Is Cyrillic better for Polish?

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[@yuvalne]

"you only find things intuitive because you've used them your entire life" is a very important message for quite a lot of people

[@KohaAlbert]

Yes! But then there's also aspects like literary tradition...

[@danielsykes7558]

It's like "common sense"

[@lukesmith8896]

@@danielsykes7558 absolutely

[@gljames24]

​@@danielsykes7558I'm always frustrated by people who taught about common sense for something that is clearly a skill. Everyone has to be stupid before they learn or should be taught instead of mocked.

[@pooroldnostradamus]

Indeed. Which is why nothing should ever change, because anything new is unintuitive.

[@TissueCat]

Clearly Polish should be written with Hangul.

[@hoangphuc6583]

clearly all languages should be written with hangul

[@luki7614]

Return to Great Hwan Empire pre-the hyperwar

[@osakablinladen]

i was born in the wrong timeline

[@artemartem2745]

예스체 뽈스까 녜 즈기녜와

[@frafraplanner9277]

Unironically yes

[@ChanChunTo-o4j]

Clearly Polish should be written in logographic scripts, who doesn't love thousands of characters to memorize

[@埊]

你对对。

[@Ptaku93]

Chinese hanzi for Polish when

[@commenter4898]

But what about the inflections? Are we going to mix two scripts like Japanese? 認為ę, 那e是好ny點子ł.

[@Vatoxido]

Yeaaaahhh!!!!

[@markmelvin4254]

The entire Unicode emoji

[@Salv2137]

All of that so we can differentiate tar-zan from tażan

[@TheCzele]

Remember marznąć!

[@SaturnineXTS]

Funnily enough we can't really do it in Latin either :D I think at the end of the day the easiest would be to modify the letter "Рр", since it has moved too far away from "r" in pronunciation to make sense to include it unchanged. Ker-Murza - Кэр-Мурза Burza - бур̌а

[@magpie_girl3741]

But somehow no one cares about "siny" and "s-inus" (there is only one commonly used word with "r-z" in the root: "marznąć" ("Tarzan" is English name (shouldn't we now add all this foreign letters to the Polish alphabet, so foreigners feel at home writing their names and surnames in Polish? ;))). But the amount of words where the -i is not palatalizng the previous consonant is big - someohow you don't here foreigners crying about it ;) It's because they don't cry that you as L2 need to learn every modern Russian word by word from dictionary because you don't know if it has "e" or "ie" in it ;) "Intuitive script" my ass...

[@sylwiatime]

@@magpie_girl3741 There are also mirza, obmierzły, murza, and some Polish personal names like Nowe Marzy, Rzy, Mierziączka etc.

[@watchmakerful]

The easiest way to avoid this confusion is to write rz as rż when it is a single sound. In this case rz will unequivocally mean r + z.

[@GuilhermeBF]

Polish should be written with Chinese characters

[@prywatne4733]

holy hell that would require more gymnastics than Japanese kanji already does, but considering that that language which is not suited for the script at all somehow manages to do it, I believe it would be possible

[@埊]

是的，我写这圭。

[@Ptaku93]

Inb4 the next video on this channel is exactly that

[@CoyotesOwn]

Simplified Hanzi or traditional hanzi?

[@GuilhermeBF]

@@CoyotesOwn a little bit of both, as a treat

[@BaldiReycaster]

No my 95 year old grandma from Zadupie Dolne* four miles down the road from the Ukrainian border still pronounces them as 2 separate sounds! You can't just merge them they're totally different! 7:34

[@g-manchanel1710]

That was the most funny thing in the entire video xD

[@lookash3048]

For 99% of Polish speakers they are the same. Moreover in majority of Poland they never were pronounced differently.

[@polynomialofmanynames]

Let's turn the tables and start pronouncing them differently just to spite whoever /j

[@CHEpachilo]

Sorry, I dont speak polish, but did I get correctly that "Zadupie Dolne" is basically "Нижний Зажопинск"? I dont know how to translate this toponym to english... "Bottom behind-ass"?

[@g-manchanel1710]

@@CHEpachilo Да, но это ближе к нашим Малым Залупкам

[@mmcworldbuilding5994]

You should do a video about using Cyrillic for Irish. We have the same hard soft consonant distinctions but how our orthography handles is it is by the vowels touching consonants and making them hard (a o u) or soft (i e). And since Irish is obviously not a Slavic language there will be other fun hurdles to overcome like lenition etc

[@dvv18]

Lenition shmenition… Do you know how they say "солнце" in Russian? "сонцы" (or rather "сонцъ" if you use the hard sign the way it was supposed to be used originally). No biggie.

[@supermario69kraftgami23]

Irish could go back to Germanic runes or Celtic Ogham script.

[@xpehkto]

@@dvv18 Every child in Russia pronounces Л in солнце until school age when they become harassed by parents and teachers for it.

[@dvv18]

@xpehkto Only those kids who learned the word from books. Certainly not this kid when he was a kid, not other kids he knew as kids, not his kids either.

[@mc5574]

Great idea!

[@rorikkusu]

I think the people arguing that Polish should switch to Cyrillic are mostly non native speakers who are extremely confused by the Polish Latin orthography and find the Cyrillized form way more legible because the letters actually make the sounds they know should make based on other languages that use those same letters. It's basically a roundabout way of wishing Polish used a more "mainstream" orthography that has more in common with other languages that use the Latin alphabet, such as changing ł > w, w > v, etc.

[@ker0h489]

As a non-native having dipped my toes into studying Polish, for me this is 100% correct. I could finally read the Polish presented in this video without much problems. These "problems" being ,that my brain has difficulty adapting to Polish orthography.

[@skoczek777]

I've seen 2 routes: either make it Cyrillic usually using Russian as a basis (ew...) or make it more similar to other West Slavic languages by just slapping Czech orthography into Polish. Ofc completely disregarding the entire cultural and historical legacy of Polish orthography and language

[@vulpes7079]

People just wish the Polish orthography could actually make sense

[@-mikroplus1936]

Yeah, as a Russian, it was easier for me to read Polish written in Cyrillic, and I found more words to be the same or similar to Russian simply because they were written in Cyrillic

[@osakablinladen]

I'm a native speaker and i argue for it because I'm extremely confused by polish orthography "but how did you even learn english" i type something like "you look four mill your" like every second day

[@jgfjfgjfhjf]

Technically, it could work just fine, but trust me - Poles would pick Japanese writing system(s) or revert to runes over Cyrillic any day

[@Mroquelle]

Wait, wdym revert? We never used runes.

[@jgfjfgjfhjf]

@@Mroquelle it does not matter if we did xd

[@aminadabbrulle8252]

@@Mroquelle But Goths living here before Slavs did.

[@ivanmatveyev13]

Sure, they will do everything, to appear more German.

[@Askorti]

I would sooner communicate solely with smoke signals and pigeon noises than use cyrillic.

[@thatotherted]

The Greek-Polish alphabet proposal looks like fun, but also evil. Evil fun?

[@PanRobak.]

If evil why fun?

[@firstnamelastname8684]

"polish should use cyrillic because of palatalization" is boring. what we really need is for irish to use slavic because of palatalization

[@Mroquelle]

What is "slavic"? What, a slavic script? What is that exactly? There's no such thing.

[@nejkajaryba1710]

there is a goofy spelling system for russian using irish spelling lol

[@Torantes]

​@@nejkajaryba1710 WHERE?!

[@ChirkunovIvan]

@@Torantes I read the Irish epic translated into Russian and the proper names look amazingly beautiful.

[@osasunaitor]

I would pay to see this

[@maestro9765]

"Polish should be written in cyrillic" is an odd way to say that you hate the letter z.

[@wormball]

or love the letter z (if you know what i mean)

[@maestro9765]

@wormball Yeah, that as well

[@Nick-rs5if]

People think Polish is bad when it comes to digraphs/trigraphs. I am a Swede, allow me: sj stj sk skj stg sc sch sh ch xi xj zh rs rz rsz tj dj hj gj lj gi ge gn ng rd rl rn rt Yes, these are all bigraphs/trigraphs, most of which are pronounced exactly the same in modern, Standard Swedish.

[@riccardozorn1822]

How is this even legal? You swedes are mad...

[@Miczka1988]

That is still about third of what I teach my students in English phonics. Also, I don't believe the phonics programme we use is not exhaustive, e.g. it misses quadrigraphs.

[@GdzieJestNemo]

you don't teach them to kids as separate letters though, they are just kind of there : )

[@pncka]

oh god.

[@dmitrilebedev8635]

Rome has fallen 1600 years ago, why u keep usin their script? Runes FTW.

[@onodera3964]

Wow, you know someone whose grandma is from Zadupie Dolne? It's a great place if you want to get away from it all and unwind.

[@dvv18]

My grandma was from a village like that… But its name is a bit different and it's closer to the border of what is now Belarus, so it doesn't count.

[@TypekMD]

i wonder how many people know thats an actual polish town

[@Mroquelle]

​@TypekMD Let the gaslighting commence

[@sakesaurus]

dupa is ass i think

[@karapuzo1]

@TypekMD as a Мухосранск naitive I believe you.

[@Dara-wk5ty]

There are some native Tatars who wrote Polish in Arabic

[@flameguy3416]

Well if a caliphate ever invaded Poland they'd have a good template for the new language.

[@AngryDrake]

You have a remarkably Polish-accent-free English pronunciation.

[@prywatne4733]

I don't understand why this type of comment is so popular. Just because he is Polish he is supposed to have a super obviois accent?

[@pooroldnostradamus]

@prywatne4733 Yes.

[@user-ih3vx]

@prywatne4733except he isn’t polish

[@kisiel901]

@pooroldnostradamus Maybe older people have an obvious accent, but younger people often can speak it so well you wouldn't even be able to tell, and because of that you think all Poles speak english poorly because of cognitive bias.

[@floppyearfriend]

@prywatne4733 it's not that he doesn't have an obvious accent, is that he has basically no polish accent at all. I've seen a ton of non-native english speakers, and even the best, most fluent ones I've seen almost always have some kind of accent. Hell, I've been speaking English since I was 9 (16 years ago) and I still have a noticeable accent that's essentially the only thing that outs me as a non-native. This guy has none of it, and such an accent-free speech is remarkably diffcult to acquire.

[@mohamedyounis6470]

Clearly Polish should only be written in the Arabic alphabet كورڤا ماچ

[@x-ray-oh3134]

For those wondering, the Polish-Arabic text reads "kurwa mat"

[@idonothavealife]

yeah

[@miniak2708]

the belarusian kind

[@PerkeleKeyboardist]

yeah, I double the Belarussian comment, google arabitsa :D

[@peace_2520]

reverse turkish

[@im_sorry_i_forgot_my_username]

me (slovak) watching 14:56: ah yes, finally the letters are normal -wait what do you MEAN "boring czech clone" come say that to my face😡🤬🤬🤬🤬

[@im_sorry_i_forgot_my_username]

really appreciate the korone bits as well i love this channel

[@Mroquelle]

Your entire country is a boring Czech clone

[@Nakaska]

He spoke the truth. You either commit to medieval orthographic madness or you end up with a boring Czech clone like all the Balkans.

[@im_sorry_i_forgot_my_username]

@ You call it boring I call it practical

[@KaleunMaender77]

​@@Nakaskablame Ljudevit Gaj. He's the one who suggested there's no better way to orthographise Croatian than with "č", "š", and "ž" as per Czech, and "ć" from Polish itself. He also ingeniously came up with "dž", "lj", and "nj", apparently copying the ideas from Hungarian ("dzs", "ly", and "ny"), even though "dž" is a recognised digraph in Czech. Where he picked "đ" from, I couldn't tell you. Point is: his orthography is how BCMS is written using the Latin alphabet (except Montenegrins say they have "ś" and "ź" but **UNPOPULAR OPINION** their usage is very arbitrary at best).

Short answer : No. Long answer : NIE KURWA!

[@polynomialofmanynames]

Writing they yus by hand would be hell ngl

[@lolnikmine1679]

@@polynomialofmanynames funny thing is, I'm pretty sure one of the yuses' handwritten form later became the letter Я. So I imagine I'd be really easy to mix them up

[@RanmaruRei]

Я as mentioned above is based on handwriten Ѧ. And Bulgarians used Ѫ in their language until 1945. It has a handwritten form and it's actually easy to write.

[@wuljis]

not really, just lookat those ѧ, ѩ, ѫ and ѭ, for the first just A and add a stroke, and for the second one a triangle and the bottom of ж

[@prywatne4733]

@@wuljis The first one is NOT A with a stroke handwritten. It looks almost exactly like Я handwritten (because Я comes from handwritten Ѧ as mentioned above), you can find it on its Wikipedia page if you'd like Edit: huh they must have removed it because I swear it was there

[@埊]

@@RanmaruRei 大于 looks a bit like 帝

[@MrRhombus]

I would say iotated small yus and iotated big yus personally sz, rz, and cz look so much cooler than sh, zh, and ch imo

[@SK-zi3sr]

Sz rz and cz is just confusing , doesn’t really seem that cool

[@irel12]

Doesn't make sense

[@Name-t9fbd]

š, ř, č look cooler

[@figard9855]

@@SK-zi3sr yeah, law, low, lawn, in english isnt confusing

[@埊]

i think of sz rz cz as sharper, stronger versions of sh zh ch.

[@dieletztekavallerie395]

Cyrillic alphabet wouldn't work in Polish, it would be better if Polish was written in Czech alphabet. Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz :D Gřegoř Břenčyščykěvič

[@loran1212]

I'm sorry, those two spellings are exactly equally complex.

[@Mroquelle]

​@@loran1212Because he's using a meme name that doesn't actually exist. I am so sick of people using this meme as a showcase of Polish's consonant clusters. THAT'S THE JOKE! A character in a movie came up with it so the Nazis wouldn't be able to write down his information.

[@mojiwhy]

Gřegoř Břęčyščykěwič Ą, Ę, W, should stay in this case though i find the polish spelling quite complicated and too much (the Grzegorz example), i think that every language should be unique in its spelling, Waršawa would still be cooler than Varšava, the W looks cool

[@robertab929]

@@mojiwhy Gřegoř Břęčyščykievič *W* could be replaced with *V*

[@robertab929]

@@mojiwhy V Ščebřešynie chřąšč břmi v třcinie. W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie.

[@LavaLambz]

Clearly Polish should be written with Devanagari.

[@snowman-division]

…or in Malayalam script - for more freedom of expression and fun. 😏

[@jonasgoldenburg3154]

Главная причина по которой польский никогда не будет записываться кирилицей это страх того, что их будут после этого называть русскими 🤣

[@kastus77]

Кириллица создана специально для славянских языков, где каждая буква за редкими исключениями соответствует звуку. Латынь - вообще нет.

[@KateeAngel]

​@@kastus77 по этой логике все неславянские языки РФ не должны использовать кириллицу?

[@bartoszwojciechowski2270]

@@kastus77 No, it wasn't specifically created for all Slavic languages. It was created for Old Church Slavonic

[@kastus77]

@ никто никому ничего не должен. Каждый сам решает, с чем ему мучиться ) Корейцы использовали иероглифы, потом бац перешли на хангыль. Японцы же хоть и ввели две новые письменности, от иероглифов не отказались. Вот так решили Просто кириллический принцип соответствия буквы и звука более утентичен славянским языкам.

[@kastus77]

@ Кстати, немецкому языку кириллица подошла бы даже больше, чем польскому

[@SaturnineXTS]

Oh, as for your video: I wouldn't use ё in words such as "radio". Belarusian does it because it's entirely phonetic, but even Russians themselves spell it as "радио". Ё was specifically meant to be used for cases where a stressed Е (ye) changed its pronunciation to "yo", hence why Ё looks like the letter E - it's inextricably tied to that sound, which a lot of folks seem to forget or willingly disregard. I know it makes things harder, but even the fricking Russians who invented the whole letter in the first place have a distinction between using it and proper ио, so it'd be crazy to go without it in Polish. As for the whole softening conundrum - Belarusian (at least the Tarashkievica variety) actually does one thing right in my opinion - it goes with a "one consonant - one soft sign" policy, in other words it completely foregoes cluster softening as seen in Russian. For example the word "volnaść" is spelled "вольнасць" in state Belarusian, but "вольнасьць" in Tarashkievica. This completely solves the dilemma of which consonants should be soft and which shouldn't. And it'd be pretty useful for speakers of lanugages such as Slovak, who don't have cluster softening in either spelling nor speech. Polish has it in both, while Russian only has it in speech, but not in spelling. So it would be a bit of a disadvantage to remove the softening in writing in the transition to Cyrillic. I know this might not be entirely etymologically correct in regard to the yers - but let's be honest, the vast majority of people today have no idea that the soft sign is meant to be a yer which just happened to be reduced over time to a consonant softener - it's just a soft sign to them at the end of the day :D

[@nick72486]

We don't just spell it as радио, we pronounce it as радио. Радьё would be pronounced differently (although even then we'd definitely spell it as радьо lol)

[@SaturnineXTS]

@@nick72486 There's an "y" there in Belarusian though, so it actually tansliterates to "radyjo"

[@popkinbobkin]

well I don't speak Polish but wiktionary provides this transcription /ˈra.djɔ/ so his version makes sense because in Russian it's 3 syllables ра-ди-о, and in Polish it's ра-дъйо/ра-дъё

[@ingmar4ty]

ё in Russian can only exist as stressed, but the word радио has a stress on the first a.

[@Silvike21]

English shouldn't definitely use the Latin alphabet

[@binauraltreatments6178]

Shavian

[@The-jy3yq]

English should start using itself for a change Ah, yes, "cz" and "ch" and "tsch" and other variations of it are pronounced the same Or they are not Wait, are we reading Bulgarian or Slovak? What year was it written down again? Or was it French originally?...myeaaaah fuck it, somebody else down the line will figure it out

[@Lime_No1]

The Cyrillic alphabet was originally coined for the Slavs

[@imho4990]

nope.

[@Imita0903]

This would make more sense if polish was writen in the Perso-Arabic script with their lack of vowels, like Persian language that is spoken in Tajikistan and switched to Cyrilic during soviet time (Actually they switched to Latin for a short period of time before adopting Cyrilic) because the problem was just the vowels, any alphabet with them solve the problem, or just add those vowel symbols to the Perso-Arabic script as some kurdish languages did.

[@d4n737]

... Except Polish does use vowels quite a bit... It's a stereotype that every word is a long string of "szcztcszcrzc", but it's not. Vowels are common once you realize how all those sound clusters roll off the tongue

[@pawelparadysz]

​@d4n737that's not what he was talking about, he meant that if Polish was written in an abjad then it would make sense to consider switching to cirilic However there is still a big difference between for example Spanish and Polish when it comes to how many options for a word do you have when written without vowels - if I wrote dbrz it's much clearer than bn - and then you only need to add vowels when it'd ambiguous like dbra/dbro, - again this is not what the commenter is suggesting

[@supermario69kraftgami23]

@d4n737 Every language uses vowels, without which you just can't have words. What varies is how many vowels exist.

[@smergthedargon8974]

@@supermario69kraftgami23 Mandatory vowel claimers when the Bella Coola language walks in with xłp̓x̣ʷłtłpłłskʷc̓:

[@karlez7664]

Only alphabet in which polish would be 100% intuitive, would be chinese

[@Laurabeck329]

Chinese isn't an alphabet

[@LucasSchimmel]

Polish should create its own alphabet like those Tolkien created because, though functional, it lacks aesthetic value.

[@kacperolkusz3985]

Totally, we also need to make it contain like 20 000 characters so we can claim the title of the hardest language in the world once and for all since people always assume it’s chinese.

[@Mroquelle]

While aesthetic value in languages in ultimately a null factor, I too wouldn't mind us creating an entirely new, unrelated script. You can't mock what you can't read.

[@peterc4082]

??? Why would anyone do that? How old are you, 10?

[@a_boy_xd-u8s]

It has its own alphabet. Two words. Accents count.

[@gniewomircioek6845]

Latin work just fine. We just know how to adapt an alphabet. English though...

[@rilonius2865]

There was actually an attempt when Poland was under the rule of the Russian Empire to impose a Cyrillic alphabet on Polish in the 1800s.

[@Goldenka]

And we still have PTSD from it lol

[@Dziki_z_Lasu]

However remember that half of the Polish population either was using Polish language and orthography like nothing happened - Habsburg Empire or were forced to add der/die/das before nouns, because some asshole wanted everyone to speak the same as in Saxony-Anhalt and Thuringia (High German).

[@Festucius]

Actually two of them, and the first unfortunate Russian boyo in charge of it basically talked the tzar out of the idea, because having considered all the specifics of Polish language, he came to a conclusion, it would have to become a very unique kind of Cyrillic script and it wouldn't make any sense.

[@Imertdane]

@@Goldenka How could you have a PTSD over a superior thing?

[@KasumiRINA]

@@Imertdane because some people would rather use Egyptian hieroglyphics than do it stuff the ork way. Which would have made sense if Cyrillic was native to mordor but it's not, it's script made by Greeks for Bulgarians, and used in Balkans and Ukraine. Unfortunately also by our neighbours. But _when_ we get nukes bad, that problem would be solved.

[@fungo6631]

Funny how Croatians invented ščćžđ for that purpose so they can use Latin and then some self proclaimed experts expect Polish to use a script used by their former imperialist overlord. In Poland if you suggest to use Cyrillic you risk getting lynched by an angry mob. It's as bad as asking Croatians to use Cyrillic.

[@2712animefreak]

Croats didn't invent any of these letters. č, š and ž are taken from Jan Hus' Czech orthography, ć is taken from Polish orthography and đ was invented by Đuro Daničić, a Serb, to replace the digraph dj from Gaj's original proposal.

[@GignacPL]

Every single Cyrilisation (or whatever you call it) of Polish I've encountered so far sucked, so I decided to create my own, just for the funnies. I even made a custom keyboard on my phone for it lol Досўовнье кажда Цирилiзацĭа Полскĭего з ĭакõ мĭаўем кĭедиколвĭек стичносьць биўа гувньана, вĭẽц зробiўем вўаснõ лол Пiшẽ то уживаĭõц кастомовеĭ клавĭатури до ньеĭ. Хоцьаж тераз ĭак оглõдам тен фiлмiк, мам враженье, же наше дефiньiцĭe добреĭ i зўеĭ цирилiзацĭi барꙅо сьẽ ружньõ, твоĭа ĭест дузо барꙅьеĭ скупĭона на етимологiчнеĭ заховавчосьцьi, а моĭа на спуĭнеĭ, в вĭẽкшосьцьi фонетичнеĭ пiсовньi. Сўово "җем" пiше сьẽ в тен спосўб ĭак цось, бо җ ĭест ĭединим знакĭем ĭакĭего ĭешче нье ужиўем в тим коментажу. А, i ĭак цось то версĭа з ĭотацĭõ теж iстньеĭе, ĭак рувньеж i версĭа з кь замĭаст кĭ нп. в "кĭеди". Та версĭа ĭест дла мнье по просту барꙅьеĭ iнтуiциĭна Very enjoyable video btw

[@MrOrzech1]

Przyznam, że ciekawy i zabawny zapis, który w miarę łatwo mogłem rozczytać. Jednak tłumaczenie twojego komentarza na angielski jest jeszcze lepsze xD "Dosovne every Cirilization of Poland with ĭakõ mĭaўem kĭedikolvĭek shtichnosts biўa guvnjana, vĭẽc zrobiўem vvasnõ lol"

[@GignacPL]

@@MrOrzech1 Mi się nie wyświetla opcja do przetłumaczenia, chyba dlatego że to mój własny komentarz XDD Możesz wkleić i wysłać tu jak Ci się chce lol

[@cmyk8964]

this hurts my eyes this sucks real bad

[@vovaa337]

Вау, мене, як українця, приємно здивувала ваша кирилична версія польської мови! Настільки детально пропрацьвана, що я б і не здогадався якби не вивчав польську. Ця версія трохи викликає дисонанс, ніби та сама мова, яку вивчаю, але виглядає набагато ріднішою. Також, візуально стала дуже нагадувати білоруську мову, хоча на слух не нагадує. Я одного разу десь в коментарях на ютубі бачив українську мову написану латиницею, це теж мене здивувало, але як виявилося це так можуть писати люди з української діаспори в канаді, бо ще знають українську мову, але не знають кирилиці, бо від народження в канаді не навчилися. p.s. а ту йест моя версйа йензика польскіеґо напісанеґо цириліцоу, ктуроу вуашьнє вимишьліуем. она йест цауковічє опарта на украіньскіх літерах, з вийонткієм знаку " ' " , для теґо повінна бичь уатвєйша ніж твоя, понєваж можна уживачь істнєйонцей клявіатури. І єще кілька сувек для пшикуаду: хроущ, жьрудвуо, щеншьчьє, чешьчь, нєджьвєджь, жиченє, скшидеуко

[@emperorkow4773]

@GignacPL Dosovne every Cirilization of Poland with ĭakõ mĭaўem kĭedikolvĭek stichnosts biўa guvnyana, vĭẽc zrobiўem ўasnõ lol Write then get along with the custom keyboard to new. Hotsazh teraz ĭak oglõdam ten filmik, mam enmity, but our definition is good i zўeĭ cirilizatsĭi barꙅabout sẽ ruzhnõ, yours ĭest duzo barꙅyeĭ skupĭona na etymolofichneĭ zahovavchostsi, and moĭa on the back, in the vĭẽkšoscy phonetic scriptures. Sovo "җм" is written in a ten way as it is, because җ ĭest is ĭa single sign of ĭakĭe ĭesche nie ŪŞez in this commentary. A, i ĭak tsos to versĭa z ĭotatsĭõ tezh istnieĭe, ĭak ruvniež i versĭa z k zamĭast kĭ np. in "kĭedi". That version is for the sake of simplicity barꙅеĭ intuition

[@ryandb5421]

Watching korone describe old Church Slavonic letters wasn’t on my bingo card for today, but it just might help us all make it to tomorrow ☕️🌶️

[@heyguy4369]

So true lol

[@Alfius_]

I’m from Ukraine, and I live in Poland. So I’m fluent in both. And I still think what even with entire 4 scary digraphs, Latin is still better. And I think what you will make a ton more digraphs with all of those ь and ъ

[@Mroquelle]

Thank you for your input. I'm glad people who actually bother to dip their toes actually acknowledge its functionality. Most people who advocate for Polish using Cyrillic neither know anything about the language, nor do they care. They just see a script they don't understand and blame it for being different, like the word foreign in foreign scripts just doesn't mean anything anymore.

[@marcdenoire5462]

@@Mroquelle Probably any non-German speaker seeing something like Tschechisches Streichholzschächtelchen would think that it's better for German to be written in Cyrillic.

[@KateeAngel]

​@@marcdenoire5462 German should be written with Georgian alphabet of course

[@hermanndusek]

As a Czech I of course support morphing Polish into a Czech clone. After that it's just a few steps before an unholy marriage between our countries

[@karczameczka]

Are you sure you want unholy marriage with Poland? Are you absolutely sure sure? As a Pole I don’t recommend it 😂

[@hermanndusek]

@karczameczka C'mon Poland's great! And I'm sure our incredible irreligiousness and general heathenry will keep the Catholics in check somewhat...

[@robertab929]

V Ščebřešynie chřąšč břmi v třcinie. W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie. I agree. *Some letters in Polish language* could be changed to improve ability of Slavs with Latin alphabets (Czech, Slovak, and other) to read Polish and vice versa; new rules should be also easier for non-Slavs; this change would be neutral to Polish orthographical rules: *ż* => *ž* *rz* => *ř* *cz* => *č* *sz* => *š* *w* => *v*

[@hermanndusek]

@@robertab929 This would also have the added bendfit of Ř being used in more languages. I'm actually surprised Polish stayed with the 15th century ways of writing since the Baltic languages already have carons.

[@szeptunka]

tak, tak!! doskonała wizja przyszłości

[@budbin]

Polish guy here. Short answer: No Long answer: _NO! GOD PLEASE NO! NO! NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!_

[@DynamioPL]

As a Pole, I will explain that Polish language would not use Cyrillic for two reasons 1. It's impossible to represent consonant rz in the Cyrillic alphabet. Not to mention nasals likę ą, ę (don't tell me about juses, they are used to represent other phonems) or letter ó which have similar spell to u, but it is used in words, when it exchanges with o with gramatical cases. 2. Political and religious issues. Poland was baptized in 966 in Catholic Christianity, so Polish language adopted the Latin alphabet because of this. Slavic states that were baptized in Orthodox Christianity also adopted the Cyrillic alphabet. And, in the Russian partition of Poland in 19th century, Tsarist government tried to codify Cyrillic alphabet for Polish language, but it failed for two reasons: it was hilariously bad, and Poles refused to use it. The Cyrillic alphabet is the symbol of Russian oppression for us, so conversion to Cyrillic will never happen in that case.

[@Name-t9fbd]

rz = ṗ in cyrrilic. ą, ę = ą, э̨ also оң, эң as an option. Šukaj BaltoSlav Lacinizatar.

[@bjovanovic5067]

Your first reason implies that repurposing a letter to represent a slightly different phoneme is a violation of the second law of thermodynamics or something. Why couldn't it be done? Old slavonic yuses aren't used for a century now, and they were not pronounced like nasalised phonemes in these languages for a thousand years at least.

[@spaghettiisyummy.3623]

​@@bjovanovic5067Agreed.

[@bartoszwojciechowski2270]

@@bjovanovic5067 Because "rz" is not a separate phoneme, it's completely merged with "ż" in modern Polish. But it's still spelt "rz" because it behaves like a separate morphophoneme, e.g. it alternates morphologically with "r" while "ż" alternates with "g" or "h"; "rz" and "w" are also the only consonants that don't exhibit regressive voicing assimilation (if they did, words like "krzak" or "kwiat" would be pronounced "gżak" and "gwiat", but they're actually realised as "kszak" and "kfjat").

[@bartoszwojciechowski2270]

@@bjovanovic5067 Also, I dislike Cyrillic for political reasons, East Slavs are such primitive people with cringe cultures.

[@япокушала-э3ч]

Wouldn't a solution to the Ь problem from the second half of the videos be to just say it (the Ь) palatalizes only the consonant right before it? Kinda like Belarusian's Taraškievica does it. So świetność would be сьветносьть, twierdź would be твердь and so on. Similar things sometimes happend in Russian, like сельдь, and it seems to be okay with it, so idk. Isn't too different from the Ъ solution, but it has been done in other languages that use Cyrillic, so yknow ofc it's better you're just a silly boy why're you questioning me i'm simply superior in my reasoning

[@埊]

why not replace these useless nosounded b's with i's?

[@fariesz6786]

use ‹ы› for /ɪ/, ‹и› for /i/, and ‹і› for /ʲ/ chef's kiss 🤍

[@Nakaska]

That's what I was thinking as well, Russian is by no means a perfect version of Cyrillic and not all of it's quirks need to be mindlessly copied.

[@madmasseur6422]

​@@埊 Because you can't use i's to mark palatalisation at the end of a word

[@埊]

@ who cares about platilisation anyways

[@Lazar-TS]

0:21 Gotta love the irony of showing the misrepresented Dunning-Kruger effect.

[@kacpersuski4459]

I’d propose for Russian to use polish ortography. Spasiba balszoj. Ja nie gawari pa ruski

[@ezrafriesner8370]

Interestingly, some of my friends are Russian young people who moved to Poland, and then the UK, because they didn’t like the direction Russia is going. They actually developed this sort of thing between themselves, because once they moved further from Russia, they didn’t have Cyrillic keyboards etc. I wonder how many Russian expats have essentially created this exact thing independently

[@deusinmedio]

​@@ezrafriesner8370 interestingly at some point soviets wanted to use the latin alphabet for russian

[@markbussler-vf5wo]

Spasibo bolszoje. Ja nie goworiu po-russki*.

[@ukyoize]

Very maskawian spelling

[@pee_0656]

@@ezrafriesner8370 I love cyrylic but even I (half rus/half ukr) due to that exact reason (not having a cyrillic, idk how to spell keyboard) developed a few writing systems for russian and ukrainian (it works for both because, idk, I wanted to represent both of them)

[@Yondix]

Any attempts to make polish grammar simpler should be immediately DESTROYED. I say lets make it even more complicated. My propositions: -digraphs and triagraphs now will be spelled both like that: dz, sz, cz, dź, dż, dzi, ni, si, ci and ď, š, č, ð, đ, ḍ, (ń,ň), (ś,ŝ), (ć,ĉ) and it will be irregular -lets add "v" and "x" and make it be insted of "w" and "ks" but only at the end of a word -lets add a new leter that will be between "ę" and "en" like when you casually say "ręka" it will be "ě" -lets add "ß" insted of "s". In random words. It will be fun

[@TheGreenViewer456]

i never expected to ever see alphabetical gore

[@madmasseur6422]

11:17 I feel like the soft sign should ONLY soften the consonant before it. That does mean we'd have to write "świetność" as "сьветносьть", but at least it makes sense tbh

[@kastus77]

в белорусской азбуке "тарашкевица" так и поляка. Но она как раз вводилась поляками. Все же в белорусском мягкость этих звуков не такая выраженная, как в польском - а что-то среднее

[@figard9855]

In conclusion: People who think cyrillic is better for Polish just have a skill issue

[@ЯСказал-с7о]

Seems like: In conclusion: People who think metric is better for USA just have a skill issue

[@kamilchmielewski9251]

Usually we refer to them as Russians

[@catanonimus7]

@@kamilchmielewski9251as if only Russians used cyrillic

[@Gulitize]

@@ЯСказал-с7о It is more a Fahrenheit/Celsius situation. Metric has real benefits, but the temperature scale has only very marginal benefits.

[@HtoToTum]

@@kamilchmielewski9251 dude you use 4 symbols for one sound when there's the letter in Cyrillic made specially for Slavs. The problem in not in Russians

[@pauldrouot4796]

People criticize "rz" or "szcz" for being visually unappealing but are willing to accept an alphabet that uses small caps for lowercase? 😼

[@goodamigo9373]

The biggest problem is that any switch of the alphabet would be very expensive (imagine how much switching all the street signs in the country would cost and it's only a small fraction of it). Also it would make old resources like old books unreadable without special preparation for the following generations. So if it works and doesn't cause too much of trouble then it's better to leave it as is

[@RanmaruRei]

Yet it was not an argument for any Turkic language that switched from Cyrillic to Latin: Azerbaijan, Turkmen, etc. Even Kazakh is going to switch.

[@Aresydatch]

​@@RanmaruReiThe Turks switched so that they're disconnected from their past, it was pretty intentional

[@lllIIIlIllIIll]

​@@RanmaruRei "Who doesn’t respect and value his past, is not worth the honour of the present, and has no right to a future." -Józef Piłsudski What I mean is that history is very important to us Poles, as it plays a huge role in shaping our national identity. As such, changing our script to Cyrillic would go against the interests of authority, and of most commonfolk, I guess. Besides, many would see such a reform as a move closer to the r*ssian sphere of influence, and it would be deeply, DEEPLY unpopular among us Poles.

[@RanmaruRei]

@@lllIIIlIllIIll Yeah. Just, I mean expenses and the fact, that old books will be hard to read for future generations, won't stop, if a nation decides to switch a script.

[@lllIIIlIllIIll]

@@RanmaruRei whoops I replied to the wrong comment, my bad :D

[@ohajohaha]

6:45 Exactly, I think it could be caused by political isolation of Poland for the past centuries. I mean, no one says German "sch" is somehow unintelligible. Making stupid jokes that it is would mean you're ignorant of people like Schopenhauer etc. Hopefully, our language will get more relevant along with our country. Though, including Ireland in the map is funny. Irish is very different from anything in Europe.

[@Adelinold]

It still weird to think you're polish

[@SomeRandomPiggo]

Yeah, he doesn't sound it at all

[@prywatne4733]

​@@SomeRandomPiggo this is silly, just because he is Polish he is supposed to have an obvious accent?

[@SomeRandomPiggo]

@prywatne4733 Naturally if you aren't a native speaker you will typically have an accent, slight or not. I'm not saying every non-native speaker has to have a very thick accent

[@Mroquelle]

​@@SomeRandomPiggoOur relation with English isn't like it used to to be 30 years ago. Nowadays many of us are as exposed to English from a young age as we are to our native language. There's a ton of foreign content creators on KZbin whose English is on a level rivaling that of a native. Not saying everyone from the late 90s and early 2000s speaks perfect English, or even knows it all that well, but the number of such people has definitely increased with time, and that also goes for places such as Poland. We might have had a late start, compared to other countries who started learning English decades earlier, but we're catching up.

[@Mroquelle]

​@@SomeRandomPiggoOne other thing worth noting is that he isn't just some random guy, but a person intimately versed in linguistics, with a seemingly pretty good knack for languages. Some people are just better at picking up languages and emulating the correct speech pattern. He's likely one such person.

[@michuXYZ]

The use of the Latin alphabet as the "driving engine" of Polish is not only about the fact that everyone got used to it, that its use is older than a thousand years, but once it was also about "civilizational belonging", the fact that Poles used the same alphabet as Italians, Germans, French and just beyond the eastern border everything changed together with the alphabet. And interestingly, this phenomenon is visible to this day, just beyond the fortified eastern border a different world, a slightly different culture, Belarus, Ukraine, Russia is visible. Poland still plays the role of a barrier of Western civilization as the eastern flank of the EU and NATO. And paying attention to the fact that Poland "defaults" to play this role every time it regains freedom, it is simply destined to do so.

[@arandomlanguagenerd1869]

Writing both rz and r with the same letter... wow

[@埊]

外国人：波兰罗马文比俄罗斯文不善也。 内国人：嗯嗯波兰语从漢字，好哉明发！

[@staanislaw]

Bing chilling

[@1f1rst]

So to solve that issue with uncertanty of usage of cyrillic letters for Polish I suggest to check how it was solved for Belarusian language as it has in some aspects similar phonetics and so similar problems.

[@prywatne4733]

Holy shit this is becoming my favorite linguistics channel

[@_xwhitec4961]

The part about English sh and Polish sz are a bit misleading imo. Like yea people are fine with sh, but if English had sequences like shch I'd want sh and ch to be written with monographs too

[@RazvanMaioru]

Also it's a streTCH (streč? streć?) to say people are fine with sh, too. Like, English digraphs suck too. But so does the rest of English orthography, and I'm pretty sure everyone can agree on that. A known lost cause like English orthography doesn't mean better orthographies can't be fixed by removing awful digraphs

[@RanmaruRei]

English has 'ough' though.

[@somnvm37]

true, instead of using щ polish uses szcz, and i have no idea what would it even look like if softened firstly, every other sound is represented with a digraph and there's clusters of digraphs

[@Halfpipesaur]

virgin English: Nooo! I'm scared of consonant clusters!! chad German: SCHTSCH

[@skoczek777]

@@somnvm37 well...softened szcz would be ść

[@Melthornal]

you could do polish in latin alphabet so much better. the polish went off in the weirdest possible direction

[@prywatne4733]

counterpoint: 15:18

[@Feradose]

@prywatne4733 Counterpoint "instead of using h like everyone else, we find using z instead of h very intuitive because we've been doing it our entire lives" they are the outlier bro it looks weird as shit

[@subtlewolf]

​@@Feradoseszit is growing on me, TBH

[@EdithVonPants]

I recognize this one. This is the one made by Jan van Steenbergen

[@yolson2376]

As a learner of polish and a native speaker of a language that uses Cyrillic I could never understand those comments from people saying cyrillic would be better. As you said in the very beginning they are both ALPHABETS, they are practically the same, different symbols representing different sounds. Even the digraphs in polish could be thought as a single letter since there is no instance of polish words using a diagraph in which the two parts of the diagraph are pronounced seperately. I automatically started to equate the "CZ" with the cyrillic "Ч". It is all the same wether you write it as cz or as ч if it is read the same way. Comments propagating the cyrillic script usually come from slavic ultra nationalist circles or eastern pan-slavic unionists lacking any healthy reasoning and logic behind their arguments.

[@plrc4593]

Totally agree. It annoys me as well. I admit Cyrillic is better alphabet, but not only for Slavic languages but for all. Because it simply has much more letters. So if Polish should be written in Cyrillic then English and French should as well.

[@zhulikkulik]

Idk, to me it seems weird to use two or more letters when you can just make one, especially if it's a distinct and frequently used sound.

[@yolson2376]

@@zhulikkulik For phonetically rich languages like polish you'd end up with a keyboard almost twice as large as the standard keyboard. Back in old times that was the preferred method, creating new letters or putting letters above other letters to indicate a sound shift (that's basically how the ñ in spanish and the Umlaut in german and the scandinavian languages came to be). That was done in order to save space, since paper and ink weren't as ubiquitous as today. Nowadays it's much more practical in my opinion to use a diagraph in order to save space on the keyboard and make the layout simpler. I really don't see the point in russian for example having separate vowels for palatalized vowels. It feels much more easier and logical to just put an I or J sound before the non-palatalized vowel like many other slavic languages do.

[@peterc4082]

@@plrc4593 Cyrillic is a better alphabet for what? The world uses the Latin alphabet in IT, science, medicine, aviation etc. Why would anyone regress and go back to Cyrillic? That just makes absolutely no sense at all.

[@plrc4593]

@peterc4082 Cyrillic is a better alphabet, but I don't suggest switching to Cyrillic, rather quite the opposite.

[@mirekkisiel9719]

Poland is cultural west Europe alfabet, religion,architecture, low etc

[@tovarishchfeixiao]

14:18 In Russian the batal'on example is more of a stress/emphasis tool. Because the ë supposed to be always stressed if it appears in a word, so if batal'on has the stress somewhere else then it's a smart move to spell it this way.

[@artembaguinski9946]

The stress is on "о", so батальён, бульён, would have sounded exactly the same as батальон, бульон. They are different to remind us they are borrowed, and would need to be returned.

[@mojiwhy]

ë is a hostorical e that phonetically changed

[@The-jy3yq]

​@@artembaguinski9946they are borrowed from French specifically In the times when French was Lingua Franca so yeah many such cases are written like that and have not been touched by Soviet or Russian authorities since Polivanov's system sucks ass man Why are we still using it

[@pawelsz007locp]

Superior West Slavic Latin Script > incel cyrillic script

[@HeroManNick132]

Павел is coping.

[@pawelsz007locp]

@HeroManNick132 u know it's true because what's the point of undermining the superiority of a superior script if even you are using it? It's like whining about something novel and refined while you are stuck with something old and unreliable.

[@HeroManNick132]

@ Yeah, sure, Catholic. Your writing system is so ''reliable.'' At least if you used the Czech one will make much more sense than whatever you are using.

[@pawelsz007locp]

@@HeroManNick132 I guess we are not "the geese" to conform to others, we are here, we are one, we are on our own and we like it this way Disregarding facts is a major problem, you know that? Especially when handed to you on a silver platter like in the video. I guess it is quite inconceivable for you and russians to finally comprehend that although historically the catholic church played a major role, a great deal of our population (even great noble families from all around the PLC) was and still is Protestant (I am one if that satisfies you in a bit, I hope so). But I see, you can only understand things you make up yorself.

[@dmplague]

I'm a native Russian speaker who speaks Polish too. There's no way on Earth Cyrillic would work as a better writing system for Polish. The way certain sounds are conveyed with Latin alphabet and diacritics (like ź or cz or ą) is already ingenious enough. Also, the Polish word in the thumbnail isn't even transcribed correctly, because RZ isn't pronounced like r, so one can't write wrzeszcz as vresh.

[@matthewdance4110]

The idea is that ‘е’ palatalizes the ‘р’ like in Russian, and palatalized r is what evolved into ‘rz’ in Polish. And it’s врещ, with a щ, which represents ‘шч’ sequence in Ukrainian, so it’s used here in the same way.

[@blaster2000]

solution= keep those letters latin

[@dmplague]

@blaster2000 yes and the entire Polish alphabet too

[@martinwenzel7659]

And how on Earth somebody could say that for example "cisza = тиша". It won't work that way.

[@sumrix]

Just use kazakh or tatar alphabet, they have those letters

[@pineapplesareyummy6352]

I started learning a bit of Russian, and knowing the Cyrillic alphabet, I find it so much easier to read Polish once I make the connection which Cyrillic letter correspond to which group of Polish letters.

[@sSomeawesomeneSs]

the fact that people dont do this automatically is confusing for me.. what else would the letters correspond to?

[@generalgremlin3811]

To hell with cirillic, we should switch to the knot on string system from america

[@Iarwain91]

The best thing for Polish would be to adapt letters from other latin-written slavic languages like Ď Č Ž Š and Ř instead of dź, cz, ż, sz and rz. It would simplify spelling and make it easier for foreigners to learn. :D

[@frasenp8411]

6:40 I complain about digraphs including SH all the time! 🙄

[@astaiannymph]

The reason so many people want to get rid of digraphs is because of the built-in messaging of alphabets: **one sound one symbol**. This is taught in kindergarten & elementary school when kids are learning to read and again in second language acquisition situations and again in introduction to linguistics where it's the stated goal of the IPA.

[@Mahfoudh94]

0:41 "...or any other alphabet" *proceed to write in Arabic*

[@mrbilter83]

To be fair there are wilder languages that actually use Arabic that aren't semitic like Farsi (indo european) Malay (sometimes uses arabic script) Uyghur and Ottoman Turkish (both Turkic). I'm sure it can't be that bad

[@Mahfoudh94]

@mrbilter83 sure, a fantastic thing in Arabic is the absence of diphthongs, and richness in consonants with no overlap in sounds, and how some other languages adapted their unique sounds to it

[@andrewpinedo1883]

@@mrbilter83نَتْ تُو مَانْشً سْپَانِش ءَانْدْ پُرْتْشَغِيزْ (رُومَانْسْ) فُرْ اَ لٌغْ تَيْمْ، شِيَوْعَرْݣٍْ فُرْ مَانْدَرً، ءَانْدْ اِنْغْلِشْ (جَرْمَانِكْ) اٍ ذِسْ كَمَانْتْ.

[@bartoszwojciechowski2270]

No, I greatly dislike both the Arabic abjad (it looks like spaghetti) and Arabs as people, because of your awful cultures and religion.

[@S4DM00ND]

Никогда не понимал всех этих рассуждений "стоит ли использовать другой алфавит для языка"... Всё ведь просто: если для выражения звуков вашего языка нет подходящих букв, то придумайте их; если язык становится слишком переполненным там, где это не надо, - избавьтесь от лишних букв / упростите то, что можно упростить / придумайте свой собственный алфавит, в котором буквы и буквосочетания будут более подходящими, чем они есть в имеющемся алфавите. И т.д., и т.п.

[@user-lk7nd2ot4g]

«Придумать собственный алфавит» это сложно. Проще взять готовые по многим причинам: Клавиатуры уже распространены достаточно сильно. Людям надо как-то печатать. Поэтому сейчас орфографии языков стабильны как никогда. И документов уже много написано, и люди почти все грамотные. Кириллический алфавит во многом отвечает вопросам к орфографии польского языка, как то отображение мягких согласных, отображение гласных (носовые гласные можно взять и из текущего латинского алфавита). А вообще, это вопросы «если бы да кабы».

[@osasunaitor]

As a non-Polish person who used to live in Gdańsk, you immediately grabbed my attention with the thumbnail. Wrzeszcz station was nightmare fuel, trying to buy a ticket from the ticket inspector proved nearly impossible, and once some passengers near me actually laughed when I tried to pronounce this name. Seriously, it's crazy. 8 letters and just ONE vowel, how can you even... Edit: nice exercise of imagination! Your Cyrillic Polish looks comically close to how Belarusian is actually written

[@kinoseidon]

the "many legs A" tripped me up 🤣

[@kakahass8845]

メに・レ゚グス・エイ*

[@jaycee330]

Korone is a good doggo.

[@user-ruraruparu]

5:20 actually using two letters instead of one is common practice even in Russian language. Like words "йогурт" (йо is sounds like yo, but we have letter ё for this sound) , "солнце" (in perfect world letters лн is sound separately like l and n, but in Russian we saying only letter n, so the word sounds like sonce, where e is Sounding). So yeah, Russian have this thing, but English and Polish have much more

[@KrikIDDQD]

About "солнце". 1) Л in "солнце" at the root. -це is not. So "л" always comes out in pronunciation in derivative words: "солнышко", "солнечный", etc. This is the morphophonetic principle of writing. 2) Some natives still pronounce it with "л".

[@kastus77]

йогурт - новое слово. и обычно такая тенденция в заимствованных словах а второй пример некорректен - это проглатывание сложных сочетаний, такие процессы идут во всех языках

[@user-ruraruparu]

@@kastus77 могу лишь сказать что я совсем не разбираюсь в своем же языке 😅

[@overminus7720]

I've been looking for a vid like this for weaks tysm!

[@c.laurentiu1927]

As a non-Polish, I find it easier to understand in Cyrillic.

[@world1583]

as a ukrainian the cyrillic polish looks easier to speak, and type on keyboard, but i get lost in words and letters pretty quick

[@rub588]

Лизать польский сапог походу реально национальная черта украинцев

[@dobrodel_bvv]

As a Russian with some some interest in the polish language, choć go nigdy nie nauczę się, it was the script that got me interested in the language. Nothing else will work as fine as Latin script does. Especially, considering Poles don't have to change their keyboard layouts to talk in English.

[@klipi_missisipi]

I think the problem with pronouncing "yus" can be more easily solved by changing them into combinations that produce a similar sound, like "ą" in "ом" or "ę" in "єм." Additionally, I don't think changing the letter "Ł" to "Л" is a good idea because "Ł" makes a sound like "w" in the word "war," whereas "L/Л" is simply "L," as in the word "letter."

[@binauraltreatments6178]

Ł is etymologically the same as Л. Also, you're talking about Polish to a native speaker of Polish.

[@klipi_missisipi]

@@binauraltreatments6178 No, as I wrote in my previous comment, the letter "Л" does not produce the sound of the English "W" or the Polish "Ł." However, when combined with the hard sign (Лъ) in Russian, it can produce a sound similar to "Ł," though it does not fully match it. I'm writing this as a Polish native speaker and someone who has been learning Russian for about a year.

[@JVzevs]

ł = ў from Belarussian cyryllic alpnabet

[@NeilOttoTep]

Who in their right mind would just switch from a normal alphabet to Cyrillic? If Cyrillic was the last writing system on earth, Poles would invent something else - just because no one in Poland wants to use Cyrilic.

[@Taketheredpill891]

Imagine rewriting all books from latin, turn every book from library and schools into ashes 🔥📖 just to write szcz as щ . And some consonants make one and same sound as their single letter counterparts, so its just a grammar thing not alphabet. To simplify it leave ż , h , u and for szcz š č šč

[@HeroManNick132]

''Normal alphabet'' Yeah, sure the Polish girl in World Friends doesn't think the same as you and got laughed in front of everyone. I wonder who are those 2 people that liked your pathetic comment?

[@TheCanterlonian]

i always thought every language should have their own alphabets unique to them because it would be really cool that way

[@hozic9929]

As someone czech i find polish in latin hillarious... keep it that way

[@meikala2114]

The trouble with Cyrillic is that it looks like you are always shouting through your teeth.

[@kulera]

lol 😂 omg

[@russianyoutube]

This is something cursed, this is not the polish I was trying to learn back in the day lol

[@ChadVulpes]

That's a question I never had anyone knowledgeable to talk about with! Thank you for this video.

[@anthonydiaz2185]

I didn't understand all of what you were talking about but your way of talking about it had me cracking up. Very interesting video overall!

[@Frahamen]

Nah just go with the Thai Abugida. It won't work in the slightest but at least everyone will be equally frustrated with it.

[@aidenbooksmith2351]

ah, a fellow agent of chaos

[@埊]

No Thwaayy, better usage Zhuang 漢字

[@matj12]

As a Czech, I would appreciate that Polish orthography would turn into a Czech clone. Also, I have difficulties reading clusters of many letters, therefore I would prefer diacritics over polygraphs, also in Hungarian and German.

[@filiprohn1643]

Tbf you started it, we just stuck with it when you decided to change. You made your own monster >:3

[@robertab929]

V Ščebřešynie chřąšč břmi v třcinie. W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie. As a Pole, I agree. *Some letters in Polish language* could be changed to improve ability of Slavs with Latin alphabets (Czech, Slovak, and other) to read Polish and vice versa; new rules should be also easier for non-Slavs; this change would be neutral to Polish orthographical rules: *ż* => *ž* *rz* => *ř* *cz* => *č* *sz* => *š* *w* => *v*

[@Shmidtk]

@@robertab929 but... I am always cry then I need to use row of numbers on my keyboard to write down Czech letters. I am always messing up numbers with letters.

[@robertab929]

@@Shmidtk Polish is using different approach with keyboard. We use keyboard layout POLISH PROGRAMMERS, so we can use international keyboards and get Polish letter by using right Alt. For example, Alt + c gives ć; Alt + z gives ż; Alt + x gives ź; Alt + a gives ą; .... My understanding is that Czech letters requires Czech keyboard for easy use.

[@Moravanka-lb8dq]

​@@robertab929а чем мешает w, она вроде мозг не взрывает?

[@bartek6330]

for me as a native polish is just good enough as it is, no need to change. Also i cant read cyrylic soooo

[@Imertdane]

You’ll be forced, like all people in Türkiye were when they were changing Arabic script to Latin.

[@bartek6330]

@@Imertdane forced to do what? As far as im aware, its more of a possibility for Ukraine to change to latin than for Poland to change for cyrilic???

[@ChoojoweShotyWOT]

@@Imertdane Everyone is moving away from Cyrillic xD e.g. in Central Asia xD and Poles would have it xD

[@daspacepope]

It's interesting to me how the Polish Latin alphabet is able to reflect all of the language's Slavic phonological characteristics. It looks super unintuitive to the uninitiated, but it really does account for most of the phonological nuances. Pretty clever in my opinion, even as a major Cyrillic stan.

[@ChoojoweShotyWOT]

The Polish Cyrillic alphabet would be unintuitive, completely different and created anew, different from all other Cyrillic alphabets.

[@tankermottind]

"Man, Polish is all fucked up with those funny looking digraphs for consonants that should just have their own letters." *English has entered the chat*

[@Exilum]

The inclusion of Korone clips was central to the argument imo.

[@pawelzawislak1671]

Good luck if you find at least one Pole who thinks Cyrillic would be better. Cyrillic has never been part of Polish culture, so there's absolutely no use nor need for that. Polish grammar and pronunciation are hard enough for Western foreigners, and Cyrillic would make even harder.

[@HeroManNick132]

Okay, Catholic.

[@pawelzawislak1671]

@@HeroManNick132 You couldn't be farther from the truth. I bow to no Gods.

[@HeroManNick132]

@ So Atheism is now trendy in Poland? I thought you are mostly Catholic, this is not Czechia lol.

[@pawelzawislak1671]

@@HeroManNick132 Firstly, you're talking to me, not Poland. I only represent myself, and cannot speak for everyone. Secondly, don't believe everything you hear or read. Even though Poland is predominately Catholic (yep, nobody's perfect), there's a fair amount of atheists and agnostics. I wish it was more, becasue institutionalized religion has been having too much desire to fuck with politics, and that turned out to be shit.

[@kirillivonin]

Thanks mate! For me as a Cyrillic aficionado (name checks out hehe) that helped to understand Polish better

[@BeesKneesBenjamin]

Learning Polish I often thought about that too, idk why but it felt weird two completely different letters next to eachother could make a different sound. Completely stupid mindset, because in my native language Dutch, we have this too, rather than with consonants, with vowels. Now I can speak Polish pretty alright, you just process in your mind those double letters as single ones and they became unnoticable XD

[@Varlenus]

Przewagą łacińskiego alfabetu jest jego precyzja. Czytasz tak jak jest napisane. Zdanie "Birożec jeruje waszczewskie krzyczle" każdy Polak przeczyta jak należy, chociaż takie słowa w ogóle nie istnieją. W cyrylicy często wymowę danego słowa trzeba poznać osobno.

[@pawel198812]

'w cyrylicy często wymowę danego słowa trzeba poznać osobno' Jedyną rzeczą jakiej generalnie nie wskazują różne odmiany cyrylicy to akcent i ewentualnie długość samogłoski. Cała reszta jest raczej przejrzysta

[@aradanat231]

To nie jest kwestia cyrylicy, tylko właściwości języka rosyjskiego (bo pewnie o nim myślisz) i ruchomego akcentu w połączeniu z akaniem.

[@Name-t9fbd]

Бірожэц еруе вашчэвске кṗычле - Jak inačaj mahčyma pračytać heta? Šukaj "Baltoslav Lacinizatar" kab kanviertavać polskuju movu na kirylicu.

[@qwerty-p6j]

Zależy od języka, w serbskim czytasz tak jak widzisz, w rosyjskim nie

[@lllIIIlIllIIll]

@@Varlenus Бирожец йеруйе вашчевские кржычлье Да сьę? Да сьę. Вием, же в двузнаку "rz" буква "ж" трохę ние пасуйе, алье етымольогичние ма то сенс.

[@weonanegesiscipelibba2973]

To add to your counter to their argument with "Why not use the Georgian alphabet", I think we all know their *real* reason for wanting to use Cyrillic instead of Latin is either "muh colonization" or "muh Slavic solidarity"

[@Mroquelle]

And "muh Slavic solidarity" is usually a disguised "muh colonization"

[@DementiumX]

6:30 - Digraphs are trash in every language. Especially in german with our dumb trigraph "sch".

[@trwn87]

As someone born in Germany, I can only agree.

[@artembaguinski9946]

don't you also have tsch for ч?

[@kleinweichkleinweich]

using cyrillic would certainly solve all german problems just look at this wonderful spelling : Шніцель

[@kleinweichkleinweich]

@@artembaguinski9946 there is absolutely no such quadrograph in Deutsch (дойч)

[@ryan175lcr7]

​@@artembaguinski9946 and "schtsch" for щ (only for slavic loanwords tho

[@maxf9291]

Just discovered your channel and I’ve been having a lot of fun watching your videos! I haven’t seen any other KZbinr who approaches linguistic topics with the competence and sarcastic edge that you have, and it’s a great combo to behold. New subs from me and my 95-year-old grandma

[@jerzyzajaczkowski8537]

There are Polish nasal sounds that doesn't exist in Russian.

[@zeeking2299]

As a Pole, i would rather die then use Cyrillic

[@von_nobody]

I have counter proposition, Russian should be written in Polish-Latin alphabet! :D

[@robertab929]

Or Russian could use Belarusian Latinka which is similar to Polish Latin alphabet

[@Kiyetto]

polish must be written with hanzi