Is desire responsible for fear? | J. Krishnamurti

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Is desire responsible for fear? | J. Krishnamurti
Extract from the fifth talk in Saanen, 1979.
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[@hathor702]

An absolutely exquisite human being.

[@kimhappy4908]

When direction is there, fear of not being in the right direction appears. Desire always has its direction. But life is spontaneous phenomena. So by having desire you somewhat supressing a flow of life

[@tempjena7600]

But What's flow of Life ? Isn't the time and flow of thought - "what could happen" - it's not about suppressing the flow of life, but rather not accepting or understanding the spontaneity of life which happens at a moment in lifetime, not throughout the flow

[@kimhappy4908]

@@tempjena7600 flow(happening) include almost every function of us. Breathing digesting thinking etc. Thought is harmless and not supressing the flow as long as we simply look at it instead of being involved to it. But many cases , we tend to think we are in charge of our thought process . So identification happens and being dragged in to it deeper and deeper

[@thatman3089]

​@@kimhappy4908so according to you, desires suppress the flow of life. But when we see that the flow of life also includes basic human emotions,like anger and lust,A murderer may justify his act by saying that he was maintaining the flow of life by letting his anger flow. Or a rapist may justify his rape by giving the same justification as suppressing the lust itself would be a desire,which will suppress the flow of life. So for me, not suppressing the flow of life doesn't make any sense. Please clarify.

[@kimhappy4908]

@@thatman3089 when you touch something hot. You will immediately place yourself away from it. Which belongs to 'flow' however if you punch that hot object out of your anger. That action is no longer flow. (Because you try to change the moment out of your feeling) Sexual or other desire usually arise out of feeling of lack ,unsatisfaction of being as we are now. So constantly try adding experiences,money, knowledge to make ourselves bigger. But do we really know who we are??? It's a lot like keep putting stuff to your storage unit without knowing what kind of condition, space the storage has.

[@kimhappy4908]

Desire if you look into it is a form of suffering. Because what you are actually longing is to see the end of it eventually. Desire also is your precious energy . Treat it with attention. Just like your own crying baby. Crying next to your baby or being abusive won't stop baby's crying.

[@angelasiegfried-rossi5034]

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[@fantasticalthoughts]

We are scared from potential danger and thats because we desire a life that is most pleasurable and safest. We fear the dark because we are not sure if we are safe. We fear being alone because we aren't the most protected when we are alone. We fear death because it affects the life around us and denies us more of it.

[@WingZeroSymphonics]

Yes, realizing it, the thing is over. Humans are learning little by little.

[@heinzharald2083]

Thank you very much! I tried to think about my deepest fear and it took me some time to find something because I diconnected myself from the most fears because I could not handle them. But then I found something. It was the fear to be judged and trialed for my inadequacy. Had to do with my conditioning in my childhood. But when I heard his words about thought and the creation of fear and essecially that tought is the creator of fear it blew my mind. I like the moment when he says Do please come. @9:48 I felt real compassion. He WANTS US TO REALLY UNDERSTAND! Again thank you, and please excuse my english ;) No Gurus, no God all that nonsense. Yay. Its about you and you alone. No need for god and gurus. It is said dont make an Image out of me (god) now I understand it! If you were born without the images you would be only yourself but you would feel connected but have no need for words like guru and god.

[@stefankatomova-nikolova213]

Reading your words, I understand better and better. Your English is perfect for our communication. Thank you!

[@DPLS77]

thank you

[@KINGJUNAID555]

The Greatest Person Ever Born...

[@ioannisaliazis]

d*t = f A cool equation, desire * time = fear 😊🙏🏼

[@sumithrasiva1507]

Its the anticipation that causes uncertainities and fear.

[@metipallearuna223]

Yes sometimes,thought can realize its reaction to a uncondotional fear and movement of destitution.

[@elpirata5468]

he was fearless

[@apikmin]

❤

[@scottlandyard4264]

Is desire not the root of every human attachment? Even if one achieves a fearless manner of living, can one exist on this plane of reality without desire and function in the day to day mundane rituals and tasks? I think not.

[@esmaeilpr6444]

Be fair about it. Nobody except him done it. Everyone has alot of desire to fulfill so just listen to k, s speech and goes over. Its need alot of compassion and nothing have self centred activity. But we melt in tradition and culture. And befor being mature we were misused and have memoirs on others mind. This is impediment and excuse

[@DOG_Mafia]

Well maybe the lesson isn’t about not having desire… but understanding where fear comes from… once you understand where dear come from then maybe your perspective on desire will change, like accepting the fact that fear is apart of it

[@DOG_Mafia]

Most people fear what they don’t understand so we must understand fear and accept that it comes with this human experience and maybe it will help you to actually not fear… if that makes sense😂😂

[@krox477]

There can be desires to reduce human suffering. Not all desires need to be suppressed.

[@zovalentine7305]

F eel E verything A R elax

[@stefankatomova-nikolova213]

His definition of desire as the movement of thought creating psychological time is great. Yes they are responsible of fear. But isn't he confusing psychological and chronological time in the example with the dog?

[@NghiLa-yv6kv]

❤❤❤❤❤, Greatest thanks JK🇮🇳! … Best blessed wishes Y🌎‘All!..