Is It OVER For LIGHTS?! (The Finals 2.50 Patch Notes)

They FINALLY Fixed It... (The Finals 2.50 Patch Notes)
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[@turbomoisturizer2416]

They really need to start buffing weaker things, making everything equally shitty is the wrong direction for the game

[@turbomoisturizer2416]

@@spa__ce If everything is op then nothing is op, you achieve the same thing as nerfing everything to not be op

[@TheSatiric]

​@@spa__ceI think the cooldown system is trash, just make the abilities with a normal cooldown like bloodhound scan in apex or wraith's q

[@chrismason3351]

I wonder if they’re just trying to control power creep?

[@zacharyfountain5417]

Fucking THIS. Nerf creep needs to end. All the good gadgets and guns now feel shit to use, and all the gadgets and guns that used to feel like shit… STILL FEEL LIKE SHIT.

[@vadimcondrea72]

Was kinda disappointed when they added the new weapons and gadgets in Season 2. Why add more weak stuff to the game when more than half the gadgets and weapons are garbage?

[@-The-Golden-God-]

I keep saying this, but an obvious counter to the annoyance of Lights and invis would be vastly improving the footstep sounds. If we had viable footstep audio for all enemy players then we would be able to roughly locate enemies around us, including invisible players. Players would experience muffled audio when activating invis, meaning they are at a slight audio disadvantage while using it. It would be a fantastic and much needed improvement to the game.

[@ezylryb12]

I like this. Add a way to counter play the most annoying parts, don’t just nerf it through the ground.

[@Aunty-Sentry]

the invis already had a super obvious crackle that you could hear.

[@Grizzlybear-ok7gp]

@@Aunty-Sentrymeans you could hear the crackle, but by the time you do you’re stunned and dead

[@JaydenLacroix]

I personally don't like playing games with visual audio but other than that I agree

[@SyncMaster731n]

“Sorry best we can do is make your teammate’s footsteps loud as hell”

[@TYP2K.]

Ive genuienly never seen such a split fanbase in all my life its insane. I think Embark now more than ever really needs to stick to their guns and state upfront which direction theyre heading towards and stick with it because this community right now is in complete shambles

[@Tbo69]

Ngl embark devs are so god damn stupid they listen to all the wrong people

[@visionclassified]

Hey OTTR, glad you're giving the Finals the exposure it deserves!

[@RideTheSkies]

Same. It was a natural transition for him although it hurts his viewer count a bit. It's pretty obvious he prefers tracking shooters over twitch shooters/low ttk. He should definitely do what makes him happy and leaving apex for a bit was the move. I watch ottr for ottr, even if he's not playing the finals but luckily I love the frickin hell out of this game.

[@brxmes]

the current main issue with the stun gun is that it cancels ur reload, which means if u get strunned while reloading, ull start the reload animation again

[@adjest6388]

i think that's the main point for the stun gun tho...

[@3ace846]

@@adjest6388 it should maybe jud slowdown the reload by a bit

[@ezylryb12]

Unlucky? That doesn’t happen that often. It’s like saying the main problem with aps is if you run cl-40 or grenade launcher. Who does that?

[@adjest6388]

@@3ace846 nah i don't think it will be worth it. Stun gun simply stops whatever interaction you're doing and slow you down a lot but still lets you turn around and hip fire. Most people with trained reflexes can fire back without much issue. It has 1 ammo and and long cooldown so it's pretty balanced.

[@little_error295]

If you get stunned mid reload you aren’t going to win that gun fight no matter what 😂

[@Mirakuruuu]

literally still waiting for death cams so i can FINALLY report on bloody cheaters but sure! Data reshaper is a priority

[@m.poppins4843]

why would you need a deathcam to spot cheaters? They're either really obvious about it or really trying to hide it. Really dont see how a few sec of deathcam will improve anything except paranoia.

[@Mirakuruuu]

@@m.poppins4843 No. Some players are just simply that good. I dont want to report honest skilled players. I want to see an actual aimbotting in action so that they get what they deserve

[@bot4hire202]

I’ve been beamed from like 150 meters in less than 2 seconds by an AKM. Sucks there’s no proof that it’s bullshit lmao.

[@toryspelling7737]

The patch dropped less than an hour ago?! and you've got an 11min vid already

[@3ace846]

the devs doing everything to make lights shitty

[@user-by5ng9nz6n]

Sad times

[@clydefrog6959]

Why is it that light players whine so much? Remember when heavies got nerfed 3patches in a row & everyone cheered?

[@headmk]

@@clydefrog6959because heavy is op af

[@3ace846]

@@clydefrog6959 what kind of light wouldn't? the light class is already in a huge disadvanatage especially on solo queues. ever tried having all your health melted because you ran out stealth? now try that while trying to escape non-light class players. i'm very sure you'd be having a very pleasant time with that.

[@LOV3CRAF7]

@@headmk should be able to run faster tbh it's like moving a tank sometimes

[@Ken-vz1gl]

Light is already not a good choice for high ranking matches to random people. I don't think it needs a such huge nerf at once. It's too much imo.

[@-The-Golden-God-]

Most of the player base doesn't care about high ranking matches. Rank shouldn't dictate balancing. It's the affect on the quality of all matches and overall sense of fun that matters most.

[@tyrantpotato5831]

@@-The-Golden-God- so just make light useless in higher elo? seems pretty lame

[@ezylryb12]

Light is Garbo no matter the Elo unless you play in bronze. You have to work 10 times as hard for a fraction of the result since light just takes more skill to play.

[@viniciusmoreschi6970]

is not bad because of its invisibility, its bad because its usuless for the team

[@t--w5203]

stun gun was annoying. i’m a light player and i refused to use it from the start cuz its not fun to play or play against. But needing cloak is crazy

[@rapidshot3033]

These devs are going shoot themselves in the foot. It’s like a consistent cycle: community whines devs nerf. Props for more reload animations because we want/need those but add more irl locations and buff these new guns. This is like s1 still but game not dying

[@Cloudid47]

“Game not dying”. I 100% agree but can also see how they need to adjust some things.

[@Cloudid47]

Avidly play the game tho

[@lennieleng9679]

It's not the community its the weak players who are too incompetent to get better so they cry to make everything easier

[@phant0mwolf421]

I'm all for tye stun gun nerf, but invisible not being combat viable because of activation cost, they'll watch as light players disappear from the game.

[@Tbo69]

The devs are so damn stupid it’s honestly unbelievable they are nerfing the game into the ground

[@julio1148]

I’ve been wanting to use data reshaper for power shift due to the aps and turret meta, but it was useless. Hopefully this change helps

[@kylerclarke2689]

I love the videos and analysis man!

[@sc76399]

The only annoyance with the clapping change is I've got the muscle mandatory down for how like it takes to activate when heading into a fight

[@flyingfoox1365]

Why’d they do in my boy light like that? Light has absolutely nothing going for it already. It needs a huge buff in 2.6 I stopped playing this game because light has no place. “Light is the damage class” isn’t true anymore because heavy almost does the same amount of damage and is a lot safer to play. The HP to DPS is so wonk :( I also don’t hate them getting rid of (from the meta) the stun gun (I also hate it) but this makes light horrible to play.

[@Deadset.zr2]

Lmao what??? Learn to play it. Every game I'm in there's a light that goes 27 and 1 while the rest of the lobby is fighting for their lives

[@kotasake]

Erase invis and mega buff the other shit

[@flyingfoox1365]

@@Deadset.zr2 I main light, it’s very hit or miss. And I’m not talking about causal, I’m talking about competitive play. Anyone can get kills on people who don’t and/or can’t play competitive. I like light because of its movement mechanics but being one shot by a heavy is so dumb. Light does damage heavy tanks it while medium supports. Or that’s how it should be

[@NightWolf5251]

Man, I am tired that a freaking dwarf come to my back from nowhere, glue me to the floor for almost 5 seconds with the stun gun and then proceed to melt me as hot butter, so I don't know what you are talking about

[@navigator-4913]

@@Deadset.zr2and the only way light actually benefits the team is by going 27 and 1

[@m.haikal8598]

Mann I just hope this game doesn't die. Rly into it tho like i dont play anything else lmao

[@rustychumpy4381]

relatable

[@user-uy8yb3dy6u]

Then it won’t die we all play it everyday 😂

[@clumsysotrippin2714]

I won’t be playing anymore after this patch, my main class is unplayable now 🎉

[@drawborderscrew2059]

they allready killed it ..

[@rustychumpy4381]

@@drawborderscrew2059 how so?

[@Weary01]

I’m a medium main and get stunned decently often. Its really not that hard to focus in on the light and kill them while stunned. I dont think it was OP, doesnt really seem like it needed a nerf

[@boguization]

same here had 0 problems with lights and i was grinding for diamond with medium, even felt happy when i see light in enemy team. But i lost some games againts light when they are really good but still this invis nerf is too much and so stupid imo

[@WALLACEandGROMlT]

People are just pissed off when they get killed by a good light and they just want to blame it on anything else but themselves

[@Awellneededsmoke]

@@WALLACEandGROMlTgood lights don’t use cloak stungun

[@ryanlong9800]

@@Awellneededsmokeliterally all top lights do because dash is garbage at top ranks and stun gun is the best way to prevent medium and heavy from near one shotting you. Idk where you see any of the top ranked lights not using these two things but I guarantee you they do

[@freezyy727]

@@Awellneededsmoke not even true, play anyone who knows what they're doing with the light, you're more than likely getting smoked by a cloak stun gun player. nerfing the thing that makes the light viable is just stupid. the stun gun already had a massive (needed) nerf, but cloak shouldn't have such a large nerf AGAIN. don't be mad that someone who knows what they're doing cooked you, just get better at recognizing the cloak noise/visual

[@ICarrYuuBabe]

light is currently the most hard class of them 3 to rank up and they nerf the only thing that make it a little viable :((

[@anti-tryhard]

Light will still be viable don't worry, if Light is bad after the patch they will buff the weapons/specializations

[@fancy8199]

Light is easy to play. You aren't worried about team play at most but kills. Having one light in a team isn't bad. But having 5-6 lights because everyone wants to go for kills in a match is setting the game off from where it needs to be. The game is made to be playing the objective team base. That why many are upset cause they choose light to go for kills and stray away from the team.

[@ICarrYuuBabe]

Yeah but when you die from collateral spam bullet of heavy i don't think its easy

[@Mecreator]

Does anyone else have completed the battlepass? And notice a weird bug where the hologram is facing in front of your character instead of the side and if you equip the female body and use the glitched face that the voice is male instead? It’s weird because if you use the tv head it’s normale and that’s the same type of voice as the face one I hope that embark will fix this in the further.

[@qwertypwerts]

The faces dictate the voice of the contestant, not the body type.

[@Ori_fr]

And the direction of the intro makes sense, since it would take too much space on the screen otherwise

[@lynxishd9587]

We need more weapon animations desperately

[@LeeseTheFox]

Feels like the medium build is gonna be the meta like in s1

[@TheSatiric]

I think 2 H and 1 M is op

[@definitionofhappiness6134]

fcourse they always fuck the lights. Because people cant counter them or dont know how to counter the lights. But it is easy, lights only have 150hp. So for all the medium and heavy players who are complaining about light. Get better aim! And stick to your teammates lights cant do shit against a big group

[@devonfarrar6817]

@@definitionofhappiness6134lmao found the light who’s pissy about the nerf

[@jamesford2192]

@@devonfarrar6817found the medium or heavy who can’t outplay a 150 light

[@deadbear544]

​@@definitionofhappiness6134 "get better aim!" Acting like it's a fair fight when you can't finish them off because they stunned you from a far range and melt you as soon as you turn, or when they stun you from above. You lights rely on invis so much that you can't even out movement the enemy team without cloaking in a corner with your stungun.

[@chilanzisensenta2921]

Its fun when its you stunning and going invisible on players,but when i played against lights who do the sam3 thing it was super annoying.so i think its the right thing to do.

[@mikerhem1273]

Nah its to much. Nerfing both in 1 patch is just way to much. Just nerf the damn stun gun. My RB button sticks sometimes. So sometimes it double or triple taps in rapid succession. The jump up from 14% to 33% per cloak tap would literally drain my whole cloak bar instantly. Lol damn nerf killed the stun gun, cloak, and now I gotta buy a new controller just to play light. FUCk this patch🤣

[@kotasake]

​@@mikerhem1273best patch ever

[@benjaminblackford3495]

The data-reshaper buff is really cool imo. Imagine using it in a fight against heavies. They plop down their dome shield or barricade in front of you, you can just turn them into in-game items. Or with people who use a lot of mines or turrets in game, this might actually be worth picking up with the added bonus of turning in-game items into barrels. Also the AKM animation set is bad ass, I hope they do more stuff like that

[@noodlez4052]

Stun and Cloak wasn't even the issue with lights it was the dumb HP shredding XP gun that was the problem. Which will still continue......

[@WALLACEandGROMlT]

Bro lights have 150 health your just ass

[@frenchgucho]

The XP is slower to kill than V9S, 93R, or the M11 and its close to the FCAR/CL-40/Model 1887. Wouldnt call that the big problem when stungun is more frustrating the worse the player is. (so casuals hate getting stunned)

[@noodlez4052]

@@frenchgucho Nah Cloak and XP combo was running shit up until this new patch. Just hide in the room and fire. How is XP slower to kill than a burst fire pistol? Going up against a light you getting shredded unless you see them first when they got that gun. They been running off the same loadout for months. Then gonna say it's like the FCAR,cl-40,or model 1887 🤣🤣🤣 like what?!? XP-54 has the highest fire rate in the game. None of those guns are coming close except the M11 that's the only gun higher than it. Guess what they both belong to the light.

[@the_dancing_koko7663]

i think a cool change they could do with the data reshaper is making it be able to reshape fire and gas imagine going for a last minute but they have gas or fire just reshape and it turns into smoke or maybe goo something harmless

[@AliRaza-jg3hx]

Great idea.

[@-zod-4882]

I've always used dash with no stun gun 🍷🗿

[@monkey-with-the-drip5296]

You use cloak bombs though 😂

[@Thepvpguy128]

Yea im done. I said if they nerf the light in any way i quit

[@icekirbyixi]

Nah. I think they'll be okay. I wished that they changed stun/invis in a different way. My issue with it was the lack of a sound cue present within the stuns longer range. That was a little lame. But I guess the cloak activation cost could help not spam the ability as much? Idk.

[@tylerclemmer434]

To be fair that data reshaped change is kindve huge means you don’t have to be right on top of a turret to make it a prop when attacking an opposing cashout

[@ImSoConfucius]

Data reshaper buff is very nice. Looks like I won’t be destroying random furniture anymore

[@JeBo-iw6gt]

Maybe the cloak should be a passive thing without cooldown turning on as soon as you start sneaking but while running and jumping it just wont work

[@raybarrows4418]

Might as well change all the guns to shoot pillows. I’m tired of seeing nerfs. I’d much rather see underused things get buffed

[@AxisCorpsRep]

its only over for bad lights

[@V_Lovely]

Dash and vanish bomb it is then.

[@whoareu2317]

I feel mediums pre patch are almost at a disadvantage over any other class lights had stun invis and shift heavy had shields and Lewis gun which is a beam

[@ap1986]

As someone who plays 1187 main that data reshaper is going to come in handy with turrets. Because it take FOREVER for the 1887 to take one out

[@Stoonk]

The dash is the most fun to be had in the game. Invis grenades are all that’s needed

[@gilesstockman4913]

evasive dash is on top anyway plus thermal vision completely counters invis lights

[@Tonyowuor]

Stun gun needs to be ironed out. The fact that if i get stunned with my rocket launcher in hand, it automatically switches me back to my primary and will not let me fire the rocket is beyond me.

[@VPanda007]

Because the rocket launcher is a gadget. When you get stunned it always resets you to your weapon.

[@connorwilford2494]

You could have put up a jump pad on the wall and thrown a barrel at it and then reshaped the bounce back to see how hard it is.

[@dibanhiaguirre3]

And here I thought he was gonna check the akm animation bundle 😂

[@Unbatedwharf23]

they need to fix the bug on xbox where voice chat shows everyone as muted and you can’t unmute them. i haven’t had working come for a week and i’ve triple checked settings and even re installed the game and still no fix

[@wildanpc]

Do u guys think is op if data reshape can reshape dom shield

[@stevenkoo2294]

Data reshape will be good on the Horizon map as there are lots of things inside the room.

[@ginocarrasco3432]

Ottr posted ? Today a good day 👍

[@gregm1855]

I do think they need to tweak the approach. Sometimes nerfs make since example nerf the mesh shield. I am not even a light main but they have just been nerfing them and not buffing anything.

[@SixXGaming]

I think the live nerfs are fine. I didn’t think stun gun needed a nerf. I always thought I couldn’t pull it out fast enough because I never realized you have to reload it after already waiting for a cool down. Why not just automatically reload it and just make the cool down as long as the previous cooldown plus the duration of the reload animation without having to actually do it.

[@lil_stream69]

i like your idea but i like the reload animation

[@massimobackwards]

ABOUT. DAMN. TIME.

[@KetxGaming]

that nerf is really lame, light sucks in every way, while the player base goes down every day, they decide to ruin a class even more, that will not have a positive effect for this game

[@chickenmcfly2133]

And the stun gun nerf is ridiculous, I stun people from maximum distance and they still hip fire me and get me so low just cause I’m light

[@jackprot351]

Just throwing in the patch notes “the worst class in the game’s most viable loadout is about to get heavily nerfed” without giving any light mains hope that maybe it will be buffed in other ways, is a slap in the face. Why have the class in the game if you REALLY don’t want people using it? Light already suffers from being the least viable class in the game BAR NONE when it comes to team comp… There is no sense behind this. One of the dev’s wife’s boyfriend got stunned off a cashout and complained I guess.

[@jamesford2192]

😂😂😂

[@anti-tryhard]

Thats the point, if one loadout/specialization is clearly superior than others, than that loadout/specialization should be nerfed or the other ones should be buffed. If Light turns out to be completely unviable after the cloak/stun nerf then it will probably get buffed again

[@theed805]

Tazer is a crutch

[@I_Am_Empyrean]

Because stun gun has a non-existant skill ceiling and is a crutch for bad light players? I almost never die to stun gun in ranked, it only punishes bad positioning. Best case scenario against good players is trading 1 for 1 or disabling the player stealing cashout. The problem is that stun gun is oppressive at the lower end of the spectrum while providing very little value on the upper end. It's the very exact opposite problem of recon senses.

[@guilhermedecarvalhofernand1629]

Light is an underpowered class carried by a broken especialization. Nerfing invisibility is needed. Now they gotta buff the class as a whole.Doing this is better in the long run.

[@hakamhamzah4507]

I have some issues where i have waited for 10mins que for rank match

[@jamesford2192]

They always take nerfs too far. light has 150 hp. I’ll say it one more time 150 Hp. if you are someone who couldn’t handle an invis light then you’re bad at the game. That’s the issue. Peoples little egos get bruised when you’re playing medium or heavy and get outplayed by a 150 hp light.

[@ezylryb12]

Amen

[@BrooklynSkateUSA]

Invis in a shooting game will always be an objectively bad thing. Having shooters rely heavily on being able to see and track a target but including a mechanic to make a character COMPLETELY invis while standing still and very hard to see when moving fast is bad game design. It also requires no skill to use. Just hit a button and run up on someone in the heat of battle and stun them and kill them before they can react. I’ve played this game a long time and invis is still annoying af, I’m sure that many many casuals have quit the game over how stupid invis is and we need more casuals in this game or it’s going to die.

[@little_error295]

@@BrooklynSkateUSAthen there are kids like you who don’t know what objectively means

[@Nitro15]

Agreed​@@BrooklynSkateUSA People playing light getting mad about being nerfed are acting like they can't disappear instantly

[@r0yalr0sePT]

Hou have to use it wisely now. Not just appear and disappear between every shots. Nerf it more or remove it from the game

[@S.Marquis]

Not over for lights, stun gun was merely a tool that can be swapped out for something else, not sweating that shit at all

[@juggernaut2035]

I just tried the light class with invis and it's actually been nerfed into the ground. You have to be so Conservative with that class now that there isn't really much point in playing it.

[@BlackShinobi.]

I watch your videos hoping it makes me want to download it again, so far nothing makes me wanna go back lol. I fw the dedication tho

[@chickenmcfly2133]

My rb button is messed up so when I hit cloak sometimes it double clicks and it uses it twice, so I’m fucked

[@joshdagla546]

I love how he started the video with "Good morning Gamers and Gentleman" bcoz he knows no ladies are watching his videos xD. Just kidding man, great video

[@helpfulrat9395]

The problem is every update is nerf ,after nerf, things need to be buffed and some changes already done taken back like last update heavy got nerfed still not bad to play now tho and now with light getting nerfed which already has the lowest pick rate, these two classes being put into the floor because 75% of the community play medium, and they whine about the other classes. They live and die by medium which is by far the most broken class with things that make it so you have to get 6 kills against them to get a wipe, not including 3 unnadeable turrets because they have an infinite ammo ads system on them. Medium is by far the most overpowered, you play ranked at a platinum level you see almost no lights one or two heavy’s for shields and the rest mediums. Since they have instant revive and turrets which in theory you have to shoot 3 turrets no grenades as they have ads and kill six enemies due to instant revive. I know it’s not technically instant anymore but it’s still stupid. I’m not even gonna mention the assault rifle that kills you across the map. I love the finals sandbox gameplay is so fun and cash out can bring me to the edge of seat screaming but these nerfs to the lesser played classes need to be stopped and reversed. A solid change would be give light the defibrillator as that way there’s more team diversity they can’t afford to run in for cheesy combat revive as they might get killed too quick and sneaky tactics to get your teammate back. All in all stop nerfing just make changes.

[@helpfulrat9395]

If you read all that and disagree fairs, just don’t want this absolute gem of a game to turn out like hyperscape due to horrific balancing issues of weapons, classes and equipment. I get game development is hard but do the devs play the game and or look at it at least.

[@anti-tryhard]

Honestly the devs have done a great job at balancing this game, nothing is very clearly OP, yes some things are overtuned like maybe cloak but everything considered the game and weapons are fairly balanced. You say the Light class is getting nerfed but this is not true, its just the most annoying gadgets and specializations that are getting nerfed. If you play with grapple and no stun gun Light is still going to be just as good.

[@helpfulrat9395]

@@anti-tryhard I barely use stun on light anymore the new teleport grenade is so good and yeah I get what you mean it’ll still be good. You can’t say nothing is op, if you take three lights they die, three heavy’s tough to kill but winnable but three mediums is borderline invincible. Me and my friends consciously avoid three stack mediums as 6 mines, two turrets, 3 defibs, 3 ads systems and one heal beam is undeniably so hard to kill we just change objectives. You can’t nade them, can’t head on assault them, can’t get even get a sneaky kill because if you do he’s full health and back alive in 3 seconds. There’s a very clear and distinctly op class that’s has a tool for everything defence, movement and attack while also having the fcar which is a laser.

[@helpfulrat9395]

And I don’t expect everyone to agree with me but how often do you see a three stack of lights and heavy’s winning, you don’t. In this team game you can win with just mediums other classes are optional you don’t need them as medium does a good enough job for both of em combined. Just make light and heavy more unique

[@anti-tryhard]

@@helpfulrat9395 I agree that the Heal beam and Defib might need a slight nerf, but i wouldn't say MMM is OP. Sure LLL might be pretty bad in defence, but on offence they're great (they have amazing DPS, can sneak though defences easily and have glitch nades to stop defibbing/healing HHH on the other hand is great for cashout defence. with its 350 HP, motion sensors, anti-grav cube, and mesh/dome shields its great at holding angles and preventing cashout steals while tanking damage. each class has their upsides and downsides

[@elheisenberg9249]

I'm gonna be honest i started to play with the stun gun because heavy were destroying me with the hammer/charge.

[@Flipendo64]

Why does the slug shotgun even have any dispersion when aimed in in the first place? It's ridiculous, only shoots 1 bullet so its RNG whether your shot hits or not

[@ThomBrew]

1 person running data reshaper in Powershift is huge. Turrent nest begone 😂

[@jaym4697]

Now everyone is using data reshaper while I have been using it this whole time. Buff my kit Embark

[@Dudeli]

Kinda hoped for more this patch, game has many problems currently

[@anti-tryhard]

For weekly updates, these updates are great

[@Dudeli]

@@anti-tryhard doesn’t matter if week or month, some stuff needs to be fixed and that should be sooner than later, looking at the decreasing player numbers.

[@anti-tryhard]

@@Dudeli 'many problems' 'some stuff needs to be fixed' what problems? dont be so vague The weapon balancing has been great all in all, the devs are actively working on the cheating issue, they're releasing actual great cosmetics every single week, what more could you want from them?

[@Dudeli]

@@anti-tryhard I‘m not being vague, it’s my opinion.

[@anti-tryhard]

@@Dudeli then at least explain your opinion because now it just sounds like you're hating on the game for no reason

[@thebandit6886]

I get why the stun gun is getting nerfed. But cloaking just feels like ass. Idk man kinda disappointing 🤷‍♂️

[@jaydennguyen-xk1yo]

They need to buff evasive dash and grappling hook

[@sergeykuzkin1001]

As a medic bust respect ! Jajja

[@markmurphy3462]

Whenever I do play light its with the grapple or the dodge. I knew this nerf was coming. I believe for the longevity of the game you need to mitigate against unfair and anti fun game elements. Like recon senses or invisibility. Stun gun with invis is a cheap method in a skill based game that requires team play.

[@Killstone12]

Personally this is a bit of a hot take. But I think some of the OP gadgets that are must picks need to be either changed up in a way that they are equivalent to some others or removed entirely. Like for example changing Defib from a Gadget to a Specialization would open up a gadget slot for Mediums and nerf the insta rezzing making mediums less of a must pick in a comp environment, or swapping around HP regen for each class making lights have faster HP regen to actually gorilla warfare in fights rather than having to dip out leaving their team for death most of the time. Buffing some of the weaker gadgets/weapons to actually be viable would also be nice as TBH if you aren't using a Fully Automatic weapon you're legitimately choosing to have less DPS, less range, and less impact than if you did run one sans a few certain weapons in each class like the LH1, Med Shotty, and Maybe the V9S (However the kickback and iron sights for those models are so bad that in order to make them viable you basically need to break TOS and use a 3rd party crosshair when you ADS.) Btw I'm an all around player each class has it's strength and weaknesses and Medium IMO is still the strongest class in the game followed closely by heavy.

[@Mayorofsexytown1303]

Stun gun is extremely oppressive with a super low skill ceiling. Glad it's being addressed. If you are not using a gun that has decent hip fire it is basically a free kill. I'm happy to see they are buffing my KS-23 again! The data reshaper buff seems really badass for taking out APS and turrets now. Going to start running it to force myself to get good with it.

[@rapidshot3033]

Nobody thought stun gun and cloak was an issue until recon got nerfed and sonar nades swapped to lights 😂

[@hermanjoh7456]

@@rapidshot3033 Getting stunned + killed with no chance for counterplay has always been frustrating wdym?

[@kaneallcock3402]

@@hermanjoh7456 Mediums and heavy’s basically make light unplayable in ranked. Light gets outgunned by medium and heavy in almost every circumstance even when you’re stun gunned🤣 the amount of lights I have killed hip firing while stun gunned is insane. If you’re struggling killing lights I can only imagine your struggle with the rest🤣

[@ryanlong9800]

@@hermanjoh7456no counterplay is a bit of an overstatement. It’s actually pretty easy to kill lights when you get stunned as medium, especially if you’re using FCAR (which you should be because there’s almost no reason not to). If you’re struggling to kill them while stunned with FCAR, the only thing I can say is that you might wanna work on your hip fire aim because it only take a few bullets to kill them and you will out dps them every time.

[@TheChaoticOccasions]

If they are nerfing my Cloak then they should buff the dash or grapple, like reduce the charge time or sum its hard, cloak gets you out of a bad situation

[@aeneasjay5773]

Data reshaper should get reworked into the Data hack and instead of changing objects you hack and own existing gadgets like turrets, mines, ect. in range. Also add that samurai skin!?!?

[@phant0mwolf421]

Invis was supposed to help close the hp gap, but with such a high activation cost, it's useless now. They're going to start hemorrhaging the last few light players left. I played two matches after the patch, and I don't plan on returning unless they undo the invis nerf, or rebalance light to make them viable and fun again.

[@LOV3CRAF7]

light and medium should get a fire weapon, the only reason i play heavy so often.

[@Titi-zm7gr]

Honestly I think they should just delete cloak altogether. Make it so the only way you can become invisible is through the cloak bomb

[@RideTheSkies]

I feel like they should add a new weapon half way through the season but we're at that now so that's a no. FCAR needed a damage reduction by 1 or 2 because in comparison when switching to the AK, it feels like I'm shooting pebbles. recoil nerf aint it to experienced FPS players like myself. should add an optic on the AK as well

[@jaym4697]

But you got a 36 round clip in the akm the FCAR only has 20. Maybe slow the fire rate of the FCAR, but nerfing the damage will make it unpickable

[@cf5235]

The cooldown nerf is fine, but if they remove full invis when standing still then cloaking will be absolutely dead

[@mehemynxm6974]

I get that lights are not competitivly viable. But just because something isn't viaible, doesn't make it not incredibly annoying. There is better ways to give power to lights, instead of giving them a "fuck you in particular" button

[@mrcroc1991]

If your going to play light properly u need cloak even for more passive loadouts that use Lh the cloak is what keeps you competitive as it allows you to compete against mediums at mid range. With this change this is less viable.

[@an032nv]

For what it's worth, most "pros" in this game seem to agree that what Light needs is faster health regen. That would make the class more viable than any gimmicky specialization or gadget.

[@TheSatiric]

@@an032nvyes i completly agree, that would be more helpful

[@SirYellowJacket]

Bro im a light main. I run stun with dash, and the only reason i run it is cause RPG is still WAY too strong. But tbh i truley just wish stun and rpg were gone because like you said, "fuck you" buttons are the opposite of fun

[@ezylryb12]

Even when a target is stunned they can still kill you, it’s not just an instant win lol. The RPG though is basically a game over unless you run aps.

[@fancy8199]

If anyone realizes that having a light per team isn't a problem. But having 4-6 lights in match is really annoying. Makes you wanna switch to heavy with flame thrower to counter 🙄

[@justincotton4426]

honestly I hate this change so far, now lights are just non existent in matches and everyone and their dad have a million turrets set up, that's a lot more annoying to deal with than a light that you can still basically see.

[@kokumba]

As a light main these changes dont affect me whatsoever, stuns have always been ass, and being invis is just .... I mean how bad do u have to be to have to sneak up on someone, rather use dash or grapple

[@icy_demons_]

Stuns are incredibly broken. I don’t know how u dont see that

[@little_error295]

You’re not cool or quirky because you use bad abilities or items no one thinks you’re cool lil bro

[@kokumba]

@@little_error295 eyy if u think im trying to be cool or quirky sure, try again 😄, maybe git gud scrub

[@kokumba]

@@icy_demons_ well ive rarelly gotten killed by them as a light and especially with any other class, before any skills, gadgets, etc. aim and game sense always count more.

[@phant0mwolf421]

The weekest most underperforming class just got another nerf. Lights were rare in ranked before, this will cause them to go extinct.

[@StatFly]

Here are just my opinions and suggestions but; First of all the light class is suppose to be a mobile class which the invisibility doesn't provide, just more camping and hiding than running. And tbh they should just remove the invis cloak fully and maybe add so u can have 2 invis nades instead with a new specialisation. Also the stun gun needs a rework too, like a light kills u in 1sec anyways so why have them stunned for 3.5sec. They should make it something like reduce their mobility for 1.5-2sec have their gadgets disable for 4-6sec and their zoom/aim disable for 3sec. Then heavy is pretty balanced now with its nerf (maybe have the mesh shield to 800-850hp). And tbh they should nerf mediums turrets hp to maybe like 200-250hp, they should also rework heal, so it can still outheal gas and mol etc, but if the healed person is getting shot at your heal should be reduced. Or they make heal into a gun where u have 2-3 rounds of heal bullets at a time that heal to full hp.

[@thee_eccentric]

Nerfing the stun gun is a bad idea in my opinion. There’s no reason to do so. If you’re stunned you still have the ability to fight back though you move slower as long as you track well hip fire is still really good. The only people that can’t fight back are melee users, but that’s the risk you run with that play style just like I run the risk at an extreme health disadvantage as a light.

[@trip2845]

Wow you are quick..

[@Sn4p_Fps]

Is still usable but next week the light will be useless

[@YoureMadBozo71]

Reduce reshaper cool down

[@chrismason3351]

Yo, Otter, where are you from? Also, I remember an apex clip from YEARS ago that I’m hoping you can tell me about. It seemed like a big tournament and I remember you krabered someone and he raged “YOU’RE TRASH OTTR!” I wanted to watch that again lol Hope you’re well dude, I love your vids

[@realElectroZap]

cloaking device is sooo weak now bruh :( like they say that "total duration is not reduced" but it is!! we can only use 66% duration AT MAX

[@Louis-bs7ns]

This game is going to nerf my business into the ground

[@divyansh14feb]

I dont like clocking device.. thats looks like unfair for opponents

[@petergriffin9929]

They might as well just get rid of invis you find a style to play with and they just keep nerfing everything that’s fun to use it’s great how responsive they are but maybe just buff the counters instead of making everything unusable

[@Cloudid47]

Why does ottr use default skins on the contestsnts

[@nomadshepard6231]

My team and I are working on reach the diamond rank. We have a balanced squad consisting of heavy, medium and light weight players. Invis is not very useful in the game, especially if the players is wearing headphones. Well, actually, if you take sonar or motion sensor, into account, the light players with invis are not very effective, even before the invis nerf. People think that the light players in this game should be able to kill all three teams, while the other players will stand aside and watch. A light class has a different role, and it should not be too close to the rest of the team, not too far from it. There are three players in this game, not one. Even with 150 hp, Light can do a lot, maybe even kill everyone, but only if you work as a team! Good luck in the game! 😇

[@Zizou19989]

Honestly this is good if they can rework light to be a more skillful class to use, kill the ratty stun invis no skill playstyle and give us more skillful ways to use light

[@aashilr]

Really wish they had significantly better anti-cheat. Cheaters are ruining the game for my friends & I.

[@rnbpl]

I feel like cloak got nerfed hard with the sound effect change. as soon as i hear it i look around and i often get lights chasing me to half hp before they realize they've been decloaked. that being said when i play as light a LOT of players seem to be completely oblivious to the cloak glitch sound, like they play without headphones, so i understand why it'd be frustrating for them.

[@freezyy727]

tbf that's just their own fault

[@t4w]

I actually like the nerf on the cloaking device, I think a light meta shift to movement based utilities is much more fun for everybody. But I would recoment to buff other stuff on the light, bc I have the feeling light is kinda to weak at the moment.

[@Aunty-Sentry]

light has been and most likely will be the weakest class in the game, 90 percent of the weapon roster dont do anything and their specializations just cant keep up, its ridiculous to say medium is a better light but its the truth, light has no movement options aside from personal options, medium has those exact same options but for team wise and are generally more useful

[@diegradebanane]

Meshshield Nerf is great, but before the Nerf IT has 1k HP. So it should have "died" after 1 1/2 ak magst, which IT didnt..... I Hope it works now how it should...

[@CreatureCreator765]

It’s not really over unless you use those loadouts. I don’t use the stun gun or cloak but I’m still pretty good

[@preyaskhuntia2190]

I mean I use sword with dash and have stopped using stun gun even before s2 but it still is major nerf for others who play light. Light was already not as viable as the other classes, nerfing it even more is not the way to go. Stun gun was fine as it is, people evan still use hipfire and melt lights meanwhile if you play light you can die if someone sneezes on you.

[@CreatureCreator765]

@@preyaskhuntia2190 yeah you make a good point

[@EliottAndreSavolle]

6:00 not pay-to-win if you've got a crosshair