Is Duolingo Max with Chat-GPT AI worth it?

[@judith9381]

I made my 200 day duolingo streak, which is an entirely meh announcement but I am ridiculously proud and no one in my life would care 😂

[@y_fam_goeglyd]

Good for you! I know how much work that is. Be proud of yourself!

[@claire2088]

congrats!!!

[@jojoh8067]

I care!

[@2D_Sphere]

Great job bro Keep going

[@themasstermwahahahah]

Never give up, never surrender

[@luke]

10 years from now they load Duolingo AI into an animatronic Duo owl who beats the shit out of you if you lose your streak.

[@MK8MasterJunjie]

How the hell do you have more subscribers than me?

[@moiseslopez2548]

I lost my streak 😭😭

[@WolfgangDoW]

@@moiseslopez2548 if you're using the mobile app, set your phone date to several days ago, whenever the streak was, do a lesson, set to next day, repeat Duo uses your phone date to check and only checks that it's a diff date to last lesson to count as a day in your streak You can roll back as far as needed with this too, weeks and even months if you can work through it to restore each day

[@moiseslopez2548]

@@WolfgangDoW thanks

[@chara2.o803]

@@WolfgangDoW now my family is safe

[@lumis2]

They should really integrate it into Super Duolingo. It's already pretty expensive...

[@markusklyver6277]

So this is why they deleted the Forums...

[@Newsreporter12]

80 dollars a year isn't too bad (however pretty debatable)

[@Newsreporter12]

@@AlphaGeekgirl I got Duolingo plus before it changed to super duolingo. I might have gotten the subscription during the discount time or somthing.

[@alexgreat3349]

useless app now. chatgpt 4 can do the same now. why i need to pay such a high fee to this app.

[@Newsreporter12]

@@alexgreat3349 u need to pay for chatgpt 4

[@shapelessed]

DuoLingo Max - An equivalent of releasing the AirPods right after "courageously" removing the headphone jack.

[@markusklyver6277]

So this is why they deleted the Forums...

[@FlopD0g0]

​@@markusklyver6277 makes sense

[@jchinckley]

@@markusklyver6277 What? Where? I still access the forums on the app. I can't post but I can read what's already been posted.

[@NotTranzPhatt]

Or reselling me AirPods Pro with a type c port

[@lurklingX]

ugh.... too soon. (that headphone jack thing made me so fkkng MAD. if nothing else, the stupid dongles but ALSO losing the ability to do headset at same time as charging. airpods give me migraines, so i can't use 'em.)

[@mackenziemc]

I’m at 1056 day streak. Last year around this time I was in the hospital with cancer and while I was terrified of dying I was also terrified of losing my streak.😂 I really enjoy Duolingo even though it’s sometimes difficult with my Dyslexia

[@tylermitchell7679]

omg I hope you are doing okay!

[@mackenziemc]

@@tylermitchell7679 I’m doing great now. Started and ended chemo all last year. No Leukemia left

[@Enpointe4]

My goodness your dedication is impressive. Duolingo should reward you! Glad you're doing better though.

[@Skiis44]

Hope you’re better. 2 years ago I was frantically trying to save my streak while hubby was driving us through a rain storm in Texas. Unbeknownst to us a tornado was going by about a mile away. Still have my streak.

[@fruitcakeandcookiess]

Oh my god what? 1056 day streak?!? That's so cool!! What language are you learning?

[@Vollkornmuffin44]

2023 in a nutshell: "What if we add Chat GPT to it?"

[@viktoriiabobnieva-km6nm]

😅

[@markusklyver6277]

So this is why they deleted the Forums...

[@myriampro4973]

Nah, just IAs. It works for anything, not just texts.

[@allanjmcpherson]

This sounds like Goldilocks pricing to me. It's a common strategy. A company makes one product (or service) that is fairly basic, a second product (service) that's noticeably nicer for a fair bit more money, and a third option that's only marginally nicer but way more expensive to make the second option look like a steal. The point of the third option isn't to sell the third option. It's to make people choose the middle option because they feel like they're getting a deal.

[@charlesjoseph9842]

This sounds a lot like how I use BingAI to help with my Japanese, but BingAI does that for free. It's not perfect by any means, but it's helped me wrap my head around grammar stuff that I was confused about, and I was able to have some nice simple practice conversations. The only real difference I see with the Duolingo AI thing would be the ability to talk to the duo specific characters, but that just does not seem worth the price to me.

[@ToiMemes]

Exactly!!

[@yellowyoda274]

Same, but Snapchat AI

[@utha2665]

I just use Chat GPT for free 😁

[@renarich4942]

Thanks

[@catsruleacbanonogismanbo6107]

I also do the same to help me learn but Chat GPT.

[@DeadDancers]

I have aggressively told Duolingo an answer was wrong because it (technically) was but I was also wrong as well. People like me could train the machine into being wrong more often.

[@emretopal1233]

Thankfully ChatGPT doesn't train from user input.

[@markusklyver6277]

So this is why they deleted the Forums...

[@kekw3204]

@@markusklyver6277 we understood, buddy, no need to keep pasting the same idiotic comment thousands of times.

[@LauraDFTBA]

I love the Duo plushie lurking in the background, v on brand. I am so tired of every company and their uncle jumping on chat AIs. Not that any of Duolingo's new changes really effect me - as a Swedish learner it's very obvious (and frustrating) that the real care is focused on French/Spanish.

[@y_fam_goeglyd]

I was just about to mention the forums when you did. I packed in my nearly complete French course after their "redesign" and have restarted Dutch (the redo messed up my many notebooks worth of study system, I changed my style for the Dutch). Without active forums it's making it much harder than learning at school. What I don't get is the "guidebook" at the start of each unit is only a few sentences which turn up in the exercises. There's not one grammar lesson in it! After nearly 1500 days without a break it's very disappointing.

[@markusklyver6277]

So this is why they deleted the Forums...

[@RichardHoogstad]

There is a restart option? I also miss a more elaborate way to explain grammar. My guess is they removed it because it takes away from the fun factor, but maybe they can add it as optional side thing.

[@catsruleacbanonogismanbo6107]

Imo they should have gave the option to switch or not to already existing users.

[@watchingworm]

I heard that ChatGPT 4 is quite expensive to use. Some developer said that 200 messages can cost as much as 10 dollars.

[@wyqtor]

You can get a subscription for 20$, which currently gives you access to 25 messages with ChatGPT4 every 3 hours. That's 100 messages in a 12-hour period, so in two days you can get your 200 messages. AND you can use the unlimited and blazing fast ChatGPT 3.5 for the simpler queries. For simpler language learning questions it is more than capable.

[@jamesbuchanan1913]

It's strange to me that they didn't do the obvious thing, which is to allow AI to develop infinite exercises.

[@RuaTheRapoet]

They need to system to be 'polished' enough. AI (at least at this point) is too ramshackle with what it can develop (brilliant one moment, next moment doesn't know anything). Hence the limited uses where they know it'll be pretty consistent.

[@wyqtor]

Or to outsource the volunteers, adding the languages that we have been requesting for ages!

[@Drew-Dastardly]

By far the hardest part of learning a language is not the strange alphabets and runes, which are very worthwhile for anyone to learn. Online text discourse is relatively easy. It is actually hearing and speaking it in real life which is the hardest. My introduction was hearing Russians "cyka blyat" when I nailed them on CSGO. So good! I think if a ChatGP AI is coupled with a language AI (I mean a speech AI) to interact with it would be an excellent use rather that learning nothing but swear words (which are also essential).

[@himalayansalt32]

Do you know anything else aside from сука блять

[@craigbryant9925]

This is my feeling on everything that is currently integrating AI. We, the consumers, are paying to improve the features developed by these tech companies who will then go on to use the improved versions in other fields for which they will charge us even more money.

[@teresagreen1385]

I’m on a 153 day streak learning Italian. I have the Super version, seeing as I’m learning neither French nor Spanish it doesn’t sound like I’ll need to worry about the Max version any time soon!

[@sarabaldeschwieler7763]

I like Junior. He balances my inner Lily.

[@durabelle]

Yes please to a video of you learning Finnish! Also impatiently waiting for a Tampere vlog on the other channel. Us Finns just love hearing foreigners' opinions of our country 😆

[@evan]

Coming soon!

[@chriskix]

The roleplay feature seems pretty cool but I'm afraid it wouldn't be much use to people like me who are learning more rare languages. There's less media online for AI to consume to learn say, Gaidhlig, which has fewer than 100,000 speakers worldwide and even less who are considered fluent. And I can tell you just from seeking further learning opportunities online, there are not many people out there writing, creating videos, etc in the language. There just is not much active discourse taking place in Gaidhlig online for AI to observe. So, that sucks. We already don't get stories on duo with Gaidhlig, and the forums feature was really the best way to deepen understanding of the language inside the app. I've turned to Reddit, KZbin, books, music etc for further enrichment but i would've done that anyway. The forums are missed.

[@chrisrom8571]

Why learn a language with less than 100,000 speakers then?

[@blue_rose789]

Just commenting about the cost, but basically GPT-4 is incredibly expensive. They have different context models, but even the lower model is extremely expensive to use. Duolingo being a partner, I imagine they're getting a special rate, but I don't doubt that it's still going to cost them a lot due to the computational cost required to run GPT-4.

[@wyqtor]

Maybe the API, the 20$ ChatGPT Plus subscription is quite reasonable IMHO, even with current messaging limitations due to demand.

[@blue_rose789]

@@wyqtor that's what I meant. The $20 is for the web page use, but for individual companies to integrate chatgpt to their own systems they need the api access.

[@CoralineDark]

I already figured out how to use Chat GPT to practice, do quizzes, check my writing, have convos, list Vocab, etc. feel like I don’t need to pay Duolingo to continue doing that

[@stecky87]

Getting rid of forums just to put them behind a paywall is a dick move

[@nicokelly6453]

I love your duolingo updates because it's a nice variety in your videos plus I like seeing your takes on it whether or not I've even noticed the changes on my Duo app haha

[@CHIEF_Games]

I'm also pretty bummed they took away the awesome audio lessons (they were like Coffee Break podcasts with great hosts). And took away the stories section where you could just read all the stories which always helped me a lot

[@Thatboymeher]

So basically they removed the “comment section” on each answer, moreover simultaneously removed the ability of Duolingo users to help each other and explain the answers to each other (for free), to integrate a paid version of exactly what was mentioned…thanks Duo

[@andricheli]

I have the Duolingo family plan which our family loves and uses regularly. it's $119/year but has been well worth it. However, I cannot justify the jump for $239/year to get Max. Hopefully the price will come down at some point or they will just integrate it into the regular premium plan.

[@lurklingX]

thank you for posting the actual cost of duolingo.

[@voyager8195]

What pisses me off is if you write a sentence and miss something like “oh” or “ok” and the rest of the sentence is correct it says you are wrong grrrr

[@juliolopes8659]

I hate this too

[@fnym9rdsavsffdik9a25]

they should have added chat-gpt to the normal non-paid version but only make it so that they only have a set amount of prompts they can give to chat-gpt maybe 5-10 a month and then you can pay to remove the limit, it would give a taste of duo max without making it so that the server cost's would duplicate or triple

[@RateOfChange]

I asked chatGPT which weighs more: 1kg of water or 1kg of water. It said 1kg of ice weighs more and tried me to convince in any way it could, providing a bunch of very convincing (yet flawed) points to backup its claim. It insisted, even when I pointed its flaws. If I wasn't a physicist, I'd probably fall for its lies. I also use chatGPT for programming and sometimes it makes some very weird mistakes that cause the code to break. Honestly, I wouldn't trust this AI to teach me anything. I also heard Khan Academy is already experimenting with this thing and I can only feel sorry for those who rely on it to teach them stuff like mathematics, sciences and so on. Edit: nice to know you're learning Portuguese. It is my first language. Greetings all the way from Brazil.

[@JasperCasper24]

I was just thinking "They're bringing back the community forum but as AI" lol Also for android vs iOS, on android, on those "tap the words to form a sentence" we still don't have that dragging feature to move them around. they'll take their sweet time.

[@FilmSetView]

Is that Duolingo reality show trailer an April's fool joke? It came too early for that but perhaps it was April 1st somewhere in the world when I saw it

[@sander_bouwhuis]

I have to say, the roleplay feature sounds very interesting. But... I'm learning Chinese on an Android tablet, so it's unfortunately not even an option for me.

[@sander_bouwhuis]

@Ryan_1553 Yes, especially considering I'm a paying customer.

[@alexandrafoley4470]

this has basically just inspired me to use AI to chat in the languages im learning

[@teolinek]

I wonder, how helpful a "normal" chat GPT could be in learning a language. Chatting for free, correcting mistakes...

[@Ph34rNoB33r]

The free ChatGPT based on GPT3.5 can be a bit weird. It guessed a verb stem wrong in French, and then added the usual endings, that way inventing a new verb form. It also used some common English phrases translated word by word. And worst of all, you will always get an answer, even if the AI doesn't know. All that is basically part of the concept and can only be reduced, not eliminated. I guess GPT4 might be better, even if just for the bigger pool of training data and parameters. I'd assume most of the custom applications like Bing or Duolingo to be based on that version. (Accessing GPT4 at openai requires a paid subscription, so people tend to go to bing even though it has certain limits that are meant to reduce the rate of death threats that come from the AI)

[@teolinek]

@@Ph34rNoB33r Well, I had some strange/funny conversations with ChatGPT hallucinating about stuff. Like the common origins of some words in German and Swedish, strange letter count and so on. But maybe if you just ask "normal" questions? Nothing tricky? Maybe it could help with basic conversation training?

[@Liggliluff]

@@Ph34rNoB33r When you ask it to generate rhymes and such for other languages, even asking it in those other languages, it seems to generate the rhymes in English then translates them, or it's just randomly making stuff up. English rhymes are pretty good, other languages not so much.

[@Ph34rNoB33r]

@@Liggliluff Rhymes in non-English is something meant to be better in GPT4, though I haven't tried. Somebody had ChatGPT generate a Haiku (which has three lines of 5/7/5 syllables), and it messed up that as well. Not sure whether that's because of being based on "tokens" which are not exactly syllables, or whether it cannot count. Or maybe both.

[@markusklyver6277]

@@Ph34rNoB33r So this is why they deleted the Forums...

[@TheGTRacer97]

As a Finn I definitely was not expecting my language be mentioned in one of your videos, hope you enjoyed your stay!

[@wasifzaki]

Your videos are crisp and color correction is on point. Well Done bro!

[@jphwife]

We are heading to Quebec next month, so I upgraded to Max for a month or two. It does help to force me to try to converse. I won’t keep it after our trip, but I think it will be good for practice before I go. And for the record, I am a female iOS user learning French, so you were spot on there! LOL

[@noahsarkhive4482]

I think they should def sponsor you, because due to you I got my mum, my friend and myself to start duolingo n we're close to a 2 month streak n it's really fun (we also share a family account :3 ) The interesting thing is - My mum is currently doing a propper super expensive English course (paid for by the job centre ), while also simultaneously doing duo lingo. She says overall, she has more fun with duolingo and it's better structured n easier to learn (and she keeps recommending it to her fellow course mates xD ) Soooo, yeah. I think you should get that sponsor cause who knows how many people have joined just because of you by now :")

[@christellearth]

I am a little tired of people complaining that Duolingo is expansive. Try to get the same learning from a school or private tuition. Even at £120/year it is still cheap. I am french living in the UK. It took me years to learn English and it was painful. I spent a lot of money buying books and many years at school learning the language and it was was a really poor result at the end. I am fluent in English now because I live here but it was painful. I decided to learn Norwegian for the fun of it, also I am going on holiday there this summer. I have been learning Norwegian for 3 months with Duolingo. I am absolutely amazed by how much I learned in such short amount of time, especially because I know no one else who speaks Norwegian. All I have is TV, podcasts, KZbin and Duolingo. AI will be welcome in order to have some kind of dialogue with somebody. I am with you on the free trial though. It would be interesting to see how good it is before committing. I don’t know if Duolingo is reading any of this but a feature I’d like to see is being able to find other people who learn the same language inside the App. Just my thoughts

[@outfitmadeofawesome]

If you want the Chat GPT role play, you can just pay for open AI chat premium account and use GPT-3.5 for the same purpose. I just tested it and it can play the role of a character in many different languages--more than just spanish and french! It can also correct your grammar. Chat GPT-4 is better but you only have 20 messages per day. GPT-3.5 is still good at it and there is no message cap. I speak French and it did a great job as a correspondence/role play chat bot. It's grammatical knowledge is great and it corrected my intentional mistakes upon being prompted. It doesn't offer corrections unless you ask, which is also good IMO as it doesn't interrupt the flow of the conversation. Obviously it's not as robust as the Duolingo version, but if you're interested in AI already it's a good app that can do a lot more than just language role play and chat.

[@latioselatias]

I wish Duolingo had kept the podcasts: they were so interesting! I used to listen to them during my commuting 😢

[@francis_n]

They are still available! OK they've been on a break for some time but assume they're producing more seasons. I've got a massive back catalogue to catch up

[@GarrettOHara]

ChatGPT is free and quite good at explaining, “Explain the grammar of ‘Me gusta los deportes,’” etc. I also asked it to converse with me in early CEFR A1 Spanish and correct me when I’m wrong, and it did the job.

[@herrengelsful]

This video made me download Duolingo again and restart my Spanish course. Tbh last time I used it must have been 4-5 years ago - I'm loving the new update and gamification features!

[@srenefoster]

I've been wondering what happened to the comments! I've been using Duolingo for almost six years (2154 day streak) as one of my language learning tools - and overall have found it beneficial (varying greatly depending on the language) - but the comments were one of the most useful/entertaining features. I'm disappointed that they have been removed. I have no intention of paying for Max until it offers more features.

[@wyqtor]

I get Duolingo Max included for ALL human languages with my ChatGPT Plus subscription, which, let's see: also helps with coding, with interpreting my medical results, with learning complex subjects... You can see where I'm going, right? The only thing literally needed is for me to copy-paste or type the sentence I don't understand into ChatGPT Plus, and I get the same results, plus all of the above, for 20$ / month. OpenAI - NOT Duolingo - has changed language learning forever!

[@sampriest12]

The lack of a free sample has me like “I’m good.”

[@christianb9077]

I use Duolingo but I don't like the direction they are going. They're quite a bit like predatory Pay to Win games these days, imo - especially on the app. The web version is OK (for now). However, removing the forums wasn't a great move and I really still don't like the new linear skill path. Which is why I didn't renew my subscription to super after two years. I totally get that they have to make money, which is why I don't use an AdBlocker on their site, watch commercials for hearts on the app and, in the past, even subscribed. However, whenever Duolingo is throwing their commercial for Super at me, it reminds me that all their "free learning for everyone" is just a hollow phrase. The ad actually tells you that they're gimping the learning experience on purpose so they can sell you Super. That's devious.

[@KSweeney36]

It’s been a year since you made this video. Like many things in live once started takes to bed in and be used to best. Has Duo improved on this after a year or are we still looking at the same thing?

[@evan]

I think so. I think they’ve added quite a bit over the last year in features. And either way I’ve progressed a lot which always feels nice

[@MagnusItland]

Remember when Duolingo used to be kind of like a nonprofit trying to make the world a better place? As opposed to, you know, maximizing quarterly earnings and the usual NYSE stuff.

[@FilmSetView]

The forums have been useful but too often now the answers are not related to a particular exercise because they have been altered - Duo for me is becoming less useful than lessons on KZbin where I can still ask questions and get an answer from other viewers or perhaps even the teacher. I can also repeat all the lessons from the very beginning - Duo treats returning to old lessons as if I already know it! Why would I return to old lessons if that was the case? Yes, Duo was useful for getting started and it is more convenient when it comes to doing exercises and getting instant feedback,but I am increasingly relying on other sources - not sure I bother trying to reach that 1000 day streak now. (That would be in the autumn). There are many good language learning apps with different strengths but they demand payment in order to progress from rather early on: i think it is the main reason reason why Duolingo is so popular... but it will change if they keep putting more features behind an expensive paywall!

[@samsam21amb]

As an Android user, Duolingo seems more similar to the desktop than the iOS mobile version like we didn’t even have the path separated into groups until like a few weeks ago, and legendary courses are still limited 3 hearts unlike unlimited on iOS… also since I have an iPad, but an android phone, on iOS you can drag your answers around, but on android and computer you can’t and you have to rewrite the whole sentence… and achievements slightly differ between versions, like iOS has: complete x amount of legendary lessons achievement, but android doesn’t, and vice versa… it’s confusing.

[@katem5077]

Duo should pay you Evan. Very interesting review, thanks. It was a lot better before, I don't think they appreciate the disruption to your learning when they change things. Took me ages to recover from the introduction of legendaries....Always a treat Evan

[@vannareyne6336]

Personally, I think AI could still be much better than the forums since Duolingo can input so much data, it doesn't have to pull wrong information off other websites. We'll see how well they "train" it though.

[@alanschwartz1815]

Looking forward to your upcoming video on learning a new language -- like you, I do it often, when visiting a country just to get up to use on everyday phrases.: hello, nice to meet you, thank you. Surprised that most apps don't start there . . they start with things like "I am a man". Or, "here are 3 apples". Have you found apps that have a "phrase book" like approach? Also, some basics on how to handle the phonetics is usually key . . but usually overlooked.

[@morganlancer]

I think its definetly worth it. 113 pounds per year is less than 10 pounds per month, now I don't know the UKP-USD conversion rate, but ChatGPT+ currently goes for 20 usd/month. So you are dealing with a ChatGPT implementation that is specialized in teaching a language. I can see how a user who only would use ChatGPT for learning languages can see true value in this.

[@IvelinaDobreva]

I understand your point, but in the longterm it's normal that they make you pay for features, at the end of the day it is their business and they would like to gain money. We are not obliged to use this app, there are plenty of options out there. But yes, they may have added additional features and not just make the previous features paid.

[@SirVerrocchio]

Mateeeeeee you Come Back !!!!! You´re amazing

[@kamilagrabara2812]

I gave it a go for a month. You do get 2 free weeks of trial and then you’ve 2 weeks after the purchase date to claim refund from Apple Store. The role play is good and it follows what you’re saying but it’s not super flexible. For example if you say you went to the cinema last night it will ask a question about the movie but it won’t really follow your lead if you’re asking it questions. The explain errors feature I found hit and miss. I don’t think it always explained the error I made, it gave weird examples that weren’t adding value and it wasn’t very exhaustive in the answers. I got a family plan (we’re all on Super now) but it didn’t work for everybody. I think I’ll wait until it’s more developed and give it a go again.

[@onisakura9]

"...confidently giving you wrong information," so Reddit for learning a language.

[@hazldinho9910]

Entertaining summary, following your lead on this

[@dentescare]

As a linguist, i thanked you mentioned the correct term, no this is not AI but Machine learning. The problem with machine learning nowadays is like a child with a shape toy, knowing how to fix a shape to a hole is not that complex. Language needs contextual and semantic information that should be evaluated by a human being, machine learning doesn't understand the nuance of meaning or context-sensible responds, just predictability. So, even us, linguists haven't reach to a point to understand fully this intricacies, because semantics and pragmatics aren't as predictable as morphology (how to combine words, suffixes, sentences, etc), then machine learning is still working in a blind spot, matching patterns without really understanding what they means. And that's why this is not an AI, just machine learning

[@Liggliluff]

Isn't AI artificial intelligence, anything that appears intelligent to some degree, and is artificial? Such as machine learning. To me, AI is a very broad term, while machine learning is a more specific term. It's basically saying "It's not cutlery, it's a fork".

[@dentescare]

@@Liggliluff no, that's not how intelligence works, Siri isn't intelligent bc it knows your life patterns. That underestimated what actually conform an intelligent being. A dog isn't intelligent bc it's happy when you pet it, that's just a reaction to predictable patterns. And Google translate doesn't understand the meaning behind translating a ancient philosophical extract, it just predicted what it's most likely to be replaced in that morphological context

[@wyqtor]

Dude, you should pay 20$ for at least a month and get to know ChatGPT-4. You'd change your mind very quickly!

[@sharleneconopio837]

I agree with you 100%!!!! I was so upset when they removed the forum!!

[@bobbyparrish5025]

I just went to open ai, and said, “role play with me in simple Polish”. It says sure, ask for a topic and starts talking with me, FOR FREE

[@gregg06x]

Thanks for your video. I had an android and I believe Max was available in USA. I never purchased it though. I don’t know why they removed user comments. It was very very useful. At $168 usd I just can’t see paying that. I’d rather hire a tutor at that cost.

[@hotrodjones74]

The roleplay feature will likely only be for major languages. Norwegian doesn't even have any stories yet. Faen! Jævla Duolingo! I just use PDF textbooks I downloaded for free and Norwegian TV series/films on free streaming services.

[@TheOnlyKeksSuchti]

A friend of mine did a PhD developing a roleplay app like that for Welsh, hope all his work isn't deemed useless.... :(

[@blackrookgaming]

After many requests I am still waiting for Duolingo to introduce a dark mode for the PC app. The current bright white wall is just killing my eyes.

[@bookswmadi]

hey Evan, I'd be interested to maybe see you discuss Fluyo by Ikenna! He often relates it to being similar to duolingo but with the aims of being better. I could be cool to see videos similar to your Duo videos with this app as it progresses

[@johannarauha]

You speaking Finnish suddenly caught me so off guard😅 I didn’t even know you visited us!

[@brad4013]

My Super Duolingo Family Plan costs $175 AUD per year. My kids and I use it to learn /practice Spanish. The Duolingo Max Family Plan will cost me $360 AUD per year 😮 This is quite a lot of money. There is no free trial either 😕

[@lucasprestenbach9348]

i am a little mad that they took away the forum feature entirely, but im not mad they took that function away from the free version. capitalism babayyy (on another note, i bought the super subscription for the whole year by accident one time, canceled it, but the benefits never went away. the subscription ended abt three years ago, and the only noticeable thing that went away was the special app cover. i’ve keep checking my bank account to see if i’m tripping, but they haven’t taken any more money and i still have unlimited hearts and i can test out of any unit if i want)(pls do not tell the owl)

[@lisathurman5267]

I like you viewpoint. They used to have the chat forum and you could see human explanations for your mistakes. Now you have to pay for it. Thankfully I have a Spanish teacher and I write down my questions to review with her.

[@6hZCBpMy]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

[@PeterPrestonUK]

I get the impression that although you’re not sponsored by Duolingo, you are well & truly all-in with them thanks to your 7 year streak. What scenario would make you let that slide? I’m looking at some options, and for the money, Rocket is now looking more appealing - it has the AI ‘role play’ option.

[@pikalize]

It's like 10 euros a month (considering you buy the yearly subscription). Sure, it's kind of expensive, but you get all super features + AI powered stuff. I think it's really not that expensive, especially compared to other kinds of subscription such as Spotify premium (which I will never pay for).

[@Luggruff]

Massively disappointed that they limited which languages it is available for, considering Chat-GPT handles most languages. So right now, I will just stick with using Chat-GPT teach me Greek, as I have already made it my personalized tutor..

[@chinhthehugger9284]

jesus. I havent seen your content in a while, so just suddenly seeing this video and you with this hairstyle stunned me

[@SandyRyeng]

Turns out the price difference is even higher in Norway. Max is actually double the price of Super Duolingo. 899NOK for Super Duolingo, 1790NOK for Max.

[@steph4691]

"straight, white woman. You can come too" 😂😂😂😂

[@mrdinosaurproductions9507]

I feel like 12 and a half bucks isn’t awful, but I definitely see your point. I’m sure they will eventually add much more valuable features, and if I paid I would just stick to super still.

[@MCSCMusic]

Laughing at the ending - beans!

[@joshuafp5727]

Considering chat gpt is a free open AI...I dont see why I should pay an extortionate amount extra to use it within a language learning app. Especially an app that was pushing it's luck charging what it does for super duolingo when the benefits are really really really not worth the amount of money you pay for it

[@christianb9077]

No, it's not free if a company wants to use it in their products. You can use it (to some extent) personally for free.

[@joshuafp5727]

@@christianb9077 I know it's not free for the company to use, but their price per person is not justifiable. As you say, gpt is free to an extent for the public to use anyway so paying for its integration is just not necessary, the only thing that offers is convenience. Duolingo super isn't expensive but it's expensive for what it is and what it offers, Duolingo max is just a smack in the face to the consumers, $30 a month or $170 a year for chat gpt integration is laughable. The only good deed they're doing is keeping the app free by choice and not pay walling it like most apps

[@neuralwarp]

There's a lot of gaps in Duo. Nahuatl, Quechua, Sanskrit, Ancient Greek, Babylonian, Maori, Cornish, Romanche, Afrikaans, Anglo-Saxon, Quenya, Toki Pona, ...

[@danielribastandeitnik9550]

For me the forum was useless. Normally there would be multiple opinions inside a thread and since there was no teacher or moderator to give the correct answer, in the end was just a pile of guesses by the users. Normally what I do when I got something wrong is to just google about it. Yes, it takes time to find the answer sometimes, but you always learn something new in the end.

[@ItsHyposts]

funniest thing about this is you can literally input 3 prompts and ChatGPT will do the exact same thing

[@neuralwarp]

I'm doing about 25 DuoLingo languages. Some are awful, eg Korean. Hebrew has improved a lot recently. But the fonts are too small for some alphabets.

[@marcosmartinez9241]

Just an observation... GPT-4 it's the motor behind Chat-GPT, it's incorrect to say they are integrating it into Duolingo, I mean, Chat-GPT it's the interface to interact with the AI model.

[@victoria139]

8:02, as someone learning Welsh that was funny, accurate, and made me want to cry

[@NotJulius44]

Super DUOLINGO has become only a remove ads, and practice modes. They removed the ability to download the lessons, removed mini podcasts and more... should I cancel my subscription now or wait?

[@Julia_Swiftie1387]

If we just open an AI and say our level in the language and ask a subject for it to talk with us, wouldn’t it work?

[@sowhatchajen2846]

I’ve been doing Korean on the free version. I’m still learning mostly basics but there are a few times that the pronunciation of couple of the consonants sounds like they just doubled the voice. It makes it hard to hear the actual pronunciation.

[@heatherbc7914]

I started Korean on Duo three years ago and it was the same then! Can't believe they haven't fixed it

[@sowhatchajen2846]

@@heatherbc7914 I can’t believe it’s been happening that long and not fixed. It makes learning more difficult.

[@khaosklub]

I believe duolingo had a chat feature before, which they removed, where you'd chat with some sort of AI in the target language. I've seen it on iPhone before. this was years ago too.

[@khaosklub]

yeah, looking into it, they had chat bots for spanish, french, and german back in like 2016 on iPhone

[@faelc]

Thank you for the video, saved me to spending extra money 😊❤

[@theheartyaerie]

So when are you doing the math video? I’m interested in the thoughts of a duo fan with a math degree

[@RichardHoogstad]

This is what I think happened (I am working software engineer so I have a bit of a feeling what typical things happen in a software company) - a Team of developers or product owner comes up with an idea for a new product. - Management doesn't like it,. Reason, it would not be profitable based on zero facts. - On a Friday afternoon company drink a developer talks with some guys of the Sales department and pitches the idea(if the company culture is a healthy one this could happen) - Sales department have a brainstorm session about how to increase profit. They come up with this brand new idea (or did it came from the dev team). - Sales department, let's see if customers are willing to pay for this overpriced product that should have been a trial to begin with the differentiate ourselves from the competition. - New product pushed to app stores and within a few months a good product dies. Also they reintroduce the forums.

[@candicraveingcloude2822]

Okay like there was kinda a roleplay feature in the Duolingo for Schools edition, where there was a chatbot you could speak to they took that away a while ago and just put it in with AI

[@AmaraJordanMusic]

That “BEANNNSSS,” at the end made my day. 😂

[@FGsquared]

The new Duolingo learning path and the removal of forums have made me cancel my Super Duolingp / Duo Plus. The new path (in Japanese) is so messy and being ported over from the old path to the new means I'm constantly encountering stuff I already learnt or Duo thinks I've already learnt something when I haven't.

[@BradGraves]

Moved to Norway about a year ago and this feature just popped up today, for the lovely deal of 240 dollars a year! (IOS user)

[@alchepske]

Yeah, 120 is actually normal price for me, but I’m not buying Max, coz they didn’t give me any trial period.