Is FSD 12.3.6 an improvement?

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Ай бұрын

Welcome to Metz Tech. I got access to FSD v12.3.6 on my 2024 Model 3! Let's put it to the test.
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@Kaiyening 24 күн бұрын

This is one is my new favourite channels!

@MetzTech 24 күн бұрын

Thank you 🙏🏻

@Rhosclsgdk Ай бұрын

So helpful in understanding the cons of FSD. As someone living in Korea, it was really great to hear the real defects that other youtubers don’t really talk about. Thank you!

@MetzTech Ай бұрын

Thank you 🙏🏻 glad I could help

@kytim6482 Ай бұрын

I love to see familiar surroundings in your videos. You almost drove up to my apartment.

@MetzTech Ай бұрын

Thanks for watching, Tim!

@matthewwiemken7293 Ай бұрын

Interesting drive, ty.

@JaimeLee-wr7rx Ай бұрын

I like your video. You helped to point out most of the errors or deficiencies that 12.3.6 still has. Thanks.

@StanZabroda Ай бұрын

Totally agree about that "swimming". Especially when just changing lanes. works fine on highways since it's using v11 stack. but v12 has that "swimming". I have the same 2024 M3

@MetzTech Ай бұрын

For the video purposes I just let it be, but when I’m driving or someone else is in the car I just disengage when it does that bc it’s too embarrassing 🤣

@glynnwright1699 Ай бұрын

It may be a way of improving observability for interpreting the lane markings. There is very little information about velocity and acceleration for vision-only systems, so the manoeuvres are needed to 'understand' the scene. It is a consequence of not having velocity sensors, such as LiDAR.

@DevinOlsen Ай бұрын

It’s amazing how good FSD is, but the little quirks like you mention at the start (choosing lanes, rapid acceleration from stop signs) those really annoy me when I’m doing FSD with my M3. That’s what keeps it from feeling like a normal drive.

@MetzTech Ай бұрын

It really is an amazing technology. But “human-like” right now? I don’t think so

@bradcooke5383 Ай бұрын

Metztech can you tell if regen braking is being used for the majority of the time in FSD?

@jh-qb3yb Ай бұрын

Good review video.. Does anyone tell you you look like Derek from the movie step brothers?

@MetzTech Ай бұрын

Ha no I haven’t heard that one!

@darkdragon88 Ай бұрын

I still have trouble with slow right turns on red and stop signs. In some left turn lanes I don't get a swimming motion, I get a straight up quick back and forth jiggle that scares me and I disengage. I have to go to chill mode to avoid a lot of lane changes because in my path to and from work, I go to the lane that will not merge up ahead or have parked cars during scheduled times. At this point I am not sure if I want to subscribe to FSD but I think these can be solved. Like you said, it doesn't really do a lot wrong, but it is going to annoy like a new driver.

@dmunro9076 Ай бұрын

You can flick the left scroll wheel, up or down, to provide the needed feedback for FSD nags. I find there's less tendency to accidentally disengage when using the scroll wheel vs torque on the steering wheel.

@MetzTech Ай бұрын

That’s what I use to dismiss the nags. Just wish I didn’t have to do it as often

@matthewwiemken7293 Ай бұрын

Some of this stuff is familiar, but never have the lurching so that is interesting feature I'll watch for:)

@MetzTech Ай бұрын

“Feature” 😂 thanks for watching!

@TeslaElonSpaceXFan Ай бұрын

😍

@snakeplissken128 Ай бұрын

I get the “swimming” thing. Every time some is behind me and that happens they must think I’m drunk or just a jalopy.

@MetzTech Ай бұрын

I always wonder if it looks as dramatic from the outside as it feels inside. Sometimes I too scared to make eye contact with people who have been behind me at a stoplight 😅

@hoofzy Ай бұрын

I had got 12.3.6 2 days after 12.3.5. It feels just as good. I think it still ignores my max limit speed set too much. I only seem to get nag if I keep my eyes off the road and then I just put my hand over the turn signals without touching anything and the nag goes away. Somehow it is sensing my hand hovering over the controls. I use assertive only and find it isn’t assertive enough at times. When coming off the highways it slows down below the speed limit too much before hitting the off ramp. NJ ramps are often drawn bad. I also get all the same hesitations while stopping, merging or stop signs turns. Blinking red lights are still an issue. I can see it noticing potholes because I daily drive on a bad road and it goes well under the speed limit due to the condition. Like 10 to 15 under. When I nudge the accelerator to make it go it’ll launch to max speed.

@MetzTech Ай бұрын

Definitely not assertive enough. I can’t imagine what the chill setting is like lol

@paulhamrick3943 Ай бұрын

I think you are correct, when it left that gap it was doing so so that cars exiting or entering that parking lot (business) on your right would have room, but the reason why once traffic started moving it didn't wait for that person to pull out is because that person was giving almost no indication they planned on pulling onto the road, they didn't creep forward and indicate they were taking the right-of-way. I think you should have just let the Tesla drive, in my experience it detects fairly accurately when other cars are asserting their right-of-way, if they don't assert themselves that's their fault.

@MetzTech Ай бұрын

Totally. It’s tough when that person in the other car is making direct eye contact with you as you let the car drive past them 😅🤣

@glen7567 Ай бұрын

So jealous how quiet your new m3 is. My 2019 model 3 is so LOUD

@MetzTech Ай бұрын

I love that as well. It’s a peaceful cabin

@tomewatson Ай бұрын

I had the FSD for the month of April. The biggest issues I had with it were: 1) Choosing the wrong lane. It would often get in the “right turn only” lane when going straight. 2) Making a right turn on a red light, even when there is a “no turn on red” sign. 3) It doesn’t avoid pot holes. I had to take over too often for it to be worth paying $99 a month. I’ll try it again in a few months. Thanks for the video.

@Austin_H7 Ай бұрын

#1 is the primary reason I have 4 disengagements every time I head home from work.

@DerekDavis213 Ай бұрын

@@Austin_H7 AI and Neural Nets. Pretty impressive, eh? NOT

@Austin_H7 Ай бұрын

@@DerekDavis213It’s actually impressive as fuck 90% of the time. But you’re right, I should probably use another company’s non-geofenced, in-vehicle neural nets.. oh wait

@DerekDavis213 Ай бұрын

@@Austin_H7 All self driving systems are weak and buggy right now. But because Tesla is the best of them, we should admire them? NO. FSD has been renamed to Supervised driving, which is a scam to all the people that paid $15k or $12k, expecting a Level 5 system.

@Austin_H7 Ай бұрын

@@DerekDavis213 The only “scammed” people that were expecting a level 5 system are the ones lacking reading comprehension. I couldn’t care less what or who anyone else admires. As long as my car keeps getting updates and makes progress on making my daily drives require less input from me, that’s all I care about.

@ramblin_man23 Ай бұрын

Just got this last night. Is this permanent or just a trial?

@MetzTech Ай бұрын

You got a 30 day trial

@otterc.9337 Ай бұрын

Yes! Every single issue you showed here is an issue I have identified multiple times to the FSD team, and the problems are not getting better. I have seriously begun to think that FSD is never going to be ready for Level 3 self-driving.

@DerekDavis213 Ай бұрын

Yes, so many v12 point releases, and the problems persist. Maybe v13 will be a major jump?

@ken-mb5cp Ай бұрын

@@DerekDavis213It’s getting pretty good but no way is it as good as me. I hate when people over hype it.

@DerekDavis213 Ай бұрын

@@ken-mb5cp I hate when people over hype it too. But that happens a lot. I would not trust the lives of my wife and child with FSD. Absolutely not.

@ken-mb5cp Ай бұрын

@@DerekDavis213 Though today was the first time while using it that I though gee this is actually ok. I’ve been saying it sucked up till now.

@glen7567 Ай бұрын

11:05 hahaha yes!!! I love this. A person after my own heart. Can't stand the people who say "yah but it's safer"....no it's not!! When the car slams on its brakes to be at 3 car lengths apart at a stop, it's NOT being safer (we used to be able to choose follow distance). When the car sits there and waits at intersections until COMPLETELY clear, it's not being safer. People behind you are damn near rear ending you to get you to MOVE! It needs to act like 99% of the normal driver, not like the 90 year old "safe" driver. Also, I've had FSD for 5 years now and have seen no discernible difference between the three "modes" of driving... I'm experiencing the same aggravating issues you are on 12.3.6.... Hoping 12.4 improves on FSD.

@MetzTech Ай бұрын

When a car behaves out of the ordinary, regardless of what is the “safest”, it becomes unsafe. We want the driving experience to be indiscernible between human and FSD and it’s not that right now.

@rj-zn3cw Ай бұрын

Wear sunglasses. It will mitigate the nagging. It also learns to trust you when you are responsive to the nagging and as a result, nags you less and less.

@Gabriel.78 Ай бұрын

I seen where if it nags too much that in the same trip to disengage and then re-engage fsd you won’t get nagged as much 🤷🏻‍♂️

@glen7567 Ай бұрын

I am constantly tapping that accelerator when people are behind me.

@DerekDavis213 Ай бұрын

Many people feel that every tap of the pedal is an *intervention* . FSD cannot drive properly alone.

@MetzTech Ай бұрын

😂

@dhui777 Ай бұрын

If these are all the complaints we have with FSD, it’s on a really promising track.

@MetzTech Ай бұрын

It’s definitely on its way!

@TimC883 Ай бұрын

I’ve watched other people hit a button on the screen that flags that spot so that it can be reviewed probably by computers but at least reviewed. Do you ever hit the flag button to show the problems? Just curious.

@MetzTech Ай бұрын

I have done the voice clip when it disengaged but I haven’t do the spot button. How do you do it?

@TimC883 Ай бұрын

@@MetzTech I’m just now researching to buy a Tesla in the next two months, I just happened to watch a few of the people who are doing reviews on each update and noticed that when they say something like “let’s flag that as a mistake or problem” they reach up and seem to just tap something on the top right of the screen. My comment was just as a curiosity if you ever did that or maybe you could show others how it’s done. We are all learning so if I find out I will pass it along.

@mikeoberg1 Ай бұрын

The button is only available to OG FSD testers. Everyone else just has the voice input upon disengagement.

@Wunderpus-photogenicus Ай бұрын

Can FSD do u-turns?

@mikeoberg1 Ай бұрын

Yes.

@luisibanez5299 Ай бұрын

My 2021 model 3 has yet to update, it’s still using version 11.1 Anyone can help?

@MetzTech Ай бұрын

Are you on 2024.8?

@luisibanez5299 Ай бұрын

@@MetzTech yes

@MetzTech Ай бұрын

That’s why. They haven’t released v12 for the 2024.8 branch

@mondogomez5 Ай бұрын

Mind of nag as much when I am just looking forward and it is a road that does not have that many intersections

@MetzTech Ай бұрын

Even when I’m not talking to camera and looking fully forward it nags me 😪

@dev-11164 Ай бұрын

12.3.6 on my 24’ model 3 is crazy scary

@DerekDavis213 Ай бұрын

Other people are scared too. Despite all the AI and Neural Networks, FSD continues to make mistakes every day. Human supervision is 100% required. So disappointing.

@MetzTech Ай бұрын

The hope is that as it gets smarter and smarter those mistakes decrease. Same concept with cars adding safety systems. No matter what it’s a great % safer than the average driver so it’s a net positive. Hopefully FSD continues to trend that way

@DerekDavis213 Ай бұрын

@@MetzTech _No matter what it’s a great % safer than the average driver_ May I ask, what is the average driver? I am average, I think. I can drive every day for 10 years without an accident, and in any city in America. No problem. FSD is not better than I am! 😄

@MetzTech Ай бұрын

Then I would say you are above average.

@DerekDavis213 Ай бұрын

@@MetzTech Mr Metz, you've probably had a drivers license for at least 5 years? You are also a much better driver than the Level 2 FSD software.