Is Figma Dead? - Penpot, the Open Source Figma Alternative

[@threecube3336]

Now would be the time for Penpot to add the functionality to import Figma artboards so it's easy for people to move over to Penpot.

[@AstonJay]

@@stairjoke it's not that difficult to find out how it works. It's a programming language like any other. Find how it was written and compiled, and you have yourself a chance at cracking the thing wide open. It's only a matter of time

[@IStMl]

Tons of products allow Figma import. There's an API.

[@ArifBasri]

I dont need to have the import function ready to convince me to migrate everything to pen pot.

[@sebastiangudino9377]

​@@stairjoke Figma has an API that allows you to examine Figma projects, that's all you need for something like this really

[@IStMl]

@@stairjoke yeah and what prevents you from using your existing account ?

[@adams.george]

Just learned that Penpot is already working on implementing Auto Layout ('Layout' in Penpot). I might be switching right away once it's done. Let's make Penpot the Blender of UX/UI Designing Tools!!

[@OsonduTochukwutBoy44wiz]

I fully support you in this. Since Figma is fading into the hands of Adobe, it's right time PenPot Devs start warming and leveling up to make Penpot peoples loved choice.

[@gozearbus1584]

Hopefully they do it better

[@adams.george]

@@OsonduTochukwutBoy44wiz 100% Agree 💯

[@adams.george]

@@gozearbus1584 Yeah I hope so. Guess it's time do my part to contribute to the Penpot community to help build the tool.

[@ufufu001]

this is such unfortunate news. i don't think i have ever been this upset by an acquisition. i love figma

[@guitar602991]

How is Adobe alllowed to be such a monopoly? Next the prices will be doubled within the next few years.

[@isodoubIet]

Figma balls hahahhahahha

[@jerbear7952]

​@@guitar602991what incentive do any attorneys general have to bring a case against them

[@Denvercoder]

Adobe seems so scammy. You sign up you have to agree to a contract and then when you try and cancel they're like, "Wait, if you stay we'll give you the next three months free." "No thanks", "Okay, what about if we give you 6 months free."

[@knee-private]

Yeah - In addition to that, a lot of their products charge a subscription cancellation fee 🤯

[@Harmxn]

So what if I pirate their software and get 9999months free

[@parlor3115]

@@Harmxn Figma balls

[@Denvercoder]

@@Harmxn No, don't do that... 😉 Piracy is wrong... 😉 Not to mention illegal... 😉

[@DrDoctopus]

Nah piracy is completely legal against something like Adobe

[@doseofted]

I switched to Penpot from XD and I'm surprised at how stable it is and how many features they've already added. I've not used Figma but it is a very nice XD alternative (and catching up fast)

[@aaromnido]

Hi Scott, I'm going to tell you something funny and painful at the same time. I closed my account in a bank here in Spain because I started to feel they did some unfair things. After a couple of years as a client in another bank, it was acquired by the first one. Then, I moved my account to another bank. One year later, the same story, this bank was acquired for the first one. With Adobe, it happens exactly the same. I'd been for years running away from them, and always, always, they became buying my preferred tools and destroying them. Flash, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, and now Figma.

[@bosnianlain]

Ofc this happens, but its a different story when it involves open source projects, i dont really know how open penpot actually is, but in general, open source projects cannot "die", because everyone can replicate them (in a totally legal way), because the code is open to look and replicate, thats why you will never have to worry about microsoft buying linux for example.

[@EVL624]

@@bosnianlain It is MPL2, so no risk of it suddenly being made proprietary.

[@abrownecreative]

Adobe sucks! Full disclosure; I grew up with Adobe software, they did amazing things, right up until they forced my hand by demanding that I rent their software for a monthly subscription. I turned my back on them when I started freelancing and vowed never to subscribe to their dark arts. Now that they have acquired Figma, I fear that the best features of Figma will be locked behind an extortionate monthly subscription. A dark day for design. 😢 I'm going to try Penpot tonight!

[@firewoodloki]

Auto layout for $20 at least.

[@Dante-fk4yi]

@@firewoodloki new fonts 40$

[@misanthropicmusings4596]

Yeah, even renting their software is ridiculously expensive -- compare to say Microsoft Office. I know it's a different space, but I think it's an apt comparison.

[@SeeThroughist]

If enough people had signed up to pay for Figma licenses they wouldn't have had to sell their product to Adobe... Honestly as a professional if someone can't afford to pay $12 per month for a tool that will help them make thousands per month then they might want to think about a different profession. Many other professions have way more expensive monthly overheads. For example an average Uber driver spends about $200 on fuel per month... Considering that, $50 per month for a Creative Cloud licence isn't actually that bad.

[@hrgdavor]

@@SeeThroughist the price was not, oh no we are bankrupt sale. It is a userbase grab by adobe. With decades asshole moves by adobe, I also am in the camp of avoiding Adobe, but everyone can make their own choice, I just like to voice my disgust with Adobe where possible.

[@heyAustinGil]

Wow. Thanks for the shout out Scott. That was unexpected :D

[@eckrin]

I use framer over figma, but this looks promising. 👌

[@dariogeorge8680]

If penpot has auto layout and components, I'm in.

[@Penpot]

We’ll have so soon!

[@Sta-dx6bm]

I was thinking the same thing

[@boredguy1663]

Me too, If they add it then i am in. I also want to see plugins inside Penpot.

[@videos6505]

@@Penpot You have a release and feature log?

[@MaksymMinenko]

Adobe just had no choice - Figma had been pushing their products out of the market.

[@fmaiabatista]

Just came across this video - 11mo later... I'm curious how this aged?

[@JessieTraslavina]

Just imagine how much Adobe must of hated figma. That makes me roll over laughing

[@OsonduTochukwutBoy44wiz]

I fully support in lovers of Figma switching over to Penpot. Since Figma is fading into the hands of Adobe, it's right time PenPot Devs start warming and leveling up to make Penpot peoples loved choice. The next target is moving this App from Alpha version to a Stable version. I'm really loving this App (Penpot)

[@YinkaKaris]

That's a selfish and myopic outlook. If you started a company like Figma and Adobe called to acquire for $20B..would you say No?

[@xthetic.studios]

@@YinkaKaris sure business would have to continue operating as businesses but the difference is being ethical.

[@aadlr]

I just signed up and started working with Penpot. I'm genuinely impressed. It feels very Figma-like 👍👍👍

[@AstonJay]

I'm definitely moving to PenPot too. Going to give it a try. Perhaps even contribute to some of the development as well. I became a CS student for exactly this reason... to know how to make the programs that are costing me an arm and a leg just to have access to them... If I ever make something as good as Figma / Photoshop, etc. I would definitely make it free for individuals for life, but any company is going to have to pay up. Because I know how companies mistreat open source devs as well as their software. But individuals who have a passion for design are left with having to pay insane amounts to express their passion in a digital form

[@mrmalio]

this is the best comment so far. someone who will add to the development instead of complain

[@mikefahy8263]

I've been using PenPot (self-hosted) for a while now, and truly enjoy using it. But even I have been doing the bulk of my design work with Figma simply because "everyone else is using it." I'm looking forward to Penpot's gaining popularity, though, as I do believe the more people make the switch, the better it will be. Its biggest hurdle in gaining acceptance will be in the migration of existing projects from closed-format Figma to open-format PenPot files, though. Looking forward to seeing what a larger community can do for it!

[@tamis5908]

This looks GREAT! Like many here, I switched away from Adobe products. I now use Affinity Designer, Affinity Photo, and Affinity Publisher. I've never looked back, either. Each of them are only currently $56 USD and they upgrade for free. Also run half price sales frequently. Much more intuitive interface as well as much better functionality. I bought Macromedia Fireworks, Dreamweaver, and Flash before Adobe acquired them, too. Still going strong!! Time for Adobe to realize that even the "mighty" can be brought down. Anyone remember when WordPerfect was king???

[@JonatasAm]

Hey, another one substitute may worth to take a look is Lunacy. Interface quite closer to Figma, and some more features than Pinpot Still didn't decide which one is better

[@nonnnth]

There’s also Lunacy which is also free and runs on Windows, Mac, and Linux.

[@florianjardin3064]

so far that app is sick and seems a bit more ' the future of quick n easy design ' - will see if it is better than penpot

[@benfrese3573]

Nice, I have a current project in Figma I have to finish. For the next one I'll give this a try. Thanks, Scott!

[@boxoffisa]

I don’t know why Adobe is so much money angry. They are run it like mafias. I am from a developing country and you know sometimes you barely make money, paying for these services is pain. Figma had give me freedom and love. I hope penpot will help.

[@StarcoreLabs]

Thank you for covering this! Penpot looks great. After you get familiar with it please make a tutorial.

[@LV4EVR]

Affinity and Figma *have been* my Adobe alts. Hello Penpot, let's you and I do the UI dance now.

[@imcorfitz]

Would love to hear your opinion about Penpot after some extended use.

[@covle9180]

"I'm not in the business of giving Adobe any money" My man 💪 what a god awful company is that.

[@kissu_io]

Alright, gonna go all in on Affinity Designer from today!

[@blackchristiangeek]

Ironically enough, I never heard of Figma until it was mentioned in a blog post introducing Penpot 🙂thanks for a little more insight. God bless,

[@the-deagledude]

No offence but you lived under a rock the last 10 years ... Figma was THE go to tool for every UX designer/graphic designer the last 1 years ... Always came on top on graphic design tools lists the last years.

[@misanthropicmusings4596]

I remember when Adobe bought Soundforge, an audio editing application that was in many ways superior to Audacity. Before Adobe acquired them, I had purchased it because it was so good I thought it was worth it to have the full version. At the time I paid about 50 as I recall. After Adobe acquired it they exploded the price to about 300 (going off my recall, I think that's about right -- just know it was ridiculously expensive) dollars. That's when my hate boner for Adobe started. I welcome Penpot to the opensource community!

[@martefact]

..."hate boner".... omg lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 🤣😂

[@stylrart]

Penpot Tutorial? Count me in!

[@keenoogodlike]

I just start learning Figma recently and avoid Adobe for so long because Adobe monthly subscription cost in my country in extremely expensive. I'm afraid I have to say goodbye to Figma.

[@taylorpage8648]

Holy cow man haha you are so talented - already pumping a video out for this #legend Super sad about this news too. Thanks for the recommendation! Signing up

[@peterbreis5407]

Penpot appears to be On-line only. I like to work off line. What about Vectormator?

[@gashumba888]

Thank you for this intro on Penpot! I will also be moving away from Figma considering what Adobe did with Fireworks after its acquisition in 2005. Fireworks was a big threat to Adobe's Photoshop, Illustrator and Dreamweaver products combined and Adobe promised not to kill it but ultimately did so just a few short years later. They even stopped development of the product just within the first 2 years.

[@poppingjaz]

Dreamweaver was made by the same company that made Fireworks (Macromedia) until Adobe acquired them. They let Fireworks die and kept Dreamweaver

[@gashumba888]

​@@poppingjaz I stand corrected but my comment still stands. Fireworks was a lot more popular amongst web devs and independent web designers than Adobe's own tools. Many who used open-source coding tools preferred Fireworks.

[@dan_goul]

is there going to be a way to copy and paste images from say pexels and paste it directly into the artboard? That was one of my favourite aspects of figma.

[@logangrzesiek8749]

Potential upside as an AEM dev is a future headless + react + figma implementation, but even then - lukewarm at best on today's news. Just love Figma so much, but thanks for the alternative!

[@MyDigitalHub]

Figma integration of import/export would make it a no-brainer to switch since a lot of my works are mostly on Figma

[@tomich20]

Noww...how can we get rid of google? they started charging for google Photos, and also charged for Gmail with your Domain... how long until they start charging for regular Gmail?

[@syntaxfm]

I use Synology photos personally. It’s not nearly as good though.

[@tomich20]

@@syntaxfm great, but i was looking for a place in the cloud to store all my stuff for free and automatically from my phone. Dont mind if they target me with Adds by analyzing my stuff, just want easy to use illimited photo and video storage 😬😬

[@scept3r.studios]

As a person/student living with parents and having 0 money for paying for stuff on the internet, I hope this open-sourced tool will help. I’ve been making school posters and learning materials on Figma and boy, I hated when big greedy corporations decide to buy them and make them unavailable for everyone. Ugh, it’s annoying, despite many reasons for the acquisition.

[@MaxPanic]

Why not Sketch? I'm in no way implying that Penpot isn't worthy, just wondering your thoughts on Sketch.

[@blessdarah1256]

Totally Loved it!!! Created an account ASAP!! I share exactly the same feeling you have with Adobe and with this acquisition. I wanted to look for an alternative and this video came in just in time.

[@Asrashas]

There's another FOSS design tool, similar to this. Quant-UX

[@Culturelens]

Penpot should make Figma plugins compatible with Penpot

[@SomexDeArchvist]

i will love to see more tutorials on penpot

[@camloken]

I think they have auto layout and variants/states on their road map.

[@dmitryklimov9706]

A killing alternative to Figma with its Hello square

[@muafaa]

anyone here tried both Penpot and Lunacy, and finally choose Penpot? because i tried and found lunacy give me better UI and tools, but Penpot is opensource wich i hope this app will continue dveleoped and be better in the recent future

[@llothar68]

Sad is that there are no community people anymore who can come up with any free open source complex desktop application.

[@cement006]

so only sketch vs adobe???

[@abonile1]

but it is not giving a way to convert the design into HTML CSS like figma

[@theyruinedyoutubeagain]

Thank you for your service of not giving Adobe any money 😄 great video

[@adriano_silva_]

Thanks for indication.

[@yegorzakharov8514]

First Heroku, then the Queen, now Figma. For fuck sake. What a couple weeks.

[@behruz_developer]

Holly sh... . You already made a video about a blog that I just read out just now.

[@Kanexxable]

I looked into the app it seems like the people who made it put some thought into it. They give you a tutorial section that is easy to access. I need auto layout and components and even padding sight. Figma was becoming soooo good! How sad. Guess I'll have to wait a few months to make the switch.

[@firewoodloki]

If Figma could make it, they could make it. Give it time. At least an open source program will never be taken away again. I am sure most community contributors are switching over. They hate Adobe harvesting their community assets. Things will last longer in the Open Source world.

[@videos6505]

Had a look on penpot a week ago (before figma) and found it cool but saw, that they won prices 3 years ago already. Seemed not to be fast progress - without components an design libraries it makes no sense to switch (from Sketch). But I will keep an eye on it.

[@mansweepquo]

Hi can you donwload Penpot?

[@JessieTraslavina]

I am tired of being ripped off Adobe too. Gave them probably 10 G-babies

[@Mexad0n]

I would like to see it `plasmic app` will do some integration for Penpot. I need to find more about this news as I have moved from Adobe a few years ago to Affinity. I have used Figma time to time to collaborate with designers and figure out if I will be able to use several templates I have bought in past for Branding docs or if my money went out of chimney. Hmm....

[@GoBayside]

Adobe's acqusition of Mixamo is going great. I mean it went 'beta' for years, didn't work right with windows 10, and generally never got updated. Other than that, great.

[@AstonJay]

Adobe couldn't handle the fact that Figma stole Ai's thunder and that it is in many ways better than Ai without the insane costs attached to Adobe's CC... Now they bought it only to destroy it and make their Ai program #1 again...

[@florianjardin3064]

I use(d) Figma almost daily for the past years - same reaction like you XD - the only real features I miss in Penpot are the quick (&dirty) image editing magic moves I got addicted to in figma, as they are so efficient for the daily grind. PS only for final production, but now I hope Penpot catching up soon

[@aka_slendy]

my mom is a CPA. she got a company provided new laptop and with it came windows 11 & the newest adobe & Microsoft suites. she uses Adobe Acrobat all day everyday. somehow they broke it. completely. no one is happy. i googled it for her and everyone hates it.

[@darteq]

Lunacy is also another interesting free alternative to Figma

[@tamis5908]

Agreed -- nice thing is you don't need to be connected online to use it on your local machine. It's been my go to app.

[@sleepykew]

But can we port penpot to svelteKit 🤔 Only kinda joking

[@thedelanyo]

Yeah, penkit, penvelte. Pick one

[@Aprch]

I'm seriously thinking it through. At least maybe the UI part. It's all written in clojure/clojurescript (compiles to js). I'd imagine it'd get a ton more of hands on deck if it were based on a more common ui framework.

[@juancamiloq1]

I'll give it a try. Thx

[@mrajax_0101]

what about pixso over penpot?

[@Denvercoder]

I was paying attention to the news on Twitter... your Twitter. :D

[@samuelkung7736]

Back to sketch!! :)

[@Vetrivel.Shanmugam]

Oh man. You are right. Adobe will mascarade figma. Figma is competition for xd.

[@benfrese3573]

Nah, they will prolly massacre XD.

[@Vetrivel.Shanmugam]

@@benfrese3573 figma adobe deal went on a tossed

[@gdj777]

Yes. Adobe killed it. Moving on.

[@mr.president9108]

Pixso is like twin brother of Figma

[@badcatdesign]

"Now all restaurants are Taco Bell.” -Lenina Huxley

[@syntaxfm]

This was a Pizza Hut Now it's all covered with daisies

[@rafalpotasz]

For fucks sake. I've been avoiding Adobe like a champ for so long. And using Figma DAILY. Thanks for the news. I guess :( I hope that in 2025 you won't make a video titled "Penpot bought by Adobe".

[@deidyomega]

even if they did buy penpot, it wont matter as its open source, and someone will just fork it and keep it out of adobe's hands.

[@PiseyHean]

I was obsessed by Adobe, run away from it. now they still find the way to appear in my life again T_T

[@r-i-ch]

Cool. Thanks Scott!

[@dand4485]

This is too bad, sorry to hear Figma has been consumed by the dark side... :( Kind of sucks i have a tool that would allow you to draw my pages in Figma and then convert it onto React, and then Svelte... Would be interested if there is an export model like Figma has.

[@FloWoelki]

Open Source is the future 🙌

[@TerenceKearns]

not long after PenPot matures to v 2.0, adobe shits the bed LOL. Love it.

[@lambisstratoudakis]

Why not sketch Scott?

[@reaperburnout5694]

sketch mac os only

[@jesper.ordrup]

Have the same feeling about this as when Trello was consumed by atlassian.

[@ctw-home]

it is developed in Cloujure... how I am supposed to contribute! I want it to be developed with JS

[@indofiz1077]

Lets us join the penpot comunity

[@choicesii1]

Open source alternative: inkscape->pureref, and back it up with git.

[@stephencarroll312]

figma is great , def not dead.. they just made ui messy and complicated lately .. but they arent going any where .. still the leader forever .. its not dead cmon

[@florianjardin3064]

lol

[@marcelo55869]

Figma... ... ... ... how come I cant turn this into a 'deez nuts' joke?

[@annalee8781]

Please, do same review about Lunacy 🙏🙏

[@InteractiveDNA]

Adobe has a history of buying products and destroying them!

[@44galore]

Let's see if Adobe get that deal because they are trying to buy a direct competitor ( in fact the main competitor ) they are likely to face problems with regulations. The deal is not settled yet!

[@syntaxfm]

I wouldn’t count on anti trust laws doing anything here given how many other seemingly monopolies have been allowed to form via buying competitors.

[@44galore]

@@syntaxfm unfortunately very true 😞

[@douglascounts4634]

LOL, Anti-Trust in America is dead. Politicians only use it now to lean on companies for campaign contributions. Has Anti-Trust protected us from Google, Facebook, or Twitter overreaches? America is now an oligarchy with a façade of democracy hiding that fact. Bill Gates and China are even buying up all the US farmland. What is Anti-Trust doing about that? That is even a more concerning issue when you let an adversary buy up large swaths of farmland needed to feed your own people, but politicians love the campaign money it brings in. And with "dark money" legal now, China or Russia can donate to US politician's campaigns.

[@jabulaniharvey]

we are being manipulated by all software providers

[@JarrodKane]

Goodbye Figma 😢

[@sweatypotato248]

Oh, lord frick adobe, now no figma anymore

[@xetra1155]

is being open source a definite garanty of nether being acquired by adobe?

[@JahidulIslam]

If Adobe acquired this tool and make it proprietary, we still can have the code up to date point. Someone/another team can fork it and starts developing on it. OpenOffice had faced similar situation. It didn't go closed source but development was slow and there was problem with other things. Some of the developers forked it and made Libre office.

[@Mind6]

Nice find!!! 🤩

[@bruhmoment3731]

Adobe did not ruin Figma. Figma ruined itself with the new UI update. How the most popular design tool's UX keeps getting worse is beyond me.

[@cis84muz]

Agree. Adobe is evil, but on the other hand I use it so many years. I don't image to operate without Photoshop, Illustrator or Lightroom. Probably there are alternatives, but it is not easy to switch ;(

[@JohnSane]

You can do it!

[@alishacrawford8317]

Yep I've been using Affinity Photo, Designer and Publisher now will look at Penpot & Lunacy. All this learning new software has gotten me out of my Adobe rut now if Icould only find a good replacement for Adobe After FX then I would be completely free of my Adobe addiction. Man it takes time to wean :-)

[@ElPetrenko]

It actually is. Try is.

[@alishacrawford8317]

@@ElPetrenkoI'm looking for an Adobe After Effects replacement software know any?

[@xicor9469]

All PenPot needs is auto layout and I'm good to go.

[@asimgiri4269]

I have to try this. Never gonna use Adobe shit

[@pipeliner8969]

Try Akira

[@tasneem_qureshi]

is the deal confirmed? like confirm confirmed?

[@JulianColeman03]

Figma really gets got for $20Bn and people on the internet think it's dEaD.