Is FFXIV Dawntrail Worth Your Subscription?

[@ZessaSnake]

I think we now see in full effect the result of playing it too safe for too long in terms of content.

[@foxyfoxington2651]

The steam numbers are below where they were at the end of Stormblood. Not only have they bled all of the WoW refugee subs, they've bled all of the Shadowbringers subs as well. I realize the numbers aren't 100% accurate, but if the trend holds across the other platforms then it's a grim one for the future of the game. They may have passed the point where they can course-correct out of it.

[@pklifeupa7064]

Imagine having to wait a whole ass expansion for a job rework, its insane...

[@kohlicoide2258]

Tbh what is for me more a insult.. the devs CLEARLY play favorit with some jobs, for example Monk. Get a rework in DT, get a Rework in EW and also a soft rework in ShB (not 100% sure about that but i know they change something) AST gets a card rework every Addon. PLD gets a soft rework just because his old playstyle worked poor in DSR and the Devs dont think about the fact that PLD cant block dot damage before they create a Savage Tier where almost everything does DoT Damage.. to quote Yoshi P "Are they even play their own game?" But they cant rework DRK? Nah they just dont care about it.. and try to keep this job "alive" with as little effort as possible because removing a job from a game entirely (not just playstyle also aesthetic) can result in a very unhappy community. Then we look at DRK he is in the same state since Shadowbringer in the end, and here is the part were i clearly say "The devs dont want this job at all". When Inner Release etc get reworked they literally need feedback of the community to get reminded of the fact that Bloodweapon is _Garbage_ at how it works in Shadowbringer, first in the first bigger content patch it get is stacks or Living Dead.. it was in this whole "You cant heal yourself but you die if you dont get healed, but when you get healed to fast you also die." for _entire Shadowbringer_ why no one of the devs dont notice that? Or so much later? I mean back then a Whitemage was almost mandatory when you have a DRK and even now it can _happen_ sometimes that DRK still die to LD (when you play 2.5, bad ping, weakness.. etc) I think if they can they would literally delete DRK out of the game, because you clearly see that the devs dont care at all anymore.. or for far to long time, because idgf about the missing plunge i dont rly liked it anyway.. but the 2 missing Bloodweapon stacks are rly hurt the DRK because People often say "DRK lost one Edge of Shadow per Minute with that" i just write that different that people understand the big idiocy behind that.. "DRK lost one TBN per Minute." they take the Tank with the worst selfhealing in the entire game and nerf it even more. I dont know who designed Darkknight but he is clearly incompetent and he should honest to the community and just say "We hate this job, can we please delete him to focus more on the other tanks?" Edit: Because i talk about the lost TBN because of the reduced Bloodweapon MPs, this was also easy to avoid if the devs are not lazy.. just change the Bloodweapon MP from 600 (5x600=3000) to 1000 per hit (3x1000=3000) and their is no big difference besides that you have MAYBE one EoS use more early in pull to avoid overcapping.. but again.. they need to put effort for that in the job.. and this is a big no no.

[@pklifeupa7064]

@@kohlicoide2258 then when they get to DRK, it's gonna be some half ass bullshit, probably another Oblation charge and call it a day...

[@kohlicoide2258]

@@pklifeupa7064 "Oblation gives now a 50 Potency HoT because TBN is strong enough!" "So anyway.. we need a full Reaper Rework because some min maxer starts to complaining about something!"

[@talimpalim]

​@@kohlicoide2258a very emotional point of view.

[@kohlicoide2258]

@@talimpalim Tbh yes, i love this job he has for me as someone that fight with depression and abuse the most interesting Lore of all jobs/classes etc i ever play in a MMO (FF14, WoW, SWTOR, Lotro, ESO, GW2) When i reached HW back in the ShB Time i pushed DRK from 30 to 50 in one evening just to be able to continue the MSQ with him. But when i play longer i often notice how much i enjoy the gameplay of other Tanks more while DRK just get carried from his lore/aesthetic. And when i see how extrem fast the can change other Jobs like Viper etc im absolutly sure they are just lazy and probadly dont play the Job at all and just keep DRK alive because they must.

[@oriji8139]

Hunts are not content. You cant even see the hunt half the time. How is an invisible mob that dies in 10 secs qualify as content?

[@pklifeupa7064]

Facts, I spam aoes where I think it is, just like minesweeper...

[@matthewsnow3074]

Hunts are terrible content. I don't know why they keep adding A ranks. Better to have more fate bosses that scale better with player numbers that can give tomes.

[@darrellbruh1335]

it's not SE's fault your PC sucks bro

[@oriji8139]

@darrellbruh1335 this how you say you've never done a hunt train before, without saying it lol

[@immersion9880]

Even the B ranks suck. You kill one or two of each mark then teleport to the next. You’re spending more time teleporting to different maps than killing mobs. Just keep it to one mark, increase the kill count, and increase the bounty. If I had it my way, make B rank hunts like Slayer tasks in OSRS.

[@hawgacrux]

The perspective "you also pay a sub to play all the cool old content" is honestly a punch in the face for those who play since the beginning or already did the old content in the EW lull. An MMO shouldn't be just old content and the new content is so far away it could just not exist and right now no, the sub money is not worth it in my opinion. We don't even know if it will be good or just more one and done content.

[@AzuriteTV]

Wasn't my intention to punch down on that point, I was just stating a fact but I apologise if it came across that way. I've also been playing for a long time (ARR) and done most evergreen content, just haven't done the shitty little achievement stuff lmao. But yes I do agree, we aren't getting enough for our sub as long time players, I should have spent more time reinforcing that point in the video but I'm not use to doing unscripted content so I'm a bit all over the place sometimes and for that I'm sorry.

[@hawgacrux]

@@AzuriteTV No need to apologize. I get what you meant and my words probably were a bit too harsh.

[@foxyfoxington2651]

Fun fact: There used to be a reason to go back and play the cool old content. Playing the cool old content used to progress your relic weaponm. It used to be that even logging in and doing your roulettes would be relic progress. That went away when the gated the relic weapon behind its own zone... And then delayed it into the middle of the patch cycle... So there's no reason to go back and do the old content once it's "solved". It doesn't progress anything. That said: It would be fun if they had some form of progression that incentivized this... But it's probably not possible because it doesn't fit in YoshiP's spreadsheets (and we all know how much fun those are).

[@toychristopher]

I've been subscribed since ARR launch and don't feel punched in the face by a reliable content schedule that keeps me entertained. It's sad to see a community turn negative just so content creators can get views based on a false narrative that the FFXIV devs don't innovate when they absolutely do.

[@hawgacrux]

@@toychristopher I didn't mention innovation anywhere and the "being punched in the face" was like I wrote regarding getting old content with our sub and there not being anything to do in the game for people like me who played for years now. Not about any content schedule (while I do find that one bad). I respect your opinion but I don't really see what that has to do with my comment tbh.

[@eleus8715]

wait what you guys are not hyped to farm materia from chaos raids?

[@chilosopher4856]

😂😢

[@jiskool1]

If your a new player then yes it’s worth the massive amount of content to catch up to dawntrail. If you’re a vet then no it’s not worth it going forward. There needs to be change but unfournatly these journalist would rather glaze yoship instead of grilling him with hard questions about the concerns of the players

[@neobahumuth6]

ah yes it's journalists faults, man if only there was a group of players that had chances to speak with any of the devs, you know like some kind of players who play since 10 years and had that chance.....yeah....there was nobody. Maybe they'll keep malding over some change to DRK or whatever I dunno, but surely SURELY there was nobody that could've brought up this

[@Jahkrel]

Given the success of the game you would think they would invest into adding game content. But they just shuffle the cards around like less dungeons but you get island sanctuary. I should be excited to log into a massive mmo to see what they have for us next. Instead on the contrary many forms of content have become worse over time like dungeons, alliance raids, field exploration zones, events, deep dungeon and even savage at this point. Joined in endwalker and the game still feels contentless already. I love lots of parts of the game but squenix has realized they can produce no content and still people sub. Until people start unsubbing, the game will start feeling more and more like logging in to facebook to talk to friends (which the friends list is a disaster too). And its our fault in the end, they speak money and we keep giving it.

[@foxyfoxington2651]

I've been playing for 11 years and they've always been this way. I remember the dud of a patch that was 3.1 and they way they just let all of the hype around Heavensward bleed into nothing (and when they practically killed the raid scene). It's like they're happy to just be this tiny Japanese MMO that only plays to a niche audience. It's bizarre because it's been one of SE's few profitable games (and because of all the investment they put into infrastructure and graphics updates).

[@kampfh7150]

Ah, we're at that point already in the patch cycle. Dope

[@orpheustelos23]

Free games have better update schedules than this paid + subscription one.

[@mezeporta]

Warframe is still king of this

[@toychristopher]

@@orpheustelos23 there is no such thing as "free" games. Someone is paying even if it isn't you.

[@paulsmith950]

I'm a 1.0 player that literally only subs to keep my house at this point. The take a break argument is total garbage and always has been. Fundamentally, the content output relative to the requested funds just does not track and the goodwill has run out at this point. Dawntrail's joke of an MSQ and lack of anything outside of raid tier content for the first 6 months is laughably bad by any metric. Expansions should be new systems, features, and stories, not the same trough of fates, same hunts, same treasure maps, same dungeon with a different coat of paint. It's just tired and old. If jobs were more interesting or the gearing system not quite so aggressively vertical (i.e. every six months launch your gear directly into the garbage for bigger number), we might get away with older content lasting, but their philosophy is akin to a fast food joint. It's single shot, low-investment content that runs it's course and will only ever been seen again on a blue moon roulette run if that. I sound particularly negative because this is a game I've followed and played since the very beginning. I've loved jobs that have been butchered, I've loved raids that no longer have relevance, I've loved systems that have been left to rot in the dust (Squadrons, GCs, Chocobos, tons of Golden Saucer content), and the sense that this game is no longer for me weighs heavy. I want a reason to play and I want to support CBU3 - FF is my all-time favourite franchise from childhood. They're just not delivering a quality product anymore. It really is that simple.

[@lemontonk]

your opinions are totally valid but man its seeing comments like this that really throw me for a loop and realize just how much divide there is in the ffxiv fanbase. im a new player, started in 6.5. ive been absolutely loving everything for the most part. love the story, even dawntrail (wuk is so adorable) , love the raids (only looking for my m4s clear now hopefully today actually), and i love the absolute mountain of content inbetween. all the jobs have some interesting quirk to them even if i dont play all of them regularly im close to getting all of them to 100 (only sage and blm left) theres such a crazy ammount of stuff to do total its overwhelming but im loving going thru all of it rn. im getting close to doing most of what i ant to do so i can see the light at the end of the tunnel tho and am excited to take some time off to play BG3 or something while i wait for a new patch. but i can also see a good amount of truth in your comment (even if drenched in a solid amount of bitterness for a game you dont enjoy anymore) hopefully SE can move in the right direction with the coming patches. i know ill probably enjoy it no matter what but we will see.

[@SeraphVariel]

@@lemontonk I think the main reason you're so satisfied by what's left in the 'mountain of content' as you put it is precisely because you weren't around for when it released. Having that backlog of content means that you don't have to be concerned about figuring out what to do next, while those who have been playing longer tend to be stuck with one or two choices, outside of becoming an achievement hunter. Having all of the content spaced out as we do means those who have done the majority of content in the game finish with it in like, a week, and even when there is 'new' content, often it's just the same content reskinned, or worse, further simplified. The content patches are predictable, take too long to come out, and are often filled with one and done content as well- especially when the track record for actually new content has such bad rewards (Criterion). I'm glad you're enjoying the content, but I'm at the point where I'm so jaded that I believe it to be the early honeymoon phase of a newer player speaking for you. Once you catch up to having done most of the content in the game, and do all of the content as it releases for an expansion, and then repeat it next expansion, I hope you won't turn out like the majority of the veteran player base, due to the expected content in Dawntrail. Things need to change after remaining the same for near to 10 years, and so far, many of us aren't convinced that it will, especially at the speed content releases right now.

[@shiro3146]

@@SeraphVariel this sounds so much like PSO2 problem too for some reason, specifically after the NGS patch where Global player has no entire backlog like on PSO2 pre NGS

[@rfygband]

I don't blame you for having the criticism you have for the game. Been playing since 2.0 so still a significant amount of time, even though not as long as 1.0 of course. I do wonder why you still worry about keeping your house though. If you aren't enjoying the game and as you say "and the sense that this game is no longer for me weighs heavy", why would you want to keep spending money to keep a house that you essentially aren't using? I mean, there's nothing wrong with it, but I just don't think I understand why you would want to keep spending money on a subscription for a game you have no interest in playing, and therefore the house doesn't really mean much since you won't really be using it anyway. I wouldn't want to create a meaningless obligation for myself to pay every month for something I don't want to use and have no real obligation to use it.

[@paulsmith950]

@@rfygband You are absolutely right, if I never intended to return I'd just cut loose. The problem is I want to return, I desperately want a reason to be in the game and enjoying myself like I have over the years. There's definitely a bit of sunk cost fallacy involved here, it's probably never going to get better, but I played the game daily for years and it's really only during EW and DT that I haven't. It's hard to just kaibosh everything when it hasn't always been this way and hopefully won't again.

[@ViccarAbyss]

I made an alt, honestly. I'm having a lot of fun with it, mostly because I'm playing as Ganondorf but it's still pretty great. In regards to people just playing old content if they don't have anything to do, I don't actually like that. While I think it's always great to have a backlog of old content to do, reasonably I should be able to enjoy a new patch for more than a few days... I don't raid anymore, and I shouldn't have to do the same four fights week after week to get my BiS that will immediately become irrelevant the next patch JUST so that I have something to do. I want grinding content. I'm playing an MMO, I expect MMO content. Eureka was great. Bozja was fine. Give us that earlier.

[@Aitherea]

This was such an interesting convo, enjoyed hearing your thoughts on it and found them quite reasonable even if i dont agree 100% with everything. Personally, I've come to really appreciate the content lulls... esp when I raid, i tend to get bored/burned out with the game and I love being able to play other games without feeling like I'm missing anything with XIV. I also miss the event dungeons xD As for adding stuff in to flop content like Island Sanctuary, i feel like for some stuff they just dont have time to develop it differently after the fact or it cant be made apriority because its not an important enough piece of content. Personally, im excited also for just the basic stuff we always get. I LOVE beast tribes. I LOVE alliance raids. I LOVE extreme trials. I found variant really fun and still havent really tried criterion! So this plus all the new stuff we're getting is really exciting for me. I do think we need more midcore content though in terms of difficulty. Theres plenty to scratch the itch for a casual player, but someone who wants a difficulty lvl harder than the average dungeon but not as hard as ex/savage... there's really not a lot. Id love to see more Bozja level difficulty (like the CEs and raids), and im hoping the next exploration zone will be similar in difficulty. Also, ngl, theres nothing wrong with just unsubbing when youre bored and resubbing when a new patch drops (speak with your money as they say). Like, I do think there should be slightly more new content to do... but we dont need a game creating nothing more than busywork for us to do or turning grindy (because sadly, this is often the route games take to get people to keep playing --chores and grinding). Idk im just really excited about being able to play other games and I dont want ffxiv to turn into something where I feel too busy to be able to do that xDD

[@omensoffate]

The point isn’t about how you FEEL about it. The game has done the same content drop for 10 years now. It’s boring it’s samey and they take no risks.

[@Aitherea]

@@omensoffate No but it kind of is about how we FEEL about it. If enough people care, then yeah, theyll have to change. If people dont care or even LIKE it, then they dont.

[@asheartesano]

@@Aitherea I suppose this is true! The big issue is that a lot of people don't really care / are neutral, and don't really know that the game COULD be better than it currently is! I definitely agree that adding meaningless and excessive grinds is a really bad idea though. People who beg for relics to take a grad school degree and some residency thrown in there in terms of time-investment make no sense to me lmao

[@asheartesano]

Def can understand why they don't like the EW relics though. I personally like being able to get the glowey things quick, but can appreciate a nice adventure to getting there in order to make it feel valuable.

[@8octa8]

@@omensoffate Exactly it's too formulaic and people feel justified in echoing Yoshi-P's "it's okay to unsub" sentiment. No it's actually ridiculous at this point how long the content lulls are... im fully convinced the devs are just lazy and creatively bankrupt at this point.

[@bendonatier]

The thing that kills me is them not adding the variant in the x.1 patch. It's the content that I loved the most in EW, and it's weird that something we get three of something so tied to combat, and yet they aren't in line with the raid gear tiers. I could understand in ew since it was new, but I feel like this confirms V&C aren't getting gear.

[@pklifeupa7064]

@@bendonatier you will enjoy your materia, and you will like it, 15 dollars please.

[@typhman]

No

[@xenorayy]

I mostly log in to do ultimates, content lull and savage being cleared quickly made people go back to those fast, I managed to clear one and finishing up a second. I can see how people who don't raid have issues finding stuff to do.

[@ncBadrock]

The only think keeping me from being unsubbed is: a) my house and b) Subscribing 6 months when DT launched. But am I playing? No: I have no energy after work to do something that requires working together with a team of people to solve problems. So I don't do harder content, any more because it feels quite literally the same as work to me. And thus the content drops are really not made for me.

[@toychristopher]

Yes. Next question?

[@LuminNox]

How dare you say I'm not a casual. My 20h weekly ERP sessions and limsaafk times are super casual! You have no rights saying I'm more than a casual when the game is my second life and I just refuse to do harder content! You don't pay my sub you toxic raider!!! 😘

[@arjay69]

Once I got my savage gear for FRU, I am now trying to clear TOP, only real reason while I am still subbed.

[@FreyAFreya-o1p]

if theres a server capacity on the number of roulettes, why dont they create a rotating roster of roulettes that changes every week? Would be more fun

[@kyoai]

In terms of story, I consider Dawntrail only really worth it after the start of the Shaaloani/Heritage Found/Solution9-arc, which is the point where I found Dawntrail became to be fun and interesting (except for that the English voice line during the last trial, you know what I mean). Before that (Wuk's trials) it's a rather underdeveloped gameplay-free plot-hole-driven dialogue-marathon that has barely any relevance during the second half of the expansion. Once Heritage Found/Solution9 is reached, I found it to be extremely entertaining, the new raid series is amazing in both mechanics and story and I can't wait to see the next tiers of it, both story- and gameplay-wise. Personally I wish the main part of Dawntrail was only about Shaaloani/Alexandria (Wuk's trials should have been a post-expansion story while the appearance of the Dome should have been the start of Dawntrail), I found the story and mystery about Alexandria and what happened to it so much more engaging and interesting than the first half ot the expansion.

[@clintonwilcox4690]

On the contrary, Wuk's trials should have been the main focus of the expansion and Heritage Found, etc., should have been the next expansion. The whole point of this expansion was Wuk's trials, and that was what was played up. Instead, we got what felt like two different stories crammed into one. There were things they promised that they just didn't follow through with or didn't pull off in a satisfactory way that probably would have improved the experience if they had really done much with it. For example, they really hyped up a rivalry between Scions. Instead what we got was one or two moments during a dungeon where there was some dialogue, and the appearance of rivalry (which really just amounted to still taking a linear path rather than having to react and think on our feet to figure out how we'd get out of the situation the rival put us in). But we ended up teaming up fairly quickly in the story. They also really hyped up that we'd find out more about Krile's past but they dropped the ball on that, too. The whole thing was just rushed and underdeveloped, and if they had really allowed the Wuk's trials expansion to marinate and really focused on it and what they hyped up before, it could have been a lot better than what we actually got.

[@docilecatfish1370]

I want to believe Yoshi P is aware of the state the game is in and is trying his best to course correct it. Encounter-wise, I read of much high praise when it came to the Dungeons and raids. Yoshi P saved the game once before, he can do it again, can't he?

[@foxyfoxington2651]

The problem is that the way he manages the game that course correction will take 2-3 years.

[@immersion9880]

Honestly I’m getting tired of the assumption devs make that players want to level all the jobs. I don’t. Call me close minded but jobs like dancer and pictomancer have zero appeal to me. Pretty sure a lot of players don’t enjoy leveling tanks due to the tank-xiety people get. I enjoy playing 2 or 3 and then want to master and gear them. I can’t be the only one.

[@chilosopher4856]

I levelwd all jobs months ago and I'm still bored 😂

[@foxyfoxington2651]

I've been playing since 2.2 and I can say that the answer to that question is a resounding "no". I dropped my sub when I finished with DT and it's not worth paying for a full month of subscription time for 7.1 when I'll be finished with everything I want to do in a day. The value just isn't there and, having played this game for close to 11 years, I know this dev team moves at a glacial pace... So, it's going to be a good 2-3 years before they're able to course-correct. The question to me is, by the time they do, will they have any audience left? Seriously, take a look at the Steam Charts for the game. The trend is grim.

[@deice3]

Doing an DT A-rank hunt train with a single 8-man party is really fun, those bosses have actual mechanics. Unfortunately its a rare treat, since hunts are so popular. I experienced it during the DDoS' because almost the whole train disconnected then slowly people left. But a small team of us troopered on!

[@darrellbruh1335]

you think A ranks have mechanics? lmao

[@ShxpxRok]

the code and server excuses are moot at this point, SE FFXIV has so many subscribers and people buying xpacs and from their store and etx they're a multi billion dollar corporation (4.6 billion as of 2024) with a cash cow game like XIV that is still actively making money for them and they can't provide faster content, or at the very least content that lasts longer it feels like they succeeded and they no longer care about the game. The MSQ shows this they took a hard step down in MSQ quality after a 10 year saga of testing to see what worked and what didn't and in SHB they had it down packed but after they did EW they took the last years to take a break and have not actually put forth much effort since, and yoshi p was expecting for this to happen... it's foolishness you made quality in end walker take that quality and put it in the vacation episode, continue to knock it out of the park and don't make excuses like a loser. Is this the same man that we saw upset over the game being delayed? I had respect for that guy he wanted his player base to have a good experience that was a man that was hungry! this Yoshi P we see now that is fine with the story being mediocre is a well fed man and I don't see the same fire. Tbh if I did not run an FC or own a house I would have put 14 down directly after EW MSQ it was a good point to leave the game.

[@Hitsugix]

in addition to that there are also the small things that are being criticized (and rightly so!) by people for years now and are still not changed or massively lacking, like no or barely any helmets for viera and hrothgar, a very small variety of haircuts for viera and hrothgar (i'm not even playing viera nor hrothgar; it's still ridiculous), the whole glamour dresser disaster and the housing problem. yeah, i know... blabla.. spaghetti code.. blabla. it's an old and very weak excuse and every time it's getting lamer and lamer. the credibility is just gone.

[@patrickarraes4422]

Am a free trial player and am having a blast. I dont see why I should pay the sub.

[@Nman222223]

if you are a current player you reach a point where you feel like you have nothing to gain, I took 3 months off after I did the inital offering of DT and did my BIS and fun but then it was back to old content. I recently got back in with a few ffriends and we are now tackling the VC dungeons and doing other misc stuff. maybe I do that restoration grind after, yes that is how much content I have completed

[@andreluizxd2873]

I blame this community, they don't do PvE, PvP, not a single drop of competition! That's why we don't have nothing, this community only cares about rainbow umbrellas.

[@hawgacrux]

I sadly have to agree at this point. The devs were allowed for too long to get away with lackluster work. Half finished races, simplification of everything, longer wait times between patches with shorter content than ever. I can't even fault the devs tbh because they have players in the comments of these very videos about this issue and on social media who DEFEND content lulls so they can play other games so why should they bother pushing out more than "just good enough" content? It's just sad what this game has become. Back in HW times you were a "white knight" when you defended the game from the competition. Nowadays if you even dare to say you want more content you get: "Oh my god, just unsubscribe. This game is not made for no lifers who play 12h a day." but what they mean is "I don't want to play more then 1h a week but i don't like that others can get things in the game while I don't play." After 10 years I give up and have to say. The game and part of the community get what they deserve from each other.

[@clintonwilcox4690]

PvP content in FFXIV is garbage. The only mode I can actually somewhat enjoy is Rival Wings, and no one plays that unless there's a Moogle tomestone event.

[@andreluizxd2873]

@@clintonwilcox4690 nowadays the PvP is on a great spot, CC is really fun, but this community became too casual.

[@clintonwilcox4690]

@@andreluizxd2873 CC isn't fun, at least not to me. CC is just usually one team being so overpowered that they steamroll the other team. The games where there's an actual back and forth going on are few and far between. And even then, there's really no skill involved in PvP. You don't have to aim your weapon to hit other people, you just point and click. And when people gang up on you (which is a necessity in Frontline), there's nothing you can do to escape, and there are even cheater moves (such as a combination of jobs where they can pull a large group of people in and then instantly kill them). There's just no fun in PvP modes.

[@booblaa9734]

Look at older content like normal raids dungeons and 24 man. They used to have real mechanics that wiped parties. But now we need all content to be accessibke by everyone so anytjing casual is telegraphed aoe puddle into raidwide that does 0 dmg. The content has been so dumbed down to be inclusive you can literally close your eyes and run through it. I play tank and whenever new content comes out i kake it a point to stand in every aoe showing they do nothing. It take 6 stacks of vuln before you take any damage. Its a joke. This isnt mmo content its brainrot.

[@Redcritxx]

the content cadence would be fine if this game didnt have a sub but player pay monthly and i think its pretty bad to have so little content for you paying customers on launch and the argument for going back to do older content is stupid alot of older players already did it back then your most loyal customers that have been playing for years what about them? even as a raider i feel like there is not much reason to login other than weekly reclears i feel bad for the casuals who dont raid like once you are finish with the mid msq there is nothing for you to do

[@xierotron]

Savage should be x.02 not .05 then they should do a .05 with criterion and other stuff ie relic. .1 alliance and chaotic and exploration zones .15 more relics. The fact the expansion doesnt get going till.25 is criminal

[@lolthesystem]

I said it before and I'll say it again: All they had to do to make Island Sanctuary relevant was to make it so you could purchase/move your personal plot there (with available size upgrades, of course) and add a marketboard in it. Congratulations, you just made literally everyone who plays in populated servers happy to have their own house and opened up a ton of plots for FCs from people who moved their existing personal plots to the island. You can already visit a friend's Island Sanctuary, so you wouldn't even miss on the social aspect of it.

[@clintonwilcox4690]

Exactly. I really wish they would have allowed Island Sanctuary to be housing content for those for us who a) don't have millions of gil to drop on a house, and b) don't want to endlessly grind away to try and get that much gil (I'm not even sure how someone amasses that much gil in the first place). If they would have made it housing content, put a marketboard on it, add the ability to summon your retainers, etc., it would have been much more valuable as content, in my opinion. Instead, the devs made it just something to kill some time in every day until you accomplish everything there is to do.

[@lolthesystem]

@@clintonwilcox4690 The problem isn't even amassing that much gil, if you farm EXs and stuff like Bozja you can sell a lot of pretty expensive items. You can also craft items the raiders use to make money consistently (food, pots, etc...). The real problem is the lottery, especially in crowded servers. Good luck getting a plot when there's 100+ people all gunning for that same plot. Making it so you could buy the plot in the Island Sanctuary instead (or move your current one over there) and upgrade it to make it bigger over time would solve that problem outright.

[@Jeffsharp937]

I have been playing FF for about 6 months and I am an ex-wow player and let me say that WoW's content is just as predictable as FF... just as redone as FF and can be/feel just as same ole same ole FF... but FF does ole content WAY better than WoW. Do not let all the flashy things blizzard puts in your face for that sub money trick you because it is all watered down and released in a bug mess just like the 20th anniversary patch was.... trust. with that being said Tho FF does need more newer content on a little faster pace because if I wasn't new and going back and getting relics and unlocking things I would be bored if I was a player that has been around for years. Overall I'm loving Dawntrail and really looking forward to seeing what comes next!!!

[@JoeNeutrino]

I lost interest so quickly after finishing the Dawntrail MSQ. I guess the story matters more to me than I realized. Dawntrail just didn't get me invested in the world and the events therein.

[@GottiEss]

it sucks that new jobs come at level 80, by then since the game was simplified awhile back you pretty much get a complete job, the devs have over time made content but the content is so easy to complete since they dont want people to "grind" at all that it doesnt feel fulfilling in the end. the last relics were a shining example of that, they were pretty much tome weapons. if people have to pay a sub then they should have content coming out pretty much monthly, there are normal buy once games that crank out more to do than ff14 at this point. whatever happened to hard mode dungeons? sure they were just remixes but even that would help shut people up. go back and count the amount of dungeons in arr and heavensward compared to newer expacs...its wild how much the game has actually scaled back compared to how famous its gotten.

[@Awarw8704]

I think that when the suggestion of doing "evergreen" content, doing "everything" in the game, or "take a break" comes up you know that the game's in trouble, especially for a sub based MMO. 99% of that stuff is mind numbingly boring, unrewarding and pointless for most players. No one cares about the "Collect 50,000 McGuffins for an umbrella", "do boring 8 year old thing for 800 hours to get a title", etc. There is not enough combat content or decent rewards/incentive to do 90% of what's in the game. It's very one and done. I love the game but there are single player games I own that deliver more content at a better pace than 14 does now, most of my friends have quit and PF is dead so I can't even get groups now lol.

[@AzuriteTV]

I completely agree! Maybe I didn't deliver "you pay for old content too" well enough because it's a fact but also I agree that there simply isn't enough evergreen combat content, and not everyone wants to do achievement hunting doing the most menial tasks like Leve quests and such.

[@NotTheWheel]

Make no mistake. We got a lot of good stuff coming. But it ain't in 7.1 lol

[@mlemlemmlemmlem]

not anymore lol

[@nothisispatrick5691]

"Paying for old content" i already did that shit lol

[@AzuriteTV]

Then the point doesn't apply to you, I'm simply stating a fact and if you've done all that "shit" then you are well within you're right to want more

[@Faylee]

I am gonna be honest. I would much prefer them stagger out the content and not drop a nuke once ever 3.5 months

[@Theutubedudeyo]

Calling the content we get every 3.5 months a "nuke" is quite the exaggeration.

[@darrellbruh1335]

There's absolutley 0 content in the game right now, 7.1 doesn't really look much better either.

[@LuminateTheWorld]

I dont know why people are complaining at all. Just dont bother playing this obvious content less game. I mean, the game can't be worth anything. All i ever see is people complaining about the game. Why would anyone want to bother? But they are right, yea? Theres just nothing of value in 14 at all. Just move on and save yourself the trouble. Thats what im getting from reading comments and watching vids like these

[@miandyeon]

I don't need anything else, just solve Ddos.

[@Cassandra_Solidor]

So the funny thing about their four month patch cycle. They've never hit it once since announcing that way back in EW. Every single patch has been over four months. 7.1 will actually end up being five months. That's why patches feel so much longer then just a two week delay. They are

[@neobahumuth6]

that's because they also said they required extra 2 weeks during holydays and summer

[@Cascada200]

I feel that FFXIV has lost its spark. I lost interest since the end of Endwalker sadly. And I have completed most content including all Ultimates released

[@maerto]

I unsubbed as rerunning same normal content got boring and i cleared the extremes (playing savage burns me out and i dont like grinding for mounts).

[@mizuhashitsunoka]

As a year old player who really wanted to get into raiding, i have almost given up on it now. And it's coz of the homework culture around the raid content. All i wanted was learn my part properly and be done with it. And not be cause of a raid wipe. That definitely did not happen. I have a 9 hours job developer job and the last thing i wanna do during my free time is watch 20 mins raid guide, only to find that what i watched is actually different from what others in my pre made group did. Maybe if i was a younger or had more time, i would care but not anymore. The source that pays for this subscription is mentally draining and I dont wanna rope myself into something that involves being mindful of others constantly and keep up with all sorts of raid guides and techniques. I thought maybe this game was different but nope, the raid content is just like what I left Lost Ark for, only a bit tamer. Yes the community is nice but seeing late joiners being immediately dubbed as bad players without even giving them a proper intro into hard core raiding through other means is just so bad. I kinda wish savage content also clicked in roulette. Then at least there would be a bit more motivation to go further. I just dont wanna watch guides more than necessary or worry about strat to follow.

[@Zantetsudex]

Dawntrail got so bad it had me playing WoW again, and honestly it felt like being given a pitcher of cold, crisp water after I have been parched in a desert for a week. For all its faults, and there are many, WoW actually has a lot of shit to do for many facets of gameplay and it's regularly cycling events to keep things fresh throughout even without the evergreen content.

[@ragerblade82]

Not right now it is not. I can't enjoy it. They have been the closest to being the top, and they played it too safe. They need to move the bar, but I doubt they can due to lack of man power, and skilled people. They really need to get creative with this game. Story can only carry a mmo so far.

[@DeadEye935]

People are mostly just feeling the effects of EW's content being lacking. There's not much to go back and work on, unlike the start of EW. You could go back and work on Bozja, relics, etc. There really isn't much now worth going out of your way for or even has an active community around it. Good luck trying to get folks to do criterion, or have fun doing variants by yourself I guess. Once we get the content that EW lacked, people will be just fine. Honestly though, doing a 40 hour rpg story with tough post game bosses and then whining that there's nothing to do only three months later is legitimately insane to me. What I don't want is the devs to try to appeal to gacha crack addicts with constant events and grinds. My interest in the game would plummet, and those people they're trying to appeal to are terminally unhappy anyways, so everyone would lose.

[@VashimuXIV]

I won’t disagree things have gotten stale and that the team have played too safe a good deal of the time with the content patches being predictable, but I think it also comes down to how much you value your time and what you look for in games. I find it hard to say your money is being wasted when you have invested hundreds of hours in a game over your time playing it, but I know that’s more short term thinking. I am heavily looking forward to 7.1 for its new editions and the future of Dawntrail with its story patches, dungeons, and future raid tiers, but I have little over 1k hours in XIV with there still being a bevy of content I haven’t done actively from old raids to fishing. It’s easier said than done to tell people to go out and be adventurous, you want to provide incentives that’s more than self satisfaction, and I don’t have immediate answers for that. And I’m not saying it’s bad to want to ask for better, more consistent content, and some people feel disappointed with Dawntrail in its current state. Though, even if every concern was properly addressed every concern every player had, it wouldn’t make everyone happy because people always want different things. Again, I’m not trying to be a white knight for the dev team, or say that people who are complaining are just whining, I still feel optimistic for the remainder of Dawntrail, and I want to spread my wings more and actively engage more in the content I haven’t done, and try out the content of the new patches when they’re ready. XIV has always respected my time and it’d leave a bad taste in my mouth to say it needs to rush out its content faster.

[@Mythix]

the hit mmorpg will always have my sub ! (im behind and need to catch up)

[@atelierbagur3831]

No. Go play World of Warcraft I'm actually not joking here. You can LITERALLY PLAY 4 seperate versions of the game all with differing communities and content for a single sub and currently the team has been producing more frequent patches than FFXIV. Its actually that sad

[@MrXAznDude]

that game looks like ass visually. that's personally a deal breaker for me.

[@atelierbagur3831]

@@MrXAznDude This game doesnt fair much better honestly. I love FFXIV but I much prefer the more vibrant and colorful artstyle, plus the worlds are bigger and there's lack of loading screens and better combat too

[@rare8567]

@@MrXAznDude same reason for me, just doesnt appeal. Also i know there is classic and retail but what are the other 2 versions it has? not trying to hate just curious. x

[@wackantheduck6883]

No thank you. FFXIV might be shit currently, but it's not the hot-sauce fueled liquid diarrhea that wow is. Just because one is bad doesn't mean the other one is good

[@aconb2120]

@@rare8567season of discovery and hardcore

[@silverman824]

No