Is God's "Love" REAL or a THREAT? | Seth Andrews & Paulogia

[@KageJW]

Once someone says "true Christianity" you know some BS is about to follow. 🙄

[@Rob-fc9wg]

Too right.

[@capthavic]

Or just Christianity in general.

[@jsmall10671]

No true scotsman

[@Olyfrun]

Off topic, but I kept thinking this was Sam Harris on the phone

[@xghast9012]

And it certainly did

[@roseredthorns]

"worship me or die" is not a choice, it's a threat

[@quotedotes]

Yes, but if you arbitrarily and nonsensically call it a choice, then you can pretend that it is!

[@omnius1357]

I've heard more than once, that it's supposed to be closer to a "treat", not a "threat"..

[@chrisgrill6302]

"You can either love God, and that's a choice you could make, or..." NO! We do not choose who we love any more than we choose what we believe. At least I don't, do you? What is wrong with Anthony?

[@quotedotes]

@@chrisgrill6302 I believe they call it "Stockholm Syndrome"

[@keaco73]

“and I love you.”

[@jens2old2care]

If tomorrow my 25yr old daughter told me she doesn't love me and no longer wants a relationship with me, I'd be devastated. But I'd still want her to have a happy, successful life. I'd still want the best for her. And then I'd run my broken self straight to therapy to figure my shit out- because no adult child goes no-contact without serious reasons.

[@joshuaf.3723]

From your fingers to my estranged father's eyes...

[@Joao-pl6db]

as long she didn't join a cult.

[@MrCanis4]

I have two daughters and they both love me very much. And I am very “grateful” to them for that.

[@ZhangK71]

Sometimes-rarely, but sometimes-children do neglect their parents for truly undeserved reasons. And I’m saying this as someone who suffered from abuse from my parents and therefore is shutting them out of my life for _deserved_ reasons, because I don’t represent everyone. That being said, deserved or not, no rejected parent should ever “punish”their neglectful children. Keeping your distance from them in turn is the most that should be done as a response.

[@mattjindrak]

Fuck dem keeds

[@jettythesunfish]

I'm far beyond tired of the "no true Christian" nonsense. They don't want to own up to what one of their ilk does, but they want to paint everyone on the outside with broad brushes.

[@EvilXtianity]

The core tenet is worshiping a father who used one of his sons as a human sacrifice to himself.

[@TheDahaka1]

And they always come to debate atheists instead of arguing in churches. Many years ago, Family Guy got it perfectly right about how these people thinks: "There's nothing worse than being an atheist. Even terrorists have a god, even if it's a smelly, brown god." The biggest threat to any belief based on nothing is people that don't have any such belief. Other beliefs based on nothing make the others stronger.

[@SoftBank47]

@@jettythesunfish I often say that Christianity wants to be a monolith until it becomes inconvenient. I like to use the issue of slavery. Christians will take all the credit, but as soon as you point out the fact that a good portion of Christians worked to uphold it, they pull the No True Christian card

[@JimBobJoeB0b]

If it is possible for someone who *genuinely believed* in God, and tried to follow Him, to have never been a “true Christian”, then we can easily turn that around on them and question how they know *their* faith is “true” besides their own conviction they’re on the right path. If leaving the faith is the one true way to sort out “true” believers from fakes, than in my book, no Christian is a true Christian until they die still believing.

[@EvilXtianity]

@@JimBobJoeB0b I would expect "true Christians" do do both of these- “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters - yes, even his own life - he cannot be my disciple." (Luke 14:26-27) “No one can become my disciple unless you give up all of your possessions." (Luke 14:33)

[@ericmckenzie1221]

If 2/3 of the class gets the answer wrong, the teacher is bad...not the students

[@markhaunert5029]

☝️ Best damn comment that explains the whole problem.

[@sthed6832]

Plus any halfway competent teacher could go through the test papers and show each student where they went wrong - and they would agree. In Christianity not only do they not agree, but they start wars about it.

[@UltraVioletKnight]

This guy said that modern christians aren't true christians so it's more like 99.999999% got it wrong

[@capthavic]

And if everyone in the class has a different answer they are sure is the only correct one, then the teacher is either a moron or non existent.

[@TheDahaka1]

Also, in this analogy, there are hundreds of different teachers saying contradicting variations of the same lesson, while all the students have to focus on multiple exams on other subjects, and there are so many students that the ones in the middle have to rely on the students that actually heard the teacher they were closest to XD

[@Syrnian]

100% threat of violence.

[@paulrichards6894]

jesus mentioned hell more than any other person in the bible and saw it as a place of torture

[@QueenyCrowley]

eternal tourture.. this should be obviously unjust in ANY case .. not so for the all loving one

[@iAtheist4Life]

😆

[@jimbob3030]

@@paulrichards6894 Jesus never said a single word, the people who made up the story said stuff.

[@jimmyjambon9206]

"but I love you".....

[@h.p.lovecraft6904]

I'm so tired of pretending that christianity isn't just a deranged form of pathological psychological abuse.

[@eddybowe2953]

It's the religion of fear. Something they use to great effect. History shows that. It is a mess, and people would be better off to dump it.

[@user-gk9lg5sp4y]

Hey Anthony, the problem is ETERNAL CONSCIOUS TORTURE!!! That's a huge problem.

[@cindychristman8708]

He should watch Dan Barker's video "You Don't Have To Go Down In My Basement".

[@JoeBManco]

Torture for any length of time is evil. Eternal torture is hyper-evil.

[@robhaskins]

"A father setting a child on fire for noncompliance." I've never heard Christianity summed up in such a pithy way. And when you think about it, it makes it ludicrous to be a Christian. (It might also explain why there's so much abuse in the world.)

[@joelonsdale]

What a weird, warped and awful sense of morality this guy has.

[@billpii6314]

and its also his Gods morality, oh goodie!

[@maxm2639]

What's weird or warped about saying that everyone should treat others with love, and that's the most important thing? The hosts are right that the caller's view makes God superfluous (except as an ineffectual enforcer), but it's much better than "it doesn't matter if you're a saint, if you don't believe in God" type Christianity. Isn't it?

[@Gawdssakes]

Basically they can do anything and say weelly weelly sowwy and all is good

[@ZhangK71]

@@maxm2639There’s nothing wrong with a certain degree of charity when it comes to dealing with theists and assessing their intentions and thinking, but when it becomes excessive and steps out of the bounds of intellectual honesty, it becomes akin to tolerating the intolerable, to the Aesop fable about an overly compassionate mouse freeing a snake from its chains. This guy Anthony is clearly not being intellectually honest which, in my opinion, is where the understanding and charity should end, so I don’t understand why you are defending him. It’d be one thing if he were 100% consistent the whole way through with his façade of compassion, then I could give him his due credit even as a theist, but that’s not the case, is it? He still made it very clear at the beginning that he has a “love god or else” mafioso attitude, that not performing or having the appropriate emotional state for someone should elicit punishment-and, when shown that’s ridiculous, shifts to the idea that respecting such a person’s lack of love by ending that relationship is equivalent to burning someone in hellfire for eternity, therefore the latter isn’t really the evil we’re led to believe at all! And that’s not the only shifting he does. That “I believe even non-Christian people can still be saved as long as they practice what Jesus has preached” bit? Sounds 100% spotless and faultless, sure-until you start questioning why he suddenly shifted to that sanitized P.R. sound bite in the first place when the original topic had been “Why is god implementing eternal torture justified just because someone doesn’t love him?” How does “people should love other people”-first of all, I don’t know how that should in any way be a universally unconditional thing, but most importantly-relate to that question, specifically, to the point of why eternal punishment is appropriate if you don’t? The answer is: it doesn’t relate, and it’s a non-sequitur pivot to another topic where he can say some nice-sounding things to improve the optics, one that may have been designed to be sneaky/subtle, but didn’t fool everyone.

That's something you can say about all fundamentalist believers

[@ekipogh]

"If you don't love me I will kick you out of the house" did he SERIOUSLY considered the other option?

[@MrCanis4]

I hope he never has children.

[@maryoconnell4276]

The caller implied that I, as an atheist, hurt other people. I'm a good person who Follows rules, helps others, and minds my own dxxm business.

[@mattjindrak]

First rule of Fight Club: if you say "I'm a good person", you ain't a good person

[@JimBobJoeB0b]

@@mattjindrakI thought the first rule was we don’t talk about the Fight Club 🤨

[@TheModdedwarfare3]

​@@JimBobJoeB0bThat's why nobody knows anything about fight club anymore smh.

[@SleepyMatt-zzz]

​@@mattjindrakWhat are you on about? That reference doesn't even make sense 😂

[@Olyfrun]

​@@JimBobJoeB0bdude you broke the rule!!!

[@jordivilaioliveras]

Instead of viewing a horror movie, I'm here, listening Anthony for a half an hour. And it's by far more scaring, by far.

[@DammitBobby]

Bro is just making up his own version of Christianity and claiming it as "true Christianity". The arrogance is astounding.

[@Jcs57]

Everything you said spot on. I would just add….. _but not uncommon in the Christian community._

[@jimbob3030]

Every believer does that.

[@pansepot1490]

He’s lucky he lives in today’s America. If he lived a few centuries ago in Europe he’d have high chances of being burnt on a wood pyre as a heretic.

[@mattjindrak]

​@jimbob3030 yup and they dismiss your points by saying "you don't even understand Christianity" not even realizing they already lose when they claim there's a god, so the finer details of their beliefs don't matter

[@CorbinB-Rax]

Christianity and Islam are NPD university

[@spadams999]

That was an incredible phone call. Total lunacy.

[@ritawing1064]

Really! You think "why would anyone put themselves in such a weak position?"

[@spadams999]

@@ritawing1064 Really.

[@bobmudge4836]

In “love me or else,” the “or else” is duress.

[@daleproctor3723]

Thank the Lord He has given us Anthony from Virginia to tell us about true Christianity!

[@hankbeckleshimer5541]

Jesus, according to the Bible, is a Jew.

[@joshuaf.3723]

Exactly the comments I was looking to make. This caller and his "one true Christian" worldview is sad and so cognitively dissonant! How is it not more obvious how based in narcissism salvation religions are!? They turn the narcissism dial to x11, then make it into a VIRTUE through faith. Garbage-minds is what theism produces, yuck!

[@joeanon5788]

😂😂😂😂😇😇😇😇🤣🤣🤣🤣"Praise The Anthony"

[@DulceN]

😂Then you can keep him, I don't want him in Virginia!

[@derkylos]

No, no. You don't get it. The Bible is sooo simple, anyone can understand what it says. Except that bit. And you have to read this bit a bit differently. And you have to use a different translation for this bit. And, really, you might as well throw the whole thing out because all you _actually_ need to know is that _I_ know what god wants, and it just so happens to be exactly what _I_ want. Now, isn't that a surprise?

[@czickgraf]

'Love me or I'll set you on fire.' Now I'm traumatized.

[@Rob-fc9wg]

Somehow christians think that's a very loving thing to tell a 3 yo child. The religious mind is such a broken thing!

[@taketheatrain5393]

Wow, the warped mind of the believer never fails to blow me away!

[@TooCringeToAssociateWith]

Love me..... Or Else!!! (Threats of impending doom commence)

[@joeanon5788]

god surely sounds like a sociopathic narcissist.

[@992turbos]

It’s an abusive relationship. “You can’t leave me. If you try, I’ll hurt you.”

[@thedave1771]

Jesus: you’d better let me in so I can protect you! Human: Protect me, from what? Jesus: From what I’m going to do to you if you don’t let me in!

[@TheModdedwarfare3]

Is Jesus a vampire? He can only punish you of you let him in.

[@grantwing4942]

The image in my mind reading this is of Jack Nickolson in The Shining. Head partway through the door, the manson lamps and crazy grin.... "Here's Johnny".

[@thedave1771]

@@grantwing4942 love it!

[@gloriaf6971]

😂

[@jayg342]

"I showed them." was an epic response right there Paul.

[@white_isnt_a_race2338]

The idea that a finite crime deserves infinite punishment is insane

[@jphenry3404]

A much more apt human analogy would be an abusive partner, who'd threaten to kill you or make your life hell if you decide to leave them. But I guess some zealots find that okay as well

[@hankbeckleshimer5541]

They find a lot of stuff to be ok. I can't imagine any women being religious but they are,

[@noone3216]

Lol right?? It's gotta be something they actually find reprehensible to be effective, and even when it comes to 'setting your kid on fire for not loving you', some christians be like "mmm🤔.. I dunno, it's tricky, isn't it...."

[@joecoolioness6399]

Deep down they know it's BS so aren't afraid of their god even though any rational person would fear such a monster.

[@curtisrobinson4000]

"Do what I say and you won't get hurt". That shit doesn't work for me.

[@briancarton1804]

It's not a case of you won't get hurt , it's a case of do what I say or I WILL HURT YOU.

[@AXKfUN9m]

@@briancarton1804 "you'll make me hurt you. But it's on you."

[@MrMattSax]

This dude was the no true Scotsman fallacy in the flesh

Yep. It’s always funny when Christian’s accuse each other of not being true Christians. Doesn’t really help them when debating atheists, it makes their case even weaker.

[@kentonbaird1723]

I don't think he's a true no true scotsman, though...

[@Bushidounohana]

Really really dig Seth Andrews’ style.

[@kylas1902]

What's wild is a human father beating, reaping, and burning their child alive is a lesser punishment than what God would subject us to. Not loving him. What Insane take.

[@donnyh3497]

"Love me or I'll torture you for eternity" that's not obusive at all, that's loving! 😂

[@Wilhelm-100TheTechnoAdmiral]

Keep moving those goal posts 😇

[@arnoldfossman1701]

Last time I checked I don't choose to love or not love anything or anyone. Love is an emotion that develops over time and can be ended over mistreatment. No choice involved there.

[@MikeFean]

"Love me or I hurt you" is very intense and threatening. This type of language indicates serious emotional or psychological problems.

[@revwillyg6450]

I was just listening to Love Hurts by Gram Parsons. Was that a sign from god??😂

[@moon_wobble7782]

At 23:15, you touched on the real basic argument about Christians and of any god. With so much confusion and all different interpretations, how can anyone not conclude that it’s man made?

[@briannelson27]

Bingo. we know that no religions are true since there is more than one. If one was true it would be the only one.

[@virtualmanny]

That was a nice, civil conversation. No yelling lol.

[@arnoldfossman1701]

The caller said something to the effect that some difference makes no difference, to this I offer the following quote: Alfred Korzybski (3 July 1879 - 1 March 1950) was a Human philosopher. He coined the phrase "A difference which makes no difference is no difference."

[@discopants68]

“If you CHOOSE not to love me…” Christians seem to think that not only are your beliefs a choice, but your feelings are as well.

[@jamietodd2560]

What Anthony is describing is a Trolley Problem: - God is at a switch saying "If you don't love me I will _not_ throw the switch and you will continue along this track to Hell, but if you love me I will throw the switch onto a track that leads to Heaven." Either way God is responsible for what occurs.

[@gluehfunke1547]

God‘s all powerful but apparently he can’t be bothered to reach out his hand to save you from the lake of fire if you don’t love him.

[@DLB-m3g]

You two are the best hosts of The Line! You are kind and you listen better than many of the other hosts. Your answers and questions are respectful of your caller in spite of how frustrating it can be for you.

[@MeDecade]

Anthony is an insufferable choad. He called once when Shannon and Paul were hosting and just kept pushing his "I'm right, you're wrong because I said so" blathering ad nauseum. Then proceeded to piss Shannon off which is inadvisable.

[@modernenglishman7802]

Do you know the episode? I absolutely love when Shannon, deservedly, goes off on people.

[@brianharris7243]

The Godfather God- "I want to make you an offer you can't refuse..."

[@noone3216]

God Thefather 🤌🤌

[@Syrnian]

7:50 Love is not a choice.

[@DrewSmithTPA]

So God's love is "unconditional", except the condition where he isn't loved in return?

[@Noise-Conductor]

Gotta read the fine print.

[@noone3216]

Gods love is unconditional, on the following conditions: 1. You love him back, and only him. 2. You believe everything he says. 3. You *do* everything he says. But not because you have to - it's your choice. There will be consequences for choosing not to. Outside that, unconditional as all get out! Feel my divine love upon thee!

[@DrewSmithTPA]

@@noone3216 There is no such thing as "unconditional with conditions". That's a contradiction in terms.

[@noone3216]

@@DrewSmithTPA I understand this. I was making light of the same contradiction you were in your original comment: there are conditions to gods "unconditional" love. I just added a couple extras 😉

[@countroshculla]

Anthony said those words and did not stop to think for himself.

[@brianbrennan5600]

He retreated to "only criminals go to hell" from "love God or go to hell." And then it turns out he isn't a Christian?

[@cassievining340]

As a high school teacher, I sometimes have a student who, for whatever reason, just doesn’t like me. It’s rare, I’m pretty damn awesome. But when it happens, I don’t treat them any differently because 1) they’re still my student 2) it’s not their fault that they don’t like me and 3) it might be MY fault, if I said or did something offensive that I’m not aware of. I usually start by having a quiet conversation just acknowledging that the tension is there, that it’s okay, and if I did something wrong I would appreciate knowing so I could apologize. I let them know that they could email me about whatever the issue is, regardless, because I want their classroom experience to be the best it can be. Often they say I haven’t done anything. Sometimes they just don’t like the class or someone they sit by. I can address those issues. I always want to work with the student, not act like a god who “cuts off” from them.

[@timterrell8678]

What a great call. You guys articulated your responses extremely well!

[@QueenyCrowley]

These two make a great team.

[@tekbarrier]

God in the Bible: "love me or burn" Seth's analogy: "love me or burn" Anthony: "that analogy doesn't work"

[@SteveLong-du7iq]

I have a son. And I love him very much. And I told him: "I love you very much but if you don't do what I tell you and the way I tell you and the times I tell you then I will punish you with all the power I have forever." Can't you tell me that I'm not a loving father? I am giving him a choice!

[@operating]

I love how Seth uses very few words to nail his point down. Those are the biggest Mike drops.

[@michaelrenadette4026]

Who holds God accountable for all the vicious crimes and atrocities that he's done

[@discontinuedmodel232]

Nobody, because God writes his own job performance reports. So far he "meets or exceeds" the deity standards and is on track to be promoted ahead of his peers.

[@skepticofdoom7486]

Anybody who tells me to love them or else gets the finger. You know which one.

[@TravisW888]

Anthony, multiple times: “You aren’t forced to do it, but if you don’t, there will be consequences.” Do you understand the words coming out of your mouth? This must be using a different definition of force, since if I force someone to do something, it is almost entirely through the use of threat of the alternative.

[@ChristianIce]

Jesus' version of the golden rule is inferior to Confucius' one. "Love your neighbour"? You can love your wife and treat her as property, you can love your slaves. The actual, working golden rule is: "Do not impose on others what you do not wish for yourself." See how that works much better?

[@joecoolioness6399]

It is how I live my life. Xians will take credit for that rule and say it only exists because of xianity without bothering to actually go research where it came from.

[@wynlewis5357]

This guy has his own version of God, the Bible and Christianity. He should start his own religion and tell the world his way is the only true religion.

[@Krawnbundungle]

You heard it here first folks! Christ was not a savior, a redemption, nor a sacrifice - no, he was merely a messenger of gods divine karmic system of forced love. True Christianity ladies and gentlemen, goodness gracious smh.

[@MrDalisclock]

He also leaves out the bits where Jesus says the commandments have to be kept until the world ends. So apparently if keeping the 613 commandments are what's needed then what is Jesus really adding other the being yet another prophet preaching the end and calling the religious leadership to the carpet?

[@simonkoster]

Can't you just feel the Christian love. 😂

[@iAtheist4Life]

🤣

[@brightargyle8950]

Coerced "love" is not true love. This man's definition of love is sick and abusive, it's a shame that he's warping his mind to excuse it. It's even worse that he's trying to make other people think the same way.

[@dawnivison7678]

I hope he never has children.

[@LOwens-xf8yo]

Ask any mother, we love our kids no matter what they do, how they feel about us, or even how they act. Thats how unconditional love works. Comparing god & humans with a father & an adult son doesn’t follow. As adults, family members are equals. But God has absolute power over our lives & afterlives. To punish us for not pleasing him, is necessarily punching down. Like a kid stepping on ants.

[@Nexils]

I love the idea of a math class where there's no teacher. Only a bunch of books that all say different things. No one knows who wrote these math books, but the math books themselves all claim they have the correct answers. And the students start fighting among themselves as they claim that their math book has the correct answers in them. Meanwhile a group of students are sitting in the corner saying "I have this strange feeling that none of these math books are actually teaching anything about math..."

[@lsonnabend9044]

An argument like this several years ago was what made me realize how nonsensical Christian beliefs were.

[@roscius6204]

What a perfect example of why so many abusers are religious... His view on power imbalance and how to use it is dangerous and frightening.

[@Toni-lo9ms]

Thank you. If you believe an easily angered immortal omnipotent being has told you to do something the imbalance of power alone imparts the force of command. The addition of eternal torture as a consequence of not doing so makes it a threat.

[@TheAntiburglar]

I have no words for how absolutely pathetic and awful the sentiments presented by Anthony are. "If you don't love me I will kick you out of my house" is disgraceful.

[@montagdp]

He was genuinely surprised when the hosts didn't agree that that would be a reasonable response.

[@kentonbaird1723]

If I didn't think the man was an immoral scumbag, i'd worry about what his own family life was like.

[@RonCarr4israel]

This video has driven me even further from religion, and I wasn’t even close before. Thanks Seth.

[@PurpleRhymesWithOrange]

I did not love my father. The consequences were that I moved to a different state and did not see him for over 20 years. I led my own life and he led his. Neither of us has to suffer for the separation.

[@Wilhelm-100TheTechnoAdmiral]

Imagine that, Anthony is the arbiter of the true meaning of Christianity

[@diannanagelvoortsaltz469]

I’m always amazed theists actually call in….

[@discontinuedmodel232]

It's about time! Jesus should hire Anthony on the spot, then he can begin to reign in all those different denominations. On Day #1 Anthony should kick the Pope out of the Vatican and turn it into a Dave & Busters. 👍

[@Wilhelm-100TheTechnoAdmiral]

@discontinuedmodel232 I like this, but let's turn Vatican City into Food Court City. All the restaurants. All the farmer's markets.

[@discontinuedmodel232]

@@Wilhelm-100TheTechnoAdmiral Yes that does seem better. Dave & Busters is too loud & chaotic IMHO.

[@ZhangK71]

That last bit is very interesting and telling: Seth essentially tells Anthony, in the nicest, most polite way possible, “I sure hope you grow out of your morally bankrupt, emotionally immature conception of human relationships (and, by extension, the human-to-god relationship, since he himself was the one to make an apologist analogy for the latter using the former)”. Anthony responds with a mechanical “thank you very much” which was essentially just a brusque goodbye before hanging up and not a literal “thank you”. No, Anthony was not thankful for being spoken to like that, but-here’s the kicker-neither does he attempt to speak up for himself against the condescension, because he knows, in his heart of hearts beneath the front of Christian apologia and the self-convincing, that he cannot, that the condescension is spot-on and deserved.

[@neorich59]

This whole notion of "separation," is just as cruel as the hell fire and brimstone proposition. Imagine a person "separated" from God, while the rest of his/her family, friends etc are up in Heaven for eternity, knowing full well that their loved one will spend eternity apart from them. What are they going to do; will they be impressed with God and start whooping it up?!

[@diannanagelvoortsaltz469]

Well Anthony can’t get new followers if he spends too much time on He’ll…

[@guybrush1701]

I hate how they try to smooth hell over as "eternal separation from God". 1: NOWHERE in the bible is that EVER said; it's ENTIRELY made up, and 2: shame on you for attempting to make hell seem like it's not that bad.

[@joecoolioness6399]

I asked my mother if she goes to heaven would she know I am not there? She said no, because that would make me sad and there is no sadness in heaven. So I asked her would god make a fake me to put in heaven so she would think I was there or would he change her to make her believe I never existed? Either way, it would be a lie. She didn't have an answer and just did what she always does, says that is a good question son.

[@yesitsme8702]

Another double stranded pretzel 🥨

[@omnius1357]

If "chosing" not to love the christian god results in eternal seperation from him, Hell yeah, I'm fine!

[@asyetundetermined]

A Christian who has made a god of himself and believes to have access to the “one true interpretation” of scripture? How rare and refreshing. This NEVER happens.

[@nuclearsimian3281]

Worship me or be tortured for eternity is a threat, not a motivation. I reject religion, mysticism, and supernatural ideas in any and all forms. Including his "true" Christianity.

[@BrokeTheSeal]

Christianity is being in an abusive relationship where you defend the abuser

[@tonyedward6909]

Sounds like the oppressive state of israel oh wait ☧ is judaism 2.0. 😂

[@dalegregg8455]

I was loving my neighbors at least once a week for several years but my wife found out.

[@joshcapshaw266]

At first Anthony annoyed me. I found myself feeling sorry for him as the call went on. I used to be in the same mindset. Its an awful place to be.

[@joels5150]

Anthony just called in to say, “You’re wrong (for being athiests), every other Christian is wrong (because they don’t believe the perfect version of Christianity), and I’m special because only I truly understand the teachings of Jesus (which I actually have zero direct experience of). Mmmmkay… On the most basic level, his argument is that, “it’s loving to damn your children to suffer if they don’t love/worship you”. Anthony…demanding love by imposing conditions or ultimatums is not Love. That’s an extremely unhealthy outlook to have. I sure hope you don’t have children, but if you do, treat them more compassionately than your God would. JFC…

[@john211murphy]

No person who does not have a child under their care can agree with the caller. To take care of a child commits you to that child. The very notion of demanding "Love" from this child is INSANE. It is IMPOSSIBLE to CHOOSE to love.

[@jerometaperman7102]

It's basically "Love me or I'll kill you". Okay, okay, I love you already. That ain't love. That's perverse.

[@2l84me8]

“They aren’t “real christians”, unlike me!” -Every christain ever.

[@Specialeffecks]

"True Christianity is...nobody has an accurate understanding".

[@keeleycarrigan]

OMG Seth’s voice. Yes please

[@TooCringeToAssociateWith]

"But Jesus says......"

[@jimjohnson3349]

It's not necessary to believe in Jesus, but you must believe in Jesus.

[@areid5907]

The tooth fairy will punish you if you don't believe in the tooth fairy....LOL

[@David-j8v5p]

Yes similar to that in a way if it was the same thing

[@zachio69]

The caller lied when he indicated loving God is not a commandment. What else is he gonna lie about? If you view God as a father you enter an abusive relationship with your heavenly father because he won't be there when you need him.

[@terrencelockett4072]

What if the harm is caused from trying to push Christian ideas on someone? It's just too vague when people just say "we should love everyone". What people think love is, especially when it comes to "everyone", isn't the same for everyone.

[@richardblue9139]

This call is a prime example of the need and the efficacy of peer review. It's great to come up with a "this is the right way" idea. But if it doesn't stand to scrutiny, it shouldn't be accepted as the actual right way.

[@Terminal.Rainbows]

LOL you can't criticize my religion because nobody follows it properly!! brilliant!!

[@MisterRorschach90]

This guy actually thinks that it’s okay to not provide shelter to a child if the child does not love the parent. He believes in this so strongly that he actually made a point to scoff at the idea that the hosts correctly believed the opposite. This is straight up abusive behavior. This is why lgbtq people have such a high rate of you know what. Because of people like this.

[@billybobwombat2231]

First four commandments tell you all you need to know, love me or I'll hurt you bad.

[@chrishirst671]

How do these people not see just how abhorrent their fantasies are.

[@kellywilliam3708]

I love when they close by "Let me recap, just to be clear, that I didn't understand anything you said" lol

[@iAtheist4Life]

😂

[@ArcaneNemesis]

Is it worth believing in Christianity? Not until you prove it to be true.

[@MagiRemmie]

Even if it were true I would argue it isn't worth caring about.

[@ArcaneNemesis]

​@@MagiRemmie True enough. I'd believe it were true if it was proven true. Outside of that I probably wouldn't be Christian.

[@MagiRemmie]

@@ArcaneNemesis I also would believe it if it was true. I still would be saying the same thing about how horrible it is, though.

[@joshuaf.3723]

If it was true, I might care even MORE about being an anti-​theist @@MagiRemmie

[@MagiRemmie]

@@joshuaf.3723 TRUE

[@nickguy8037]

16:13 at least to this point I have to give Anthony props. He is asked yes or no questions and he gives clear yes or no answers.

[@mhoppy6639]

Anthony has obvs not heard of or has any experience of unconditional love. If he’s lucky enough to have kids he will realise this. A woefully emotionally immature caller.

[@FrankenpantsYT]

Unlucky for the kids to have a father like this

[@Nathan-jq1uw]

That's what I thought. His arguments came across as rather silly, in my opinion.

[@ona512]

He should go to therapy before kids. Not mentally ready to care for them at all

[@Wasyashock]

Love is always conditional except that of a mother for a child (sometimes)

[@mhoppy6639]

@@Wasyashock yes, I was referring to parental love - nothing prepares you for the intensity of feelings that you have for your children but I do recognise that there’s something very special about the relationship between a child and their mum. Edit- cases such as Diane Downs do provide notable exceptions to this but the vast majority of cases adhere to the norm.

[@alanrosenthal6323]

Amazing. Anthony is the one and only true Christian. He starts by saying that nobody else is doing it right. Praise be Anthony.

[@0Fyrebrand0]

Every time it's pointed out how sick and twisted it is that God would torture anybody forever in Hell, they come up with this weaksauce "Hell is just sEPaRaTioN FrOM gOd" excuse, and say that it's our choice to go there. Baloney. I choose right now, I don't want to go to Hell. In fact, I don't even know where it is, how could I go there even if I wanted to? The only way I am going to wind up in Hell is if God puts me there. And if all it is, is separation from God, well... okay. Near as I can tell, I'm separated from God right now. Wasn't I separated from God for the billions of years before I was born? Is that what I'm going to go back to? Simply not existing? Or is God going to purposefully keep me around in some sort of conscious state of suffering? And what will be the reason for that? For God's entertainment? For everybody in Heaven to look down on me and laugh? Or to reassure themselves "Boy, it sure is good I obeyed God, or that would have been me down there."

[@creativepseudonym9872]

Huzzah! We have found the true Scotsman. Now I'll finally learn how to eat porridge.

[@yinYangMountain]

God’s love - real or a threat? This may be one of those Distinctions without a Difference.

[@DayLateGamerWill]

Its not forced? God commands it! Thats like me saying "kiss this pigeon, and love it, or I'll break your legs"

[@philipgrobler7253]

Who said this: "If all the Xtians vanished who called other Xtians not a true Xtian, there will be no Xtians left"?