Is Free Grace Hyper Grace?

[@BibleLine]

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[@evanwildermann7034]

Is it more fair to use the Greek word for believe confidence is one of it's similies I'm questioning whether confidence is a better word than believe as it's hard to be confident in more than 1 thing it's a stronger simile your thoughts?

[@savedbymylovegodthelordjes8394]

Apostle Paul talks about faith working through love Galatians 5, and Apostle James talks about true living faith that produces good works James 2, we are saved by grace through faith the problem with many Christians is that they believe in an idol faith which is dead faith, Hebrews 11 talks about true people of faith all of them with no exception proved they have real faith by obeying GOD and no one can boast about the good works he or she do because obedience is required by GOD, obedience is not something optional we are not doing GOD a favor when we obey HIM nor we can by our salvation with our good works, a good example for this would be apostle paul 1 Corinthians 9:16 For if I preach the gospel, that gives me no ground for boasting. For necessity is laid upon me. Woe to me if I do not preach the gospel! 17 For if I do this of my own will, I have a reward, but if not of my own will, I am still entrusted with a stewardship. see obedience is a must in the life of a believer because as Christians we have a law that we must obey we must love GOD with all our might and hearts and how do we do that we do it when we obey his commands John14:15 and we must love our neighbors as we love ourselves and how we do that we help people in their needs read Matthew 25 the parable of goats and sheep

[@albertjmajor1973]

Shared!

[@monsterhuntervideos4446]

Grace by definition is hyper because it's inherently amazing and undeserved.

[@BibleLine]

It is absolutely amazing! - Trent

[@EricSmyth2Christ]

Grace being hyper is axiomatic, but “Hyper Grace theology” is only true if it’s true, and it’s not true

[@claudecharest7018]

@@EricSmyth2Christ Romans 5 ; 20 greek ,hupper perissuo = hyper hyper grace . It isn't axiomatic , It' the Words of God Himself. Retract my friend

[@EricSmyth2Christ]

@@claudecharest7018 “hyper grace theology” is a false theology that uses the word hyper Do not be deceived

[@DynamicGracer]

@@claudecharest7018axiomatic means goes without saying lol

[@DH-sj6kg]

"A person can not have any elements of trust in themselves for salvation." Could not be described any more clear......AMEN

[@Dizerner]

You just damned everyone. No ever has, or even will, perfectly trust in God alone, we all fail in that.

[@DH-sj6kg]

@@Dizerner Thanks for responding. But, when we discover how rotten we are apart from Christ, it's easy not to have any trust in ourselves.

[@Dizerner]

@@DH-sj6kg It's never easy to do the righteous thing, we all fall short every day. I've never had a day in my life I trusted God perfectly, or the way I was supposed to, even though I tried hard. That's the real beauty of grace-you don't have to be a Grace Pharisee that does grace better than everyone else, and yells at them for failing to perfectly trust in grace like they do. Instead, an imperfect faith still saves, a self-righteous faith still saves, the perfection is in the atonement itself, not the trust exercised in it.

[@breewight2521]

The simple gospel! It’s profoundly beautiful!! I’m so thankful to God for raising up sound bible teachers and ministries such as Bible Line. Grace & peace to you brethren 🕊♥️

[@BibleLine]

Thank you so much. God bless you! - Trent

[@RichardM1366]

The bible is as clear as a mountain lake. Jesus alone did it all. When you believe you are Eternally Saved. Repent means a change of mind. Believe and trust in the final work of Jesus. This is hyper biblical!

[@christistruth3112]

amen

[@jarredgoodman9688]

"That's hyper biblical, man. That's hyper clear" exactly, thank you brother. When we mess up on the gospel we mess up everything for our walk....

[@BibleLine]

Absolutely! - Jesse

[@MichaelBrown-ip2kj]

Great video Pastor Martinez! Really appreciate the clarity of the gospel!

[@FlyDog79]

Jesse and Trent I’ve come up with a new word. “Hyper-works”. This can be anyone who believes that you have to do some mysterious number of good works or live some mysteriously holy of enough life to hopefully prove you’re saved or this can apply really to any Lordship Salvationist.

[@spacesciencelab]

3:37 Thank you for posting this, this makes everything clear. Acts 13:38-39

[@NikoFinn]

Amen and amen! All about Jesus, not how we live

[@larrysamuelson2223]

Thank you brother. Excellent 🎯.

[@DonaldRedeemed]

While I do not agree with all you positions, I love your standing firm on salvation by grace alone through faith alone....I do not know of a single church that holds to this truth within 70 miles of me.

[@BibleLine]

Thank you kindly. I am sorry that you cannot find a clear church in your area. Maybe you could start a small Bible study in your home? - Trent

[@Starscream-pn4nx]

Thank you for tackling this subject!

[@meravids6740]

Greetings Pastor Jesse, new subscriber here. Clear and simple anyone can understand thats Gods love anyone can be saved just by believing the Gospel.

[@BibleLine]

Great! Thank you for supporting us. We hope you are blessed and grow in grace through the teaching of the word. - Trent

[@gregorylatta8159]

I am a biblisist. Love it!!!

[@vickyannpaintingwithoils]

I see a lot of angry, arrogant misuses of scripture and deragatory words being spoken to Bibleline in the comments. I pray for those who can't see. Pastor Jesse, and Trent, I just want you to see an encouraging word here. Keep preaching the truth. You are doing a great job. Those with eyes to see and ears to hear stand with you. Most importantly if God is for us who can be against us? God bless you. ❤

[@Hyper-Grace-is-Grace]

Make the gospel so simple to understand that an child can get it. (And you do brother) It really is as simple as Christ died for my sins, He was buried and He rose again 3 days later and I trust in Him the risen Savior.

[@watchmanendtimes]

Amen..I child doesn't understand repentance

[@timclark2925]

One cannot lose their salvation; its a free gift from God. And the Holy Spirit is the deposit guaranteeing our inheritance according to Ephesians 1:13-14. However a Christian can forfeit their rewards and inheritance in the Kingdom of God; but not their salvation; otherwise Christ died for nothing.

[@FlyDog79]

Amen, pastor!

[@johndoe.wutang4life.274]

Excellent message

[@SonnyMHouston]

Loving your channel

[@carlcasey4177]

Beautiful 👍

[@Debsyoudontknowme]

Thank you ❤

[@GregDefendingTheFaith]

GREAT VIDEO! We think alike. I just subscribed :)

[@BibleLine]

Thank you! I hope our other videos are an encouragement as well! - Trent

[@Chelle-kd1po]

Thank you, Pastor Martinez!

[@BibleLine]

Absolutely! We are here to spread the clear gospel and encourage believers!

[@marcgotcalledout4058]

Keep going brother ….Keep going 🙏🏾

[@BibleLine]

Thank you Marc! - Trent

[@mikaelbjerk]

How do you reconcile your position with the letter of James, the letters of John, Jesus words of who enters the Kingdom, and revelation (Jesus letters to the churches). Also what does faith mean. Doesn’t the Bible define it in Hebrews 11? How was the faith desplayed by the people in the OT? «Abraham was obeidient by faith». Gods grace lead us to repentance. Who of the churchfathers taught this type of free grace, that you are promoting. I don’t think it’s so called «biblical».

[@bloodboughtbigphilr8266]

Joseph Prince has been coming out with some good things concerning faith alone in Christ alone and the eternal security of the believer and at the very least, is on the right lines. However, I will take him more seriously once he divests himself of those awful Health and Wealth elements and stops fraternising with outright heretics who have 'another Jesus', 'another spirit' and 'another gospel'. This was a great response Brother to Michael Brown.

[@BibleLine]

Thank you!! - Trent

[@AlTheButcher]

For me personally I think that both pastor Jesse and Jospeh have saved by grace the same. However I do think pastor Prince gets it right with there’s more for the church in what Jesus did on the cross. Ie not that we need to be rich but I refuse to believe It’s holy to be poor and or have just enough for me and myself. I believe that Jesus wants His church to be a blessing to others. Which first you have to have your own situation in good standing in order to bless others or do more. That is what pastor Prince preaches.

[@bloodboughtbigphilr8266]

@AlbertTorres81 Brother Albert, I am grateful for the light the Lord has revealed to Joseph Prince concerning the Gospel of Grace and the Grace of the Gospel and how this has liberated no small number of charismatic and pentecostal believers. I would rather listen to Joseph than any Lordshipper. I cannot accept his prosperity teachings and draw a line there and I wish he would stop lending credibility to heretics who have a different Gospel of salvation to what the Lord has led him into and treating them as brothers and sisters. God promises to provide for all our needs not make us materially prosperous and those he does give the power to get wealth to, it is so they may bless and distribute to others. Our brothers and sisters in many parts of the world languishing in prisons for their faith aren't exactly prospering but what eternal rewards await them. The prospeity message doesn't work and neither does promising healing for every bodily ailment.Don"t get me wrong. God still supernaturally heals today to bring glory to His Name but to say it is His will to heal every sickness all the time for all believers everywhere is not supported in Scripture or borne out in practice. The root of this health and wealth teaching is an unwholesome one from a polluted well and I hope Joseph in time ditches it. Much blessing to you and your household Albert.

[@357trent]

These videos are awesome Jesse keep it up

[@BibleLine]

Thank you so much!

[@Be_An_Esther]

We must humble ourselves an change our minds about living in sin to living for and serving Jesus. That is the way to ensure we don't trust in our own self but rather in God by faith

[@hollygarciaheld]

That is pretty much my definition too, although I sometimes say I am grace-based.

[@terryfonz4603]

I always say when we put Gods Character on a chart everything is off the charts hyper. Gods love is hyper His wrath hyper His size hyper His beauty the universe is hyper. But only when it comes to grace everyone is whoa whoa that one can’t be hyper.

[@terryfonz4603]

In other words God is more than enough in every attribute He is more than we can contain or comprehend! But only grace do they try to say oh no I fully understand that one it is limited according to what we do!

[@krisjustin3884]

So glad to have you here preaching the true Gospel. Good, clear presentation! I got saved with this same message and it shook me emotionally and powerfully like no other so called Gospel message with repentance and works etc.

[@BibleLine]

How wonderful! The clarity of the gospel is so very important, Thank you for the good word of encouragement.

[@KingdomTheologyTV]

Which books would you recommend to best understand the Free Grace message? something genral that everyone would agree on which is thorough enough to give me a clear understanding. im presently reading absolutely free by zane hodges. is that good? is there anything else you would recommend? thanks

[@BibleLine]

Sure thing! Here are a couple of great books. "Simply by Grace" by Charles C. Bing, and "The Declaration of the Gospel" by Ralph Yankee Arnold. These are highly recommended for a clear gospel understanding. We have copies in our bookstore if you desire to have them shipped to you. Thanks! -Trent

[@KingdomTheologyTV]

@@BibleLine i will check in kindle. i live in Indonesia, so too difficult to get physical books. thanks though. i will check kindle. Gbu

[@BibleLine]

Okay!! Let us know. We can provide other recommendations as well as try to help you get physical copies. - Trent

[@thereturn2361]

You should avoid Zane Hodges at all costs. He preaches a perversion of the gospel. The book on Hyper Grace by Michael Brown is an excellent biblical in depth analysis of what is wrong with what many are preaching today about the gospel. If you really want to know what the bible says, and not just some verses that support a certain position, check it out! God bless.

[@freegraceau]

@@thereturn2361 would you like to qualify your use of the H word with some evidence or sources please? I’m interested.

[@InTruthandinSpirit]

The Bible says we are no longer under law and I trust the Bible. It’s not the easiest book in the world understand so much more than just a book 1st John 3:9 says once we are born of God we cannot sin! However not everyone has the same level of faith so we must be considerate of that as taught in Romans 14. The question I have is, am I understanding correctly? Thank you Jesus, that there are still people we can turn to for answers

[@tekone11]

Where is the Baptism into Christ? It's not just saying you BELIEVE and nothing else. Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Acts 8:12-13 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done. Acts 8:37-38 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. John 3:3-7 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: That commandment didn't go anywhere. Jesus gave that commandment. Matthew 28:18-20 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, BAPTIZING them in THE NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have COMMANDED you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. And that NAME (SINGULAR) is JESUS. That's BIBLICAL, it's DOCTRINE and it's a COMMANDMENT and unless you don't believe JESUS, you can't see or enter the KINGDOM OF GOD. Mark 16:15-16 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that BELIEVETH and is BAPTIZED SHALL BE SAVED; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Galatians 3:26-27 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. So, can you explain that omission of the BAPTISM? It's part of the plan of Salvation.

[@YouAreGoingToLoseMe87]

When we believe we are baptized into Christ and reborn and sealed with the Holy Ghost

[@Ech777]

”And he said to all, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will save it. For what does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loses or forfeits himself?“ ‭‭Luke‬ ‭9‬:‭23‬-‭25‬ ‭ESV‬‬

[@tims.449]

Yes he did. But what ever the law says it says to those under the law. To follow Christ in his earthly position as the Jews minister is to follow the Law. You then must follow all the law of be condemned. So Paul says follow me as I follow Christ. Only then can you be saved by the grace that is amazing. Faith alone in the DBR of Christ and shed blood for eternal life and complete forgiveness. I might have that in reverse order. Call me dyslectic

[@claudecharest7018]

Jesus taked up the cross for me ahd my entire life is in His hand . I'm the clay and He is the Potter

[@JLovsChrist]

Pastor Jesse. I saw a KZbin video from a Pastor named "John Bevere" and in it he mentioned that there are some pastors on KZbin who only like to mention Ephesians 2:8-9 but never verse 10 where it talks about "Good Works". I got the feeling that he was trying to say that grace is just part of the salvation process but that you also had to include works too. What are your thoughts?

[@thebibleclinic1917]

You don't come to salvation with your works but by grace through faith. The aftermath of this grace is we produce good works as fruits. My thoughts.

[@christistruth3112]

hyper grave is saying no consequence for sin. there is chastisement but not loss salvation of soul

[@MyRoBeRtBaKeR]

Do you believe Jesus intercedes for your continuance in sin?

[@BP7BlackPearl]

He doesnt want to call it hyper grace, but what he just presented, and I agree completely with what he said, the opponents are calling it hyper grace

[@BibleLine]

We honestly don't like labeling ourselves, but we do adhere to what we would call Free Grace. Hyper grace dives into a loss of standards and it allows for sinful immorality in an antinomian since. We do not believe a believer should just live any way he wants. There will be consequences, but the consequences for the believer (in regards to their sinful choices) will never be hell. - Trent

[@BP7BlackPearl]

@@BibleLine I believe you mean "sense", not "since". Nothing wrong with labels when used properly. It helps with communicating ideas when used honestly. But those who want to impose their morality on others will call free grace "hyper grace" to make it sound bad. I don't think there is anything that can be considered "hyper grace" anyways. I mean, free is free, you cant have hyper free. How more free can something be than "free"?

[@ronjasmin7397]

How about other verses in the bible telling to submit to God like james 4:7. Salvation is thru grace alone . God requires you to have faith for you to be save. But according to james faith without works is dead. So faith should have works to be true. All my good works are attributed to God for it to be counted in His eyes.I was able to do the works because I was saved. I rather have faith with the credentials of being a true faith when I face God than false faith without any evidence being true.

[@BibleLine]

The faith is a true faith, but it’s not a profitable faith. The faith doesn’t cease to exist just because you have no works, but if you don’t have any works, you are of no profit to anyone. Faith saves you from hell, but works save you from living a hypocritical, sorry, and miserable life. - Trent

[@jolibrero]

Love ir!

[@jordanmcpherson3794]

Free grace camp defends a position coined by a guy in the 1980s. Repent does not only mean a change of mind (see Revelations 2:18-29 for Jesus' own words). The Bible says you must repent or perish (Luke 13:5). To bear fruit in keeping with repentance (the faith and keeping His commandments in obedience) are the ones who love Him (John 14:15). No wicked man shall see God or else be "severed/cut off from Christ" (Galatians 5). Ongoing sin proves you "do not know Him" or the "truth" and makes you a "liar" (1 John 1, 2:4, 3:6-9). The truly repentant that have "tasted the heavenly gift" that fall away/apostate/deny the faith cannot possibly be renewed to repentance because it meant nothing to them in the first place and "no longer have a sacrifice for sins" (Hebrews 6, 10:26-29). Even the early church fathers in NO WAY preached this mickey mouse version of the gospel. You know, the disciples of the disciples of Christ? Your gospel is 40 years old, designed to fit an increasingly godless, individualistic culture. It's a forcefield in order to say you love God but take no orders from Him. Surrender to Christ!

[@mattb7069]

Yes, “believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved”, but what does believe mean? What does Faith mean? A well rounded survey of the Bible tells us that belief is believing loyalty/allegiance, and Faith is faithfulness.

[@GiftofGrace88]

You are obviously just adding your own words and meaning to faith. The simplicity of Christ was lost to your comment. 2 Corinthians 11 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

[@mattb7069]

You will have to do better than that. Quoting scriptures that don’t refute my biblical argument doesn’t serve you well. Demonstrate to me through the scriptures that faith and belief doesn’t mean faithfulness and believing loyalty/allegiance to God over and against all others. Apostasy is real in the NT. It is brought about by a rejection of God, often preceded by an unrepentant heart that begins to justify sin and disbelief.

[@BibleLine]

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[@ShaunPanzer]

I don’t know what church if any believe what I do . I believe that Christ being perfect sacrificed himself for our sins and all I need is to believe. The Bible is for us all but not all of the Bible is to us . Paul/Saul was the last to learn from Christ and his messages and lessons are for us today

[@KingdomTheologyTV]

ROM 11:6 is about the Law of Moses, not every condition God has placed on salvation. Paul himself requires a change of mind towards sin, self & God (i.e. repentance) in acts 20:21. Note there are 2 conditions, 2 different things, repentance towards God & faith in Christ. Further, in Acts 17:38-39 he requires repentance from the rebellious sin of idolatry. If we ignore Paul's context when he discusses works, & imagine he is not condemning the Judaizers who require obedience to the law of Moses for salvation, we will falsely imagine that everything a person does is classified as a "work" that is an attempt at earning salvation. If we commit this error we must even reject "believing" in Jesus as a work. Because Jesus defined it as a work in John 6:28-29. So, if we accept the faulty interpretation of ROM 11:6 to mean all things men do as a condition for salvation, then those who teach that a person must "believe" in order to be saved are teaching we must earn our salvation by works. Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. John 6:28-29 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. So, how to fix this error? Simply start with the context of the passages we read, then we will understand that Paul who condemns the works of the law of Moses as a means to being made right with God, also commands all men everywhere that they must turn from a rebellious attitude in their heart (i.e. repent) & trust in Christ. We cannot be reconciled to God while we are fighting against Him in rebellion. & If we end our rebellion, He will not allow us back into His presence except through the blood of Christ. That is to say: Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. Gbu

[@BibleLine]

Repentance is very much a change of mind. That’s all it means as referenced to salvation. The Greek word “metanoia” is literally “after” “think.” John 6:28-29 is not classifying belief as a work because the “work” being done here is the “works of God,” not the works of man. Man then believes in the work (ie the work Jesus did on the cross). Paul distinguishes between faith and works further in Romans 4:5 (keep it in its context, it’s even better) “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifiers the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” Romans 11:6 is very much contextually to the Jews, but he is still distinguishing between all works and all grace. This goes beyond the law. If you add anything other than faith in Christ’s work on the cross to the gospel, then you have added works to the gospel. See also Galatians 2:16, Titus 3;5, Ephesians 2:8, Phil. 3:9. Please keep these in context also. - Trent

[@KingdomTheologyTV]

@@BibleLine Thanks for responding my friend. Gbu

[@Called_Out_Ones]

Let me ask this question: What does practicing something do for you? Practicing is a discipline, an action, you could even say it is worship. Free grace says believe (as a command), lordship says walk (as a command). A husband and a wife join together and produce a child. A good tree produces good fruit. Faith will lead to action. Action is whats recorded in the Bible, not hypotheticals. Abraham believed God, His belief produced action. It's not just repentance. It's every action in response to God's grace and mercy. But you can't separate the immutable God's Holiness from his Law. Athletes practice. Why is Paul so urgently persuading us to be like athletes winning a prize, when we have been given the greatest reward (propitiation)? Because we are not ACTUALLY like Christ in our inner being to the fullest capacity yet. The thief on the cross didn't have the privilege we have. Don't wait till glorification. Practice of righteousness is a gift from God.

[@BibleLine]

God isn’t happy with simply “practicing righteousness.” He requires perfect righteousness from the individual for salvation. This can only be obtained by faith in the perfect One. - Trent

[@Called_Out_Ones]

@BibleLine I understand your point. We please God, only through His Son. His Son obeyed every dot of the Law perfectly, and His blood declares us Holy. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. “For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. - Matthew 5:19-20. Jesus still warns us not to relax the Law. He encourages us to be wise. We were declared Holy, but that's not the same as being actually Holy. This is progressive sanctification. We are being molded and shaped through repentance, trials, tribulations. Poieo - Practice, Do, act “Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. - Matthew 7:24 The Fruit of the Spirit But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. - Galatians 5:22-23 The Church is where we put loving God and one another into practice. Living life together on mission. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless. - Ephesians 5:25-27 Imitating Christ Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children; and walk in love, just as Christ also loved you and gave Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma. - Ephesians 5:1-2 I believe we cannot please God through our flesh. But by the Spirit, by the reconciliation through Christ's blood, we are enabled to imitate Christ. And this is how we please God, since this is also the work of God. (Jude v.24-25)

[@BibleLine]

Poieo actually denotes nothing of “practice.” It’s to “do, commit or act.” Think about it. Does the Spirit of God only practice righteousness, or is he 100% perfectly righteous? This is the two natures: your flesh sins, but the believer’s spirit cannot sin. Why? It is born if God. Yes, of course, God wants us to live righteously in these bodies, obey his commands, and reach everyone we can. No one here at BibleLine is feeding the “live how you want, and it’s all cool” straw man. It’s not all cool! God chastens his children - Heb. 12:6. We absolutely are supposed to imitate Christ, but we cannot imitate Christ until we are IN Christ by faith. We are born into the family by faith. Gal. 3:26, John 1:12, John 3:6-18, Eph. 1:1-7. The faith IN Jesus saves you, but your lifestyle is how you spread that to others, not look like a hypocrite, obey the scripture and please God. You just can’t put the cart before the horse. Roman’s 11:6 - it’s grace or works; it cannot be both. - Trent

[@Called_Out_Ones]

@@BibleLineright on. I agree with you 100%

[@Called_Out_Ones]

Thanks for your replies. God Bless!

[@St_Pablo298]

The problem I see is that you’re being a bit selective in what verses are important. I could equally quote James where it says that faith without works is dead. Or in 1 Peter where baptism is said to now save us. What of the Christian that believes in Jesus but perpetually falls into sin? How does a carnal Christian square with what appears to be easy believism. Across the Christian landscape there are innumerable interpretations of the Bible and approaches to soteriology. Jesus said we are to take up our cross and to follow him. Yes, believing in Christ is a prerequisite for salvation. But the Bible also says that the demons believe. What we need is the whole counsel of God. I’ve personally found more answers in apostolic based churches like orthodoxy or Catholicism, but that would obviously open up a completely different discussion

[@BibleLine]

Hey Jason, thanks for commenting. You pose valid questions! 1) “Selective.” To this we would say, yes it is wrong to “cherry pick” or use verses out of their proper context unless the verse actually means the same thing within or without the context. A verse like John 3:16 in context is to Nicodemus, but it is also a stand alone statement to the entire world. Jesus could’ve said that to any person. Therefore “whosoever believeth…” holds to be true. This does not work in regards to many a book/verse, especially that of James and 1 John (often misunderstood scriptures). 2) “James - faith without works/the demons believe” First off, James is not the same context as Jesus witnessing to Nicodemus. James is talking to people who already have “faith” and have already believe in Jesus. We find this in chapter one “faith” and “my brethren.” The statement “faith without works is dead” is not regarding your salvation, but it is regarding the judgment for saved people. The demons only believe that God is and that He is all powerful, but they do not trust in Jesus Christ. The point there still runs alongside the context. Believers are to work so that their faith profits others, not so that they may be saved from hell. 3) “Baptism saves us” Water baptism is never used to save anyone into eternal life. Peter even claims in that verse that it doesn’t put away the filth of the flesh. On the other hand, when a person believes, they are born again by the baptism of the Holy Spirit. This is only done by faith in Jesus Christ. Water baptism is then used to exemplify Jesus death, burial and resurrection. 4) “Carnal Christians.” We know this is possible because of the Corinthians. They were saved, but they failed in their service. It is possible to believe and be saved, but later fail in service to the Lord. - Trent

[@freegraceau]

@@BibleLine wow you are truly a Bornean!

[@theouterplanet]

@@freegraceauI never heard of the church of Borneo

[@jayheinz4624]

​@@BibleLinewell said! 👍👍🐦

[@Green_shore]

U must “hyper” know whom those epistles is written for!

[@thereturn2361]

It amazes me how profoundly ignorant of the scriptures some people are. They take a few verses about believing in Christ and make that the be all and end all of the matter. So I guess we just trash the rest of scripture to suit your fanciful belief that believing is the whole enchilada. It is too bad that Pastor Jesse Martinez can not go back in time and correct the Apostle Paul, James, Peter, John the baptist and Jesus himself. They all preached repentance unto salvation. (oops, James doesn't mention repentance; he just points out that even the demons believe and if you don't have works of faith, you show yourself to be no better than the demons. You have a dead faith that cannot save) Paul preached to both Jew and Gentile repentance and faith. I could go on but I suspect Pastor Jesse knows these facts. He just chooses to ignore them to present a simplistic gospel that if not understood correctly will profit you nothing. Jesus did not come to pay the penalty for your sins just so that you could continue on in them. That's not the plan man!

[@BibleLine]

I’m unsure why you come at us with harsh sarcasm and attacks. Anyway, we do have a video regarding repentance, faith without works, can I lose salvation, etc… We don’t craft these from Zane Hodges, nor do we take a few verses to fit a narrative. Jesus died for all sin. He made the full payment that was required for sin! Those who believe in him as Romans 3-4 clearly states are justified. Acts 13:38-39 also says believers are justified (declared righteous) from all things from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. I owed a sin payment, but Jesus cancelled my debt. He only asks for people to simply believe in Him (John 6:47, 3:15-18, Eph. 2:8-8, Gal 2:16, Phil 3:9, Titus 3:4-5, etc…) Repentance and works for very perfectly in this equation as well. All repentance is is a change of mind. I believed this, now I change my mind and believe this. When a person believes in Jesus’ payment for sin, that person has changed their mind. Works are never required for salvation, and works can never save any man unless that man be perfect. That is the requirement. I pose you a question in sincerity. If I can play any part via works/turning from sin/keeping the law for my salvation, then why did Jesus have to die? Would it have truly been necessary? - Trent

[@thereturn2361]

@@BibleLine What you call harsh sarcasm and attacks I would call strong admonition. I do not normally speak this way to "regular" believers on KZbin. However, Jesse Martinez is a Pastor and should know better than to say that repentance is not necessary for salvation (via his rejection of Dr Brown's explanation). Pastor Jesse speaks of salvation in a very narrow focus. Technically he is not wrong, just incomplete since he rejects a large body of scripture about salvation. He would be better served in following Dr. Brown's statement on salvation. It is much more inclusive of what the scriptures teach and therefore much more accurate, primarily because he includes repentance. This is why I said Jesse presents, "a simplistic gospel that if not understood correctly will profit you nothing." It is fine to teach that believing in Jesus will save you. It is not fine to purposely exclude repentance from sin and even worse if you say repentance is not necessary. That was the whole point of Jesus' sacrifice: "She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.” Matt 1:21 Hence, Jesus taught, ".....repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem." Luke 24:47 And, "He did not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance." Luke 5:32 If Jesus called sinners to repentance, and on the day of Pentecost Peter preached repentance and if Paul taught both Jew and Gentile repentance and faith, then why would we leave repentance out of the message? In your response, you say all repentance is a change of mind. True. Then you say, "When a person believes in Jesus’ payment for sin, that person has changed their mind." True again but that person has not repented yet. It is basic understood fact that repentance involves a change in action along with the change in mind. Merriam-Webster defines repent as follows: 1: to turn from sin and dedicate oneself to the amendment of one's life Dictionary.com defines repent as: to feel such sorrow for sin or fault as to be disposed to change one's life for the better; be penitent. Better yet, W.E. Vine's Greek Expository Dictionary of NT Words defines repent: "to perceive afterwards (meta, after, implying change, noeo, to perceive; nous, the mind, the seat of moral reflection) in contrast to pronoeo, to perceive beforehand, hence signifies to change one's mind or purpose, always, in the NT, involving a change for the better, an amendment and always of repentance from sin (except in Luke 17:3-4). So here is the danger: if you only "ask for people to simply believe in Him," you have only shared half of what salvation is all about. Jesus died for our sins. If we continue in sin, after "simply believing in him," we have neither seen him or known him. 1 John 3:6 In regard to your question, it is absolutely necessary for Christ to die to atone for our sins. We cannot atone for them by works of the law. We cannot atone for them by works of faith. We cannot even atone for them by faith in Jesus. Only Jesus could offer himself like a lamb without blemish of spot. We have all sinned. I get the impression that you and Pastor Jesse believe that repentance is a "work" that somehow "merits" salvation. Nothing could be further from the truth. Repentance is a change of mind toward sin. That means our attitude will be to overcome sin by the help of God who works in us to will and to act according to his good purpose and who has now broken the power of sin in us. We should be in a lifelong pursuit of holiness...... that is, if we love God. May we all continue to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

[@thereturn2361]

@@DaHomieEli Thank you for your reply. I appreciate the time you took to respond to me. However, I think you might be a little confused by what I believe. I do not believe I have to work for my salvation. Nor do I believe that Jesus' death wasn't sufficient. And I certainly do not believe I can save myself. It makes me wonder how you can make those accusations against me when you don't know me or what I believe other than what I said in a short post. Based upon your response, and the assumptions you made about me, I'm guessing you are still young in the faith and haven't had time to grow in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. But maybe not. Maybe you have been around a long time and have studied the bible intensively. With that thought in mind, I would like to ask you some questions. 1) You have said that the "message on how to be saved is so clear and simple." I assume you are referring to the message of Pastor Martinez who has claimed that all you need do is just believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. Then why do the scriptures say that we are justified by our works and not by faith alone? 2) Speaking of simple things, Jesus said in John 14:14, "If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it." In John 16:23, he said, "In that day you will ask nothing of me. Truly, truly, I say to you, whatever you ask of the Father in my name, he will give it to you." Pretty simple isn't it? Just ask in Jesus name and you will get whatever you ask for. Have you received 100% of the things you have asked for in Jesus' name? Jesus said that whatever you ask for, the Father will give it to you. If you haven't received 100%, perhaps you can explain why Jesus' promise isn't so simple. 3) What does God want from those who come to faith in Jesus? If you are like so many on KZbin, you won't answer any of those 3 questions. I can think of three reasons most people don't answer questions. Either they don't know the answers, or perhaps because the answers just may throw a monkey-wrench in what they believe, or perhaps they think they already know everything and don't need to stoop down to my level to answer. I suspect in your case, that you won't answer my questions. In that case, I kindly ask that you don't make false accusations against me until you understand fully what I believe. My desire is that we can discuss these things. It is through civil honest discussions that we can grow in our knowledge of God. If you are open to that w/o making false accusations, I would welcome the opportunity. Thanks

[@BibleLine]

Okay. 1. You’re contradicting yourself. - you claim repentance is a change of mind, but then you claim it is also a change of attitude towards sin. These are different. A change of mind does not have to be a change of attitude toward sin, nor does it have to be a decision to sin less. If you are using 1 John 3 according to your interpretation, then you would have to NEVER sin in order to have salvation. This is why your interpretation is incorrect. John is talking to believers in Christ who need to walk in the Spirit (cannot sin) as opposed to walking in their flesh (always sins). The modern dictionaries are to be discarded because the Greek word is only the correct use that applies. The word repent in NT Greek only means a change of mind. YOU sir add the caveat that a change of attitude or action is required. 2) You also contradict yourself again by saying “it’s okay that you say believing in Jesus is enough,” but “it’s not okay that you disregard repentance from/turning from sins” in the gospel presentation. Nicodemus must not have been saved according to what Jesus told him then? (John 3) 3) What an atrocious Pharisaical attitude to just presume “you must be young,” or “maaaaaybe you have studied…” 4) James. You reference “justified by works and not by faith alone.” We are justified by God the moment we believe (faith), see Romans 3:24, Romans 4:1-5, 5:1. We are justified before MEN by our works because our FAITH actually PROFITS them by WORKING. The faith is never dissipated because we don’t work, but someone might go hungry due to the fact I shut the door in their face and hoard all the bread. James, just like John, is talking to already saved people about working in order to profit others. 5) There are clear cut qualifiers to receiving “whatsoever ye ask.” - in his name - keeping his commandments God isn’t going to give you a Lamborghini just because you want it. He’s also introducing the fact that the Spirit is going to come as it did in the book of Acts. He’s giving them a comforter, that will reside in them and be with them forever. Regardless, if abiding and serving the Lord, then the things we ask will be in line with what God would want for us because we are abiding in him. Again, this is for believers. 6) He wants believers to serve (Romans 12:1-2, and many other portions make this clear) He wants us to pray, read, and reach others with the gospel that we have been entrusted with. 7) The brother above didn’t throw out accusations, but it appears you are trying to pick a fight in spiritual high mindedness, and I have waited patiently to respond towards you. STOP pulling scriptures and ripping them from their context, then banging them over our heads claiming we are so “YOUNG” in the faith to understand these things (1 Tim 4:12). If you really CARE then you should speak the truth in love and attempt to reach us. I realize typing has very little emotional weight, but we here at Bibleline do care to reach people with the CLEAR and SIMPLE and FREE gospel of grace. Thank you. - Trent

[@thereturn2361]

@@DaHomieEli I figured you wouldn't/couldn't answer my questions. Have a nice day.

[@NickyG22]

I used to listen to Joseph Price a lot. I don't really listen to him now because I don't agree with the 'health and wealth' stuff that he teaches and how he associates himself with heretical pastors like Joel Ostein but I can't fault him on his salvation message. He speaks against lordship salvation and has given sermons about how you can't lose your salvation.

[@prestongreene7489]

what is grace? The absence of works (Rom 11:6) What is hyper grace? really, really the absence of works????????? Grace by itself is already hyper.

[@BibleLine]

The idea of Hyper grace goes to the extent of having a license to sin without consequences. The Bible is clear that we are saved by grace through faith, but there are also consequences to our sinful choices after we are saved. The consequence will simply never be hell. See Hebrews 12 about chastening. - Trent

[@prestongreene7489]

@@BibleLine agreed here is a list as well. BUT in context, the "religious" usually define hyper grace as i think i can sin all i want and still go to heaven------to which i respond Act 13:39. - Loss of joy (Psalm 51:12) - Loss of rewards at the Judgment Seat of Christ (1 Cor 3:10-15) - Being called least in the Kingdom (matt 5:19) - Being ashamed at His appearing (1 John 2:28) - Being a vessel of DIS-honor (2 Tim 2:20-21) - Satan could have access to your flesh (1 Cor 5:5) - Being disciplined by God (Heb 12:5-6) - Having your physical life taken early (Acts 5: 1-11) - Be made sick by God (1 Cor 11:30-32)

[@BibleLine]

Yes, and that is a good list of consequences a believer in Christ may suffer due to their choices to sin. Acts 13:38-39 are very powerful verses in support of eternal security! All the sin was paid!

[@frankcaruso1113]

I watch Joseph Prince a lot and never heard him say you can lose your salvation (to the person who wrote the letter) I have heard him again and again state you cannot lose your salvation. Actually a lot of his teaching connected me to the joy of my Salvation and freed me from sin habits through Jesus of course.

[@phineas8532]

4:30 bookmark

[@ricklamb772]

Paul is grace,mercy and forgiveness are from the deciples and Jesus God's Son

[@ReadyToFly24]

But once we are saved, we need to go back to the law for fellowship and growth and to avoid chastisement according to you right? Thats the view of "progressive sanctification". Go back to the law

[@BibleLine]

No, we live by grace. We don’t go under the law. We are supposed to walk in the Spirit that has no law against it. Walking in the Spirit is to love one another and love God. This fulfills the law completely. If I love my wife, I won’t sleep with someone else. You see? - Trent

[@ReadyToFly24]

@ineOk thanks for clearing that up! Romans 8:9 KJV But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

[@Rundu1987]

Yes works cancel grace when it comes to Salvation.

[@AbideMinistriesJesus]

yo...... Hyper-Biblical. yes thats it!!!!!!

[@watchmanendtimes]

Repent of sins isa disease that's Infested the gospel

[@phineas8532]

Facts

[@Rundu1987]

Awesome.

[@BibleLine]

Thank you for the encouragement!! If you enjoy the videos, please share them!

[@nalcon1]

Hyper-grace is just another stupid made up term.

[@BibleLine]

Yeah it’s really just dabbling into the antinomian realm. The idea that grace allows for sin without any consequences at all. It is foolish to think that way. - Trent

[@nalcon1]

@@BibleLine They are like memes without pictures. Licence to sin is another dumb one. Neither make any sence whatsoever. lol

[@JimC-d2o]

Repent (turn) (be sanctified by God) and believe the gospel.

[@BibleLine]

Hey there! Thanks for the comment. Turn from sin is not required to be saved. Only believing in Jesus Christ. Repentance is a change of mind. - Trent

[@theouterplanet]

@@BibleLineturn or burn bro! 😂

[@randyd9805]

When someone adds a word to describe grace that is not found even once in the Bible you should know automatically they're believing and teaching false doctrine. There is no such thing as "hyper-grace". It is GRACE. That's all and that's it. Adding anything to that will lead a person into the lake of fire and brimstone from which there is no coming back. "For by GRACE are ye saved" "The GRACE of God that bringeth salvation". "Justified freely by His GRACE through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus." Acts 15:11"But we believe that through the GRACE of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they." God saves lost sinners by grace and the Bible never calls it anything such as the despicable term "Hypergrace". That's WICKED and anyone using such awful terminology should be ashamed and maybe they need to get saved!

[@kingdele01]

Yes! It would have been hyper-biblical if that was the only thing that the Bible has to say about the topic. Unfortunately, your theology is more like hyper reductionist.

[@Green_shore]

Hyper - verse jumping

[@mr.seapig2811]

Repentance is basically a heartfelt apology toward God With a resolve to return to God‘s moral laws… exactly like the many examples throughout the entire 119th chapter of Psalms. Believe in Jesus Christ’s sacrifice on the cross is the second rail of the train tracks that lead towards salvation. Think of this in a courtroom scenario… Who would the judge give mercy (salvation) to? The one who feels remorse, or the one that just believes the judge has proper credentials. To me, Arminians seem like half baked Christians. My opinion.

[@datchet11]

Yes it's faith in Jesus that saves but repentance of sin is important in the process of salvation, we should turn to Jesus to save us, imagine if you committed adultery against your spouse and pleaded for her to forgive you only to carry on doing it

[@BibleLine]

Repentance with regard to salvation is not a turn from sin. It is a change of mind. Jesus forgave ALL our sin. He doesn’t do 50% while we turn from the other 50%. It’s by faith alone in Jesus Christ alone. - Trent

[@datchet11]

@BibleLine I completely agree, however I think repentance is a change of mind regarding Jesus and our sins, when we acknowledge our sins we see our need for a saviour.

[@BibleLine]

@datchet11 Yes, we have to realize our need of a Savior, but that involves no turning from sin. Repentance is simply changing your mind from it believing in Jesus to believing in Jesus. You receive eternal life the moment you believe; not the moment you acknowledge sin or change something about your sin. - Trent

[@datchet11]

@BibleLine OK so with that logic would you be truly sorry if you continued to do the very things you was sorry about that makes no sense.

[@BibleLine]

The definition of salvific repentance has nothing to do with being sorry for sin. Jesus forgives all. You only need believe in Him. Jesus isn’t waiting for you to apologize in order to be saved. - Trent

[@johngagne33]

Insufficient!!

[@mr.seapig2811]

Also, the word “grace“ means unmerited favor, which means, discrimination, choice, or election… And it’s not grace towards everybody indiscriminately… No! God has mercy on whom he will have mercy… And he gives grace (salvation) to the humble. Humility comes from deep remorse for sinning against the Holy God… The Ninevites are an example. The Ninevites “believed God“ that he was going to destroy their city, unless the people stopped sinning against him. I don’t understand Armenian thinking… The verse that comes to mind is the last half of 1st Corinthians 12:3 1 Corinthians 12:3 “no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.

[@Teavinylgod]

Wow. Way to omit scripture and twist the few you use. You are hypergrace even if you refuse to call it that.

[@ThemCoversMB]

I love Dr Michael brown. But, as theological mut u can't find somone who aligns with everytbing :P

[@NotCalvinist777]

You…are…anathema