Is Draco Too Strong? Cross Class Comparisons!

This video is meant to be more thought provoking topic discussion than pure hard analysis. I'm not trying to say she's the most broken thing in the game, but they have made one unit who's not a berserker, effective against too many classes. So as we compare across classes ask yourself, do you think draco is too strong?
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[@Khadroth]

Again this is meant to be more thought provoking rather than hard analysis. How do you guys feel about draco? Especially when looking at the capability of the other classes? Would you recommend her to a new player as their go to single target damage dealer? Thanks for watching again! I'm on vacation now finally! I'm going to try and keep the uploads going though! If you'd like to see more don't forget to like and subscribe!

[@NanoPhoenix]

The main thing I see as holding Draco back is that all the story bosses that I found to be most challenging are not servants so she lacks her np damage mod

[@hcbnb]

Important thing to note there is a cc that can give roman trait to enemies enabling her 40% damage mod on her third skill.

[@seph4707]

I actually wish you did compare alter ego / pretender damage, cause Alter Ego / Pretender / Berserker are all wide-ranging 1.5x class advantage units more directly comparable to Draco. Albeit, its good to know how well she competes with the 2x damage classes ... that's pretty nuts.

[@seph4707]

The idea that Draco can be called overrated is insane actually. She's not. She literally has the most coverage and best resistances of any servant and her damage is well above par.

[@nknown3982]

Why not just use Vlad or galatea, they got more coverage and aren't reliant to damage mod

[@StellaTheBoymoder]

​@@nknown3982 Draco has 26k effective HP while Vlad and Galatea only have 7k, it's a huge difference

[@kamisama20]

​@@nknown3982Draco better for cq, she tankier than both

[@Azure70]

One thing that I think is important to consider is that 1. Not all enemies are servants 2. Not all enemies that looks like servants are actually servants Going by the calculations I did (could be wrong) and putting aside the servant modifier. At NP1 an unit needs to do above 29.8K damage to outdamage Draco.

[@PlushieMistress]

I simply think servant enemies are not as common . A bunch of servant looking enemies in main story are not servants : ivan, skadi, vlaks, godjuna, yu meiren, xiang yu, fae knights, morgan ….. this problem is however fixed by the CC for non farming scenarios so eh Its more consistent in 90++ farming yes but that’s just the last wave, any high hp mid boss can wall her. I think she is a fair tradeoff to berserkers and is more susceptible to how enemy lineups are but also more dominating when it lines up, making her a very fair and above average servant but not overboard imo.

[@PlushieMistress]

Ofc it can just be personal experience, bc whenever I try to test her the node is like 70% of the time not servants lol.

[@davidsamudio3899]

Yeah I would agree with that, I have said time and time again that most of her powerbudget is funelled into her class and her Overcharge, while she does have very powerfull skills, they Really basic, and her OC while powerfull, only works on servants, I like the Trade off, Extremelly powerfull class at the cost of lower damage on non servants

[@morsayxd4441]

@@davidsamudio3899 basic ???? idk chief i havenerver seen a servantwith good gainstats and 30% charge per turn and there is only 4 unit that have 40% atk up for 3t , it is even more absurd for draco consider her atk is in the top 5 highest atk in the game and she has 3 buster card with again good gains

[@xanaviii]

Agree about the beserker trade off. I think people still have the impression that extra class enemies are rare, but espcially for a single target servant, CQ or bosses are more and more likely extra class.

[@davidsamudio3899]

@@morsayxd4441 her kit is basic man, Basic doesn't mean bad, Look at Arjuna alter, but at her core is basically charge per turn, crit and two powermods, the numbers are very high, but it doesn't stop being basic

[@Talyrion]

Over the whole roster, I don't think Draco is particularly busted, only really good. She's a strong boss-killing unit, but at least in story, most boss battles tend to be extra class nowadays, and are often not Servants. However, I can't help thinking that she's basically shitting on the Foreigner class as a whole.

[@sezzomon6625]

The Foreigner class has Van Gogh so they're fine honestly.

[@seph4707]

I mean the foreigner as a class is pretty bad. Individual units not necessarily but the best thing they got is resisting berserkers.

[@davidsamudio3899]

​@@sezzomon6625 they also have kukulkan, and she is the only unit in the game with Self Anti purge defensa

[@sezzomon6625]

@@seph4707 I meant that the class enables Van Gogh support to it's fullest.

[@sezzomon6625]

@@davidsamudio3899 sadly without foreigner passive though

[@jeanniemaycrawford4466]

Imo she's just like the berserker class Except with slightly less class drawbacks

[@xanaviii]

Agree, but even that is a bit debatable. Her defensive points make her better against the original classes, but she's useless against extra classes. And extra classes are more relevant for single target servants.

[@crown4454]

@@xanaviii berserk can go all class so berserk still better? Even galatea seems better than this right?

[@xanaviii]

@@crown4454 Yeah, I'd say it depends on your preference. Dmg wise, beserkers definitely still have the better coverage. But I can see why some will argue that the fact that Draco takes half dmg from the original classes is broken.

[@morsayxd4441]

slightly ??? XD you must not use berserkers often or you would know how frustrating it is to get one or 2 shotted

[@jeanniemaycrawford4466]

@@morsayxd4441 but they're effective against almost all classes for such a huge drawback Beasts are weak against an entire subclass.....

[@Ryleona_]

Plushie wants to know your location.

[@PlushieMistress]

Well we do different type of testing anyways therefore we came out with different conclusions. I simply don’t see her damage as that good against non servants and perhaps due to how I play (even tho I do solo) I undervalue her defensive advantage. So its normal to have different takes.

[@crown4454]

Lmao hes here

[@Chronopie]

While she doesn't outpace every individual ST unit in their specific class/niche, the fact remains that she's going to be a prime choice for mixed class nodes. Since she resists all the core classes, while slapping hard enough to replace any but the best in class, she does the work of several more specific servants. If, for example, you have a mixed knight classes node, she's going to be more consistent than most of the top choices, who'd have to contend with advantage/neutral/disadvantage. While not dying to a light breeze like a Berserker would. Or even in a Grail Front, where you have a very, very... very limited party cost. Assuming you have an Extra slot. (And Kama needs a buff, Lasagne!)

[@Azure70]

I think Grail Front might be fantastic for her. Cause your are only fighting servants there which help with her NP damage

[@thomaskoutsogiannis3449]

People tend to ignore and forget that against non-Servant enemies(many of the things you want to singletarget down are not Servants,including many story bosses that are Servants most of the time,like the LB fairies and Morgan),Draco's performance drops significantly compared to a full advantage regular unit.

[@morsayxd4441]

significantly iss an overrstatement when her face card dmg are still the best in the game while her kit give her good np spammibility and crit consistency , add to the mix the free roman cc and you get a naughty unit

[@aablanco48]

​@@morsayxd4441 saying her face card dmg is the best in the game is The Overstatement. I love Draco but she ain't Super Orion

[@thefreaks8926]

@@morsayxd4441super Orion & van gogh: 🧍🏻🧍🏼‍♀️

[@kamisama20]

She extremely op and when u have her u basically dont care about 7 main class weakness and just bring her to anywhere in the cq, she basically very flexible, u dont need to care about trait, alightment or anything like that, just seeing an 7 main class and u know u can add her to the party

[@PGM991]

i judge servant from both sides. damage they delt when attack and damage they receive when attacked.

[@portaelrex]

I don't see it as a bad thing. I also play Arknights and some units are known to be top tier like Ling who has some summons with overcharged stats on them but people just choose to not use her to have fun. Also it's a good thing for new player since they can cover a lot with a single servant. I'm still using Summer musashi for farming and I barely have any problems since hers and Artoria release.

[@Harbinger359]

Well, what I think this gets at is that it points back to what you've alluded to as the fundamental problem with FGO's system; they never really had a solid plan for Card Typing, so there's no core theme that ties all Quick units together anymore, or Arts units, or Buster units, besides the very basic mechanic of that card, which itself has been demolished over time to a certain extent. Servant design has been almost completely arbitrary for some time, and playing other games has really underscored this problem. I think the fact that each major colour Support before Koyanskaya fundamentally upended the game system and the meta indicates a problem in and of itself, but they at least were able to manage the damage to some extent until they started churning out monstrous AoE units in the post-Castoria era. It started with Arts, then spread to Buster, and Quick tried but could never really cut it because Lasagna never saw fit to give Quick Supports tailor-made to leverage their strengths to the Nth degree the way they did for the other two colours. What this all looks like to me is the very familiar "jump the shark" era that always comes with the latter years of a 40K edition. With the end of 7th for instance, everything went absolutely off the rails and the new stuff constantly ploughed under the old stuff. If you were one of the first codices you were in trouble. But 40K has always had the luxury of rebooting with a new edition when that happens. When a game gets so old it starts cracking under its own weight it really needs a sweeping refresh. DnD, same thing; look at 3.5. Obviously FGO can't really do that the same way, and unlike Doomers I see no reason it won't just keep lumbering on like some crazy golem, but I really have no idea where this is going because of that.

[@morsayxd4441]

what makes draco busted is how much her kit synergyze with her class and stat and her np , honestly the only thing that limits her is the lack of survavibility imo and i totally agree with your logic , if you have draco , you will rarely need another st unit when dealing with the 7 classes , she basically take care of all your st need for most part

[@xanaviii]

She's probably a must pull for new accounts, but i think the longer you play the game, she's just "good". At least the specialist options like NP5 3* or NP2+ 4* can still out damage her at NP1. The power creep really does seep in once you start assuming higher thsn NP 1 though.

[@zs190]

Just in term of damage, Vlad already existed and you could have done the same video on his damage that would also compare favorably to all the other classes too so really what Draco is someone that has less coverage than Vlad (OC servant only, ineffective against extra classes) for being more tanky against the 7 basic classes. I'm not even sure this is all that worthwhile of an exchange because despite being tanky, she lacks hard defensives for solo'ing and in a team environment, Castoria or the Merlins provide significant amount of hard defensives that renders the tankiness much less important, there is also taunt CE's on supports that tanks the damage for someone like Vlad. I don't think she's that broken, in the right scenario (against servants of 7 basic classes, which isn't that common), she's amazing, but outside of that niche, the existing berserkers like Vlad or Kintoki or Ecchan do a crapton of damage already and she doesn't really stand out among them in term of damage. I have her NP2 Level 100 on JP to play around with and like her but in 2 years, I'm not sure I would even summon for her on my main NA account. Edit: I think whether Draco is too strong should not be focused on damage like Khad did, she does berserker level damage, that's obvious. Instead I would ask, does it still matter to be traditionally tanky because that's what separates her from berserkers like Vlad. We are in a meta where there's castoria merlin stall, solo with units that have a ton of defensive tools built into kit (cu, herc, taira, qsh, etc), and a lot of strong 3T/4T looping setups. All of these largely avoids taking damage of any sort so being traditionally tanky does not even come into play. If your box is not developed or you like older school of play then I think Draco is obviously incredibly strong, but I think the devs probably decided if a unit is super strong only for the less advanced accounts, that's ok and I think that's right.

[@crown4454]

Even berserk can still loop, her np gain can't keep up

[@zs190]

@@crown4454Nah, she can loop fine. 30 NP charge per turn from skills help a lot, she can get some from refund from her NP and support NP charges to loop, it's not really an issue.

[@crown4454]

@@zs190 how much her refund?

[@zs190]

@@crown4454 With one Castoria on an assassin, she refunded about 31% vs Vlad 41% vs Galatea 43% all at NP1. Both Vlad and Galatea benefit more from additional Castoria than her but her refund is not that bad and 30% from skills are enough to make up for the lesser refund.

[@the_only_way7808]

I think draco is a servant that on paper seems insane but given the context of current state of the game I don't actually think she is broken. The weird specifications in her kit are actually enough to prevent her from being the go-to option for 90% of content. She honestly seems better for 90++ content than most boss fights imo.

[@rosalyneminci2596]

Does Draco havr any survival kit? Haven't checked her skills yes.

[@Azure70]

One of her skills has 1000 damage cut for 6 hits at max level She has buff removal resistance and debuff imunity But no actual survival skill like evade, invincibility or guts

[@rosalyneminci2596]

@@Azure70 thankss bro

[@Azure70]

@@rosalyneminci2596 She has a Arts NP. So assuming you have Castoria. Castoria could improve her survivality

[@Vierdro]

She seems really strong, but I think that might be balanced out by there be more frequent extra class enemies in the upcoming story so she won't always have advantage even with the wide range she has.

[@christianjoyce3853]

I hate what they did to Ozy. A nonlimited SSR dominating the entire class is ridiculous. I don't like Melusine, Tiamat, or Draco being OP either, but at least they're limited and it's possible that not everyone is going to have them. The thing is that any player can just get Ozy with the SSR ticket, so he invalidates all other ST riders, especially Quetzalcoatl. It's really infuriating that Lasengle doesn't buff servants fast enough to keep up with the rampant powercreep.

[@ryanwest6035]

Oh no they made a more easily available SSR Rider the strongest in a class with a broken 3 star and 2 busted welfares

[@sezzomon6625]

I feel like you're overhyping her a bit for how many drawbacks and conditions she has to do well. She's definitely a godsend for new accounts, but loses value the more you play. After using her in her own event with mlb dmg CE on the 90++ I have to say that she doesn't even hit that hard due to her conditions and class mod.

[@crown4454]

Yea the event bonus and ce she got 300 damage bonus, remove that then idk she still hit hard or not

[@sezzomon6625]

@@crown4454 She doesn't kill the hydra with double castoria and 300% dmg bonus without carding after np at np1

[@morsayxd4441]

@@sezzomon6625 if she cant i dont think any unit can kill the hydra in the same conditions , vlad at np1 wouldnt do much better , btw take in mind that 517k hp is a lot man for a np1 unit

[@MaximizingLIVE]

“Kama has a lot of other intangible reasons for taking her” *Me looking at my weakness for evil girls with white/silver hair*

[@Damoney125]

I was ok with her being another 1.5 damage class like the pretender and Alter Egos classes, but giving her the defensive advantage is a little much... I'm glad to hear that other beast servants down the road wont necessarily have those same traits

[@severren1095]

There are "Servant fights" that do not have the flag for the bonus damage As for extra classes. Jalter hits for 77k on neutral with her NP upgrade. Taira with her stacks is just insane when she hits a Genji due to the 200% Genji is Niche but there maybe in the future a genji trait apply CE since we got Roman, There's dragon that can be applied. We don't have a Genji apply yet. But they might not do that due to Taira's 200% anti genji damage which smacks About 20 units. Then there's other stuff. Also Beast Umu is ARTS so Castoria works.

[@gummiemonkey2022]

She definably falls off late game but for part 1 especially, she’s amazing since part 1 very early doesn’t have servant bosses. Same with 1.5 like shimosa with the swordsman battles. I think she’s pretty great early. But later on it’s more like if u have a 7 class she’s will be fine but in ordeal call I think she won’t have much time to shine

[@somar3753]

The problem is beast class made foreigner and alter ego somewhat obsolete. Foreigners entire gimmick is resisting berserkers, now Draco can do the same thing and much more. Same issue with alter ego, why bring it against cavalry when Draco can do the same while taking half the damage. Dealing extra damage against 7 classes is one thing, but adding resistance is straight up a powercreep

[@nevisysbryd7450]

I agree with the general complaint. She is a lot less valuable to better developed accounts who have a lit of single-targets who outperform her, though.

[@spacesui-t]

Every time a discussion like this happen I wonder - what Devs think about such unit? Is it as strong or weak as intended? Do they plan buffs/nerfs in response to what community thinks?

[@aablanco48]

I disagree with this review on 2 accounts: 1st: As many have already point out, That's Draco damage with 1 of her niches (Servant). If you were to also include other servants niches, many more would compete and surpass her dmg 2nd: This analysis is leaving out low rarities, who can punch way above their class (like Robin) and more importantly Welfares, who have always been great sources of NP dmg. With those included Draco's position on the dmg department lowers.

[@ryanwest6035]

Yeah ignoring that ushi, kintoki and cindi liz has her easily covered was a bit lol.

[@aablanco48]

@@ryanwest6035 and that is not even counting the welfares that have gotten an NP upgrade, like Shiki;

[@danween]

lmao this is such a based saber face review

[@crown4454]

Her a3 make her not saberface again

[@bleach4k239]

She's mid