Is it fair to compare Joe Burrow to Tom Brady ahead of Week 15’s matchup? | NFL | SPEAK

[@SpeakOnFS1]

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[@sonikspeed19]

Brady so great, nobody is comparing QB's to Montana, Elway, Marino, Manning, etc anymore. They're only comparing QB's to Brady now. When Brady was coming up and winning, people would always compare him to Montana or say he's not the best yet cause of XYZ old QB. Now, people like Mahomes and Josh Allen and Burrow skip all these other incredible QB's (like Montana and Bradshaw and Marino) and directly get compared to Tom. Let these guys make their path and win some more first before crowning them the best. But I guess, just like when MJ left, the league needs a new "it man" to be the face of the league.

[@bpraise517]

She how Joy made her lane without football experience is what Acho is talking about...over her head...imo

[@joyce2680]

Also, the analysts under 40 didn't see or comprehend what Montana was doing. I'd like to see a show where all of these so called "personalities" compare each other to Cosell, Dandy Don Merideth, Madden & Pat, etc. They would have to shut up!!

[@newagain9964]

Bruh. No one (respectable at least( is comparing burrow and josh Allen to Brady (or any other great). And there is no comparison of Mahommes to Brady either. Many if not most ppl think Mahommes is the most talented QB of all time, Brady just merely has more rings.

[@bpraise517]

@@newagain9964 The comparison was really the IT FACTOR they share not the measurables. Especially since he went to the Superbowl and can beat both Patty & Josh...cool as a cucumbers like Joe Cool.

[@joyce2680]

B. Harris, pls explain your comment about Joy. I didn't understand.

[@Nuanced717]

This is the 1st time I feel like any show has nailed this topic. As a Bengals fan, this is the 1st time in my 40+ years of fandom that I feel like, no matter what the score, that this Bengals this team has a chance to really win. It’s belief! In the past, Palmer or Dalton, we hoped we might win. With Burrow, we’re surprised if we don’t win. He’s changed a whole city’s expectations. Last year the Bengals get to the SB with a flawed team but one that, if AD isn’t the monster he is 1 second from, Chase is Griddying into the end zone to win the Chip makes us believe anything is possible. Burrow is the difference between “hope” and “certainty.” Love the show!

[@mrlilrip10]

im a ravens fan and i believe that about the bengals as well. its scary when joe gets protected by the line

[@dominickdegregorio9834]

Not to mention he finally figured out the Cleveland Browns

[@petezereeeah]

@@mrlilrip10 "Joe Burrow is an assassin"....Troy Aikman.

[@petezereeeah]

@@mrlilrip10 Burrow is the first to arrive at voluntary practices. He is the first to arrive, and the last to leave. The guy bleeds victory. I'm in Cincy. I know.

[@kristiwasserman2303]

Literally leave burrow out of the Brady convo. He’s no Tom Brady. He hasn’t even won a Super Bowl

[@leshernandez8577]

Joe Burrow has definitely that Brady like "It" factor to elevate everybody and the whole organization but he also reminds me so very much of one #16 Joe "Cool" Montana, his style of accuracy, precision and the smarts but above all his coolness under pressure and even body types are so similar. And to me the Joe Montana comparison its quite the high praise because he accomplished so much in his career and I just hope our Joe Burrow can deliver us a Super Bowl Championship or who knows maybe more but he has already done so much for the Bengals and continues to keeping us relevant again so yes Joe its so incredibly special and us Bengals fans are so happy and thankful to have him. Keep at it Joe Burrow you represent and will lead us to Greatness!!!! 🐯🐯🐯🏆🥰

[@legitdragon6202]

Yes Burrow's elevated that team and is clutch, but what Brady did is not going to be replicated for a very very long time because it's a team game. There are a lot of beneficial factors Brady had that definitely figured into those SB wins that likely will not align again (Brady is great is core piece of championships, but it's a team game), he's had consistently great defenses under great defensive coach ever, played for years in incompetent divisions, underrated great/clutch special teams players. Again all of this not to say Brady wasn't main factor, but supporting cast was also able to rise up to the moment when needed.

[@nassiglutt6587]

@@legitdragon6202 don't forget the best attribute a great player could have; he's not about the money but all about winning. Having pay cuts for more better co players is the way to go

[@legitdragon6202]

@@nassiglutt6587 You're right for sure sacrificed plenty to get a better team!

[@joyce2680]

1) Each player is the 1st of himself, not the next of anybody else. 2) Today's media supes Tom up more than previously QBs. 3) Teammates & Belichick made Tom into Tom. Look at him now w/o Bill, Gronk, crazy AB, etc. 4) Gizelle made it possible for Tom to take less!!!

[@mikehatten5738]

Who does burrow elevate I mean he has a top notch offense with higgins, Boyd, chase, mixon, perine and hurst lol Joe is good borderline great already but he’s a QB that needs people around him like any other. Brady on the other hand was playing with guys like amendola, hogan, branch, Edelman, brown, woodhead, white etc. Basically nobodies who teams wouldn’t even take for free lol. No one can elevate them like Brady. Mahomes and Rodgers come second maybe(Mahomes has many years to prove it and he is this year) but Joe is not on their level yet so this is just like when everyone said mahomes will catch Brady a few years ago typical sensationalist BS

[@blockburna365]

Joy appreciate you bringing up Joe Montana. Great point Queen

[@BeeKay2715]

“You think you’re Tom Brady now huh? Punk!” 😂😂😂

[@kingdre6397]

I lost it 🤣🤣🤣🤣 so true 😂

[@keithanapolsky7813]

They both have a Killer instinct.

[@drobkl]

Remember Sports Analyst, Broadcasters, and Journalists stated Patrick Mahomes in his first two years as a starter was a great leader of a team because he empowers and uses many different players on the Chiefs's team to score and to win just like Tom Brady and other Quarterbacks and players I call 'Team Empowerment Leaders'.

[@dennismagee9555]

The problem is that people always look for the next best greatest player so quickly.

[@yremogtnomnad]

Mahomes 1000% also has that "it" factor. That guy is perhaps the most talented quarterback of all time AND he is incredibly clutch in big moments consistently.

[@petezereeeah]

@Dan Montgomery- Bengals beat Mahomes three times in the last eleven months. Not understanding anything your saying. To us, Mahomes is just another guy in the way we always beat.

[@willoughbyca]

Until he plays against Joe Burrow…then he’s a chump

[@vejaynorwood3291]

There is a reason why buroow is second tier, burrow is the some of his weapons, Mahomes has proven to win whoever is on the line up. Let's be honest the chiefs defense is the reason why the chiefs lose cause there constantly bad. Has burrow ever had a bad defense

[@petezereeeah]

@@vejaynorwood3291 Forgot to mention....Burrow was NFL drafted #1. Guess that's second tier in your mind too.

[@makrothlovesguys4363]

@@vejaynorwood3291 Burrow played at an MVP level this year while his top 2 recievers were injured and still elavated the filling in wide recievers and played at an mvp level so youre wrong

[@Relayer6a]

Tom Brady is the only one that not only does his teammates think they can win with him, the opponent almost concedes against him as well.

[@jeremymuir4332]

It serves the media and it serves the NFL brand. I've no affiliation or fanatical relationship to the Bengals but Joe Burrow was clearly a good pick, he's got huge presence on and off the field. He's exciting to watch because the expectation continues to elevate.

[@giacomag.1456]

Much respect for the goat Tom Brady, but Joe will be great and do great things for the Bengals, we already believe he’s capable of winning multiple championships, we on this ride with him. WHODEY!! Go Bengals

[@robterrell7301]

As a Bengals fan, this comparison is unfair to Burrow and Brady.

[@petezereeeah]

So true

[@garygreen9115]

Montana played during an era when QBs were not protected anywhere near where they are protected now.

[@Jeri_C11]

Great discussions on all sides. Good points and I agree with you all. Brady has been doing this for 23 yrs. When the others have been doing it for 20 yrs, they’ll have their own greatness we can celebrate. Thanks for the best show around. ❤

[@judithoberpaul509]

well said 👍🙋‍♀️

[@johnmcdonald1306]

Joe did this after recovered from bad injury his first year and his second year with a bad OL that allowed the most sacks and still made the super bowl that I think he was sacked a record five times and it was still a close game.

[@Fier07112]

Even before Tom became the QB we know, he came into a great situation in NE early years! What people really didn’t/ don’t know is Bill Walsh held open QB competition DURING multiple seasons of his career!

[@sully.2435]

What she said.

[@StuntmanBeatz313]

If he just had the it factor of Eli Manning, He would be a defending Superbowl champion.. im with Joy, y'all fall in love w/ comps with incomparable resumes

[@DennisFutball2396]

Like when your 5 year old makes cereal on his own and mommy compares it to a 5 star meal.

[@DennisFutball2396]

Until one of these “more talented than Brady” guys wins their 1st SB, you can only compare them to Marino or Kelly

[@shawnbrooks1004]

or Tarkenton!

[@merkamark]

As far as I am concerned any questions about Brady being the GOAT ended when he won the SB his first year with TB. That is unreal when you think about it.

[@JayJay-vt7xs]

Nah it ended when he beat the falcons

[@easyenetwork2023]

@@JayJay-vt7xsI think him winning in Tampa cemented it.

[@merkamark]

I am just referring to the haters saying it was all Bill Belichick. I thought he was the best after his 4th against the Seahawks. That wasn’t his best but it was 10 years after his 3rd.

[@jzilla1380]

Love it. Great authentic Conversation. 👌

[@deezymon]

I woke heartedly believe that Burrow can lead 8 teams of men to 8 championships. Because he's got the "it" factor. Because he's got the knowledge of the game, the arm to make the throws, and the dog inside of him to fight against all odds. Dude is just built different.

[@frankystrings]

8:32 notice how quick they said not like Joe.... two players.

[@newfoundmoralclarity]

Players know

[@easyenetwork2023]

They see something about him like they do with Brady and Montana. Though I want Joe to have his own identity and be allowed to get better.

[@garygreen9115]

Very good discussion and all of them made great points. I liked it very much.

[@MobiusCoin]

I think Acho's last point is really good. Set aside the "GOAT" stuff because that's the issue when comparing to Brady, oddly the seven rings get in the way. The Burrow to Brady comp isn't about the greatness or the resume. It's the leadership, regardless of career success.

[@MyVisualRomance]

Tom Brady already made the comparison between him and Joe Burrow. He said Joey B had some attributes that he never had when starting out in the NFL.

[@charlesbloor2869]

Burrow is his own guy. Burrow don't throw his tablet, and throw a temper tantrum like a child. He stays cool calm and collected. Brady acts like a spoiled brat when he gets hit or a bad play. Burrow is more dangerous than Brady because his emotion in a game does not change and he has the entire team playing that way.

[@williamramirez7559]

Let's start by getting at least 1 ring first guys! YIKES!

[@harleywise557]

So I was thinking about this talent comparisons. I thought back along with what's happening today, how often do you see burrow or have seen brady miss deep ball routes. As opposed to missed throws by big arm qbs. I wonder what the percentages would be on throws over 35 yards I guess.

[@joyce2680]

The long ball isn't a tb thing as the norm since Moss & Branch.

[@frankystrings]

Tom Brady is a chain mover as opposed to a home run thrower. Burrow is dead accurate on the deep ball but now he has an offensive line and weapons that allows him to just move tha chains

[@DennisFutball2396]

Talent without achievement is worthless. Like a race car with 100 extra HP that has never won a championship

[@newfoundmoralclarity]

Everybody's who's played a down in the NFL has achieved more than you ever will

[@the1stpeoples834]

Joe runs a 4.7 and can dunk very easily, Borrow looks to run a lot more than Tom too, like a lot more. He was a PG in high school, Tom CANT DRIBBLE. The better more accurate comp is Montana. Joe Montana.

[@johnmcdonald1306]

Joe says he does not like it. They are both football intelligent and highly competitive and study film.

[@ramonzapato5528]

Yeah...Joy ain't a Baker Mayfield hater😂🤣😂

[@alexpoda7907]

Burrow was the QB of that team at LSU that lost 4 or 5 games too. Dude is a stud, but it wasn't instant. He took a huge leap that last year

[@Cocoabeware86]

Burrow didn’t show up at LSU and go undefeated, that happened his 2nd season on campus

[@MyVisualRomance]

Right but that don’t fit the narrative here.

[@jml5100]

But acho has turned into wiley. He just decides something and then makes up his "facts" to support it. Burrow was very average his first year at LSU. And clearly didn't take a hold of everyone at Ohio St prior to that either.

[@larrymacgyver1497]

Brady is 45. Borrow is like 20 years younger , compare that and we’ll see what happens on Sunday

[@DennisFutball2396]

I don’t recall watching burrow down 28-3 in the 3rd quarter and his opponent saying “this ain’t over, they got burrow”

[@newfoundmoralclarity]

Yeah, only 21-3 to the Chiefs in the AFC title game

[@aliwilliams9546]

Get ratioed

[@JamesWalker-ro5fr]

You sure about that?? The commentators calling the games sure say it. So I know the opposing team is down on the field saying it too 🤣

[@glassmanforshore7995]

The only true comparison is based on 2 levels of football Brady wasnt wanted by anyone until the 199th pick in the nfl draft Burrow wasnt good enough for his original college team. both were slighted early in there careers and thats what keeps the killers alive in these 2

[@demetriuswilliams1796]

Burrow to me is more like Elway. He lost a lot b4 he won. And the whole Organization is built around him. Burrow is the Soul Controller All or Nothing lol🤘🏾

[@MyLilTony93]

Obviously it’s all speculation until they all retire. Stop acting like you’re “above” this argument while sitting under that headline yourself

[@DennisFutball2396]

“talent”, noun, a word used by sports journalists to hide the fact that a QB has NEVER won, and often never played in a SB. Comes from the Latin word meaning cop out

[@n64central]

I think it’s fair to say if there’s another “second coming” of Brady or another Manning; Burrow has the arm, confidence, and skill to claim it.

[@joyce2680]

Burrow is the 1st coming of Burrow!

[@Justin-bo4nq]

Why would he mention Tom Brady’s measurables you can’t compare and bring up height first? Hes literally one of the tallest QBs at 6’ 4”

[@Alistair102040]

Joe is Joe, he is not Tom. He said it himself. He's not comparing himself to him and doesn't like to entertain that stuff. Probably for the exact toxic reason that one guy gave. He's his own man

[@JDOPost]

Joe Montana had the ‘it’ factor as well.

[@metsrus]

Burrow didn't have the benefit of a HOF coach during his formative nfl years. He did his maturing during college days.

[@iluvmoshing5216]

Bro, Acho. That was blasphemy when you say Payton didn’t have that “it” factor.

[@Kingnn2017]

When Chase went down Joe showed me his that GUY!

[@lowkeyFlacoo]

He’s still had Higgins and Boyd what you talking they just as good as burrow

[@camvole8806]

@@lowkeyFlacoo is he not supposed to have guys to throw too?

[@kaseybales8011]

@@lowkeyFlacoo He lost Hurst, Higgins, and Boyd and still won Sunday.

[@jeanrosales7896]

Based on what they said at the very end my question is why not say “he’s like Montana” why reach for the greatest of all time?

[@otrsmalls252]

please stop putting lamar jackson in the same conversation as joe burrow and pat mahomes. he is not in their league and will never be

[@carpiogriego]

I mean.....seems like we love to give Brady all the credit for his first 3 championships when he was just a game manager carried by an all time great defensive unit.

[@jaylunbullock8794]

Where is shady?

[@dallas218]

Let go for being too biased

[@grking01]

The 'IT' factor between Brady and Burrow started way before this matchup.

[@colliah19]

Acho wildin saying Peyton Mann didn’t have that t factor stop that

[@bpraise517]

I think Joy was over thinking it BECAUSE SHE NEVER PLAYED FOOTBALL.....ACHO & JJ was talking from the locker room not just measurables.

[@MrMenace3210]

Dude I'm glad someone said it, I could see James didn't wanna get her too riled up but Joy had no idea what it meant to be 'a leader of men' shes talking about Josh Allen as if we don't know he's talented..it aint the same thing. JB and TB are 100% comparable for reasons she could never understand...

[@bpraise517]

@@MrMenace3210 Absolutely Bro!!! but all the feminist and pro Joy advocates are being triggered.

[@barbaragordon6177]

Joy was speaking from the locker room. You're over thinking it because you just don't like her at the table. Although she's never played, she's still closer to that locker room environment than anyone in this comment section. I know division 1 and ex pros aren't in this comment section.

[@bpraise517]

@@barbaragordon6177 I like Joy...she's holding her own. Stop it...I think she was off on this take...It was a PLAYER'S PERSPECTIVE not just lockerroom through the key hole.

[@bpraise517]

@@barbaragordon6177 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I played D1 at APSU...that was many moons ago too.

[@Eagle-zl4gz]

The Question is will burrow win a lot and the the answer is yes! But he’s young and it’s the future we’re talking about so let’s settle down and just watch how things turn out.

[@tylerjohnson5944]

That's what a first round pick supposed to do but they nothing like burrow better arm more mobile than brady ever was but qb is about anticipation and speed reading and brady is the GOAT at that not the best football player to me because it just takes to much to work for you to be successful in the sport like all 21 starters has to do there assignment and the ones who get to come in and get a few plays has to be always ready

[@jharp08]

I hate how we mistfy Brady. He was great but the man had a defense that was top ten 18 out of 22 years of him playing. Put that into perspective Rodgers that only has happened to Rodgers four times in the last 14 seasons. It's not like he was leading the nfl in passing every year. Get off that mans nuts. He's not the goat, never was the goat. He's simply the Derek Jeter of his football team's and that's a compliment.

[@shanehazlett184]

Joy, even great leaders have different levels of being great.

[@1kwgentil]

What happened to the Herbert vs Burrow debate🤣🤣

[@513hook513]

Let's just be real. Whatever the "It" is Burrow oozes it from his pores. I believe its his ability to stay calm no matter the situation in big moments and still be the most accurate QB in the league. And we all know if his olinemen didn't just let Donald walk up to him he would have a ring. Also the Bengals were called a fluke and would regress. Definitely proved everyone wrong

[@CalobAdamsInfamous913]

Joe does have that mentality that Brady has. He also gets those calls too😂

[@jameswashnis7990]

joes a great qb but toms the greatest ever and joe is still seven super bowl wins behind him.....cant really compare anyone to tom brady really

[@leoaerts2217]

It is fair in my book. While I agree with what Achoo (sorry if mispelled). How is that any different from people in the past? A fair comparison in my book would be. Putting burrows numbers at age 28 vs Brady at 28 and see who was the better player. It would be unfair 😒 to put him up against the totality of Brady's career. Either that or at least compare their first 3 years in the league. I would have to research, but the only metrics that wouuld skew it to me at least is the playoff appearances and super bowl wins

[@bjake7797]

Y'all are the best not cuz I'm A Dallas fan.. cuz I'm a football fan!! Keep on keep on!!!

[@Fan_Takes]

Comparison is the thief of joy

[@tadah21]

Correction Tom has been a part of winning more SB than any franchise in NFL no one compares to that. Stupid comparison

[@fortunecresc232]

Acho hurt that one. If you have ever did anything in the space of creating, you know that he did it on that one.

[@NathanDean79]

Burrow is more accomplished than Josh Allen is. His numbers this year are better than Allen’s too.

[@jacobolding72]

Burrow is better then Brady from the start. Burrow is going to surpass Brady! 💯

[@victorshavers6604]

I agree with the white guy n Joy

[@Fan_Takes]

Burrows best attribute is his MOXIE

[@theredpill1318]

So cheating counts for making people better? Gotcha....fools

[@brgorham68]

Burrow is more athletic than people give him credit for.

[@mattdagodzzz3762]

He is not the “2nd best young quarterback” he is the 2nd best quarterback in football

[@bentipp9539]

Baker is talented. Why did you even need to say that?

[@jml5100]

Most of the crew: whoever asked this question is an idiot. Acho: uh, don't know who asked it *cough, me, cough* but it's totally a defensible question.

[@sonnymaupin9267]

How many SB appearances did Brady make by his second season?

[@nestorvelazquez6031]

She doesn't get it....

[@soccersenpai730]

I believe joe could lead 4 groups to the Super Bowl idk about 7 😅

[@JonKlinkel]

The answer is no. Nobody compares to Brady except Otto Graham. You can (possibly) compare Burrow to Brady in a decade or two, depending on how he's done by then.

[@judithoberpaul509]

I don't understand this discussion. What is it about? Who is prettier, taller, nicer, older, younger, has experienced more or less good times? Aha, it's about comparing athletes. What criteria are you trying to apply here? I'm making it easy for myself now. At this time there is only one GOAT TB12. Everyone else has to prove it first. Time will tell if they can do it. Wait and see 😉🙋‍♀️

[@anthonyblakely399]

I Like that nickname for Joe Burrow....Jo Jo Burrow......That's what I am going to call him now!!! Jo Jo Burrow....and Joe Burrow's movement is not like Tom Brady.....Jo Jo moves and thinks on the Football field like Joe Montana!!!! This new generation of commentaries, Sports Analysts, ESPN Sports Critics are all so young that they weren't even thought of back in the days of the Greats like Terry Bradshaw.....Joe Montana......Troy Aikman......Steve Young......Dan Marino.....Bob Griese.....Dan Fouts........Roger Starback.......they only have witness about Tom Brady's accomplishments 7 Super Bowl. And James is Right and Joy is right.....and especially right is Dave.....it is the "It" factor.......that Joe has which makes him "Special." Mahomes has the "It: factor and after 5 years he is not slowing down.......

[@scottconover7569]

Montana never cheated let alone multiple times. Give Joe Montana recordings of other teams practices and see what happens. He also didn’t have a headset to communicate with coaches in the booth. So idk Brady is better not in my book

[@donjuan3793]

He was on that team the year before the national championship acho 😂😂😂😂

[@dennisperry4836]

I believe Tom Brady is not the best quarterback in the NFL but I believe Tom Brady is the luckiest quarterback in the NFL big difference

[@jianhkuang]

Jordan Love is going to be the best quarterback in this era. He is going to win more superbowls than any other quarterbacks in this era. You can call crazy all you want 10 years from now we will talk

[@mikeheffner1895]

Lol

[@judithoberpaul509]

In 10 years ok

[@Yvng_Polo_]

He was on the team the year b4 they went undefeated

[@MyVisualRomance]

Shhh. Don’t tell. That don’t fit the narrative here 😂

[@JasenMinus]

Joy and Dave don't get it lol. It's not about the wins or the numbers lol.

[@davidholden9833]

Put joy being smoking hot aside, she's low key a 🔥 analyst.

[@andrewcunningham7637]

As a cincinnati native that joe joe is a no no around here we call him Joe breezy thank you 😅

[@chayparker8604]

I found the Tom Brady homer, this is lame. The first two made sense, and then the 3rd person started talking...that was the lamest argument possible

[@caydenantrim2156]

Can we wait until Burrow wins maybe one Super Bowl before comparing him to someone that has won 7 super bowls.

[@flinga4eva813]

Joy Taylor really knows her sports, she makes those guys look silly at times. Mina Kimes is another female who knows her sports to name a few . K Martin.

[@MBoykin1982]

I don't think Brady is the greater player. Greatest qb yes. Athlete- no. Winner yes. All those things.

[@QSteadyAskImReady43]

Joe burrow has always had good recievers can’t say that about Brady other than moss

[@randywhitehead6612]

But Tom Brady twice couldnt get past Eli! PO'ME COLORBLIND