Is Everyone Really Telling The Truth?

#roblox #tds #towerdefensesimulator #gaming
Ever since tdx came out roblox players have been at each others thoughts because they believe tds copied tdx and tdx copied tds on several occasions, but the real question is: are they right?
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[@endportex]

I’m not trying to spread hate btw. I’m just expressing my ideas about this topic. I know people are tired of hearing about it, but I just wanted to break it down for people who didn’t understand why there’s so much hate. Also if you would like to join the discord: discord.com/invite/the-portex-space-station-849750171243249694

[@Shadow_MiniMan-TDX]

2:05, Same, they for sure are and is likely, as they were, and probably still are, good friends. They are probably trying to grow both there games together and maybe the copy/hate comments were wanted from them as it spreads more awareness to the TD community and people might find their games that way. But I'm probably overthinking it - lvl 120 in TDX and 280 in TDS

[@WeLoveTurnipsHere.]

thats all cool but wheres my money for taking the longest time to freeze grave digger?

[@BlueJackuuu]

Ikr

[@CLOCKROOK]

a

[@CatToy4000]

a

[@propellars]

I was gonna just leave a meme comment but this is actually a very nuanced take on the whole situation. The fact that the audience of both these games are generally very young really hurts the discussion around them. It feels like the discussion of copying kind of just turned into "TDS vs TDX" with fans on both sides trashing the other for no real reason, and being toxic and arguing about arguments. When the drama was at its peak with the power-up stuff it should've been pretty obvious that TDS didn't copy, because they physically couldn't have. If memory serves correctly they posted their first power-up leak like, a few hours after TDX posted theirs. There is literally no way they could've seen the TDX leak, and made their own power-up system within a few hours. That is just straight up impossible. Not to mention that would just be an incredibly stupid plan LOL as shown by the amount of backlash they got. I genuinely just think that some of the admittedly similar updates came out near to each other through pure, weird coincidence. Anyways the two games are chill now so hopefully the communities can calm down a bit too. Although I admit I'm surprised you didn't mention how both TDS and TDX clearly copied Furry Tower Defense in this video, I guess you must've ran out of script-time?

[@OOSFOREVER2]

propellars W

[@mystrey9697]

No

[@Portugal0987]

Agree with Properllas, we all know Furry tower Defense was the Original, Tower battles wasnt, All hail the Og Furry tower defense!!

[@endportex]

When looking for comments about this for the video, I realize that they were very few long essay comments but instead they were mostly just small replies and one sentence comments that started the whole argument, which is kind of interesting to see because I’m assuming people just wrote the sentence without thinking and let it be kind of interesting and I do agree that I think both communities will chill out Also, I didn’t want to drag furry tower defense into it because the community is ferocious, can’t be messing with them 🤯

[@Wifa_Iguanana]

@@NzNoob909im not a big fan of your existence

[@TheUmbraN0tG4ming]

I will never forget that one guy on reddit saying patient zero was a predator copy because they had a cannon arm...

[@endportex]

💀

[@Atmxx1002]

They had patient zero concepted way before predator. I'm not kidding, after i posted the image to prove it, the people in the server got me falsely muted 💀💀

[@BackroomsTrappedForever]

gnome? That was a joke video lol

[@DangBao-ic1wf]

@@BackroomsTrappedForeverit was reddit bro

[@BackroomsTrappedForever]

@@DangBao-ic1wf alright

[@laisksjjsjs566]

Unironically, the brawler just gives the feeling of pat fusty. High damage slow attacking on early levels. High damage fast attacking on the later levels with stunning.

[@RexJr.Moquete]

btd6 is the godmother of all tower defense games after all

[@bluconestudios]

its squashing time!!! 😎😎😎

[@takebacktheholyland9306]

Don't forget the knockback, the knockback is what makes pat fusty

[@lsun4536]

The ability is also like saudas level 3 ability as they both jump to the enemies and deal damage, though the rest is very different

[@laisksjjsjs566]

@@takebacktheholyland9306 I said stunning at the end

[@WeLoveTurnipsHere.]

y'all ever thought that.. the same developers work behind the scene?

[@linusblindfold]

You'd be surprised by how little people acknowledge that

[@Polaraisc]

​@@linusblindfoldreal ?!#!?

[@talhayigitcelik1868]

I dont really know the devs of the both games but isnt john left liek the development team of the tds? No wait he wasnt even a developer who am i kidding

[@dio_fumo]

​@@talhayigitcelik1868he was a contributor

[@Tankcat-kb8ot]

John and below competing

[@Ducky_Apprentice]

They both copied toilet tower defense obviously

[@Beau-ry5rg]

So true

[@leviathan5309]

Lol

[@idk7241]

Lol

[@GermanSanitater]

Lol But this is a joke right?

[@gamingwithalexyt2787]

@@GermanSanitaterI would be safe to not spawn a “r/woosh” comment.

[@Tr4p-240]

People who are saying “tds copied tdx!!!” Havent even watched the video /: [i just finished it]

[@Samiho]

@@endportex did you reply to the wrong comment gng

[@endportex]

@@Samihoyep lol

[@30witness]

tower battle and tds all over again

[@Dextez420]

​@Spongebobfan12101 me + no + imagine rage baiting

[@Kingnoobreal]

Video about taking a break and to stop arguing about which TD game copied another Then you have the comments

[@jonah_uboy]

i've always found the discussion "tds is copying tdx" extremely stupid, especially considering the fact that there is evidence proving otherwise. for example, back in 2020, tds dev team hinted at a potential consumable system. i also find it annoying that the majority of people that spark these types of arguements are extremely young children that obviously do not know how hard it is to maintain relevancy on a video game platform like roblox, or maintaining a game in general.

[@taufikrigo]

​@Spongebobfan12101bro still use that 2022 Twitter ahh roast 💀 it's been 2 years

[@MaoZedowner]

you had one single extremely weak example and it wasn't even really hinted and nothing was known about it and it was literally four years ago and they just had to release it days after TDX did

[@Jay-qd7ib]

@@MaoZedowner bro 💀tdx released a leak of the consumables, and then 3 hours later tds did YOU CANT FUCKING MAKE A WHOLE ASS CONSUMABLES SYSTEM IN 3 HOURS

[@KevinTheOkay]

one thing we can agree on tho, they copied btd6. there is no going about it.

[@MaoZedowner]

@@KevinTheOkay I mean sure but its not even close in the way how similar tds' ones are to tdx

[@Dillyj8]

I think below and John are in a chat laughing at a chaos when they come up with a update.

[@Redlava]

Definitely

[@MarvX7]

​@Spongebobfan12101 drink liquid nitrogen

[@SovietComrade6675]

@Spongebobfan12101nuh uh

[@The_whales]

“Uh oh, Anyways” -both John and below natural

[@SovietComrade6675]

If you didnt know who i was talking about, the guy i was replying to who’s comment was deleted are the bots whom of which says something along the lines as “MY CHANNEL IS BETTER THAN {whatever channel they are commenting on}”

[@corruptedgaming9796]

I love how now most tdx fans just ignore sledger 💀

[@Atmxx1002]

Because it would invalidate them, they want to believe that TDX is completely original. I remember pointing out how it’s similar to TDS’s sledger, they said that John took inspiration and that below and John are still friends. Keep in mind, these are the same people who said that John and below had a falling out and called everything tds for copying everything from TDX

[@GuyGuy777]

​@@Atmxx1002tdx is not hivemind, not all of them would think the same thing.

[@bendysama1728]

Slammer and sledger are different, starting from the hammer equipment and wha they do, slammer use electric huge hammer​ in the path 2 and a huge hammer in path one with less stun but op ability that can burn and stun bosses or anything for3 seconds, slammer does not contantly burn,unlike sledger@@Atmxx1002

[@bendysama1728]

​@@Atmxx1002 everyone in tdx server ignore sledger and brawler bc they are original, it's not like everyone in tdx server make everything as a problem

[@marri0nz]

Sadly if tds added sledger after slammer was added they probably think they would've copied them

[@Asbestoos]

I hate how both communities fight like they’re the original ones, many other games are more original Ex: Tower Battles and BTD6

[@Brazil0987]

Why didn’t you put ttd as an ex?

[@Denomrix]

BTD6 is not even on roblox 💀

[@matuber6452]

@@Denomrix he wasnt talking about roblox tower defenses💀

[@Mostly_Rockin_it]

Tower battles is just the grandad of tds and tdx passing along knowledge and what works

[@Justitia_employee_FromLcorp]

⁠@@Denomrix just because BTD6 isn’t a roblox game or somewhat. Doesn’t mean that it heavily inspired said Roblox games in the video. A better example to this would be the Roblox games entrenched and centaura. Who took inspiration from BF1.

[@Counteriser]

Yeah, I agree. If any idea isn’t original than what is Original

[@onemsizbirvarlk5318]

grass, water, air. Fire is not original because its just air but hot. So fire copied air!

[@noobicusprime]

@@onemsizbirvarlk5318 but wait... everything copied God since God made everything!!!

[@onemsizbirvarlk5318]

@@noobicusprimegood ending

[@EthanYZX]

@@onemsizbirvarlk5318GRASS COPIED LEAVE!!!!1!1!1!1!!!!

[@willcthebest]

I don't complain about towers being copied anymore, but the one thing I still find myself complaining about is that in my opinion, tds is overrated while tdx and doomspire defense are both underrated I loved the doomspire defense stream, Counter!

[@thegaming_boi2710]

1:39: "TDX copied TDS" "go drink liquid nitrogen"

[@thesillyguy923]

real

[@A_person_on_the_internet1]

Real chain

[@moyaiman6491]

chain

[@Instinct23-uf1rk]

chain

[@Likgaty15]

chain

[@redfoxgaming961]

i think another thing is how unoriginal and unique games (not just tb based ones) are often the ones who end up dying and rotting at the bottom of the discovery page "if it aint broke dont fix it" works in a sense that you are simply going for efficiency. But when you make a game, you take a unique spin on an already well-made game idea.

[@RashTheRober]

Fun fact:i first play tds in 2020 frost invasion,and so 2021 eclipse event,from there i start playing more the game,until the people who says "TDS is trash","TDS copy TDX",and more,that makes me so angry of how people are influensed by strangers or toxic people,but people like you,corso,elite,and like that are very calm of this. I just want people from TD games to don't fight each other😔

[@RashTheRober]

I hope you see this comment

[@ricefarmer-kr4yv]

It all copied toilet TD duh, wait does that mean it all started by half life ?

[@chom531]

Beta people, acknowledge that Tdx and Tds copied Toilet tower defense.

[@dndplaceholder1902]

Get sledger from frost invasion?

[@Phuller]

@Spongebobfan12101Your ragebait is trash. Put more effort into it kiddo.

[@SpyRats]

*"let's just stop and vibe"* Aside TTD, that game doesn't deserve love for a reason

[@Fujin754]

It should not exist thanks

[@Genericytber]

Ttd is amazing! (The 8 yo kids have barged in my house and are forcing me)

[@MangoHavoc3681]

Ttd sucks ass. Even i like skibidi toilets eats shit

[@SirSunThe2nd]

TTD? Do you mean that slop that barely even works? Yep i wonder why the hell it even exists in the first place.. It just makes the whole TD community look bad..

[@Genericytber]

@@SirSunThe2nd yeah lol

[@liambanditghast049]

My ass enjoying tower defense games while i see TDS vs TDX war everywhere

[@SalmanMentos]

Real

[@fedefuentes5954]

GYATT

[@doubleitandpassitdown]

1:39 the bacon on the left makes a good point

[@endportex]

Oh fr?

[@jordysiahaan8440]

​@@endportexyeah he make a really good points, i tried one now im on my deathbed

[@BlueBloxRoblox]

@@endportex oh yeah, tdx is better now I'm smellier than a discord mod

[@BlueBloxRoblox]

@Spongebobfan12101 i thought it was bot until I check its channel...interesting worm

[@quandaledingle-lq2oy]

​@@BlueBloxRobloxnone other than less, report him.

[@MasterCat8533]

1:39 That’s crazy 💀

[@N_the_dron]

Im gonna settle this, they didn’t copy eachother, its almost impossible for td games to make original stuff, so to sum it up, they just remix each other’s ideas

[@mooncyster32]

hello jacob

[@Instinct23-uf1rk]

@@mooncyster32 He's not jacob

[@Blackbirdtree1]

well what about when towers are almost exact replicas

[@bluenightrblx]

I mean In my opinion at some point a game can become the baseline for what's expected. I mean like If your making a TD game you will inevitably copy BTD but at that point BTD has just become the golden standard, the baseline, the groundwork for what a TD game should be.

[@SavasciAga1]

As a guy who switched from Tower Battles to TDS, Commander isn't the guy who gives firerate to towers. It's DJ giving discounts and firerate buff meanwhile Commander gives range buff. Yes designs might look almost same but they are not same at all. So we can't say TDS completly copied Tower Battle's commander. And endportex, thanks for knowing difference between copying and being inspired.

[@dansmith6300]

Except both towers give fire rate buffs . Infact, commander gives more with call of arms

[@mikopupsel]

They copied half their towers tho

[@SavasciAga1]

@@dansmith6300 Uh I only remembering Tower Battle Commander's ability gives firerate. It gives range buff normally. (I remember like that)

[@Erased_UnityXDX]

​​@@SavasciAga1 Base commander gave a range boost Lvl 2 gave a fire rate boost After that, the next levels gives the following abilities: (From lvl3 to lvl5) COA APC Airstrike

[@SavasciAga1]

@@Erased_UnityXDX oh thanks I havent played TB for a while but I remember the abilites

[@willcthebest]

If we are talking about games that was inspired by other games, I'd say doomspire defense was inspired by tds and tdx, doomspire defense has an advisor like tdx and the spawn tower in doomspire defense is like the elf camp tower in tds as both towers can spawn a boss, the spawn in doomspire defense spawns in the sword master boss at max level while the elf camp in tds spawns in the ripped elf boss at max level, doomspire defense was inspired by tds and tdx

[@Instinct23-uf1rk]

ok

[@thecashier7074]

bro changed his opinion after watching the video💀

[@willcthebest]

@thecashier7074 doomspire defense is a very good game, also I played doomspire defense with counter a tdx content creator who is gonna play different tower defense games, also I met Veen the dev of doomspire defense and it was on a stream too

[@thechaotictrio4014]

​@@thecashier7074 Doomspire Defense literally says that their game is inspired from TDS in the game description dawg.

[@Nedward0]

Really solid video, only thing that id correct is Below and John being friends. There is evidence to suggest that a few weeks ago, they were definitely unhappy with each other about the "copying situation". The two things that suggest this is John slandering TDS and (indirectly) encouraging his fans to hate the game by calling it out for copying TB. Also, a dev said "John and Below have now settled their differences" so at some point recently they were not friends. But yeah this situation is absurd, and so ironic how fans whine when the other one takes inspiration but denies how their game has done the same thing.

[@BULGARIARAAAH]

I think the argument "copying tb" works for the first days of tds, when everything except the final bosses were named exactly the way they were in tb.

[@gunpowder777]

1:44 John and Below arent really friends anymore. John refers to tds as “the game that keeps copying” and Below has removed john’s avatar from a map (it was an easter egg).

[@gunpowder777]

You can see john referring to tds as that in some livestreams

[@gunpowder777]

Also i think the tds admin was trying to get rid of the backlash. Idk why john would still be mad if they were friends

[@yangliu6901]

@@gunpowder777he isn’t mad. he deleted most of the “tds copying” posts, as well as not saying tds is a copying game anymore

[@marri0nz]

What live streams and what time

[@Instinct23-uf1rk]

Check itsqueaking's post about john and below

[@OOSFOREVER2]

(sips coffee) to me, its cool to see tds and tdx have similiar updates, its not stealing to me, its nice cause i like to see an idea of a nuke or an airstrike in two type of styles, tds is more cartoony, and tdx is more realistic, and i like both games, however, tds could make stuff less laggy 😭

[@Brazil0987]

Why tf is tdx nuke as expensive as a leg

[@diamondkid2226]

@Brazil0987 can one-shot most bosses. there are like 3 or 4 enemies the nuke cannot kill

[@DangBao-ic1wf]

i agree that 2d nuke is realistic

[@diamondkid2226]

@DangBao-ic1wf 2D? Bro, which game are you even referring to because they both got 3d models for the nukes

[@OOSFOREVER2]

@@Brazil0987 real

[@D3nnlx]

They shouldn’t even be compared both games are beloved by their own communities and isn’t better to have more tower defense varieties?

[@AnakinRodrigues]

Oh my GOD I have been waiting for something like this! you explained it perfectly in ONE sentence being “nobody owns idea’s”

[@GigaChad-us9gg]

People forgot that the friendship between TDX and TDS, was displayed in each games, I haven't played TDX, I'm just guessing, what I am sure about though, is the fact that Below made an entirely new skin for his so called 'rival'.

[@diamondkid2226]

As someone who has played tons of different tower defense games, you start to see so many similar ideas with little differences thrown into it. Hell i've seen lots of obscure tower defense games that had unique tower mechanics that got added to the bigger ones months to years after the smaller one had it. Nobody talks about these though because nobody cares about the smaller games as they don't play it. The real problem is the formula the td genre follows. While some may put a spin on it with a unique mechanic (Good examples being Pixel gun TD, World TD, and Another Tower Defense Game just to name a few) most just follow the normal place and upgrade tower to stop enemies following a set path. If more TD devs jus tried to spice up the generic game formula they could make something that really stands out. That's just my opinion as a TD nerd

[@Blackfedoraowner]

But, as another TD nerd I must say, there are many possibilities with the standard formula. Evolution Evade, Tower Adventure, Critical Tower Defense, hell even Arena Tower Defense all feel like they show the potential of what is possible with TD games on Roblox and while maybe seeming a bit standard at first, you can see the layers and how deep you can go even with the common TD formula of placing a tower to protect a base.

[@diamondkid2226]

@Blackfedoraowner Other than tower adventure, I have played all of those, and I will mostly agree. They definitely spice up the standard formula of the genre. However, Arena TD just feels like a roblox version of bloons so it doesn't stand out as much to me. But it's still a step up from the rest.

[@QuiltedGinger]

Not nerd but Idk if people have talk about arknight but what are your opinion about it's quite a unique tower defense

[@diamondkid2226]

@QuiltedGinger I've seen it a few times, and it definitely has some pretty good gameplay. I'll probably never play it myself, though, as I find those anime mobile games to be pretty cash grabby.

[@neelimavaishnavi6520]

try world tower defense

[@justyourdailymate2272]

This is why I don’t really interact with both communities, they are just toxic wastelands in general at some points.

[@cheezburger4836]

Literally polluted wasteland

[@EthanYZX]

It’s crazy how TDS: Modded slipped though the cracks with this drama

[@SK-oc4lz]

i literally spawned the awakened fallen king in one of those goofy games

[@cgstudiosthebaconbro]

From what I got from this they basically took inspiration from tower battles, which tower battles probably took inpsiration from bloons

[@SnowyTheLabrador]

As a fellow player of TDS and having played almost 3 - 4 months and being rank 92 i understand that both games are indeed inspired by each other as the TDX creator actually used to be in TDS trailers and in the beginning a youtuber doing content about TDS, so we can guess the TDS devs are really close to TDX devs because of the past and if it was copied the Devs can claim that the other game copied them and cause a lot of out spark but they never did, and i am not being bias either since I played both games and I found TDX and TDS are very fun and also since these games are made for entertainment and to have fun , it doesn't matter because people have different playstyles and Devs try to make their game for everyone to enjoy , so arguing and claiming that TD games copy each other is ruining others experiences of players who find no fault but TBH both games are awesome and deserve popularity with no backlash and we also have to remember that we falsely claim TD games copy each other not realizing these Devs are spending hours and days making updates that their players would enjoy and the fact we hold backlash against the Devs of the TD games are very disgusting. Especially since we play the game for enjoyment not to judge the games and the similarities

[@person15342]

Oh hey that's my post at 0:27

[@person15342]

The jigsaw one, not the rant

[@TheUmbraN0tG4ming]

​@@person15342 hell naw yo ass trekking jigsaw

[@Brazil0987]

Nobody.

[@endportex]

W

[@person15342]

@@Brazil0987 thanks goat 🙏

[@tomascalvo2285]

Is understandable that everyone points out TDS as the ones copying, mostly because of their historial of copying TB since their release. TDS wasn't a planned game, and was a school project 100% based in TB (Or this was the argument back on TDS-TB drama). But on their release the game was almost a copy paste of tower battles with a reskin. Nowadays is a totally different game even if it stills takes inspiration from other games, as you said, 100% originality is impossible to reach.

[@Chedder_Almighty]

TDS and TDX are both great

[@cold_s]

Fr

[@DITMEMAY0987]

Fr

[@jacklam1722]

True

[@Instinct23-uf1rk]

True

[@Everythingbagel848]

i never really cared about tds or tdx making the same updates or similar updates and i still don't. Its truly just whatever you like more , like you said if someone likes tds over tdx their are obviously going to fight for tds vice versa. Just be happy they are releasing updates in the first place (can't wait for tdx collab with tower battles tho)

[@Shades_D]

errm is brawler that one thing from that one game from that one thing

[@odgenanimation546]

What are you trying to say?🤨

[@Shades_D]

​​@@odgenanimation546 6:39

[@odgenanimation546]

@@Shades_D ok

[@haventrain]

heyyyyy I'm a long time TDS player and consumables have been leaked in like 2019 - 2020 way before TDX came into existence but this video is very interesting and I never noticed the war between communities

[@ikbalsumerkan5000]

woah guys i will act like otherfs do 0 views in 1 minute wow he fell off wow wow its so over these types of comments sucks and i just cringed myself

[@undecillion1]

im mean it is a joke but an unfunny and unoriginal one.

[@ComiCommenter]

finally somebody gets it but please even its its ironic don't post these kinds of comments the drive me insane.

[@Instinct23-uf1rk]

I had a stroke reading this...

[@ikbalsumerkan5000]

@@Instinct23-uf1rk it is meant to make people have a stroke lmao (specially the ones who do this) and i was right there was a comment like this

[@Dexmonium]

Now way whe are coming back to those times when everyone was yapping about TDS always copied TB 💀

[@Quacksifyy]

Best video on all of this drama. Taking as little bias as possible while also making sure you aren't blaming one or the other. Couldn't agree more! :D

[@yeeternoob2010]

video games are an artform themselfs. they are a mashup of a ton of different artstyles such as music, architecture, gameplay design, ect. it takes a ton of skill to make a video game due to the amount of other skills you need. its hard, yet so worth it if you can pull it off. it could be an engaging, fun masterpeice that moves and inspires you, and stays with you for the rest of time. or that videogame is escape running head like no seriously did that game even exist or was i on acid.

[@maxlopatka3673]

fact that tds starts to do anything after tdx does, makes me angry. Like, why would tds make power-ups update after tdx did? And other examples

[@АнтонХохлов-я8ц]

1:53 This is a rework, but the armored factory in TDX was planned a month ago. I’m generally silent about the concept, the concept came out a year ago.

[@migueltroxx5534]

Armored factory vehicles were leaked like 8-9 months ago or something? Idk i forgor

[@ItsScriptable]

As Someone Who Is Creating there own td game right now, I can say that its so hard to create original content. Because it seems that all the good ideas have already been taken. I have to give props to the devs of these games to be pushing out content that does not completely feel like copy and paste.

[@kirkmineblox3065]

Those communities are cry babies, both communities, bias crap, both games are fantastic I am a tds fan, but tds and tdx are great games, comparing them and saying the other is shit

[@futureofgeography]

Regarding consumables, I also feel like TDS already had a basis for what it wanted to do regarding those, and I do believe they discuss updates with each other, hence why TDS took a different take on consumables than it originally was, a more TDX approach, which I think is good, because both games can provide ideas to another, which means they can implement better ideas more common!

[@rotfzz1424]

I wish tdx and tds copied toilet tower defense

[@onemsizbirvarlk5318]

spending 20k gems for 50 militants with gambling should be fun!

[@MaxGamin69]

Spending 85K gold to get 100 rangers and 25 operators and 1 edj is a fantastic idea 😁

[@HeavyOnMethenamine]

Hell no,that would just be a flat out stupid idea,its just going to be like ' hey let me gamble 5000 coins away for a chance of getting a mid tower' instead of 'man i saved up 1000 coins for the tower i can buy'

[@wayneyourname7749]

@@HeavyOnMethenamine I think this was a joke

[@HeavyOnMethenamine]

@@wayneyourname7749 i know but i might as well give my view on this

[@Zanechrome]

not only he solved most td game arguments, he solved my anxiety of someone calling my work "stolen" too 😅

[@speedykuroo8267]

Call mr krabs

[@Qxyrz]

Lets all make up and kiss eachother I think itll make things better 😍😍😍

[@Flonchosis]

im making a td game that has a lot of things heavily inspired off of TDX features, but the thing is im too worried about people calling it a copy just because i thought a feature was cool so i wanted to add it to my game with a little bit of a twist because i thought it would be fun for the players examples are a powerup system similar to TDX where you buy them in the menu and use them in game, and even gamemodes like endless i worry so much about making my game original that i start getting discouraged to even work on it because of how many of the features in the game are so similar to things that have already been done before in TD games

[@leonardotrujillo8661]

Drink liquid nitrogen is crazy💀 love you daddy portex❤ Send a therapist to me pls

[@SwagSeal]

???

[@endportex]

With every video, your comments just keep getting worse

[@leonardotrujillo8661]

@@endportex let's keep it this way, but if you just put a picture of Umbra or mention her, oh boy, my comment is about to get hella devious😈😈😈

[@rahvun599]

Sometimes they have to share common ideas together, overall happening in video game industry. It's not like battlefield copied counter strike because they have guns or something🫡that one game is a successor of an old td game and another one is a brand new td game, it's that simple.

[@Heyitslaura31]

brawler is in wtd (world tower defense) but I doubt that they even played the game wtd long enough to get the tower. So the tds brawler probably wasnt even based on the wtd one.

[@that1guythat1guy]

I was going to say that (striker is the tower)

[@endportex]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen that tower before. Is it basically the same mechanics?

[@Finnn69]

​@@endportexnah. Wtd brawler is a starter tower thats supposed to be a tanky and weak unit.

[@moyaiman6491]

@@endportex no. wtd is a completely different game from tds, tdx, btd6, or tb, as its map is more open. its more like a zombie/wave survival game with td aspects than a td game. brawler runs to the nearest enemy trying to pick a fight with it. it is futile but cheap. its mad op when at max.

[@Heyitslaura31]

@@moyaiman6491 yeah that's why I said that they probably didn't really even get inspiration from wtd. I can't explain why but for some reason my reply feels rude.

[@gideongrubb6839]

In the worst case of somebody did copy another, at the end of the day who cares both have different gameplay styles and are very different games. it’s like saying skyrim is assassins creeds because “oh well they both story action games that takes place before modern day.” If anything I like they are taking inspiration like this as it leads to light competition and drives devs to make better content.

[@ItzSkratts]

Based ass video

[@mercyplayz9621]

I played TDS and TDX and apart from the bare bones TD gameplay loop. They are arguely different in unique ways like how TDS tends to stick to the basics without much outward gimmicks like TDX does with the concept of your towers actually being able to be un-alived. And alse people gotta remember that John Roblox actually played TDS a lot back in the day and actually worked a bit of TDS official content before moving on to make his own TD game with a much more polished design, art direction and most likely creative vision because TDX is still pretty fresh on the scene and John can take it in a variety of directions

[@legoloco674]

A lot of other tower defense games, the devs barely put any effort towards the map 💀, like world defenders, the house td

[@omoabdelrahmane6076]

Tds didnt copied tdx

[@Wellheresthething]

Everyone saids ever

[@jaedengerardo-Author]

It genially makes me sad to see everyone pointlessly bicker over these kinds of updates, the Devs really are trying their best to keep their game afloat, and inspiration is a large contributing factor. As a book author, I sometimes take inspiration from other books and put my own spin on it, and I know for a fact I'm not the only author to do so. So why its suddenly such an issue when TDS or TDX do the same with each other, beats me. My point is that those who pointlessly argue over these updates, needs to realize that inspiration is in everything in the modern world. And even if one copies the other to some degree, I don't see the issue. Since John and Below are good friends, they should be allowed to bounce ideas between each other, and add their own personal ideas as well. My friend will sometimes give me suggestions for my books, and I'll either use them or add them with my own creative spin. Either way, everyone just needs to calm down and let the Devs cook.

[@Swagmaster07]

Honestly both games are different regardless, on the surface they look the Samey but when you think about all the little details, they are different. Like currently TDX is more beginner friendly with the juicy 80% map reward, now less grindy because of the map reward, and speed boost in solo, towers that are good in their own ways and serve their purpose, even featuring 2 paths if you want to improve the other aspect of it promoting some experimentation, smaller difficulty curve splitting it all up in 4, more like 5 game modes having some kind of twist compared to the others, like "you need a lot of splash damage here!" as opposed to "splash damage could be good, but you will probably be fine anyway lol" in TDS, + Way better music lol, unironically makes the game feel "cooler". TDS is just TDS, different art style, higher difficulty curve, more grindy compared to TDX, even high level's don't have any high level game mode for them to grind, just Fallen or "Pizza Party Strat" I have heard about, and the high end towers aren't that op, unless golden skins. (Couldn't find anything more special to say about it.)

[@CLOCKROOK]

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[@Fong-kt2pf]

I honestly like both games, they are unique in some way. I dont mind the "copying" vise versa because they are all free good games with high quality updates and great game design

[@Combatic302]

bro that "TDX is better." "Drink liquid nitrogen." really got me on the floor ( No cap LOLLLLLLLL )

[@Theredmeteor4]

Thank you so much for making this video! So many people have been going at tds, now everyone knows that both tds and tdx did not copy each other, they got ideas from btt6, which other games such as tb got ideas from. Now the cycle can stop, no one copies each other, they get idea from each other, and show how much they like the ideas that they make it part of their game.

[@VendaMed]

I get what you're saying but i still have this feeling of me to protect tdx when i'm good at tds too, i just don't know why.

[@GuardedTrains0987]

People over here arguing over TDS and TDX when I’m over here enjoying the gem of WTD (World Tower Defense, name stated given how underrated it is)

[@Deaming1197]

People please remember that balloons was also inspired by pvz

[@JDR00L]

the only part i dislike tds is how much they disrespect planet, planet was generous enough to give tds the base game and the green thumb to continue but later on base started spitting on planet.

[@Sohcahtoa14]

This is literally just mad city-jailbreak. The devs have been fully capable of these updates, but theyve always been the sole game in their genre. When a competitor shows up, theyre gonna need to catch up. Each game makes original updates that, in turn, the other will also add, in their own fashion. Its just competition Also, stfu, everyone copied bloons

[@sciaticraptor3643]

"Tdx is better" " *drink liquid nitrogen* " Dam that escalated quickly

[@PresentYes]

While it’s true that below and John are both friends, I saw a post on John’s discord revealing that commander from tower battles will be in TDX. At the end, he said something like “im sure hope no other game steals this and claims this as their own” it’s edited to something different now, but in that case he could possibly be joking around

[@yangliu6901]

it’s because below and john talked things out after the consumables update, he edited that post because john doesn’t feel that way anymore

[@PresentYes]

@@yangliu6901 do you know where? I can’t rlly find information abt any of this

[@yangliu6901]

@@PresentYes a tds discord staff talked about below and john talking things out when they released their commander rework, although i can’t really find it anymore

[@PresentYes]

@@yangliu6901 well I kinda just find it weird that none of the 2 confirmed themselves that they are like “yeah we are cool” I feel like John would talk abt it in a video

[@bcjflorr]

its just sad how tower battles wont really be getting major updates because of 1 dev and him focusing on life not Roblox games but that's reality

[@alejandroemmanuelortizsant5330]

Idk why both communities fight to see who is the original when literally the main inspiration is tb and btd6

[@Dwayne_Pangan]

If devs release an update without testing all would be disaster because too much bug to fixed

[@Dr.Tanner7]

You know i thought tds copied some concepts of tdx But i think this has changed me. Never really thought about it ya know? It makes sense. As someone who thought tds was copying tdx, i can see where the community is coming from and i can understand. However, after reasoning i can see how its all just nonsense and stupidity. You are absolutely right, every game has their inspiration and none of them are copying. I see my mistake in my accusations. As someone who is currently working on a roblox TD game, I see that about like 99% or even more of ideas or mechanics aren't original but they are also not stolen. I know how the people who make accusations feel and understand why but it needs to stop. Thank you, and have a wonderful day.

[@Vexetharius]

I like how people said TDS copied TB when TDS is kinda like a Tb remake back in the day before overhaul

[@CooIStuffz]

Tds wasn't even a remake there was litterally a whole drama with tds copying graveyard design

[@Vexetharius]

@@CooIStuffz idk I just think old tds looks too much like tb

[@CooIStuffz]

@@Vexetharius it def did

[@Average_PlayerFromRBX]

few more things to adress: TDX was made because john loved TDS and simply was inspired to make one on its own meaning TDX is technically an fangame making possible "copies" tolarable. after all there is no more "original content" anymore given its all used making something unique way more dificult given they are probably allready made

[@wikisans9403]

Really? I thought Tdx was inspired by tb because of all the little Easter egg within Tdx.

[@Finnn69]

​@@wikisans9403both... john started to makr TDX during the solar eclipse event since TDS gotten boring.

[@ChilliumMan]

@@Finnn69 i dont think it was because it was boring, i think that was just rather a click-baitey title to promote his game

[@Instinct23-uf1rk]

@@Finnn69 solar eclipse event wasn't boring bro

[@Finnn69]

@@Instinct23-uf1rk if you finished everything then yeah. Plus he's an admin in TDS meaning he pretty much dond anything.

[@SkeletonSlacker]

while devs collaborate, communities fight. *always.*

[@tyrusward4397]

How many videos are going to be about this...

[@Plutoniumisconsumeable]

Why did this get so philosophical for no reason (its super cool but doesn’t happen often…)

[@A_damn.000]

I like both but tdx kinda seems better you have 2 paths better boss and map designs for some reason it also lags less and just runs way better

[@Lerdo18]

I was hoping that the devs of tds and tdx are somehow connected so it wasn't stolen from each other

[@ethanxiong6292]

I personally found it very odd that TDS was updated like 3 days after TDX was updated but I never called TDS copying since it’s ok to be inspired to make a balancing change to a tower or make a new tower in general. Personally a little inspiration is what gets everyone motivated to add a little change with their own twist just like how you said it about Art and KZbin

[@mcgamer8706]

The quote in the end gave me chills

[@Cat_png23]

If more td games got made, Roblox community will wild and arguing 24/7 hours Lol

[@Zizzy-k9z]

Man, we are all in the tower defense community. Stop being at each other throats for updates that are simliar. It just is not good for the games to have such a toxic community.

[@xyrkzes]

The only parallel I can think of when it comes to brawler, is bottom tree super monkey in BTD6 cause level 3 bottom tree lets you teleport the tower within a certain distance, and max level lets you teleport it anywhere.

[@endportex]

That is extremely specific and true, that’s about the closest thing I can think. I think brawler is original enough

[@yangliu6901]

I don’t think it was anywhere in the map tho, the darkshift ability lets the super monkey teleport in a specific range if i remember correctly

[@logannightx8845]

@@yangliu6901 yes but at tier 4 and above its global

[@yangliu6901]

@@logannightx8845 ah

[@linusblindfold]

Yeah when I saw the brawler teaser I immidiately thought of the bottom path super monkey but I didn't really see it as a copy since the towers are so fundamentally different

[@tumishock]

I am not a tds player to see the drama. I am a tds player to have fun

[@SirSunThe2nd]

Finally someone said it!! I absolutely hate it how erratic TDX/TDS fans can be when it comes to debating about personal opinions..

[@RandomBadAnimator]

You thought i wouldnt notice you using "Kurzgesagt - The egg" at the end there. Jokes on you i listen to that almost daily.

[@tricky6614]

6:33 i remember seeing a tdx fan say tds copied critical tower defense cuz Tempest from ctd does AOE damage when its placed and brawlers ability does the same

[@Bcai_TheLegendHimself]

it copied scp tower defense's achilles heel

[@TotallyNotSnowy.]

I've seen them say that tds copied freezer thing(forgot the name) of tds by adding cyromancer

[@hamIindigo]

In summary, TDX and TDS fans need to make out.

[@Legendstar55-cj5ie]

If John and Below were friends, then why was John's admin removed?

[@marri0nz]

Probably because he doesn't play the game anymore as he's too busy with tdx

[@HevNish]

Then why his statue was removed from rocket arena?

[@marri0nz]

@@HevNish I don't think he wanted to be affiliated with tds anymore and besides if below really hated him we wouldve removed his skin too

[@branched5665]

I agree that TDS mostly just takes inspiration, but the commander is a flat-out copy, like there's no spin on it 😭

[@Hermen-sv8pl]

Wait I thought the TDX game was the second game out of the TD series because when I play that game it had John in it?

[@IRAQI_ARROW]

we all missed john was playing tds and not making tdx...

[@noorjameenplaysrobloxislan3435]

The fact that i play tds,tdx and tb at the same time and have a very high lvls on all of those games