Is Election Divine Favoritism?

Ask Pastor John
Episode: 399
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[@jesusiskingofmyheart]

I'm SO thankful for this channel. Pastor John goes over so many questions I have had but was too afraid to ask. Thank you! God bless.

[@tamitha20]

God is God and because he's God, he can do whatever he pleases and we have no right to question him

[@youngurbangod1156]

Blind faith much?

[@andyisdead]

Whatever he pleases? You mean, literally? So God could possibly torture babies for no reason at all and you'd think it's fine?

[@Android-ds9ie]

@@andyisdead dictatorship

[@davidochieng2975]

@@andyisdead God told king Saul to go destroy everything including little ones but he chose to disobey God by living some fat bulls for sacrifice to God.That displeased God and he refused him and chose king David instead. During the time of Sodom and Gomorrah, he destroyed everything including little babies and left Lot and his family. During the time of Pharaoh, God destroyed Egyptian's first born sons and left Israel first born sons Therefore what God chooses to do that he will accomplish(Isaiah 46:10-11; 54:16)

[@Doxologie]

Agreed

[@stevendrumm4957]

The Bible makes it clear in the first chapter of 1 Corinthians that the elite in society are LESS LIKELY to go to heaven than the general population. "Not many wise in this world, not many mighty, not many noble are called!".

[@augustine.c8204]

Thank God for everything he's doing through Desiring God :) really appreciate these podcasts!

[@evanu6579]

Friday 5 - 24 hours contest Calvinism is another Gospel. Be careful with what you believe from Piper. Take care.

[@jean-danielclaassen2987]

@@evanu6579 yes it is not the right gospel you don't read the bible correct if you believe in Calvinism.

[@jean-danielclaassen2987]

@@evanu6579 go read John 3:16 and you will see what I mean pastor John

[@wisevirgin3405]

@@evanu6579 .. election is a Biblical doctrine taught by JESUS in Romans 6... and many other places. If you reject election you reject the Gospel of the Bible. -----------

[@wisevirgin3405]

@@jean-danielclaassen2987 .... election is a Biblical doctrine taught by JESUS in John 6, and many other passages. If you do not believe God "elects" people before the foundation of the world then you are not following the Gospel of the Bible... you are abandoning Jesus just like those who did not want to hear Him teach election [Jon 6:65-66] ---------

[@michaelstanley4698]

'HE hath showed thee, O man (in 'All Scripture'), what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God' (Mic.6:8). It's not partiality when God warns, forewarns, promises, and commands, and people ignore His Word, as Adam did (Ps.149:4, 1Cor.1:25-28).

[@jonathanfischer5292]

Yes, as reformed theology conceives of it, yes it is

[@imdavid4875]

true.

[@matt76716]

Yes, very true.

[@mattprince1993]

I hear what he is saying, but the race example is not relevant at all... The Jews were a clearly defined race of people that God chose... That being said God/Jesus has always known the hearts of men. That was not even based on actions, He saw the hearts. David was a murdering adulterer whom God loved and said was after His own heart. Many times Jesus did the same; Mary, Paul, Matthew, etc. were all seen as terrible outward sinners at their time. Gods thoughts are on a level we cannot contemplate. He is not confined by time and space as we are. When we try to limit God to the outlines of human nature, we are trying to limit God to our standards...He is so much greater than that.

[@evanu6579]

Matthew Prince Anyone could be part of Israel in the Old Covenant. A mixed multitude came up out of Egypt. It’s not about race. Rahab and Ruth became part of the promises of Abraham. The SEED came through them through they weren’t born Israel. Isa 56: 4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; 5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. 6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; 7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people. The Jews were to go out and proselytize the nations. So anyone could become part of the blessings that the Israelites had in Abraham.

[@juerbert1]

'As the heavens are higher than the earth so are MY Thoughts higher than yours !' (Isa.55:9.) 'You thought that *I* was altogether like you, but...!' (Ps.50:21.)

[@statesrights01]

Remember what Jesus said... it was Abrahams Faith that pleased God.. not where he was from...

[@audrey.m.w.v]

But Abraham was not chosen on the basis of his race, he was chosen because he had FAITH. Furthermore, if you read Romans 9, it is clear that not all who came from Abraham (i.e. the Jewish RACE) are considered children of Abraham - only those who have FAITH like he did. So it was never about his race at all but about his faith in God. That is why he was chosen. Galatians 3:6-9: 'So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.'

[@KawaiiMiri]

As far I know I didn't choose to exist, I didn't chose to be under the comprehension I have. I didn't choose to have sinful tendencies nor a law conscious mind. at this point I live because it was ordained for me to do so. I was brought up among those chosen for me learn from and to see the good and evil. The freedom of choice I see in this is the option to fallow Christ in this theater. What will be for ever, as one without choice let's see if He will let me.

[@lanceallenmcginnis1105]

I love ask Pastor John so much! I’ve listened to hundreds of these. This is such a cliffhanger. Pastor John, at the end of this wouldn’t it be appropriate for a call to surrender to Jesus? It’s such a good podcast. As good of a ballplayer as I am, I will never be good enough. I love that point. But, asking Jesus to be Lord of my life, acknowledging that I’m not and will never be a good enough ballplayer to get me on the team will get me on the team right? Accepting the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross makes me “good enough for the team”.

[@Vesselofmercy]

God saves some by His own purpose and grace, not because of works. 2 Timothy 1:9

[@defcon1africa676]

And throws the rest into hell

[@mikebrown9850]

God saves by grace, bc all have sinned and deserve death. But God rewards according to works. {Matthew 16:27,1 Peter 1:17, Revelation 2:23,22:12} But He also makes clear- no works, No salvation {Matthew 25:24-30, Luke 19}

[@DrewClark-ov5up]

Creating some people for the purpose of abandoning them is certainly a form of favoritism.

[@SolaBiblia07]

I think you could call it favouritism, but it doesn't change that He has good reasons for choosing some for salvation and not otheres. God has showed us who He is in Christ and through the scriptures, but a lot of things are certainly left misunderstood for us believers here on earth.

[@smazziszaz]

One guilty goes free becauee everyone else goes free, cuz we cant be impartial here. nobody thinks impartiality is like that. It demands the judge doesn't base his verdict on irrelevant considerations like wealth, kinship, famous ppl, race, etc. Impartial, unworthy to judge. It doesnt mean treating everyone the same.

[@TheCreepypro]

help us to know your ways Lord may your will not ours be done!

[@junek9558]

Favoritism and partiality are when irrelevant factors effect your choice. But when relevant factors and the right kind of consideration is put in, then it is not impartiality. God is all Just and all knowing, perfect. he is the creator. He know how and can make choices without being partial.

[@ricklamb772]

Yes,election is devine favoritism..kind of like God choosing the Jewish people as His chosen people,not because they were some great people or something,He just chose them,because He can.

[@nikitabondarev9568]

Piper addresses the fact that God isn't partial towards irrelevent things but doesn't address what relevent things He is partial to. He doesnt choose people for reasons such as body appearance but why does he choose some over others?

[@choicemeatrandy6572]

You're asking the wrong question, you should be asking why does He choose anyone at all?

[@wisevirgin3405]

Before the foundation of the world, God "chooses" or "elects" people He will saved based ONLY on His Good Pleasure and NOT on any good or evil that person will do during their lifetime. [Jn 6] ----- So, WHY does God chose some and not others? Because God will have mercy on who He will have mercy and He will have compassion on who He will have compassion [Rom 9] ------------

[@juerbert1]

@@choicemeatrandy6572 , because HE created us, the Adamic race in HIS own Image, not glorified apes !!

[@choicemeatrandy6572]

@@juerbert1 Well that doesn't address anything said in the post

[@joshuaWEC]

To work together what He wants to happen for His glory.

[@garyhiggins9148]

First, we have to look at God's way not our way the question we have to ask ourself is, why would a holy pure and just God save anyone of us? Remember, God chose us before we were ever born even before the very foundation of the earth. The rain falls on the just and unjust why do many sinners enjoy this life this is a blessing but short lived nevertheless it is a blessing. We do not know some things on this side but the believer can believe it because God said it and that settles it.

[@SSNBN777]

If you have to have faith in the Son BEFORE you can get to the Father, then Calvinism's predestination doctrine is entirely false. *_SCRIPTURE:_* John 14:6 KJV Jesus saith unto him, … *_no man cometh unto the Father, but by me._* *_CALVINISM:_* John 14:6 KJV Jesus saith unto him: … no man cometh unto the -Father- Son, but by -me- the Father.

[@garyhiggins9148]

@@SSNBN777 Hello, I am sorry but you are slandering the doctrine of 'Election' a bibical word please, just do a bibical word study as Elect, Election, Predesinate, Predesination, Chosen, Ordain. These bibical God's words are dripping in the Bible as Chisen Jesus said plainly, :You have Not Chosen me but I have Chosen you,,,' John 15:16 Do you believe Jesus words? The people who recoil at these Bible words likes to change the word ELECTION in a mere man's word as Cavin. Now did Calvin ELECT you? Of course not! So why would you use a good bibical word as Election and assign it to man. Do we do this with the word 'Salvation' do we assign this bibical word with man? God forbid! Please, think about this.

[@garyhiggins9148]

@@SSNBN777 This is not my salvation plan it is God's salvation plan. In John 14:6 goes on and tells us that many walked away from following the Lord when Jesus said that you have no say in the matter of His salvation. Jesus said to His disciples will you walk away also? Their reply, no Lord for you have the words of eternal life. When we just allow God to teach us humbly bowing to the authority of His word just do a bibical word study as, Elect, Election, Predesinate, Predestination, Chosen,. These words are God's word not mine. The big question is, do we bow to God or man? This is not about a mere man as Cavin he did not make the plan up he just believe Election like many believers do.

[@lightlock2177]

how do you deal with this in light of generational sins and their impact on ppl’s kids/grandkids?

[@amandapetrigama]

thank you!!

[@jean-danielclaassen2987]

Paster John what you said about the favoritism thing now exactly why do you believe then that God only chose a few people to get salvation when Jesus clearly said he died for the whole world?

[@leonynovita3864]

'world' in John 3:16 is about the believers, noted also in John 3:16. Word 'world' is depend on the object bcs John also using 'world' with different meaning in the other verses

[@jean-danielclaassen2987]

Leony Novita no the world means all humans, because why would John talk about the world at that time when believers aren’t all over the world? World has to be everyone. And world isn’t the only word that talks about who Jesus died for. Everyone, the world, man(all human kind) and a few more. Why do you question what Jesus said and a lot more of the Bible when Jesus clearly died for the whole world. John 3:16 for God so loved the world(everyone) that he gave his only son that who ever believes in him shall be saved. It doesn’t say that everyone is saved, because it says who ever believes in Jesus is saved, but everyone has the choice to believe in Jesus

[@wisevirgin3405]

Child.... what do you IMAGINE the CONTEXT is of the "world"? Do you imagine it includes those killed in Noah's Flood? Do you imagine it includes those killed in Sodom? -------------- In this context, the term "world" means Jew and Gentile. --------------- Remember, before Jesus came God only saved (loved) Jews. After Jesus came God saved (loved) both Jew and Gentile. Jew + Gentile = the world. ------------------ You cannot hope to understand the MEANING of a passage when (1) your notion contradicts RELATED Scriptures (which it does) and (2) you cannot even discern the CONTEXT of the verse. ------------------ Please do not make the mistake of thinking Biblical Truth is LIMITED to what you THINK you know about the Bible... especially when you have not even TRIED to harmonize your notion with ALL RELATED verses. -------------------- That (isolating Scripture from Scripture) is how you design a heresy. Please read Galatians 5:20-21 to see what happens to heretics. -----------------------

[@angloaust1575]

Means the world of the elect Those ordained to eternal life believed Doesn't mean devils who also Believe and tremble

[@myscabula]

This was very interesting

[@thevoiceofonecallingout]

Its not a question of partiality but love. God loves the world.

[@wisevirgin3405]

Child... did God LOVE every man/woman/child that was destroyed in the Flood? Or did He LOVE Noah and family? ------------ And did God LOVE every man/woman/child in Sodom? Or did He LOVE Lot and his family? ------------ Since hell will be heavily populated we can know absolutely that YOUR NOTION of "love" is heretical... read Galatians 5:20-21 to see the fate of those following heresy. ------------ BTW... just so you know. The phrase "God so loved the world" has a meaning. It means God loves BOTH the Jew and Gentile. Remember child, before Jesus came God only saved (loved) the Jews. After Jesus came God saved (loved) BOTH the Jews and the Gentiles. Jew + Gentile = the world. -------------- See how much Biblical Truth you learned in 30 seconds? Do not make the mistake of thinking Biblical Truth is LIMITED to what you think you understand... it is not. ----------------

[@thevoiceofonecallingout]

@@wisevirgin3405 It seems your understanding considers only part of scripture,. It is you who have defined who God loves. Does that seem scriptural? People that God loves die every day. Are you saying that if He kills them or allows them to die He does not love them? The coming of Jesus Christ was known and planned before Jesus ever showed up on earth. God loved his people the Israelites, but through their actions they became His enemies. God loved Adam and Eve but they disobeyed Him. Yes my friend, God loves all, but He does not force people to love Him. For "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." God even loved us when we did not love Him. How do we love God according to scripture? We obey Him. However if we refuse the love that God has shown us, we are in for His wrath.

[@wisevirgin3405]

@@thevoiceofonecallingout ... child, I have not "defined" God's love (that is just you pretending) ------------- Did God LOVE all the men/women/children destroyed in the Flood... or only Noah and family? Did God LOVE all the men/women/children destroyed in Sodom... or only Lot and family? Go ahead child... teach me how God LOVED the people He destroyed... I will wait. --------------- When JESUS said NO MAN can come to Him unless the Father "draws" them... do you think He really meant SOME MEN? --------------- When JESUS said ALL MEN the Father draws "shall come" to Him and He will lose NONE... do you think He really meant SOME MEN would come and He would lose SOME of them? --------------- You are so naive it is PAINFUL to witness. You have developed your own personal gospel (of heresy) by REJECTING what Jesus said. Good luck with that plan child. -------------

[@thevoiceofonecallingout]

@@wisevirgin3405 @gregg powers ... child, I have not "defined" God's love (that is just you pretending) I say that is exactly what you are doing. Did God LOVE all the men/women/children destroyed in the Flood... or only Noah and family? Yes until they did evil in His sight, Did God LOVE all the men/women/children destroyed in Sodom... or only Lot and family? Yes until they did evil in His sight. In fact God told Abraham he would spare the place if even 10 righteous were found. Go ahead child... teach me how God LOVED the people He destroyed... I will wait. The Bible says it. Did God love Israel? Did God destroy Israel? Did God love Judah? Did God destroy Judah These are explicitly taught but if you really know the Bible you know what God says about His treasured possession. God generally warns those before destroying them. He even did this for Nebuchadnezzar and Ninevah. Jonah reveals why he actually ran from God in the first place. He didn’t want to go to Nineveh because he knew the power of God’s Word. He despises the Lord’s mercy. Jonah knew of the Lord’s love for His creation, and he didn’t want the people of Nineveh to experience God’s forgiveness. --------------- When JESUS said NO MAN can come to Him unless the Father "draws" them... do you think He really meant SOME MEN? When JESUS said ALL MEN the Father draws "shall come" to Him and He will lose NONE... do you think He really meant SOME MEN would come and He would lose SOME of them? It means what it says. God calls, but once God calls, man's ability to choose God is restored. Go look at the Greek of John 1:12. Who is doing the receiving of God's call? What is the difference between passive and active voice in Greek? Furthermore what is the context of losing some here? --------------- You are so naive it is PAINFUL to witness. You have developed your own personal gospel (of heresy) by REJECTING what Jesus said. Good luck with that plan child. Respectfully, it is you who are twisting scripture to believe an untrue doctrine. I doubt we will agree. God Bless....

[@wisevirgin3405]

@@thevoiceofonecallingout ... child, if you want to argue that God LOVED all the men/women/children destroyed in the Flood (until they did evil...even when they are born spiritually DEAD) then you must provide some SCRIPTURE for that ridiculous notion that God LOVES those born into Satan's Kingdom. -------------- If you want to argue that God LOVED all the men/women/children destroyed in Sodom (until they did evil) then you will need to provide some SCRIPTURE to support that heresy. I will provide a couple of passages that contradict your "theory". ---------------- Psa 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. ---------------- Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. ----------------- Psa 14:2-3 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. ---------------- Psa 53:2-3 God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God. Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. ------------------ (2) You said: Did God love Israel? Did God destroy Israel? Did God love Judah? Did God destroy Judah ---------------------- But you forgot to say that (like Noah and Lot) not EVERYONE was destroyed. Or will you argue that EVERYONE was destroyed (including Abraham, Isaac and Jacob)? ----------------------- Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. ------------------------ It appears you either want to select Scripture to MAKE the Bible say what you want it to say or you REALLY do not understand what you are talking about. I cannot say which it is, but either one is not good. ----------------------- (3) You said (and I quote) It means what it says. God calls, but once God calls, man's ability to choose God is restored. ---------------------- No child, that is NOT what John 6 says. It says NO MAN can come to Christ unless the Father "draws" them and ALL MEN the Father draws "shall come" to Jesus and He will lose NONE of them. -------------------------- When you pretend that SOME MEN come and SOME MEN refuse to come then you are intentionally contradicting what JESUS said.... and you know it, which is WHY you did not address the verses - but had to deflect to other verses. ------------- And then (to compound your deception) you cite John 1:12 and OMIT the next verse. Let me remind you of the CONTEXT of John 1:12 -------------------- Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. ----------------------- Those who are saved (those who "receive" Him) are NOT determined by the will of the flesh or the will of man... this Biblical Truth is repeated in MANY other Scriptures. Again we see that (a) you want to MAKE the Bible say what you WANT it to say or (b) you REALLY do not understand what you are talking about. Here is another passage that CONFIRMS John 1:13 (which you intentionally omitted) --------------------------- Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. -------------------------- (3) There are MANY passages in the Bible that teach that God "chooses" or "elects" who He will save before the foundation of the world based ONLY on His Good Pleasure and NOT on any good or evil that person would do. Furthermore, there are NO VERSES in the Bible that teach any of the elect will be lost. You have NO argument child. You WISH you did, but it does NOT come from Scripture. ---------------------------------- Now, you are free to pretend that God "draws" His elect to Christ and MAN can reject his Creator and Jesus loses SOME of His sheep... but that is just you pretending because you do not want a SOVEREIGN GOD, you want to "be like God". Man is NOT autonomous "like God". That theology is simply heresy. ------------------------------

[@angloaust1575]

Must remember Gods goodness to all his creatures Many enjoy fame and wealth!

[@JEllisJames]

So first you say "impartiality means basing your treatment of others on the right kind of considerations... Is the kid a really good ballplayer? Then he should be on the team." THEN you say, "His reasons are never owing to our goodness, yet He chooses freely to save some… the reason He chooses us is NOT in ourselves, it's not in our own virtue or our own sinfulness: it is in his council." So the baseball analogy used here COMPLETELY contradicts your point. If the reason He chooses us is NOT in ourselves, then it IS based on 'irrelevant' considerations. PLEASE, somebody try and find the hole in my argument!?!?!

[@wisevirgin3405]

God elects people before the foundation of the world based ONLY on His Good Pleasure and NOT on any good or evil that person will do during their lifetime. ------- I agree with you that Piper gave a poor analogy with the baseball player. Piper often makes mistakes in his preaching. --------

[@wisevirgin3405]

@Matthew Vincent ... Election is not "arbitrary" . Why would you say such a thing? Election is by God's Good Pleasure. ---------------- Luk_12:32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. ---------------- Eph_1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, ---------------- Eph_1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: ---------------- Php_2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. ----------------- Look, even if you want to REJECT or intentionally IGNORE the Scriptures above... you have only TWO (2) choices. Either salvation is a monergistic (God alone) process or it is God + Man = works gospel. ------------------ You do not have to believe God is Sovereign and Autonomous and chooses who HE WILLS to be elect. (This is the narrow way to life). You can pretend that salvation is a synergistic act of God + Man... but that is just you pretending (and the BROAD WAY to destruction) ---------------------- Your argument is that a DEAD man can contribute or initiate his own salvation while a captive in Satan's Kingdom. LOL Rom 3:10-12 says NO MAN will seek God (on His terms), No, not even one. And that NO MAN can do anything good. ---------------------- So, choose your Gospel (the BROAD WAY or the narrow way) but remember, those who think men are sovereign ("like God") have the same destiny as Satan [Mat 25:41] --------------------------

[@juerbert1]

@@wisevirgin3405 , those who say man has no say in his salvation make mankind brainless zombies and make GOD a merciless puppeteer !!

[@tomkingg]

@@juerbert1 I think its all about balancing the beliefs. God chose us before the foundation of the world and at the same time also we are the ones who willingly come to God for salvation. It's a paradox which only God understands, His wisdom is infinite we can never understand Him fully. I'm just grateful He saved me

[@joshuaWEC]

A person can be good at baseball with practice but no one can be righteous with God by practice. We think we can but the Bible sais not only our sins are filthy but also our righteous acts when done apart from God. This human righteousness is what Paul had much of and said he came to consider manueur compared to knowing Christ. A person can only became a mature Christian by remaining in Christ, not by trying harder in their own effort.

[@36742650885]

The Jacob loved Esau hated thing is to denote preference not judgement

[@36742650885]

KTTGHMTJWYCBLAC please pray for me that I come to understand and receive and know how to cooperate with God and let him help me

[@heartylegend2002]

@@36742650885 I'll pray for you

[@jimmiepatrum]

Amen.

[@read2live74]

This still leaves the question unanswered. A coach shows no partiality when he chooses a player based on merit and not the color of his skin was essentially his statement. But to choose based on merit is still to choose impartially - it is to show favoritism towards a meritocratic system. We can argue whether that’s right or not, and that’s certainly fine. But if we apply this same logic to the question at hand, are we willing to say that God chose the Jews based on their own meritorious and exceptional moral standing? Or that God saves on this basis? I would think no one would accept that proposition. So why then when answering a question about God’s sovereignty would you ever invoke examples of human reasoning/decision making? God has a chosen people and why must he not be impartial? Why are we attempting so hard to release God from a cage he has clearly locked himself into? Paul writes in Romans 9:20 “But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder ‘Why have you made me like this?” If we could know fully the mind of God, we would be God. And we seem to be making this erroneous judgment that impartiality in and of itself is somehow unjust. If I stooped down to pick up a rock, would you consider my actions unjust, for I did not pick up a different one?

[@SSNBN777]

Acts 10:34-35 NASB95 Opening his mouth, Peter said: "I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality, [35] but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him.

[@charlesvandenburgh5295]

Is election divine favoritism? Of course it is. Live with it. Deal with it. That God has a preference for simple-minded people is His business.

[@SSNBN777]

No one will see the Father without faith in His Son FIRST. No exceptions: *_SCRIPTURE:_* John 14:6 KJV Jesus saith unto him, … *_no man cometh unto the Father, but by me._* *_CALVINISM:_* John 14:6 KJV Jesus saith unto him: … no man cometh unto the -Father- Son, but by -me- the Father.

[@johnhoffman8203]

God calling us into justification is the only way it could work, otherwise we have something to do with being born again and I frankly wouldnt want any part of it. By His unmerited favor He gifted me with spirit rebirth after that I have a choice to follow Him or not(still saved).

[@johnhoffman8203]

@KTTGHMTJWYCBLAC The question is why, what is the goal of being Spirit lead?

[@wisevirgin3405]

Really... you think YOU (a puny man) have a CHOICE? --------- If God "elected" you to be saved before the foundation of the world... you will be saved. So where is this "choice" you imagine? ----------- Jesus said [Jn 6] that NO MAN can come to Him unless the Father first "draws" them and ALL MEN the Father draws "shall come" to Him and He will lose NONE of His sheep. (where is this choice you imagine?) ------------

[@johnhoffman8203]

@@wisevirgin3405 These verses speak of being called/justified/spirit rebirth/gift per Eph 2.8&9. That is the first step in our complete salvation and is NOT our choice but God's grace and mercy. The next step begins sanctification by baptism, this is your choice, then cooperate with the Holy Spirit in maturity to being chosen. A Spirit lead believer is a choice vice carnal Christian per Rm 8. Armed with the Holy Spirit we decide to follow the flesh or Spirit and to save the soul (1 Pt 1.9, Heb 10.39, James 1.21) on this earth or not. Salvation is in three tenses, past, present and future and we dont have complete salvation until we receive a glorified body either at the Judgement Seat of Christ, or at the end of the Millennium per 1 Cor 15.51/52. We have a very big choice in or salvation.

[@wisevirgin3405]

@@johnhoffman8203 ... child, you are hilarious. Read Matthew 13:8-9... does it say that saved people produce fruit thirty-fold, sixty-fold and one hundred-fold? Or does it say that it depends on what MAN chooses? --------- Read John 6 Does Jesus say NO MAN can come to Him unless the Father "draws" them... or does it say SOME MEN can come without being "drawn"? ---------- Does Jesus say ALL MEN the Father draws "shall come" and He would lose NONE... or does it say SOME MEN the Father draws comes and Jesus loses SOME of them? ----------- You are actually arguing that MAN IS SOVEREIGN over God. That God BEGINS to save His "elect"... and SOME MEN will refuse (overrule) God... That is so naive it is PAINFUL to see. ---------------- So, you pretend that GOD IS NOT SOVEREIGN... that He is NOT the author and finisher... you pretend that MAN is more powerful than God. And we will see how well that heresy goes in the end. Read Galatians 5:20-21 to see what happens to those following heresy. -------------

[@johnhoffman8203]

@@wisevirgin3405 Apples and oranges. Mt 13 is about the doctrine of the kingdom of God to the gentiles and their CHOICE that the receivers of this doctrine have from no fruit at all to 100 fold. God is not willing that any should perish yet many will. God certainly wanted the children to enter the promised land but only 2 of that generation did. God has at all times tested our faith to see who was true or not because we have a choice.and will surely reap the reward or suffer the consequences for not doing so. The rest of your verses are a mixed bag of rebirth and sanctification which was my point exactly that following our calling (no choice) we can follow the Holy Spirit's leading or not, to hear the words depart from me, I never knew you. You think Christ wants to say those words, or force every believer to comply with His commands. Jesus said "If you love me you will keep my commandments". He didnt say because I have called you, you will keep my commandments.

[@johnchristiandeguzman5295]

God’s relevant “consideration” is His Glory.

[@biblebot8488]

I have a question! If John is such a Christian why does he let the poor suffer while bank account gets bigger? He reads the Bible so he knows it’s hard for the rich to get into heaven so why does he rebel with greed?

[@questioneverything1243]

Because church is a business

[@mattr.1887]

Yes.

[@SilvioSalieri]

I think He is partial all the way out. Romans 9:15 "For he says to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion" And Romans 9:22 "What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much long-suffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction". Some people have blessed life,grow up in a christian home and environment while others do not and thus become conditioned to believe what they believe. If I had a nickle for every time someone referenced Isaiah 55:9, I'd be a rich man "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." So now God wants to punish us for a life we never asked for ? Doesn't seem just in the slightest.

[@Android-ds9ie]

This is the exact think I want to ask I did not ask God to create me and torture me

[@TheJpep2424]

You choose to sin and God punishes sinners because he is holy. Everyone deserves hell.

[@finistello9777]

@@TheJpep2424 No, God made me to sin. Big difference.

[@Android-ds9ie]

@@finistello9777 yes

[@itscoleperkins]

God hates no one. God hates sin. God loves sinners. He wants YOU to follow him and love him. He wants YOU to go to heaven. God did not create you to condemn or torture you. He created you to glorify him and luckily for us we can find great joy in glorifying him. If you are going through trials on this earth, it does not mean God hates or is punishing you. In fact a lot of times he may be preparing you to become who you need to be or destroying the bad in your life so that you may produce more good.

[@orioncoat5258]

He dogged this question perfectly. God created everyone, and everyone have sinned. And he teaches that God predestined the repentance of some and not others. He accuses God of partiality and flatter his listeners at the same time.

[@dlu8666]

It seems that way!🤔

[@wisevirgin3405]

You are correct. Piper OFTEN does not preach the "whole counsel of God" in order to not offend. ----------- Clearly the Biblical doctrine of "election" proves a partiality... but it is NOT based on any good or evil that person would do, it's based ONLY on God's Good Pleasure. ------------- Moreover... before Jesus came God was only saving (loving) Jews. After Jesus came God saved (loved) both Jew and Gentile. Jew + Gentile = "the world"... God so loved the world. -----------------

[@orioncoat5258]

@@wisevirgin3405 Nah virgin. The doctrine of the election says that all have sinned and that anyone who choses God through Christ is called the chosen. So choosing God means being elected, because he always loves everyone. Jesus didn't only come for the Jews, he called some of the Jews made them apostles to reach the world. That was God's plan to save the world and not just the Jews. Are you a Christian?

[@wisevirgin3405]

@@orioncoat5258 .. In your dreams child. The doctrine of election says GOD "chooses" or "elects" who He will save before the foundation of the world based ONLY on His Good Pleasure and NOT on any good or evil that person would do. --------- You want for MAN to be sovereign over God. For Man to initiate his salvation (while being DEAD) that is hilarious. You follow the BROAD WAY that leads christian's to destruction. ------------ The narrow way that leads Christians to eternal life is accepting that they are DEAD and that only God can initiate their salvation. ----------- BTW... when you say God LOVES everyone... Did God love all the men/women/children killed in the Flood... saving only Noah's family? Did God love all the men/women/children killed in Sodom... saving only Lot's familty? ------------- Clearly you do not understand the righteousness of God or the Judgment of God... in fact, you know NOTHING about the real God because you have made-up a god that is OBLIGATED to save you after YOU initiate your own salvation. -------------- You are so naive it is PAINFUL to see -------------

[@hititmanify]

@@wisevirgin3405 what about the japanese that killed themselves for honor for centuries in particular but also every human before christ. Jesus talks of catching fish with us and jn gods eyes we are nothing. Only having a breath in us (jesaja). I believe that maybe it doesnt matter if u know religion. If u act good in ur heart and do good for the ur species and the world and urself as using money only for helping and not starving even tho jesus said we worry too much bout things like that. Then jesus as the shepherd of the earth gives u at least a second shot in another life? Idk.

[@ViolinistJeff]

5:40 So exactly what does God base his choice on to determine who gets saved? Obviously, it is not based on any human virture, so you say it is based on His own hidden wisdom? Basically, that is saying, "We don't know why God chooses some people for salvation and not others." All of humankind has sinned against God. Sin is sin. There are no greater sins nor lesser sins. However, mainstream Christianity says some sinners will be freed, yet most sinners will not be freed. From the Calvinist perspective, this is favoritism. There's no way for the Calvinist to get around this.

[@wisevirgin3405]

The BASIS of God "choosing" or "electing" someone is ONLY on God's Good Pleasure and NOT on any good or evil that person will do during their lifetime.... so that NONE can boast. ---------

[@abdulshahidalajev115]

John 3:16

[@jauhueitang6879]

That boy’s question was not answered at all. What are the actual reasons of why God loved Jacob but hated Esau although God has sovereign power to choose His preference, but on what criteria He made the decision. Is it rational or irrational? This question was not answered. Couldn’t God love both twins? The correct answer is that no one can be impartial including God. No creatures including human, animals and plants are created identical, their fates are all different, I.e., God can never be impartial. An impartial God could not exist and human’s perception of the existence of a righteous and impartial Gods is an illusion.

[@stevetucker5851]

Yep.

[@desertscream6328]

not clearly explained and answered directly

[@jimmyarmijo792]

God works all things according to his will. Don't you know the end of the world has already happened? Read Revelation. Yes God has respect of persons. He favors the righteous over the wicked. God already chosen who is going to be saved. Judas Iscariot was an Apostle, Judas worked miracles, he cast out demons. But he was predestined to betray the Lord. The Old Testament scriptures testify to that. Listening to you, you showed by scriptures God is partial. Now WE cannot be partial. Paul said that in him Christ might first show mercy to him first. Because he persecuted the church, Paul did it in ignorance and unbelief, but God showed him mercy. That's why he suffered so much. In the book of Psalms God said "Blessed is the man that thou causes TO BE drawn unto thee". God could be mad at the whole world and smile on you. God can do anything he wants. God told the preacher to do nothing by partiality. Preach the Word in season, out of season. Don't lean to wife or family. Let the Word profit the hearers.

[@juerbert1]

GOD can *not* do anything HE wants !! HE is limited by HIS Character (HE can't lie, etc.) I heard this foolish comment from a woman pastor, at Wesley Mission, in regard to her stating angrily, that GOD could've used (Darwin's) evolution, when HE created all things in the beginning (HE saw everything HE had created, and it was very good) ! Not according to HIS own WORD, HE can !!!

[@ricklamb772]

Or your name being written in Jesus's book of life.

[@jamessoo4486]

Sorry, I don't think the question posed by the little boy was adequately answered.

[@nicholasviall2881]

...but God bases whether or not He saves someone not based on merit, which would still be favoritism... because He's choosing to save certain guilty people over other guilty people...

[@evanu6579]

Nicholas Viall But it’s by faith. All men have faith and are told to place our faith in Christ.

[@questioneverything1243]

@@evanu6579 Jesus never preached faith he only preached repentance

[@evanu6579]

@@questioneverything1243 John 6:29 ¶ Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. 35 ¶ And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

[@questioneverything1243]

@@evanu6579 I believed but I still thirsted why am I poor, bank is -7$ no Job, Girlfriend or house I'm living with my sister temporarily because I need help! My sister is able to bless me why doesn't God bless me with a job, girlfriend, friends and car? Why did God forsake me? My biological dad just got my mom pregnant and never raised me! Why does God want me to suffer I'm thinking about roping!!!

[@evanu6579]

@@questioneverything1243 God blesses through people. Your sister is a blessing from God. If you still thirst then maybe you don’t understand what it means to believe. He is Lord and has asked you to follow Him. You are called to be a servant/soldier of the king. He has called you to a purpose. Trusting in Christ is believing that He paid your debt in all of the sins you’ve committed. He offers to take your debt upon Himself to give you a clean sheet for the day of judgement. You in turn are following Him as your Lord. You no longer belong to yourself but to Him. If you call out to Him with a sincere heart, broken about the crimes you’ve committed against the almighty, He will forgive you. You will begin a new relationship with God and you will have peace in any circumstance. Paul and Silas were singing praises to God after being tortured and locked up in prison for preaching about Jesus. Their circumstances were much worse than yours yet they praised God for it. This can only happen in a proper relationship with God. A proper relationship will give you a proper perspective. I hope that helps. I’ll be praying for you. What’s your name?

[@Ironboots123]

In my mind, if a person doesn’t like divine election the person must like human merit as the basis for election. I’ll take divine election over merit because I wouldn’t have, or never will, known God. Thank you 🙏 Jesus for your divine election, love, mercy, and grace.

[@1000whispering]

Good for you.

[@wisevirgin3405]

Your doctrine is sound. But you cannot be taken seriously when you use emojis.... it is juvenile. Saints are serious and mature.

[@huntsman528]

Give the young man a humble spirit? So you're asking God to not make him a Calvinist?

[@bruceschweyer896]

Election is an obligation.

[@wisevirgin3405]

Yes, election is an obligation. When God "chooses" or "elects" someone before the foundation of the world, based ONLY on His Good Pleasure and NOT on any good or evil that person would do, that means God obligates Himself to "draw" that elect person to Christ at some time during their life. And ALL MEN God draws "shall come" to Jesus and He loses NONE of His sheep. ---- God "obligates" Himself to save those He elected... because God is faithful and true and cannot lie. ----------

[@timothyasberry3470]

Well you have to understand the three world ages.. and what transpired in the first world age, those that stood against Satan when he rebelled have earned that right to be called God's election, they have a destiny, they fought against Satan there, and they'll fight him again in this one, and then you have that third that followed Satan, and that third that just didn't care.. they just went with the flow, you have to understand the three world ages you will find it in 2 Peter 3:5-7

[@andriy281]

the answer is no

[@Eowynnofrohan]

So God loves some and not others, but we are all supposed to love other people unconditionally???

[@preciousoluwaniyi4471]

God is fair he doesn't love one over others that will be a lie against his nature. He chooses people on his perfection of attributes balancing his rrighteousness, justice, mercy, love.

[@demsyciu]

No, God loves all. look the air is free for all whether the elect or non-elect. the earth and all of its resourse are available for all. remember that we all deserve the death. but God elects some to be saved from all deserved the death is a demonstration of an extraordinary love. It's beyond love, beyond the love for all creature. This is a love that deeper than the love for all. Just like one's love for his spouse is different from his love for his parents.

[@evanu6579]

demsy ciu Jhn 12: 40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. Could have these believed had they not been hardened?

[@evanu6579]

Fatalism R.M. Could it be that there was a list of chosen and hardened amongst the Jews to whom Jesus spoke with but not with the Gentiles since Paul didn’t speak in parables with them and the bible only mentions the Israelites being hardened?

[@evanu6579]

Fatalism R.M. Paul is communicating and explaining that not all Israel is of Israel. Just like not all the children of Abraham were counted for the SEED (promises of the Messiah) Being Israel is by faith and not by works just like how Jacob was chosen for the SEED over Esau before doing anything good or evil. Being Israel is by whatever means God decides. If it’s by faith and not of works then that’s how it is. God will have mercy on whom ever He will have mercy, just like God was merciful to the Israelites in their rebellion and gave judgement to Edom for their wicked deeds. Being part of Israel is for anyone who believes which is why God hardened the Jews that had rejected Him. Through their hardening salvation has come to the Gentiles, just like God has hardened Pharaoh so that His power would be known throughout the nations. God can take the nation of Israel and make two lumps out of it. One for honourable use and the other for dishonour. He’s like the potter spoken of elsewhere in the scriptures..... Jer 18: 6 O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel. 7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; 8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. 9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them. 2Tim 2: 20 ¶ But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. If God wants to take one part of the nation of Israel because of faith and reject those who are trying to work for it then who are you oh man to reply against God. What if God was merciful to the Old Testament Israelites when they deserved destruction (vessels of wrath). It’s because the promised SEED would come through them so that He could have mercy on us Jews who believed. And not only is Jews but also the Gentiles. Not all Israel is of Israel. That’s the point. He makes it very clear what makes Israel, israel. ...... Rom 9: 30 ¶ What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; It’s by faith. Not by works. That’s who Israel is. It’s by whatever means and reason God decides. As for Gentiles being hardened, Paul seems to say the opposite...... Rom 11: 7 ¶ What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded 8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. 13 ¶ For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. 15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? 25 ¶ For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in So if Israel hadn’t been hardened they could have believed and the Gentiles have no mentioning of them being hardened, would it not make sense that all Gentiles could believe? The reason for the hardening is clearly given in the passages above.

[@johnmiller1649]

I’m not 13 and I think half of your explanation example here is in left field, confusing, distracting from the question just unrelatedly spinning. Please stick to the Word because the Word is anointed so the Spirit of God can fill you with Godly discernment if you pray.

[@wisevirgin3405]

You are correct. Piper OFTEN does not preach the "whole counsel of God" in order to not offend. ----------- Clearly the Biblical doctrine of "election" proves a partiality... but it is NOT based on any good or evil that person would do, it's based ONLY on God's Good Pleasure. ------------- Moreover... before Jesus came God was only saving (loving) Jews. After Jesus came God saved (loved) both Jew and Gentile. Jew + Gentile = "the world"... God so loved the world. -------------------

[@johnnyceagles]

@KTTGHMTJWYCBLAC I dont agree, it may be you who needs to attempt to listen to "his answer" again because none of it was anything close to an answer to the question

[@samuelisner4710]

Don’t we get a choice in weather we accept Chris or not? Like I get they we are chosen, but don’t we also have to accept Christ when called? I’m genuinely asking.

[@leonynovita3864]

Yes we have free will to accept Jesus, but when we can accept Jesus with our whole heart it is because God already work in us

[@leonynovita3864]

@KTTGHMTJWYCBLAC I think there's a miscommunication about what I said and sorry to cause a confusion (since English is not my main language). No, I do believe in what you said, that's why I said "Because God already work in us" that's why we can choose to believe in Him. I do know that men is a sinner, all, and we can't choose the truth, we even don't know truth. Only by God's grace working in us after then we have true free will.

[@wisevirgin3405]

You do not "accept" Christ... He "accepts" you. ------------- Eph 2:8-9.... the ability to have "faith" (or "belief") is a GIFT OF GOD (and NOT a work of men, so that NONE can boast) --------------- If man determined his salvation (by initiating the process or "accepting" God's Will... then that would be a "works gospel" or a "boaster gospel") ------------ God is the author and finisher... man is NOT sovereign over God. That is pure heresy... read Galatians 5:20-21 about heresy. ------------------

[@jean-danielclaassen2987]

go read John 3:16 and you will see what I mean pastor John why Calvinism is wrong

[@danielomitted1867]

I have no clue why anyone would think John 3:16 is a refutation of Calvinism. God sent his son so that the believing one would be saved, not the world. Just read the text.

[@jean-danielclaassen2987]

@@danielomitted1867 look mate it says God died for the world so that who ever believes in him shall be saved. So in other words When Jesus died on the cross he got the power to wash everyone's sins away and who ever asks to be forgiven and who turns away from sin is saved. Here is another thing to think of: one cannot call oneself a Christian, but still do sin and not turn away from the sin and feel bad that you did it. Jesus is North and Sin is South you cannot go both ways you have to choose one. Thanks for listening God bless and hear from you next time Daniel😊

[@danielomitted1867]

@@jean-danielclaassen2987 no it says God loved the world, not died for the world. Notice how you have to change what it says.

[@wisevirgin3405]

John 3:16 says "whosoever"... but you cannot isolate that verse from ALL RELATED passages (or you will design a heresy). When we read related passages we see that NO MAN will ever seek God, no, not even one [Rom 3:10-12]. And we see that NO MAN will come to Christ unless the Father first "draws" them and ALL MEN the Father draws "shall come" to Jesus and He will lose NONE of His Sheep. ------------- The Gospel does say "whosoever"... but it also says NO MAN will believe unless God GIVES THAT MAN FAITH (it is NOT of themselves) Eph 2:8-9 -------------- The ONLY measure of Biblical Truth is harmony of ALL RELATED passages... when you isolate ONE VERSE from the rest of the Bible you cannot help but design a heresy... read Galatians 5:20-21 on heresy. -----------

[@jean-danielclaassen2987]

@wisevirgin look I don't know whether you are a boy or girl, but your name sounds like a name a girl would use, so I am going to use girl pronouns. I didn't take the verse out of context go read John 3:17-18 aswell and you didn't even give me a verse from John 3 so you didn't prove a point, because you said I took it out of context, but you then didn't find anything in context(John 3) to refute my claim. And look yes God has to pull you to come to Jesus, but if you read in context you will see that(I can't remember where exactly( that Jesus knocks on the door to your heart, but ge doesn't force himself in he waits for you to open the door and let him in. I don't knownif you believe un free will (the ability to choose something), but I am hoing to ask you if you don't believe that we have free will then everything we do is God's will, but remember that accounts for sin too, so if you don't believe that we have free will then it is God's foult for all the evil in this world. O and even if Calvinism is correct(@danielomitted I am talking to you too) and God chose who will be saved before hand then we can do what we want (we can rape, murder have sex with others wifes, be gay, etc.), because we are already saved and those who aren't saved can also do anything they want, because it doesn't matter they can't be saved. So John 3:16-18 is just one big fat lie, because Jesus didn't die for the world (in the original(the greek and tge KJV) this means literally world) he said world, but he ment only some people. That is blasphemy what you are doing saying that God didn't mean what he says in his word. It is world not some people world and Everyone who believe in Jesus shall be saved(you also have to turn away from your sins to be able to follow Jesus with your whole life(Jesus is North Sin is South you can't ho both ways you need to choose one))

[@mikebrown9850]

The sad part about all the videos on this channel and many others. is the fundamental lack of basic understanding of why God created man in the beginning. Every point put forth in all these episodes crumble when that elementary purpose is understood. God is not trying to save the world at this time. He will do that when Christ returns, Satan is bound for 1000 years and the actual Kingdom of God is set up on earth. The elect are merely the ones who God calls (out of the world) as the first fruits for a particular purpose. They are not saved when they are called, but they are set apart for a holy purpose. They must overcome the world as Christ overcame the world(Revelation 3:21).

[@savedbychristsavedbygrace2049]

Hey what you got against Hispanics? Just kidding good video love the word of God.

[@SSNBN777]

Can any Calvinist explain this? No one will see the Father without faith in His Son FIRST: *_SCRIPTURE:_* John 14:6 KJV Jesus saith unto him, … *_no man cometh unto the Father, but by me._* *_CALVINISM:_* John 14:6 KJV Jesus saith unto him: … no man cometh unto the -Father- Son, but by -me- the Father.

[@Lena.9]

That’s not Calvinism but what Jesus said Himself 🤷‍♀️ No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.’ ‭‭John‬ ‭6‬:‭‭44‬-‭45‬ ‭KJV‬‬ The Father draws us to His Son, and the Son brings us to His Father.

[@user-gx4wi4cv2m]

Desire to bring himself glory? Like God needs to send people to hell bring himself glory? God is in need of no one to bring him glory! "I tell you," he replied, "if they keep quiet, the stones will cry out" says Luke 19:40. Therefore, even if we did not praise Him, the rocks would. God does not need to damn people to give Himself glory. God is not evil despot. Yet, He decided to Create us still and endow us with free will in order that we might choose to love him because love is contingent on having a free will to choose (this still is a heavy mystery). Even so, the idea of a reprobate is the weakness of Calvinism and unconditional election. Piper makes it sound like the Bible holds to this idea of the "free choice" of God: "He never says, 'I will choose asians to save not hispanics.' He never says, 'I will choose wealthy people to save not the poor, I will choose the educated to save not the uneducated, or even, I will choose the good and not the bad;' if he did he then would be guilty of being partial." The argument is self defeating: God is not partial, therefore his choice is based on his own hidden wisdom. Is God really good then? This creates a disfigured view of God’s goodness. God’s choice is based on his own hidden view of wisdom? His reasons are "never owing to our goodness?" We are all deserving of death (which is true, yet we ALL have the opportunity to be saved)? What about Romans? "To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life" (Romans 2:7). This is the answer. "Not in ourselves so that no one can boast" means that we are not to be saved by our own power, but on account of our faith granted to us by God's grace. This is the work of God, but based on our willful desire to seek him. DO NOT BE DECEIVED, YOU MUST SEEK GOD! There are conditional promises in the Bible where we must DO: "Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ" (Romans 10:17). Since none are righteous we are all indeed deserving of death. Even those who believe the Gospel though? Yes. Therefore, there are some of us, no matter how hard we try, no matter how much God reveals himself to us, who will still be damned based on God’s will. Why? No reason, it’s just his “hidden wisdom.” This is utter foolishness and makes God out to be an evil despot. That is not God's character! God bases his choice on those who truly believe by God's grace. Take AW Tozer for example, "For an act to be sinful the quality of voluntariness must also be present. Sin is the voluntary commission of an act known to be contrary to the will of God. Where there is no moral knowledge or where there is no voluntary choice, the act is not sinful; it cannot be, for sin is the transgression of the law and transgression must be voluntary." God does not divinely elect people individually based on nothing, as this would make God an evil dictator because there would be some who seek him, and do so with all their heart, that would find Hell instead of their Creator, making God's promise void. God's love is for all his creation, and he desires that YOU turn to HIM and REPENT. It is YOUR CHOICE. God will draw near to you, but in the end YOU NEED TO CHOOSE HIM!

[@user-gx4wi4cv2m]

Exactly, and he is entirely true and has a free will. Since we are made in the image of God, we have this capacity as well. He is bound to his own character.

[@user-gx4wi4cv2m]

That's what I said earlier: God will draw near to you, but in the end YOU NEED TO CHOOSE HIM! There's no specific verse? Throughout Scripture there are thousands of choices and instances of cause and effect that take place. The Israelites consistently choice wrong, yet God told them not to. If they did not have free will, then why would God tell them "This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live" (Deut. 30:19). Jesus does draw us near, but he does not make the decision for us. That is my definition of "free will." I do not think you have to have control over everything. You make it seem like if we have free will we somehow stop God's eternal will/law. In the end all will bow before Jesus Christ. The decisions you make today affect tomorrow. This is true. If we have free will why would we need to have: "1 - infinite knowledge 2 - infinite truth/understanding 3 - infinite power/control" And after that you say we would also need to possess an "infinite nature." Those are four points without any explanation. It's not a fact until you prove it. I demonstrated that there are numerous choices that have been made throughout history that have had real consequences in this world. In the end if people choose to live in sin they will meet their end in hell because they are finally getting what they were enjoying for so long, themselves. Complete loneliness and isolation from God. God's will is going to be accomplished in the end. It is like we (those who are saved) are all on a ship that is going in a certain direction (Heaven, union with God) and we all have a choice to make. We can choose to stop following Jesus and feed the flesh, but we will reap corruption. Or we can stay on the boat leading to eternal life which, in the analogy, is following Jesus Christ.

[@evanu6579]

Fatalism R.M. That’s a wicked doctrine my friend. It twists God’s character and makes Him out to be a liar. I suggest you study it out some more without the aid of these teachers. I wish you the best.

[@Android-ds9ie]

@Fatalism R.M. you are Antichrist

[@Android-ds9ie]

@@evanu6579 these people are talking about a creature called Monster this is not God Bible may not be 100% correct

[@kevinowenburress2435]

And how could you believe the Lord isn't partial to that which is good? So no, it looks like there is favor for His plan going forward, and the opposite is put off until after completion. Yeah, I would say that death isn't partial. Esau is racial. Don't you realize that? Cushites, Esau and his people.. The Lord has blessed white people with intelligence. With ideas, invention.. So what do you think Asians are? (Esau) and the Jacobites.. But yes there are more asians.. and what do they want? Ideas. Inventions. So what about the dragon and the end times.. and they commit genocide against asians so what about white people?

[@defcon1africa676]

I dont fucking care...

[@davidbeesley3390]

Hard Calvinism is bankrupt. It is on life support.

[@TheJpep2424]

It's 2000 years old and going strong

[@finistello9777]

@@TheJpep2424 It really isn't though.

[@derekshuel3217]

@@finistello9777 The Bible is on life support? :)

[@jeffscattareggia6622]

I always find it very interesting... Non Calvinists keep on saying "the bible says 'choose' ". "Therefore", they reason, "we must be able to choose". Of course the Scriptures emphasizes our choice. But if you understand "DEADNESS", then you should be able to see that men/women will never choose God unaided. That's the issue. They are D.E.A.D. in their trespasses and sins. That's like me going to the morgue and asking the cadavers if they'd like to play a pickup basketball game. Ain't gonna happen. God must change the stony heart into a heart of flesh. See Ezekiel 36:26 and notice all of the "I wills" (and GOD is the I). "And I WILL give you a new heart, and a new spirit I WILL put within you. And I WILL remove the heart of stone from your flesh and GIVE YOU a heart of flesh. Food for thought.....

[@jeffscattareggia6622]

@KTTGHMTJWYCBLAC We totally agree. I was responding to the guy who said Calvinism is dead. I disagree with that statement as you obviously do of course