@paulwrightson9222]

Heya I'm running whyte s150crs 27.5 with fox 38 factory grip2, up front dvo jade x 210x55 on rear off to fortwilliam 2morrow test for a week

[@bike_somm]

Nicely put! Cool shirt 👕 too! I’m sure the Fork stiffness would help aid the extra capability the coil adds too! Great vid yeeowww

[@moandhannahtravel]

Hope all is well with you guys!!!!

[@patrixdan2661]

You need the Lockout because you are using a too soft spring. At least the initial spring rate is too soft for your weight. At 200 lbs it should be around 500 lbs. I tried the progressive cane creek spring and the regular on the Af both 450 lbs starting spring rate. Both have 27% sag with my weight being around 80 kg and measured in a seated position with the dropper fully extended. The progressive spring felt too nervous for me. The original spring felt more in control and faster. Sorry for sounding offensive. I don't want to be rude.

[@abdulrazigibrahim1156]

I like Coile better than Air because you feel the preasure you put in the bike and it goes smoother than the Air, but I love both of them but for me it has to be coile

[@ShadLife]

I have the same bike with the non-coil shock. I really appreciated your off the top video and I was able to set up my fork to be completely dialed even though I run it pretty stiff because I jump a lot. Kind of cool I can get all this awesome info on the very bike I own!

[@moandhannahtravel]

So awesome!!!!!

[@themiddleagemasher8108]

I have the RAF and both shocks. The jade x is pretty rad.

[@SheaStott]

Love your videos. And love that your are running the ambassador show for the Ripmo AF! They chose the right person! I'm also running the coil. The shop I bought my bike from set me up with the 600 pound compression shock. I weigh about 204 lbs. This is the first coil shock I've used, so I didn't really know what to think and just trusted the shop. Do you think that is a good setup for me?

[@deisen123]

I personally like to keep my coil open when climbing. The traction is better on more technical terrain, especially if you can stay seated. And when I do use the lockout at least 50% chance I forget to open it for the downhill :)

[@moandhannahtravel]

hahahaha1

[@plmtb3694]

First of all, thanks for this video release! I must say I'm a bit disappointed tho.. In the fact that you don't compare the jade-x with the regular linear spring that us (common folks) is the only option we can get. I'm about same weight as you are and would have loved to hear your thoughts on the regular spring wich I run(mine is a 550).

[@caylanwojciechowski8233]

I was gonna say progressive coil?? what??

[@moandhannahtravel]

Hey!! So I have tested the regular spring in the past. The biggest thing is slightly less pop but still get that insane coil feeling! Not too much of a difference, I still think the coil shock on the AF is an awesome setup! BTW that progressive spring will be available a little later!!!

[@plmtb3694]

@@moandhannahtravel For a 200 lbs rider, would you say the linear 550 spring sits a bit higher with more mid stroke support / less pedal strike than the progressive 475-575 but the progressive one is more supple in the beginning with a bit more bottom out resist ? Its hard to understand where the ramp up happen on those progressive spring..!

[@talesfromthetrailz]

What were the differences between the linear and progressive springs? Which did you like better?

[@brysonmartin5405]

Damn Mo, you gave away from secret selling technique! Thanks for another great video and appreciate all the DVO love!

[@moandhannahtravel]

😂😂😂

[@talesfromthetrailz]

Did you ever try the cascade link?

[@haggy9420]

Is the Fox Float 36 grip 2 factory fork and Fox Float Factory X2 Shock upgrade worth it on the 2021 model??

[@JJMassar]

I too would like to know this.

[@4drcanyonracer]

Now that it comes with an Onyx probably not. The 36 is lighter though. The X2 is almost 1/2 lb heavier than the Topaz. The Topaz is a great shock on this bike. Better than the DPX2 for sure. If I was going to carry 1/2 lb more than the Topaz, I'd just put a coil on it.

[@mountainlessmtb9940]

Nice work🤘 one question how much adjustability do you have in that coil for people who either gain weight or go from a water bottle ride no gear to a full bike back whole day ride you could gain 20 plus pounds full gear and water

[@moandhannahtravel]

A bit of adjustablity but if its too much weight you might be better off getting 2 springs!!! You do have a preload adjustment that does help though!!!

[@mob4801]

I love my Jade X / onyx SC combo, gives my bike that mini DH/ free ride feel that I want with my gravity fueled/ bike park style of riding while still giving me a climbable platform. I have this sus mounted on a Peregrine high pivot Pinion gear box frame. I agree that the climb/ compression switch works wonders, reduces pedal bob to almost zero. I would like to try their progressive rate spring at some point to help with big hits and flat landings. Got any DVO swag left? I would love to rep/ support this brand. Thanks for the great reviews and set up vids!

[@siddarthjayaraman55]

Good content Mo. Did you ever run an Onyx and Jade X on your HD5? If so thoughts on that around climbs and descends? Looking it get that spec on my HD5. Thanks!

[@carlitovonflux3934]

Was the trail El Morro canyon ? Great video!

[@eduardoegea6732]

Mo there are reports of the damage to the shaft of the Jade x on some of these AFs. Possibly due to frame issues. Have you seen any of this?

[@BengLang84]

I have talked to one of the DVO people asking on what would be best suited for my stumpjumper alloy Topaz or Jade X. He said would be better to go woth Topaz because the alloy flexes more compared to a carbon. So I think that mifht be the case for the ripmo af's using a coil shock. 😀

[@AndresCottinamcottin]

Great video! The comparison is great. I'm curious if you think that a heavier rider will feel the benefits from the Jade the same way you did? Does rider weight affect the performance of the coil or air in a particular weight? Around 240lbs

[@jefftayne2015]

Great video Mo! It looks like you used a fair bit of preload on that setup. Do you still like that setup with the 475-575 and lots of preload or would you go up to the 525-625lbs one and run less preload if you had the chance?

[@andreiyarra7039]

Hello.. there is a appropriate air pressure for jade x?? Im 77kg without gear with 450lbs coil... thanks.. what is the set up?

[@iwhitty]

Do you think I would be well suited on a size large at a height of 5'8? Awesome video by the way!

[@ryanmrodriguez]

Cool vid. Mine is on the way !

[@moandhannahtravel]

Ryan is our favorite Influencer!!!!

[@robertwalker841]

would an e bike be better with a coil ? i have a norco sight v l t came with rockshox deluxe rt debonaire feels dead, thinking of getting the jade x ?

[@Arkane117]

Air shocks has never been better than coil as far as in performance. The only thing better about air is the weight and adjustability.

[@keithgerlack7264]

What’s the spring rate on yours?

[@brandonparrish7502]

Yooo, nice review. As you know I run the AF w JadeX. In regards to the lock out, I personally never go full lock out on climbs, just use the middle trail mode... because the lock out is seriously stiff! What spring is that? I just use the OEM 500lb.

[@moandhannahtravel]

Its a proto prorate spring available later this year!! 500 sounds good for you, if you want to try it out lets go for a ride and you can feel it! -Mo

[@cassysamel3914]

What weight are you? I'm prob 200 fitted and don't know if I should go 450 or 500

[@ghulammuradi6651]

Hi, i am looking to get the Onyx but I can not find one in a 37mm offset for my 2019 Transition Patrol?? I could only see the (diamond d1) available with that offset!! (37mm)

[@gary8313]

Hey Mo any idea why ibis removed the Gusset from the current ripmo af? Is the first Gen ripmo af stiffer ?

[@keithgarn9038]

What are the chances Ibis will offer a Onyx upgrade option?

[@Xribp]

can you show how to set up a dvo suspension fork or tune it? You guys are really good with mtb! Keep shredding and stay safe!!

[@tomhawk733]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qmStp395qr6SiZY

[@alexkeyes1706]

Compared to anything but a carbon Ripmo does the AF still climb pretty well?

[@moandhannahtravel]

Yes it climbs insanely well!!!

[@MartinTeerly]

I'm fat. 6'1" 135kg so I'm big lad. Should I get coil or stay air ?

[@stanislavisaev3920]

Does Jade X has some specific TUNE for a ripmo, or its just a regular aftermarket shock?

[@krush59]

the Jade X has one tune for all kind of bikes/suspensions?

[@Salvidrummer]

That looks like a fun trail. I gotta go riding there.

[@moandhannahtravel]

You should!

[@cliffsangelsphotography]

Do you feel the weight difference between your Ripmo and Ripmo AF during your climbs?

[@moandhannahtravel]

A little bit weight wise! But it isnt too bad!!

[@dadadeedee]

Hi Mo, what bottle size did you fit on your AF?

[@moandhannahtravel]

I use a 21 ox i believe!

[@chawkins45ify]

What progressive coil are you running?

[@boyuap]

what exactly poppy mean?

[@emmanouiltzavidas9119]

Its a term Ibis owners use

[@kevinread7660]

Why do you have Seth's Dog on your shirt? Drama or Oscar?

[@moandhannahtravel]

hahahah its a coffee bean company!!!

[@bradyhall579]

I had a AF with the Jade X and couldn't figure out how to get it to stop rattling. Anyone else experience this? It is so stiff in climbing mode and that was awesome.

[@tomhawk733]

Try a *tiny* bit of pre-load? Just enough to stop it rattling unweighted.

[@moandhannahtravel]

Yeah we would try what tom said as well!! Did you check in with the DVO guys about it?

[@Ridersgottaride]

Could never take a review on these mellow desert trails serious.

[@chrisparsons7329]

Nice outerbike water bottle! I actually rode with Hannah at 2019's Outerbike in Moab on of the big ride days with the loooooooooooooong fire road climb back to camp.

[@sml2238]

I think you mean "right off the bat" not "right off the back" lol

[@805mctrailrider8]

Nice

[@ttengineer404]

Mo, it’s ok to not yell at the camera. Lol. I always have to lower the volume when you are talking to the camera.

[@moandhannahtravel]

Sorry!!!!

[@simonarends7802]

@@moandhannahtravel O NOO YOU'RE DOING IT AGAIN!!

[@PoppoBikes]

That why there is a volume. Mo, is smooth and gives a lot of info in a short video.

[@Ariel-qk6wb]

First one to watch! Hehehe

[@moandhannahtravel]

😂😂😂