Is Homeopathy Fake?

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The Poetry of Reality with Richard Dawkins

The Poetry of Reality with Richard Dawkins

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@jesusborda2904
@jesusborda2904 8 ай бұрын
I think you both summarise it beautifully, "we are self indulging". I dont even want to imagine how its like to live in a society without science, doctors or vaccines. Greetings from Madrid and congratulations for your program.😊
@SirNecro
@SirNecro 8 ай бұрын
I heard it put best by a scientist. They said back in the middle ages before the industrial revolution when all of the rivers ran clean, there was no air pollution and people did not eat processed food full of artificial preservatives because they simply did not exist, in those times the average age expectancy was 31 years. Today despite all of those things being a reality our average life expectancy is in the mid 80s. Believe in science people!!
@Betleyman_7
@Betleyman_7 8 ай бұрын
I suspect one reason average life expectancy was so low in the middle ages was that infant mortality was high and young women died as a result of childbirth. This, of course, does not detract from the argument just adds some explanation.
@SirNecro
@SirNecro 8 ай бұрын
@@Betleyman_7 All moot points. We still have a high infant death rate. There are still women dying in childbirth. We still have food poverty in large swathes of the planet. It called an average because it's just that, when you look at the fact that there's 8 billion people living today opposed to the less than 1 billion then , the averages play.
@stauffap
@stauffap 8 ай бұрын
No, please don't just "blieve" in science. Get educated enough about it to understand how usefull it is in terms of discovering what our world actually looks like. And that by understanding our world we can also be safer and potentially have better lives.
@hundredfireify
@hundredfireify 8 ай бұрын
​@@stauffapthank you very much for this. 'belief' in science shouldn't be a thing. Learn it, understand it, embrace its principles. It makes sense, you don't have to believe it to accept it
@granthurlburt4062
@granthurlburt4062 8 ай бұрын
@@Betleyman_7You're quite right. If you have a pop wherein 50% die by age 2 and 50% by age 60, AVERAGE life expectancy is 30! Aver life expectanc of 30 doesnt mean everyone keels over at 30!
@Fireworxs2012
@Fireworxs2012 8 ай бұрын
*As a former critical healthcare provider, I found this essential and relevant. Everyone facing a life altering health event should sit down and watch this interview...NEVER be afraid to ask for a 2nd or even a 3rd opinion...YOU are your own best advocate... That said, whoever is running that camera shouldn't be allowed to do it anymore*
@Folkstone1957
@Folkstone1957 8 ай бұрын
Great discussion & I’m glad they both knew when to be both quite serious as well as appropriately humorous.
@julessherman9964
@julessherman9964 8 ай бұрын
As a retired Oncologist, I applaud this interview which clearly describes the need and successes of evidence based medicine.
@karagi101
@karagi101 8 ай бұрын
This is an excellent doctor. Very learned. Someone I could trust my care to.
@justine1737
@justine1737 8 ай бұрын
I hate so much that homeopathy products are now boxed to look like regular cold care products and on the same shelf on our grocery store shelves in the pharmacy isle!
@gstrathmore194
@gstrathmore194 8 ай бұрын
Me too!
@Jessuo
@Jessuo 8 ай бұрын
How the hell is that legal?!
@cameroncameron2826
@cameroncameron2826 8 ай бұрын
Clearly you do not need an intellectual fraud master to help you feel hate you otherwise shall not have. And cheer up you'll be a total bigot like him eventually
@heronymoustosh2314
@heronymoustosh2314 8 ай бұрын
In Australia we even sell homeopathy in pharmacies - it’s made me lose confidence in a pharmacist’s advice. Profit rules, obviously.
@M-i-k-a-e-l
@M-i-k-a-e-l 8 ай бұрын
Try them! They are most powerful.
@sugarmouse3555
@sugarmouse3555 8 ай бұрын
As a forty three year old woman with life long Rheumatoid arthritis I have had everyone and their goldfish tell me their “cure.” If I had a fiver for every time I have politely listened to that shite…. I just worry about the people who do believe. Charles has sent letters urging the NHS to pay for homeopathy but the NHS can’t afford treatments that help. I can’t access regular physiotherapy which isn’t a cure but can considerably improve quality of life.
@rogerkearns8094
@rogerkearns8094 8 ай бұрын
Hopefully, HRH's present medical problem will help to concentrate his mind on what sort of treatment is really most likely to work.
@ellie698
@ellie698 8 ай бұрын
Same here with an incurable autoimmune disease. They just don't get what it is like living with a chronic illness
@dogwithwigwamz.7320
@dogwithwigwamz.7320 8 ай бұрын
I was once a Registered General Nurse ( RGN ) and now - at the age of sixty and suffering increasing pain over the last 5 years or so - have been diagnosed by radio imaging as suffering from End Stage Avascular Osteonecrosis, which essentially means that my pelvis and both left and righ hip joints are dead due to a lack of blood supply. "End Stage" meaning it`s as bad as things get - so I was told when I asked ! I began to suffer extreme pain about 4 years ago upon which I consulted my GP. He ordered a blood test which upon assay showed raised blood - uric acid levels. He therefore diagnosed gout and prescribed me various medicines in order to lower the blood - uric acid osmolarity. Since then I have been diagnosed with the said avascular necrosis of my pelvis and both hips. I`ve been fortunate enough to have had my left hip replaced at a private hospital ( but paid for by the NHS - I can`t afford hip replacement surgery ) and have a date upon which I shall have my right hip replacement surgery. After that I shall be asking questions of my Doctor how gout turned into end stage avascular osteonecropathy ! I`m not knocking mechanistic biology nor mechanictic pharmacology. I`m knocking the GP Surgeries that have become Limited Companies.
@alanclark639
@alanclark639 8 ай бұрын
I've reached 74 now and have suffered ( that's the word!) from arthritis for at least thirty years. I think the biggest problem with is the fact that most people write it off as something their old granny complained of when it rained - how I HATE that one!!! We are all what? 90%+ water - yet a little bit more falling from the sky is responsible for half crippling me? Bog off why don't you! I once attended a whole series of "investigations" run by University College Hospital and here's the first laugh - I was sitting in a room of forty people all with the same appointment time - when "MRS SCROGGINS" was called - an old dear a few seats away, got up and sprinted in as if she was auditioning for U.K.SPORTS - after sitting for more than a few minutes, I had to be very careful how I stood or I'd end up falling down. When I did eventually see a surgeon - he stuck a flipping big needle in each of my swollen knees and let the fluid drain on the floor. As you might imagine - I gasped a bit, to which he quizzed " Oh you can stand that can't you Old Man, big chap like you?" Well, yes Sir, I can but I'm wondering how I'm going to get back to Oxford Circus station etc., etc, to get home "Oh" says he, quite taken aback "you didn't come by ambulance then?" This is the kind of thing I regularly came up against. After a lot of completely useless "consulting" I was put on an injectable drug - Embrel - (very expensive! All praise due to the NHS.) It's about fifty times more controversial than all the Covid antivax nonesense you've ever heard but - for me - it's been FLIPPING MAGIC! Turned the clock back ten years.
@skipinkoreaable
@skipinkoreaable 8 ай бұрын
Very interesting. I wonder how Embrel works. I'll have to look it up.
@LysanderLH
@LysanderLH 8 ай бұрын
I now live in France. Homeopathy (as well as many other quack nonsenses) is packaged,marketed and sold by pharmacists…. in pharmacies… along side medicines. This conflation, has lead French people to treat Homeopathic sugar pills like real medicines and not the overpriced lies that they are.
@DruMusica
@DruMusica 8 ай бұрын
Yet in France it seems things are slowly moving in a good direction, since the government recently stopped reimbursing homeopathic treatments.
@LysanderLH
@LysanderLH 8 ай бұрын
@@DruMusica While this is true, Homeoquackery is in the collective consciousness and unless people are told it’s a sugar pill scam, they won’t find out by themselves and it will continue to be sold. There is also a massive anti big pharma, anti vax…anti reality movement in France who demand equal respect for their nonsense, as sane people enjoy.
@veronicaroy1766
@veronicaroy1766 7 ай бұрын
French people pride themselves in being non superstitious and dedicated to clear logic, but their addiction to quack medicine like homeopathy absolutely disproves this conceit.
@barbaragemin5117
@barbaragemin5117 8 ай бұрын
This was a wonderful video. I was transfixed. Michael Baum is brilliant and very articulate , as you are Doctor Dawkins, and with a large dose of empathy. Every time I go to a pharmacy my eye goes to the homeopathy section, hoping it’s been removed. I leave disappointed and angry. When will the public see reason?
@colinhiggs70
@colinhiggs70 8 ай бұрын
39:53 There's real sadness there as Prof. Baum contemplates the consequences. I enjoyed this interview. I thought Prof. Baum's arguments were well put, both in logical terms and compassionate ones. I'd be happy to get behind his approach to countering alternative medicine arguments. If there are any good alternative medicines out there, let's do the work to turn them into just medicine. Otherwise abandon them.
@stefg587
@stefg587 8 ай бұрын
❤ epidemiology. It should be taught in schools.
@evr67bb
@evr67bb 8 ай бұрын
No...simple logic should have the same effect.
@granthurlburt4062
@granthurlburt4062 8 ай бұрын
They'd need to understand basic stats first, and therefore algebra and a bit of geometry.
@chocopuddingcup83
@chocopuddingcup83 8 ай бұрын
I don't remember who said it, but homeopathy is the equivalent of putting an Aspirin into Lake Michigan, stirring up the entire lake, and then drinking a glass of water out of it when you have a headache and see if it helps.
@kascally
@kascally 8 ай бұрын
Unless it turned out something in the waters of Lake Michigan itself had a therapeutic effect.
@wendyandrew3707
@wendyandrew3707 8 ай бұрын
I heard its more diluted than tapwater. Someone sincerely and convincingly recommended homeopathy for my asthmatic son. I'd never heard of it. The waiting room, white coat, consideration and pills carried me on for a short while. I investigated, wondering why this wonderful thing was not widely available, but quickly found it out and dumped it, appalled.
@markcromwell1975
@markcromwell1975 7 ай бұрын
Half an aspirin in the Pacific ocean
@harrypalmer3481
@harrypalmer3481 8 ай бұрын
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you Gentlemen for this excellent discussion. I am desperate to hear rational statements in a seemingly ever increasing deafening noise of nonsense. Thank you.
@theoutspokenhumanist
@theoutspokenhumanist 8 ай бұрын
An excellent video allowing a respected medical profressional to higlight the many issues behind, so called, alternative remedies. I was particularly impressed by the way he was obviously upset at some things and not cold and calculating.
@MissRaggsy
@MissRaggsy 8 ай бұрын
I have found that homeopathy and 'alternative' medicine tend to work best on people who don't actually have anything wrong with them, and for those people, they work exceptionally well.
@Arthera0
@Arthera0 8 ай бұрын
to add to that it takes credit for the hard work your own body does.
@jaroslav-6027
@jaroslav-6027 8 ай бұрын
Clean drinking water and good hygiene standards are probably the most important.
@Jgp4xzdmqnmil
@Jgp4xzdmqnmil 8 ай бұрын
Placebo power of suggestion only. It never works for those who see through it.
@Wol747
@Wol747 8 ай бұрын
What an excellent discussion! I can remember vividly telling me grandson fifty years ago to think for himself, not to accept as facts things just because he sees things in print and so on. ( I’m not involved in science in any way except by being interested) but sadly I think I failed to make my point. At least he’s not religious!
@DodicekTruc
@DodicekTruc 8 ай бұрын
I´m gladly reminded of how stimulating and comforting experience is to even listen to the conversation of other people every single day! The other day, I was describing the HEUREKA moment and associeted feelings and the overall expierience to someone and I realised that most people will never have that true, impacting, life changing, cathartic and owerwhelming experience of true understanding and comprehension. That´s why there always be some people that find studying, investigating and acquiring some or more knowledge just for the curiosity itself stupid. I honestly pitty those people and wish them well. Anyway... What a wonderful pleasure it was for me, to just listen your very potent and fruitful conversation! Thank You very much, gentlemen! Cheers!
@bhupindertube
@bhupindertube 8 ай бұрын
I listened on Spotify but had to come to KZbin to say this is one of the best podcasts I've ever heard. People like Dr. Dawkins should be dominating the podcast world. Please make more podcasts on health, science & psychology. Thanks!
@robthompson6883
@robthompson6883 8 ай бұрын
This guy is brilliant. Everyone should watch this.
@rogerkearns8094
@rogerkearns8094 8 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, 'the algorithm' ensures that only those already on board will watch it.
@Jgp4xzdmqnmil
@Jgp4xzdmqnmil 8 ай бұрын
Why should everyone just because youre bowled over. Z
@rogerkearns8094
@rogerkearns8094 8 ай бұрын
@@Jgp4xzdmqnmil Dear little chap.
@stevenrobinsonpictures
@stevenrobinsonpictures 8 ай бұрын
This was excellent, especially the anecdote from Baum about his encounter with "alternative" medicine.
@wendyandrew3707
@wendyandrew3707 8 ай бұрын
I know I agree with the views expressed in these podcasts so for years haven't touched base with them, but I now find it necessary to return and actually hear them expressed again in such depth and detail in this current climate of irrationality. Im appreciating you all over again Richard. You are much needed for the younger generation as well and I will be recommending these podcasts to all sorts of people I know in the hope some of them will find conscious faith in this golden age of progress whilst at the same time appreciation for it is being eroded by total cynicism of achievements in science and a lot of other western developments.
@gailascari
@gailascari 8 ай бұрын
It's due to vaccines and antibiotics that have given humans long lives today. This must be emphasized! The gift of science.
@victorjcano
@victorjcano 8 ай бұрын
Clean, portable water and proper human waste disposal has a lot to do with it as well
@markcromwell1975
@markcromwell1975 8 ай бұрын
If homeopathy worked it would cease being alternate and be medical science.
@speedingatheist
@speedingatheist 8 ай бұрын
@@ConontheBinarian Nonsense. If it survived testing, pharma could NOT keep it from the market. As you don't need ANY tests for side effects, it would be dirt cheap medicine. In reality, it has no side effects because it has NO effect.
@Johan-bb4sy
@Johan-bb4sy 2 ай бұрын
Nope, the problem is that it is harder to reach consensus on homeopathy in the medical community, comparing to reaching consensus on 'regular' medications. There are actually a lot of academically trained medical doctors in regular medicine, that later became homeopaths. These people aren't exactly dumb. I understand that homeopathy is hard to understand on first sight. So I would say, it is not yet gone from alternative to mainstream medical science. Homeopathy can really have a wonderful impact on the population's health. It's a shame it is discarded so much.
@AUTUMN-DARK
@AUTUMN-DARK 8 ай бұрын
I quit a job at Holland and Barrat for selling these and making me up sell them too.
@oijans
@oijans 8 ай бұрын
The same discussion could easily be made for Lightning Process study in Norway that takes aim to cure ME/CFS. Health authorities and politicians are easily fooled in our country.
@Andrea-zm1nl
@Andrea-zm1nl 8 ай бұрын
It is not about destroying the belief system of homeopathic believers..... It should be about changing the laws so that these "healers" can no longer scam anyone out of money because they are no longer allowed to opperate a business selling homeopathic remedies.
@lalithgunaratne1620
@lalithgunaratne1620 8 ай бұрын
Instead of two people who agree that homeopathy does not work confirm their beliefs it would be better if Dr. Dawkins spoke to a few homeopathy practitioners and life time users of homeopathy.....and had a good debate on it...
@Miss_an100
@Miss_an100 8 ай бұрын
Yes. What are they afraid of? Actually helping people or themselves heal without the half-poisons they so heavily rely on? The fact that homeopathy has worked on plants, animals and babies is proof enough for me, if the actual physical ailments disappearing in mine and my family’s bodies weren’t enough somehow.
@lalithgunaratne1620
@lalithgunaratne1620 8 ай бұрын
Our family - 4 kids grew up on homeopathy and ayurveda and very little allopathy and we are all a healthy family - they are in their late 20s to early 30s now with great immunity....so far ..so it is a lifestyle for us as we have learned about our bodies, mind and wellness and well-being in a holistic way of living...realizing how profit driven the industry is....and good to be open minded to choices ..so we take personal responsibility for our health and well-being...
@Miss_an100
@Miss_an100 8 ай бұрын
@@lalithgunaratne1620 3rd leading cause of death in the US are medical errors. I’m supposed to be insane like them and follow “doctor’s orders”? It’s clear who the fools are and it is unfortunate that it is this way. Their savior and religion is big pharma and their minions yet they are being poisoned by them slowly. Sometimes, very fast.
@sumedhvaidya468
@sumedhvaidya468 7 ай бұрын
​@@lalithgunaratne1620ayurveda is different
@martinbennett2228
@martinbennett2228 8 ай бұрын
A sane discussion. I would like to see legislation that not only ensures that remedies (tested or not tested) have to specify active ingredients and their amounts but requires remedies without active ingredients to specify: Active Ingredients - none.
@jtdavis6937
@jtdavis6937 8 ай бұрын
I agree that this is a precise and definitive treatment of the topic, including with the recognition that many people into homeopathy and alternative medicine are often well-meaning, but the methodology is at fault, even if some aspects can result in promising outcomes due to closer attention to individual circumstances, and I'd add, thinking outside the box, aspects that conventional medicine sometimes fails at. My issue also is with snake-oil salesmen who deliberately take advantage of vulnerable or desperate people. Although there has been some improvement since this was made, regulatory standards are still to some extent inadequate in that regard.
@granthurlburt4062
@granthurlburt4062 8 ай бұрын
It's not the methodology, it is the entire underlying principles. They just dont work no matter what the "methodology".
@Amy-ky5wr
@Amy-ky5wr 8 ай бұрын
I love his final comment. Truth is infinitely more beautiful than any hocum. He didn't use quite those words but was that basic idea expanded upon with measured passion and it was so clear he felt it intensely.
@veronicaroy1766
@veronicaroy1766 7 ай бұрын
I enjoyed this "episode" of your podcast series so much it brought tears to my eyes. If only this could be brought to more people .
@martinrady
@martinrady 8 ай бұрын
Thanks
@BohemianRaichu
@BohemianRaichu 8 ай бұрын
He is fabulous.
@kascally
@kascally 8 ай бұрын
Good discussion. It would be more easy to concentrate on the words if the person operating the camera could desist from using the zoom control on a random basis.
@Dalisu87
@Dalisu87 8 ай бұрын
What a jolly good exchange of ideas.
@TheAverageGuy12
@TheAverageGuy12 8 ай бұрын
I spent 8 months being holistically treated by my mum's mumbo jumbo homeopathic doctor before I went into hospital for a year with a serious illness. To be fair, the homeopath suggested I see a doctor in the end🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Johan-bb4sy
@Johan-bb4sy 2 ай бұрын
I was treated 6 months by a homeopath and it healed my OCD. So I think it is fair to say not everyone has the same experiences.
@justsome-guy7596
@justsome-guy7596 8 ай бұрын
[satire mode on] - I once took one drop of beer and dput it into a pint of water.... and drank four of these concoctions one after the other. Never been so drunk in my life! [satire mode off]
@Jgp4xzdmqnmil
@Jgp4xzdmqnmil 8 ай бұрын
Imagine a GP giving homeopathy for vaginal thrush. It happened. He charged quite a bit for 3 visits thar did nothing. Fortunately another GP gave something effective.
@Miss_an100
@Miss_an100 8 ай бұрын
Imagine not needing antibiotics for my 7 year old’s UTI. No cranberry juice, just homeopathy. An overnight hault in symptoms after a few doses. And this was not a one off. Don’t know what happened in your situation beside a poor choice of homeopathic meds, but in my experience caregiving for 5 people as well as myself for over 10 years now, I have replaced the doctor and antibiotics for most everything but traumatic injuries. Even those situations have remedies that aid in healing along with proper acute care and dressings.
@scarba
@scarba 3 ай бұрын
@@Miss_an100if this were the case we would all be doing it.
@0Linerider0forever0
@0Linerider0forever0 8 ай бұрын
So good.
@JADES-GS-z13-0
@JADES-GS-z13-0 Ай бұрын
At 39:55 he really got emotional
@skipinkoreaable
@skipinkoreaable 8 ай бұрын
What a brilliant interview.
@shivkumarmohite4672
@shivkumarmohite4672 2 ай бұрын
My personal experience on five occasions with homoeopathic medicines is, it worked but is slow acting and in some cases, extremely slow acting. I once had warts all over my head and I was given just two doses of homoeopathic pills. About eight months later, the Warts started coming off one fine morning. About thirty of them fell off within an hour. Formation of new warts had stopped in about a month after I took those two doses.
@kdgeckoknits274
@kdgeckoknits274 4 ай бұрын
A friend believes in the anecdotal. That's all the evidence she needs, she once told me. After she had a minor health incident that required "Western" treatment, her "alternative doctor" told her to keep with the Western doctors until treatment was finalized. After that, the alternative person said, I'll get your system cleansed and balanced. What a load of #$%^ Humans are an interesting creature.
@ashalkaish
@ashalkaish 8 ай бұрын
For once there was someone matching the brilliance of Richard Dawkins. Enlightened.
@honeyj8256
@honeyj8256 8 ай бұрын
Hello, wish you would interview Simon Conway Morris. Thank you
@paulcontursi5982
@paulcontursi5982 8 ай бұрын
I have absolutely no idea how anyone with the most rudimentary knowledge of basic chemistry could believe that homeopathy is anything but a scam.
@JR-st3mp
@JR-st3mp 8 ай бұрын
Spend a few days in Ashland, Or. everyone there is a naturopath and everyone questions evidence based medicine. Its no different than religion
@hansweichselbaum2534
@hansweichselbaum2534 7 ай бұрын
Excellent discussion! I would have given it a different title, though. Great lesson in philosophy of science.
@georgegeorge9793
@georgegeorge9793 8 ай бұрын
I would be grateful for the reference to the Lancet article that you referred to. I could only find a 1997 paper.
@quasarsupernova9643
@quasarsupernova9643 8 ай бұрын
Most of the the alternative medicines that work are regular medicines that are repacked as alternative. Some notable exceptions are traditional therapies of ancient societies that are repacked by pharmaceutical companies as regular medicines. So in the the end whatever cures me is good enough.
@karagi101
@karagi101 8 ай бұрын
But how do you know the medicine cured you or that your body managed to fight off whatever you had on its own? Or how do you know an well tested and approved medicine would have done the job better? Personal experience is not evidence. You are a sample size of one in an uncontrolled experiment.
@granthurlburt4062
@granthurlburt4062 8 ай бұрын
That's nonsense. alternative medicines are NOT regular medicines. "Therapies"? If some medicine of traditional societies worked,it'd become part of rregular medicine. Altternative medicines dont cure. That is much of what they are saying!
@aladinfox4098
@aladinfox4098 7 ай бұрын
No mention of some of the dubious activities by the World Health Organisation but a great interview for all that.
@karlyohe6379
@karlyohe6379 7 ай бұрын
As much as I respect the scientific process, I no more need a medical researcher to prove to me that homeopathy is nonsense, than I need a mathematician to prove to me that adding one to one equals anything other than two. Nonetheless, a great guest, strikes me as a throwback to the days of the British gentleman.
@ihatespam2
@ihatespam2 4 ай бұрын
But didn’t you hear, 1x1 now equals 2!!!
@anndwyer8617
@anndwyer8617 8 ай бұрын
It's water ! ! !
@robstorms
@robstorms 8 ай бұрын
thanks !!!
@miguelurdaci7884
@miguelurdaci7884 8 ай бұрын
But some medicines now included as complimentary were one considered alternative, decades before they were proven to work.
@Jgp4xzdmqnmil
@Jgp4xzdmqnmil 8 ай бұрын
COMPLemENTARY. Complimentary is a word meaning an entirely different meaning.
@michaelmcgovern7139
@michaelmcgovern7139 8 ай бұрын
@@Jgp4xzdmqnmil Well, typos happen, especially on a phone text pad. But "a word meaning an entirely different meaning"? Tut tut. That should be "a word WITH an entirely different meaning" or "a word meaning something else entirely" or similar.
@ManojGhosh-gi1gb
@ManojGhosh-gi1gb 8 ай бұрын
Please make something specific and crisp as well so that lazy people like us also can get it and go through 🙏.
@granthurlburt4062
@granthurlburt4062 8 ай бұрын
This couldnt be any crisper. You can listen to it several times if it's not clear on first listening. Reality can be complicated!. No point in simplifying it so much it means nothing.
@Amy-ky5wr
@Amy-ky5wr 8 ай бұрын
Sometimes I listen to these while doing something else like cooking or washing up or other chores. You can just let it run and listen and get on with your day, you don't strictly have to watch and concentrate on the images for an hour.
@TheKos2Kos
@TheKos2Kos 7 ай бұрын
Awewome dialogue
@kalervolatoniittu2011
@kalervolatoniittu2011 8 ай бұрын
We don't want the boring scientific approach..it's just not some-sexy for us ignorant masses
@Jake-sj4oj
@Jake-sj4oj 8 ай бұрын
It's not a fraud...the fact is dosage and frequency ladies and gents a bit like um......
@Jake-sj4oj
@Jake-sj4oj 8 ай бұрын
NO WAY! To eliminate bias it means to believe after death an eternity whether you think it is true or not, we all die and no one lives normally forever...
@vinegar10able
@vinegar10able 8 ай бұрын
Thank you. A very important and interesting video
@juwelmd4811
@juwelmd4811 14 күн бұрын
Good
@colin_a
@colin_a 8 ай бұрын
A great discussion...👍. People should be applying these arguments to the Climate Alarmisum...😐
@fattyz1
@fattyz1 6 ай бұрын
Yes it’s fake like chiropractic but I’m just trying to live comfortably enough before I die without falling into the hands of the doctors, who make money cutting you up on your way out.
@steve112285
@steve112285 8 ай бұрын
I'd be interested to hear Dr. Baum's take on the influence of money in medicine. If a company stands to gain tens of billions of dollars from a treatment, while alternative treatments exist which are alleged to be similarly or more effective, safer based on decades of evidence, and dirt cheap, which will win out in the short term or long term? It may differ based on the country, but media, research organizations, and regulatory agencies can hypothetically be captured by corporations.
@granthurlburt4062
@granthurlburt4062 8 ай бұрын
BUT the alternative treatments ARE NOT effective, & they;re only safe because they do nothing!
@perhagman6112
@perhagman6112 8 ай бұрын
If homeopathy has no effect, why are people practicing it and why are other people seeking to be treated by it? Are there any studies done that explore this? Has it been established that homeopathy is merely a belief system much like a religious or political belief wirh no added value except the shared beliefs? The actual practice to determine and administer one remedy or another has no real effect? What about people who are treated with homeopathic remedies without believing in it (much like a patient who is prescribed a pharmaceutical and has no faith in the effect but takes it anyway)? Is the homeopathic remedies offered to be considered only as extermal manifestations of the belief system, without actual ability to influence the human body one way or the other?
@MrPedur
@MrPedur 8 ай бұрын
If homeopathy is real, a booger must be a beneficial pill.
@Jake-sj4oj
@Jake-sj4oj 8 ай бұрын
but ideas do!
@babusastry
@babusastry 8 ай бұрын
The acid test for medical treatment for me IS, is such treatment taught at acredited universities. Of the world! Homeopathy is no, period.
@littlewitch2175
@littlewitch2175 8 ай бұрын
Homeopathy has and continues to work for me
@Andrea-zm1nl
@Andrea-zm1nl 8 ай бұрын
I see by your screen name that you are probably pagan.....the placebo effect is not now nor has it ever been the same as a thing actually working.... My wife is pagan and we go through this all the time.... Homeopathic remedies do not actually work, if they did they would work for everyone not just witches. I'm sorry but that is reality.
@Dr.Ian-Plect
@Dr.Ian-Plect 8 ай бұрын
On what basis do you conclude that?
@Amy-ky5wr
@Amy-ky5wr 8 ай бұрын
Just curious what you use it for? How does it help?
@bjh7924
@bjh7924 7 ай бұрын
Placebos don't work for everyone, however...
@joannaslabon2021
@joannaslabon2021 3 ай бұрын
I had no belief or either understanding of homeopathy. For me still it was like drinking water. Couldn't wrap my head around it but tried it for few months and it worked. Alternatively to that I had a choice of taking non steroid drugs that was only relieving the symptoms and had side effects. I don't know if we should assume that all remedies will work same on every person. It really depends on person what kind of remedy will support their body. I specifically say " support " because it is not a cure or ultimate solution but merely a trigger that can or can't work with body's natural restorative process. Some will find chamomile tea to relieve stomach cramps, some will not. Plus getting back to health is complex process. It requires rest, mental strength, proper individual diet etc. We are complex beings. And neither one pill or one alternative health treatment is an answer to our health problems.
@jdenmark1287
@jdenmark1287 8 ай бұрын
Why yes, it is.
@SteveMcLynn
@SteveMcLynn 7 ай бұрын
Interesting to listen too, but it was like listening to two supporters of the same football club telling each other why their team is the best in the world
@Andrea-zm1nl
@Andrea-zm1nl 8 ай бұрын
Please do a video like this but on beauty products instead of homeopathic remedies. They are also a rip off across the industry and need to be debunked.
@octatonicgardenmarcospi4978
@octatonicgardenmarcospi4978 8 ай бұрын
He should interview Edzard Ernst
@--Snowy--
@--Snowy-- 8 ай бұрын
Hello
@kalervolatoniittu2011
@kalervolatoniittu2011 8 ай бұрын
MC UNREASONABLES,my new motorcycle gang
@yoshtg
@yoshtg 8 ай бұрын
25:01 not just the human body! its a feature of our universe that simplicity can create an almost infinite amount of complexity. we have 3 particles that if put together in different ratios create on our earth around 90 naturally occurring elements and mixing these 90 elements together in different ratios creates millions of different materials which if we put these materials together in different ways create an almost infinite amount of different objects
@0Linerider0forever0
@0Linerider0forever0 8 ай бұрын
20:03 Marriage A-la-Mode: 6, The Lady's Death.
@tony.h321
@tony.h321 8 ай бұрын
Interesting discussion. I personally don't see how it could work and have never tried to use it. But (anecdotally) my uncle swears by it and has been taking it most of his life, and must say, he is pretty damn healthy for an almost 90 year old. No idea if its actually thanks/due to the homeopathy. But there you go. I suspect he's just a robust old man with healthy habits, but I do wonder sometimes. It surprises me that it still hasn't been properly studied and conclusively proven/debunked.
@M-i-k-a-e-l
@M-i-k-a-e-l 8 ай бұрын
Homeopathy is a wonderful healing art.
@speedingatheist
@speedingatheist 8 ай бұрын
If water has a memory, how do you think about water closets?
@M-i-k-a-e-l
@M-i-k-a-e-l 8 ай бұрын
@@speedingatheist Life and life abundant. Constant movement, interconnection, communication.
@speedingatheist
@speedingatheist 8 ай бұрын
@@M-i-k-a-e-l I would have been shocked if your reply made any sense.
@Amy-ky5wr
@Amy-ky5wr 8 ай бұрын
So is it an art, like music or painting or dance, and makes you feel nice in the same way as those? Or what do you mean by it's an art? E.g Does it have artists? Do you have to put your personal flourish into the way you dilute, in the way a musician performs a trill or a dancer a twirl or a painter a swirl? Genuinely interested if you'd like to expand on your take on it.
@M-i-k-a-e-l
@M-i-k-a-e-l 8 ай бұрын
@@speedingatheist It does, oh it does, friend.
@mray8519
@mray8519 8 ай бұрын
Ask Steve Jobs about alternative medicine. This brilliant man died decades early thinking he knew more than thousands of doctors and untold number of universities.
@manduvaprasadrao5391
@manduvaprasadrao5391 8 ай бұрын
I used homeopathy for gout for 3 years..such a waste of money and time
@ehaaron
@ehaaron 7 ай бұрын
homeopathy works. it worked for me.
@ihatespam2
@ihatespam2 4 ай бұрын
Guess you didn’t watch this?
@vls3771
@vls3771 8 ай бұрын
I loved james randi lecture on this subject he swallows a hole bottle of homeopath sleeping pills on stage...hilarious 😅
@chriscrilly8807
@chriscrilly8807 8 ай бұрын
Would that your choice of eminent scientist guest were matched by your choice of camera operator.and picture editor. Amateur hour production values. The noticeable exception: a good sound recording.
@Amy-ky5wr
@Amy-ky5wr 8 ай бұрын
When you remember the purpose of the interview was for a TV documentary, to cut sections of maybe a few seconds to a minute or so to slot in among a whole bunch of other footage and images and voice-over, and wasn't originally meant for the current format of watching the full interview in one go, then the camera person did what they were meant to for the original purpose. If it's distracting then it's still excellent to just listen, you don't need to watch the screen for this one.
@Amy-ky5wr
@Amy-ky5wr 8 ай бұрын
I personally didn't find it distracting but yes it's not what we're used to seeing, polished final productions.
@markshepperson3603
@markshepperson3603 8 ай бұрын
James Randi did a good piece on homophy. Find that if you’re interested in a more brutal assessment of it.
@chrishowland6062
@chrishowland6062 8 ай бұрын
Oh an hour of two people talking common sense ,wisdom is pure bliss.please sir can I have some more? I live on my own and I talk to fewer and fewer people because I’ve become fed up with people talking bulshit, inaccuracies and straight up lies , I speak more with my border collie!! Of course he don’t speak English but I do understand dog. Woof.
@Miss_an100
@Miss_an100 8 ай бұрын
Does common sense include taking into great consideration observational studies of animals, plants and babies healing with homeopathy? Would it be accurate to say that these findings could not be placebo or all spontaneous occurrences?
@betzib8021
@betzib8021 8 ай бұрын
What is a charles
@kookamunga2458
@kookamunga2458 8 ай бұрын
I think he said trials and not charles.
@betzib8021
@betzib8021 8 ай бұрын
@@kookamunga2458 oh...sorry I guess i didn't catch the accent...I was wracking my brain...how clueless of me.
@rogerkearns8094
@rogerkearns8094 8 ай бұрын
Could be a supporter of homeopathy who happens to have big ears. ;)
@betzib8021
@betzib8021 8 ай бұрын
@@rogerkearns8094 ahhhh
@Amy-ky5wr
@Amy-ky5wr 8 ай бұрын
Might have meant Prince/now King Charles who apparently is into homeopathy.
@richtomlinson7090
@richtomlinson7090 8 ай бұрын
I'm going to go by a bottle of universal medicine, called purified water😅.
@Amy-ky5wr
@Amy-ky5wr 8 ай бұрын
You can actually get that medicine for free too, just without the plastic packaging. In fact it's delivered free and on demand to most homes.
@meahoola
@meahoola 8 ай бұрын
What do YOU think was worst... x Hitler x Sauerkraut x Homeopathy ... best regards and greetings from Germany
@sugarmouse3555
@sugarmouse3555 8 ай бұрын
Well I mean I’ve never tried Sauerkraut. Homeopathy is shit but….A similarity between Hitler and Homeopathy is that alone the ideas may have died out. It’s mass delusion that allows them to thrive. I don’t know 🤷🏻‍♀️ how that would apply to Sauerkraut.
@bazpearce9993
@bazpearce9993 8 ай бұрын
I thought sausage was wurst lol.
@DaveT383
@DaveT383 8 ай бұрын
​@@bazpearce9993😂
@corvus1238
@corvus1238 8 ай бұрын
It doesn't matter what I think. What do the randomised trials show?
@Amy-ky5wr
@Amy-ky5wr 8 ай бұрын
Hitler - evil Homeopathy - useless but not necessarily evil, though goes rogue if it distracts from seeking effective treatment for serious problems. Sauerkraut - potentially tasty condiment. Not everyone likes it, but it ever hurt anyone as far as I'm aware. Unless you're allergic to cabbage.
@ronaldmacpherson3345
@ronaldmacpherson3345 8 ай бұрын
Medicine alternative is like alternative psychology it does not represent the truth of what is being proposed
@quantumplastic
@quantumplastic 8 ай бұрын
🤩🤩
@steveblack3594
@steveblack3594 7 ай бұрын
Hello there, You're a very clever man Richard, I normally love watching your videos and learning a little bit. Except today, I'm very high... I happened to be looking at the back of your head at 20:13 when you said fabulous. It broke my brain because you clearly didn't say it. Please stop editing the conversation like this. All the best.
@ihatespam2
@ihatespam2 4 ай бұрын
Why not?
@areyoukiddingme5978
@areyoukiddingme5978 8 ай бұрын
Bro, is the camera man restarted? What are these angles?
@Dickmoreanus1
@Dickmoreanus1 8 ай бұрын
sadly, he's double blind
@codystephens2655
@codystephens2655 8 ай бұрын
His RAM was full so they restarted him
@Amy-ky5wr
@Amy-ky5wr 8 ай бұрын
When you remember the purpose of the interview was for a TV documentary, to cut sections of maybe a few seconds to a minute or so to slot in among a whole bunch of other footage and images and voice-over, and wasn't originally meant for the current format of watching the full interview in one go, then the camera person did what they were meant to for the original purpose. If it's distracting then it's still excellent to just listen, you don't need to watch the screen for this one.
@Amy-ky5wr
@Amy-ky5wr 8 ай бұрын
But also that's a horrible word to use, saying restarted is entirely equivalent to retarded it softens nothing of the meaning or intention.
@Amy-ky5wr
@Amy-ky5wr 8 ай бұрын
But also that's a horrible word to use, saying restarted is entirely equivalent to ret****d it softens nothing of the meaning or intention.
@rightmarker1
@rightmarker1 8 ай бұрын
Publication bias: see also the climate science ‘industry’ attitude to and treatment of climate scientists whose research and peer reviewed papers contradict the prevailing nostrums and narrative of the climate change catastrophists.
@granthurlburt4062
@granthurlburt4062 8 ай бұрын
Nonsense. Their papers have been discredited on their onw lack of merit. Homeopathy is the equivalent of climate change denial
@_HeathenChemistry_
@_HeathenChemistry_ 8 ай бұрын
The worst one is aromatherapy (smell yourself better) 😂😂😂. Billy conolly did a joke about it. Imagine you are in a car crash on the highway a horrendous 10 car pile up. Your laying there screaming help help! I need a doctor. Then through the smoke and carnage you hear "it's alright I'm here I'm an aromatherapest" 😂😂😂😂 crazy shit
@_HeathenChemistry_
@_HeathenChemistry_ 8 ай бұрын
@3amBaCh I know I know. 8 was just sharing a joke. It can be very calming. Lavander for example, 😊
@Amy-ky5wr
@Amy-ky5wr 8 ай бұрын
Aromatherapy can probably be considered one of the complementary treatments that aren't being criticised here, i.e. what makes you feel good, makes you feel good. Feeling good can improve well-being and thus strengthen the body's ability to defend or heal itself. Unless people are claiming it cures serious disease by itself, and recommend abandoning conventional medical treatments in favour of nice smells, then it would stray into the realm of the dreaded alternative medicine, which IS being strongly criticised here.
@jdmmg4904
@jdmmg4904 8 ай бұрын
👍🏽👍🏽
@eurwentrumper1946
@eurwentrumper1946 7 ай бұрын
Freud is a fraud 😂
@ihatespam2
@ihatespam2 4 ай бұрын
No, he was an early and very important explorer.
@michelangelope830
@michelangelope830 8 ай бұрын
Did you know the evolution of the species is not an argument against the creation of the universe by an intelligent entity? Atheism is the idea that the universe was not created by an intelligent entity defended without any arguments. The truth is atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is the religious idea of the creator of the creation to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. Atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is "sky daddy" to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. Ask yourself why atheists don't address the question "does God exist?", that means "was the universe created from an intelligent entity?". Atheists talk about religion as if debunking religion would make atheism true. If there is a subject atheists avoid like the devil from holy water is the kalam cosmological argument that proves logically God exists. What has a beginning of existence has a cause because from nothing can not be created something. Logically it is impossible the existence of an infinite number of causes and effects, therefore an eternal first uncaused cause that caused what has a beginning of existence must exist. Did you understand the argument? To understand God exists you have to understand reality is eternal because from nothing can not be created something. I think God is literally everything that exist past present and future. To end the war and other undesirable suffering the discovery that atheism is a logical fallacy has to be news. Share to collaborate. Thank you.
@karagi101
@karagi101 8 ай бұрын
Go take some homeopathic medicine. You’re the type if customer they like.
@jellslixcy6168
@jellslixcy6168 8 ай бұрын
Which God are you referring to?
@nealgrimes4382
@nealgrimes4382 8 ай бұрын
All of this is Strawmanning, Atheism is a lack of belief in a God/Gods and that is all it is. Most Atheists and Scientists don't believe something came from nothing. Please explain how not believing something can be a logical fallacy.
@Amy-ky5wr
@Amy-ky5wr 8 ай бұрын
I agree that part of the disagreement between atheists and theists is one of definition. You're right that the sky-dad idea of god is generally the one being rejected when atheists say they don't believe in god/s. But other potential definitions could please far more people. Personally I like the definition: "God is everything that exists, and can possibly exist, considered in it's entirety". If religious people's idea of their God is something less than that, they would need to concede they're worshipping a lesser entity. It's a way of looking at the universe in all its wonder, that scientists can explore as well as religious thinkers. The religious probably need to drop a lot of the old dogma that they cling onto largely out of habit or fear though, in favour of looking for the actual truth of things. I personally love truth. And "God" is just a word like any other, that needs a clear definition.
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