Is College A Scam?

[@returningwhisper]

College is ok. Putting people in debt to go to it is nonsense.

[@SlapStyleAnims]

This

[@asandax6]

That's the scam part. The reason scams are bad and classified as scams is that you don't get what you want and end up with a significant liability.

[@Danilio.]

​@@asandax6 👑

[@introvertedmadness]

you said it all

[@ru1ii1i]

I graduated high school in May and planning on doing community college either in the spring or next year. I’ve been feeling left out seeing my former classmates enjoying college. I wanted to go to a 4 year but couldn’t afford it and my parents wouldn’t allow me to pull out a student loan. This video made me feel a bit better about my decision. Thank you.

[@ear0604]

Making the right choice. Just be sure to focus on improving yourself mentally and physically

[@pf2611]

On the bright side, community colleges are more interactive in terms of student-professor relations and interactions between ppl in classes

[@evannatland5151]

You will have FOMO but no debt and you'll make some great friends at community college too.

[@cinnasticks_]

I’m in the same boat with you man. I graduated from High School this year and I did really well in school. I was going to go to a four year college, but for ONE semester, the cost of was going to be about five thousand dollars with the Federal loans included. My mom wasn’t fortunate enough to be able to save up money for me for some sort of schooling after High School, but I was. Not enough to be paying five thousand dollars for one semester. And, I don’t really know what I want to study yet. I have ideas. But now, I know I want to attend community college during the Spring Semester. I hope you do well with what ever comes next for you in life. Remember to be kind :)

[@ru1ii1i]

@@pf2611 I’m thankful about that (I’m autistic so smaller classes help me more than huge ones).

[@stonecoldscriber2767]

You bring up a lot of great points. I couldn't really even enjoy my own graduation because the whole time I couldn't shake the feeling that I had been scammed. College is overrated.

[@introvertedmadness]

hey i also had an ~interesting~ graduation so at least we're in this together. yeah college is overrated, i mean, what else is there to say lol. thanks for watchin & i hope u have a fantastic rest of ur day :)

[@amberelise4999]

I got to listen to a graduate student talk about how their graduate school experience (At least in chemistry/biology) was basically just fighting for their life for grants and scholarships for their field while also being expected to work as a TA, grade papers for the professor, conduct lab research and gather data, and basically live on campus for 12 hours a day b/c they didn't have time to go home. My college also didn't have enough professors, so it was very common for full term courses to be taught by TAs. Some were great, some were absolutely abhorrent and made my life a living hell. I also had a genetics class where it was tradition to switch to a different professor half way through the term (I still don't know why they did this), so you had to learn a whole new teaching and testing style while trying to survive your other classes and life. It was awful.

[@korakatk318]

Yeah universities treat their grad students terribly. My first year physics TA told us you have to be a masochist with naturally good brain-chemistry if you want to go to get a PhD here.

[@amberelise4999]

Lol some of my TAs were the most cynical and sarcastic people I've ever met. Put me off graduate school real fast.

[@introvertedmadness]

yeah i didn't mention this in the video but i feel like academia and its myriad problems is itself a huge rabbit hole. grad school i've heard can be hit or miss. also sorry to hear about what happened to you in college, i feel like everyone has a horrible college story like that and i feel like stuff like that just shouldn't happen lol, especially not when its so expensive. thanks for sharing your thoughts, hope u have an amazing rest of ur day :)

[@ChrisF-jt1qf]

There isn't another profession kess receptive to criticism than college teachers lol

[@suhasmalasani4751]

I LOVE INTROVERTED MADNESS

[@introvertedmadness]

i love u dawg

[@jannadominguez7858]

I recently recommended a friend who has lots of experience, is a veteran and great person, the excuse not to continue with his interviews : "he does not have a college degree", no matter what good things I said about him. it's so dumb they do this, this guy has better skills and experience than any of the people they've hired.

[@introvertedmadness]

yeah stuff like that is messed up!! and the weird thing is it doesn't even work for employers, like they should want to hire this guy who sounds like would be a great employee. ahhhh!!!!!!

[@max9940]

I love the dog just trying to get some attention every shot

[@pamelqtaylor8335]

Screw this college talk study getting me pets bro!😂😂😂

[@introvertedmadness]

CLASSIC moose

[@bobmeyers186]

I graduated with a BS in data sci, but never learned how to actually apply that in the real world, like in a business scenario. Now I'm stuck at a job where i don't know what I'm doing. I got basically all As in college too, but years later i barely remember any of what i learned. They just feed info to kids hoping it would stick

[@harrison5347]

Do you think A's matter? Were you ever so stuck up or strict with what your GPA was?

[@nolanjones1027]

@@harrison5347 Somebody didn't get good grades in school

[@bluegamer07]

Hey man, I’ve know you since early 2020 back when I was an innocent freshman looking to get into stanford (I didn’t get in). I am so glad to see your channel grow and I appreciate you continuing to make videos.

[@justafrogdrinkingboba]

Same here dude (I am now bear)

[@introvertedmadness]

im overjoyed you're still around, thank you for being here :) and u too frogdrinkingboba. i hope u both have magnificent rest of ur days !!

[@justafrogdrinkingboba]

​@introvertedmadness omg this is so wholesome tysm!! (I now go to berkeley)

[@Limoncitolol]

My bro is speaking str8 facts. Like it’s helpful to have a college degree but not ultimately necessary but still useful.

[@Shellnanigans]

I was laughing at your dog the whole time! He clearly loves you and is very interested in the backdrop

[@judywuu]

so happy to see you posted, watching your videos are a highlight of my day when they pop up

[@Phoca_Vitulina]

Totally agree that college is too expensive (see always building new sports buildings, the increase in admin roles, their president earning millions, etc) and is used as a gate-keeper for many jobs that def don't need it. I really wanted to go straight to vet med school, but like human and vet med, I had to go through 4 years of undergrad before that. You don't need it, but I would say undergrad is a good way to get better education and expand your perspective as an individual instead of your parents or area's ideology. Also it gives opportunities to go abroad and expand the perspective in that way too. The debt is way too high, I've paid off undergrad debt but vet med school debt is insane (like the usual debt to income ratio is 2:1 after you graduate) and after switching careers into tech, am still struggling to pay my monthly payments. I wish we gave very reduced tuition for public universities and community colleges like so many other countries do. Where you can actually learn for the internal benefit of that. Also hell yeah apprenticeships!

[@ALIVE-Company]

I was really vibing to the bossa nova song in this video, but it was covering up your audio a bit :(. I also totally agree with your points, isn't it crazy how we needed to take several years of "general elective" courses rather than just getting specialized courses in what specific task or role you want in life. It's annoying how expensive knowledge is, but it is something that people cannot take away from you.

[@HJima]

I have been thirsting for your content man, thank you.

[@HJima]

Sidenote: College is a scam as far as it being high quality. It isnt as good as its advertised, but we should hold ourselves higher than college's standards and make the most of all resources accessible to us if we have the privilege of accessing it anyways. A lot of people have lack of self agency/motivation, and I think college/professors/mentor roles exist as that figure that pushes you to do it. But also, you can get that outside of going to college, taking private lessons, courses from professionals etc.- it's just something that people sort of forget or eject from their minds as a non traditional avenue. Some people (like me) that are self motivated, could've probably taken the non traditionalist route, but honestly couldn't afford that route, and took the traditional route caused it was covered due to low-income=most tuition being covered by grants. Personally I think not even just college, just life is as you make it depending on how you go about figuring out whether something doesn't serve you as much as you'd like (like college)- and what you're going to figure out what else can. Kinda corny but, life is at the end of the day what you make it, good or bad. My design program was really good, but also really shitty cause faculty were a bunch of egomaniacs. Did they know what standard to uphold? Yeah, but also they weren't good as teachers with empathy, were their lessons good? Sometimes but not really, and most KZbin resources were a lot better and taught us more than any lecture we had with them. All faculty did it try to mold us into little perfect designers to make their department look good. I think if you are someone who has no idea where they are or what standard to uphold to themselves in their major/interest, having that kind of mentor that whips you into a standard probably helps but its not always healthy. I've met people in the industry that got their higher roles without a degree (or not as high of a degree), than those that went to college who have mid to lower roles. I think some people know who they are and go about in life knowing they can get somewhere specific and dont let others standards impact the way they go about their skills/career. I've seen people with and without degrees be super amazing and make really cool stuff and get recognized for that, but across the board the common denominator was that they were dedicated into whatever they did with the traits of either: being disciplined, being obsessed in their line of work. And those traits, can be a challenge to build if your college/department doesn't ram that into you like in a bootcamp. And even if you are in that bootcamp, the experience drains all the enjoyment out of you. Refining your majors skills, also doesn't include the plethora of other things you should know ie. communication in business, pitching, making deals etc. That's all extra stuff we have to learn when you are thrown into your first job. You're lucky if you can attend workshops or take private courses that can help you in those areas, but not everyone can do that on top of an already exhausting program. Being a human that is expected to max out ALL of their stats is just exhausting. College is exhausting, and not enough in quality, even when you're maxing out your stats in both college/personally its too much. At the end of the day go at your own pace, and do what's feasible for you. College or not college, if you're really good at what you do, you can get places most cant with or without a degree. It's dumb that society puts a YOU MUST DO COLLEGE, but honestly its not that deep as long as you're a skilled person, decent human being that can communicate and be chill. I'm just rambling I have too much college overworking trauma.

[@Shellnanigans]

Background music was too loud, I had trouble hearing you Love your videos thank you

[@introvertedmadness]

manifesting that i WILL MASTER AUDIO thank u for watching and i hope u have a wonderful rest of your day :)

[@Websurfer912]

introveted madness being there for me whether its college, employment, therapy or mainstream media. badly punctuated rant ahead: at one point i wanted to apply EVERYWHERE. now i dont. i did research all throughout highschool and finally arrived to the conclusion that college is scam. senioritis and crashing economy is hitting hard. i dont want to spend the hard earned money of my parents all at once for a degree that i am not even completely sure about. i wish i had the time around to basically be clueless and go on a self discovery journey but i cant. i have to be realistic. i know many people are in the same boat. at least with my major i can teach myself things. all of these things have put me in a rut tbh. i wish to learn but all i can get is to study.

[@chicooliveira432]

As a brazilian broke unemployed college student I love to listen that lovely bossa nova while you speak about the catastrophic reality we are living in 😀

[@sunsetter4940]

I think something akin to apprenticeship should be available at younger age, I literally picked my major at the last minute after never knowing what careers are really like. Is that my fault? partially yes, but I never had any chances to actually learn what jobs were really out there. Maybe high schools should actually teach people about careers if that's what school is really for: Getting a job.

[@LadanAbdi-g2z]

YAYAYAYAYY NEW INTROVERTED MADNESS VID THANK YOU SO MUCH

[@ckvo77]

I think college and higher education is a good thing in of it self, when you consider the all the connections you make with different people of walks-of-life, self-growth attained, knowledge/material you learn from people with expertise. I think the underlying issue at hand that makes college scammy is for profit systems (capitalism, wage slavery) that support and encourage the price gouging, exploitative, and predatory nature of modern colleges.

[@TheresaReichley]

Library cards are free. Why pay $20,000 a year to read books for self improvement?

[@DonJaKobe]

Haha I was just looking up your Surviving New York video cause I remembered watching it awhile back. Glad to see you’re still making new videos.

[@deltacharlieecho4732]

I went to one of the best art schools in the country for graphic design. I spent my time there being told that I didn't belong because I was a straight white male that didn't have a story of adversity to tell. I got my AAS in Computer Graphic Arts from a tech college and moved up to the big boy art school and dealt with being told I didn't belong from all sides including other students and professors. I started this process in 2008 actually in high school and at that time Graphic Design was supposed to be the fastest growing field for the next 20 years. It was dead in 6. Now I've got a very high level understanding of gestalt principle, design language and function, and can design just about anything, you know what I do for a living? I build, move, and install fitness equipment and I'm built like a god damned berserker. College isn't just a scam, it's a gamble and our parents and teachers sold us into wage slavery using it as the basis for "not having to ask if you want fries with that" for a career. Shit, I don't even have a career just a series of jobs that has resulted in me starting the process of starting my own business and leaving the worker class into the owner class. College did nothing for me besides set me back. Because of college, I don't gamble. I've lost enough on the slots.

[@christianchellis9057]

Even though I went into massive debt without much to pay it off, I would not say it’s a scam. It’s so much fun.

[@korakatk318]

He’s back!

[@introvertedmadness]

:) we are so back

[@alexantenen]

iconic. my hero. saying what the people are thinking.

[@menjolno]

number one way to get rid of high tuition is to ban loans. no loans mean less supply of money which menas less costs. and yes, colleges can easily function with just the tenth of the money they get from tuition. and on the other hand, that also means that 6000 dollars to first time home owners would mean approximately 6000 dollars increase to average home price.

[@nolanjones1027]

Banning loans basically means screwing over people who cannot afford the price of tuition. Not so sure about the hypothesis that every college, especially those state colleges, could do well with a tenth of the tuition.

[@pcrystalmarie3411]

I love your videos! Keep doing what you do.

[@Luna_tuna--1]

Just go to community college first! I wasnt sure what i wanted to do for a while after high school and getting my general education done in community college allowed me time to figure out what I wanted to do while paying basically nothing compared to a four year. It also allowed me to save up money for when I transferred into my masters program so now I can pay off most of that schooling as well. Now I have a job in the field I like while having almost no debt while most of my friends that went to a four racked up a huge student loan debt. Yeah my journey probably wasn't as fun or glamorous as going to a four year but it set me up for a less stressful future.

[@rvztyclips2745]

babe wake up introverted madness posted

[@bemnets8757]

glad your back!

[@seanieboi8619]

All the languages and he chose to speak facts

[@mrhockey9723]

Thank you unc for the great points, I will infact give this video a fat thumbs up and a subscription maybe next week

[@CCLethe]

Last time I was this early I was still happy :(

[@muhammadidrees7571]

NEW DROP LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@min-yishen9324]

the sound quality is getting whole lot better

[@Circe-wz3kg]

Introverted madness we fucking love you

[@JuliaGarbe1]

I like this format

[@jiri6691]

I was studing for 5 years (EU, so free). And while that, I started running my own business. Did not finish school. Parents now hate me, but I make good money..

[@fireblade3682]

As a portuguese speaker it's really hard to follow what you're saying with the bossa nova lyrics on the background.

[@ItsJustPreVR]

WGU-5k-problem solved. Also, i love these videos. Give it 5 years, wait until you leave that young san fran bubble.

[@JohanaSchwartz]

Thanks!

[@alfred8936]

It's fun to think about the fact that because I dropped out of college due to a mental health issue and can't afford to go back, I likely won't be able to earn a reasonable wage or move to another developed country for the rest of my life

[@ron357]

I think trade school is much better option i joined the military and got my trade there now i get paid alot more for it that im out but had i not gone i wouldve got a trade saved up and started sum kinda simple business

[@TheSuperion123]

Whats the background music for this video?

[@icyside123]

Thank you Professor Madness, I wish you could’ve taught my college courses

[@saplings8901]

Nice shadow on the green screen, how did you do that after you key it? Also some low intensity fill light on the left side (viewer perspective) can help with the green screen light reflecting onto your face.

[@krishp1104]

Just graduated this summer at 21 and I'm making $130,000 yearly now with no debt (worked thru college with help from parents). It wax worth it for me, but I completely agree 85% of jobs don't need a college degree as a requirement

[@bacool]

What job? That’s pretty good for a new grad

[@krishp1104]

@@bacool Software Engineer as expected lmao

[@krishp1104]

@@bacool Software Engineer as expected lmao

[@littlekid1177]

Song name?

[@Raymond.D99]

Music is unnecessary and distracting.

[@bobmeyers186]

Yeah just a bit loud I can barely hear him lol

[@h0110wkn1ght-y]

It's nice... But distracting

[@GigaSeadramon]

Such a cute doggo

[@4futureme947]

I’m so lost now that I’m out of college, every job is a minimum of 1year work experience but no one hires you so what I’m supposed to do ??

[@zhilinskysproject5543]

College in itself is not a scam, but it should not be as expensive as it is especially for large public colleges. I do disagree with the idea that colleges should be shaped solely to serve the market though because there are many fields that are not very profitable but still beneficial for humanity such as physics research or public health research.

[@mrbeastjr549]

Bro like frank ocean but he actually drops

[@metasodium2170]

Song name?? It’s kinda fire

[@HeraldKros]

I can't imagine living in a country, where you need to pay for education directly. Here the tax payers pay college, so we don't have to pay a single penny as young people. It's a simple generational contract, that the US just can't grasp. Maybe because the politicians are more interested in personal profit, than moving a society forward.

[@田子墨-o1y]

Didn't yet watch but clicked like.

[@ollielon5926]

In terms of the actual education, generally no. In terms of cost, yes.

[@Maria-yx4se]

i cant believe you had to film and cut every second cause you had to change the poster behind you every often

[@novonick0081]

You should read Caplan’s The Case Against Education

[@crunchipscrust]

finally a non-minecraft vid again

[@SAZO12699]

WE MISSED YOU.

[@nanaa.frimpong7485]

whats the name of the song you play

[@booky8391]

But if ppl don’t go to college then how can I (as a Wall Street banker) make money off of ppl just trying to be more educated??

[@mochochochoo]

college should be like 1-2 yrs for courses that are 80% self learn I mean professors don't really teach they just give activities ,exam then show up a few times in class... can't complain since I didn't pay a single penny for 4 YRS grateful for that.. but I feel like I wasted a lot of months when I can just use that for real life job learning

[@mtd_mike3938]

Turn the music down bruh

[@ritardstrength5169]

Good points, but didn’t you go to Stanford, an unquestionably elite university? College in the median may not be worth it, but hardly anyone can ignore the financial payoff of the caliber of education you yourself have received.

[@hannmaster]

pleaseee tell me the song that's playing in the background

[@KentoSkyHladilek]

if college is the cheapest option to find opportunity in a different city, then maybe yes. Otherwise move there normally

[@leonardmoodly3799]

What’s the background song called?

[@7_swans]

what’s ur spotify man

[@cub-square]

Okay i don't want to be that guy... But as a European I am going to collage and I don't need any loans just money my family saved over years for my college

[@burneraccount6116]

Bachelors degree is the new high school diploma, if you don’t go to college I feel like employers will think something is wrong with you😊

[@jasonreviews]

yes.

[@esqueleto2252]

“Yes”

[@h0110wkn1ght-y]

Anyone please give me the song's name 🙏

[@bacool]

Do one on if we’re at the end of capitalism now

[@theBlackhanded]

spitting 50000000000000000 facts

[@Did.You.Forget]

Yes.

[@introvertedmadness]

i am so good at persuasion

[@adamcharming]

College is generally pretty good. Just not in the US.

[@minecraftplayee]

PLEASE upload more 'Surviving ______' videos they were so funny please :pray:

[@MatthewMizanin]

I think you’re mixing apples with bananas - just because college is a scam, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t go. Unless you start a movement which changes the societal notions, it is still advisable to go through college, even if the knowledge attained is useless for the job following after - even if you have to take a loan, your earnings potential is in reality a lot higher.

[@EstivyWonder]

Bro, you can summarize the whole college thing in “capitalism” Not trying to be a socialist or anything regarding that but… in MY opinion, we are paying (yes I’m paying my college too) so that the institution teach us how to be “a good worker” Again, this is myyyyy opinion, if you don’t agree with me that’s okay, I mean sharing opinions for me it’s how we can achieve the knowledge…

[@yesno5286]

im getting butthurt wathcing this video, i do more then submit assignments on time and wake up before 12 ...

[@bacool]

No but crypto is def a scam

[@harshmellow5026]

Wait lil bro yu still unemplyoeD :6

[@jffj35]

no it's not

[@AB-rc8wb]

Wat the dog doin

[@nonostalgia]

8:42 doggy nose

[@josheskenazi172]

Real

[@markzakharyan]

hello mr madness

[@TheresaReichley]

The “college grads make more meme” is misleading. The reason college grads make more isn’t a bonus, it’s because high school grads in America are unemployed more or less. You’re not doing better because of college, but it’s the default requirement. Furthermore, absolutely none of those datasets included the debt taken on to get the college degree. It can cost 100K to pay off the loan, and so until you make 100K, that doesn’t really count because you’re working the first 10 years to pay for college. You thus truncated your effective earning years by 5-10 years to simply pay to make money, plus the time you’re in school and not making money (for many, that’s 5 years as well) meaning that you are working 20 fewer years than someone who never went to university. So if you took those twenty years at median income of $40K a year that’s $800,000 you lost for college. Unless you’re making substantially more than the median salary, it might well ultimately be a loss.

[@sirolemayo]

nice tv, i bet you had to go to colleges to be able to buy a nice tv like that

[@Danilio.]

🤦🏾

[@po0p0op33p3e]

I dont have money to go to school. I need school to make money....wtf am i supposed to do

[@Danilio.]

See that's the problem, you think you *need* college when you really don't. That's for lie that society has been feeding you. If you wanted to get a job in tech, you can teach yourself how to program for free, no college needed. Many jobs these days don't even require a degree, and there's other options like the trades.

[@-BarathKumarS]

going to a top college is not scam,like you going to harvard and what not

[@FictionHubZA]

I literally can't not go to college. It's my get rich or die trying. lol.

[@Danilio.]

🤦🏾

[@Nchinnam]

I hire people who are committed to completing something that proves they will be dedicated to work. so college, military or anything for 3-4 years of consistent growth

[@klyetruman7285]

College is not about getting a damn job. You people are annoying af with this same talking-point. No one makes you go. No one makes you get a useless degree. Whoever said college is supposed to get you hired was a list. Colleges don't even guarantee employment.

[@mansextrathin.skinny5469]

Song?

[@obhwg]

Yes.