IS IT THE WORST TIME TO BUY A LAND ROVER DEFENDER?!

[@thedoctorsgarage]

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[@Green.witch.]

December 2024. Bought my (November) 2006 td5 hard top 95k miles. Dinitroled,remapped, lots of new parts, full service history, two owners plus new windows all round. Seller wanted 16k I paid 13k. Not found another comparable for and less so hoping I got a bargain. Also it’s my daily. Had it checked out by a LR mechanic and so far all ok. Enjoying while things are good 😅

[@thedoctorsgarage]

Sounds like a good deal!

[@mowerman60]

I paid 55k NZD for my 2014 110 DC in 2017.it's a NZ new full spec,with no DPF. They went to 100k NZD a couple of years ago,but i think they've dropped back to about 75k to 80k in the last year. The new defender wasn't very well recieved at release,but there are more and more on New Zealand roads. They are iconic,and they will go anywhere,they are reliable (i have had 5 defenders and apart from stuff i have broken or abused,they go and go). However there is a limit to what people can afford really. I am 4 mths away from being sixty,so am looking at trading on a 2017 Range Rover autobiography lwb SD V8 with the same kms,for less than my defender is worth

[@nohedes]

There might be a correction but it’s an iconic design and much loved. Furthermore, it’s a useful vehicle, not just something nice to have as a weekend car, so it has two audiences. With every year that passes there is a smaller stock of good ones and so, in the long run, I can see prices climbing back up as these become more and more a classic car where authenticity and originality are king.

[@johnelliott365]

Hi Marcus. I bought my 1997 Defender 90 300Tdi from a friend in 2019. It was a mess! It was about to fail an MOT due to a rusted through chassis which would need welds on top of welds. It is classed as a hardtop van with no rear side windows. The doors were all damaged, the sunroof leaked, the seats were shot and the headlining was hanging loose. After showing it to a local expert, I was told it was worth £4,500ish and could be put back in decent condition for around £18,000. I paid £4,200 for it and have had it “sympathetically” restored with a new galvanised chassis, but doing a lot of the straightforward work myself. I have spent well over £20,000 up to now buying mainly original spec equipment without being tempted to overdo the bling (no offence intended). It has done 100,000 miles and runs well. I have retained the original colours of Arles blue with an “off-white” roof. I never cared about making a profit but would have liked it to remain worth what I’ve spent on it. However, I think I’d be very lucky not to lose money if I sold it. I’ve also probably restored it so well that I am reluctant to drive it - too good to drive syndrome?

[@EM-te1hc]

Do preventive maintenance such as underseal and the chassis won’t rust should have invested in galvanised doors front and back and the car would be solid for a long time

[@davidalonzi2918]

@@EM-te1hche put a galvanised chassis so it will last for many years without needing to treat it

[@jerrygreene7139]

I think it is very hard to put a price on cool. Defenders are cool!

[@hsdxb]

❤😂😂

[@classlessbozo317]

You sound like a marketing executive

[@oldcargeezer]

They are cool, and completely classless. Good enough for the Queen.

[@pmtilbury6596]

I have a Defender 200tdi immaculate restored bought it in Feb’23. Have kept an eye on prices and they are around the same if not up a bit despite the macroeconomic crash. Not that many around and it’s a novelty. Most of us who can afford £15-25k for these sort of Defenders aren’t really bothered about a coupe of grand either way price change. It isn’t an investment it’s a lifestyle choice. If you have to ask yourself if you can afford it then you probably shouldn’t be getting involved

[@robertjureit2574]

You , Guys are so Damn lucky in the UK. Here in the USA. A 1995 110 defender is 80K-100K. It’s absolutely Insain.

[@BigArch6564]

Good ramble Doc...The defender market is very unique.

[@vinnitheratcatcher]

I've got one that's done about 3 miles since it was repaired, rewired, fuel system overhaul, chassis welded and battery box replaced. plus an extensive list of other repairs and full metallic black respray. Its 1989 van back no windows etc. I gave 8k for it and spent nearly 2k getting it ready for the road. its not been off road the underneath parts are all new springs shocks rubbers etc etc. She has had a lot of time and expertise put into her to keep the old original 2.5 td engine running well. I was advised to keep it that way rather than put a 300TDI in her. When the MOT was done and she was ready... I drove her from the garage and that was enough for me to know I had dropped a massive Bollock. This was not going to get me 160 miles up the motorway and back for work. I would have to set off pretty early and travel at 50mph...heheee. I'm sure its a beast off road and all the other things like the supermarket shop. But the dream was not the reality for me. The car was previously a cat C in a past life. So the last owner took the opportunity to replace the stolen panels and do the vehicle up to a higher standard etc. Puma bonnet front and rear bumpers Led light bar Checker plate panels etc etc.. She looks like a beast with the steel rims BFs etc and my mechanic told me it would sell any day of the week for at least 12k. All she needs is a drivers seat pad and the paintwork wants a professional buff. The car is almost ready for the MOT to be done again thats how long it has been sat on my driveway waiting to be taken on her next journey. I had a dealer come and offer me a whole lot less than I had invested for it a while ago. It was comical how he thought I would take his offer when I knew he had a buyer lined up to take it off him at a silly profit. My brother is a car trader so he heard there was a good buy being punted around the local traders. I did enjoy the way he dissed the car to make it seem like he was doing me a favour taking it off my hands. I'm waiting for a genuine enthusiast to come along and look at it. I don't mind losing money but I want her to go to a good home. its like one of my puppies or ferret kits. I would never let them go to someone I don't like or who isn't educated enough on the subject.

[@jamescarmyllie5033]

Hi, I fairly recently bought (Dec 2022) a 2014 Corris grey XS90 with 31k on the clock. I paid £37,750. Since then I have replaced pretty much everything on the exterior to OEM+ while maintaining its original styling bringing it into the 21st century, so no roof rack or massive bumpers & winches etc. I am close to £46k deep in the car following some mechanical work with future plans for bucket seats etc. I think someone below summarised the pricing perfectly "How do you put a price on cool?" and that's what defenders are, cool. The value is completely subjective and almost completely unjustified due to their build quality. As the cars get older, they need more maintenance, and I think we will see a price increase again over the next few years as the numbers of these vehicles dwindle from neglect, leaving the nicer examples few and far between. We also have economic factors, buyers are much more risk-averse at the moment. Judging by how much I've spent on what was a 'clean example', defender ownership isn't for the faint-hearted or people afraid to get their wallet out. I have accepted that I will never get back what I've put into the car. Even though it is the bane of my life, I will continue to love it and let it drain my bank account with the hopes of adding future defenders to my collection.

[@stevepickering5866]

Well said, I for one could not care less what they are worth or what other people think, I have my 110 Wolf because I want the very best Land Rover I can, and I’m building a vehicle I want, not what might appeal to the masses, that’s Toyotas, Nissan or Fords job…Mine will be built, not bought and it’ll be unique to me and I do t give a single fig if anyone else thinks it’s worth a 100 quid or £100k, I’m never selling it anyway !

[@702million7]

They are a cult car where I am. I have drivers of RR, Bentley, Aston Martin checking out my 90 on the road. If I meet someone and arrive in the 90 they always talk about the car, or say "cool car!". I'm kind of over it after 12 years of ownership, I find it a bit cringe be stared at in traffic so much.

[@philiphartley6169]

I am not sure of the point you are making . I bought my TD5 County h/T in 2006 , 6k miles , reg 2005 with boost alloys . £ 13995 +VAT .Now 107k , daily driver , slightly modified . Waxoyled every year , serviced by specialist . All original paint !! Value is probably £14k - £ 20k . If you buy a classic car of any type to own , not as an investment , the pleasure is in the ownership . What does it matter what it is worth , if you pay over the odds for the right car does it matter? Not to me . Simply because that is the car you really wanted and not one that was the right model within my budget .. I owned an RS2000 fro 85 to 97 , sold it for £3500 .00 . the car was mint . Value now in that condition £ 20 - £40k . If you buy a classic car as investment and you are concerned over its value then you have the wrong car .Buy a fast ford , with an RS prefix !!

[@daveenglish2031]

had defenders all my driving life apart from a short gap where i had an alfa, followed by a disco. bought a 2007 back in 2017 for 15k. it had 100k on the clock. didnt need anything. did a remap and a few other bits and just kept on top maintenance (can do it all myself) sold it for a bigger one last month for 17.5k with 150k on the clock. bought a 110 xs utility station wagon for 34k with only 30000 miles on it

[@ElmerJFudd-oi9kj]

HI Marcus, I'm the satisfied owner of a 2010 2.4 tdci puma 90. Back in 2010 When it was new, I payed 35.000 euri for it and according to a recent value cheque, it is still worth 35.000 euri ! Wow. it was a good investment, and I dare say they will become more valuable as time progresses. Thanks for posting your video, take care, Chris from France.

[@kevwatson4228]

I bought my 90 1987 for £3500 and spent £2500 on chassis bulkhead etc so if I did sell would be happy with anything over £6000 but wouldn’t sell as I love the truck and I know everything about it! But you’re right there’s a lot of defenders out there on auction sites but what they sell for is a different matter. If you can put up with the many faults then once you buy one you’ll never sell it!!

[@othman123ish]

Happy to see you as I thought you sold urs. My defender is (( ULEZ compliant)) 💪 and you right, every 5/6 days checking prices 😅. I noticed there are few on market goes cheap then others comes after with higher ( normal) price just like a wave. The thing is with me is I would love to sell mine and I really would love to keep it. These vehicles will not disappear and always will have a market for it.

[@papl1341]

Welcome back! Been some time since your last video. Defenders remain classics and will become even more so. Of course, new models like the Grenadier or new legislations may impact the use of them. Nevertheless, no experience like driving a proper Defender. PS: I have a 130 myself.

[@stephenbland7461]

I feel quite ambivalent when people start looking at cars as investments. I buy a vehicle because I want that particular vehicle to drive, not because I hope to make a profit when I sell it. I’ve had many Land Rovers in the past and only sold them due to other factors. E.g. I sold my last defender TD5 90XS which was my daily driver, because I changed jobs and had to commute from Cornwall to Heathrow, and at about 30mpg, the defender was just to expensive to use for a weekly long distance commute. Also at the time I could not afford to buy a second vehicle just for the commute. Now I’ve retired I’ve got another Land Rover again, which I’ll keep for as long as I can drive. Ironically, my 1975 ex military Land Rover with its v8, as a historical vehicle, is ulez exempt, although I won’t be driving it anywhere near any city adopting this ulez extortion scheme. Yes, it might make me a profit when I eventually sell it, but that is not the reason I bought it. Just my opinion.

[@terryriley3117]

Interesting perspective, I would be too depressed if I was constantly checking the valuation on the cars that I own, I believe that it would consume me, as it appears to have you. That said, I do a bit. of work most years working out the market value for the insurance (for both of my classic cars) I have agreed value policies, this work is subjective and its worth the effort. Agreeing with your comments that originality and authenticity are key.

[@Cous1nJack]

The prices have always been high. We sold an M plate in 97 and it would be worth that much today. Same for a 57 sold in 2011. I don’t think defender prices have inflated as much as other make/mode have been over recent times.

[@pam3071]

Think the old defender prices went through the roof because of the new defender, no one really liked the look of the new one. Over the last few years people have started to warm to them and now you see more new defenders on the road then old ones, less favorble so prices of old ones are slowly coming down

[@SpokyDoodles]

Defenders are a very safe and worthy investment! The more original and less tinkered with the better as people are realising these are investment pieces and are holding on to them. Also with the amount getting nicked and the rate of inflation is also putting up the prices.

[@olliesgarage]

I bought my 2000 90 TD5 with 90k on the clock nearly 2 years ago. Always looking at others for some reason and noticed prices have dropped since I bought mine!

[@Googlemarsplanet]

I have a 98 TDI of the last production, getting more rare now , in lovely condition, I think this make and time and model is a great investment, I don’t think I’ve lost anything, I’ve been told by a main Land Rover main dealer, even mine gone up by £6000 in price ,

[@LewMcc924]

I paid £25k for a 2009 90 XS with 80k on the clock last year, at the time it was cash in the bank when I brought it home… I feel like now I’ll be lucky to break even but it’s a car I don’t think I’ll ever sell

[@IamNasman]

Bought 110 xs in 2014 new. It’s worth much the same as I paid for it, last time I looked. I’m quite happy for the prices to drop, perhaps it’ll stop them being so appealing to tea leafs. Also have a 2a lightweight as a project, its worth more than I paid for it.

[@cornbeef]

I've always wanted a Defender 90 since I was young and wish I'd bought one back then. I've just seen the prices rise and rise out of control and I can't really justify buying one. Now, however, I'm in a slightly better position than I was. I've just found an old Defender 90 (1975) for £2.5k and I am itching to buy it. My heart says yes, my brain says no. I've just messaged the seller...

[@2702simmo]

Been looking myself The better cars have come down, the shite still seem expensive

[@fishingwiththomas]

Prices people want are still high in Australia but those cars sit unsold for a long time. I think they drop when the Grenadier is more popular as a 2014-15 110 is Grenadier money at the moment. I paid $3500au for my Series 3 V8 tray in 2016, it's now insured for $22500.

[@jamesward5721]

When the penny starts dropping with more & more people that the latest "modern" vehicles are absolute total junk, stuff like Defenders will go nowhere but up in price. Pal runs a huge scrapyard breaking vehicles, with a lot of staff. All the staff (& him) are rushing back into older vehicles, they see the story with the new stuff. It's plastic crap that breaks your wallet.

[@stuartdenty3163]

Really interesting video, thanks Marcus

[@porcobene_media]

My 2014 110 is now, if i have a look at the common sales platforms, almost 10k Euros more then i paid back at the time. Especially since it was never a daily driver, never seen a winter / salt, therefore without any rust of course, always parked in a garage. But i use it of course - for travelling - converted to a small camper. I am happy that the prices are like this, but i would sell the Defender - because what to buy then? I don’t want to drive an unemotional car.

[@ScottRae]

I keep flip flopping between selling my low mileage 2011 Puma 90 hard top and keeping it. Barely use a car any more, so no point in us having 2! But hers won't take dogs, mines won't take people and no idea what I'd want that would do both. Meh.... Especially with such massive changes in car types, emissions zones, etc.

[@DefenderDadLife]

I’m looking to buy a defender next year. What other KZbin channels would you recommend for a beginner looking to research defenders before purchasing?

[@malcolmelias3496]

Bought my 2006 110 HT TD5 for 16000€ as a RHD ex Wessex Water car with about 110,000 miles on the clock in Germany just a month before the lockdown started. After a complete suspension overhaul and fitting various non-OEM bits and pieces I will head for my third grand tour to Morocco so actually who cares what it's worth as long as it can do what it's supposed to do.

[@malcolmscott4150]

Good to see you back on YT. Used car markets here in Oz still hit by supply issues and any used cars like these have increased in value however UK likely a lot of factors - your own Defender likely still worth a lot and all your mods still likely add value as you’ve used such great quality parts and car looks so good - definitely a RR to replace the Discovery imho however changeover maybe steep 👍

[@erhardt1477]

Pricing here in Germany 🇩🇪 … only one way … UP 👆

[@Allthingsdefender]

I inherited my defender 110 it’s a 1990 and I’m just replacing the gearbox and transfer box before I decide exactly how far I modify it. I have no idea on its value. It’s the red 110 in the profile picture.

[@AJ-yw5zy]

Great channel, 100% your on target, BOE interest rates are going to bite soon, so toys will be sold.

[@RANCHOAJ]

It has not come down in prices for the rest of europe sadly, in the market for a puma for 3 months now... :(

[@oldcargeezer]

Prices have fallen considerably in the U.K. probably due to the Low Emissions Zones and higher taxes on old diesel vehicles. l predict that eventually they'll be taxed off the road.

[@thedoctorsgarage]

Lets hope not but who knows 👍

[@oldcargeezer]

The older ones will be okay as anything over 40 years old is exempt. That's currently pre-1983

[@graham-martin5847]

I built my double cab about 7 years ago on a g reg original chassis galvanised ,was offered 25 k for it from a site manager were i was collecting some gear and i refused it i want the car not the money its my baby lol defenders are only worth what somone wants to pay for them if they know there stuff they will know what they are looking for ,i am busy finnishing a 110 300 tdi auto county again original chassis from 1999 still on army plates this ones gonna get the full luxury package pmsl a cup holder

[@EnGieBenGie90]

What is the latest with your Discovery???

[@lewismcnicholas2631]

I’ve been lurking for one for a while and notice prices have fallen quite a bit - wonder if will go even lower from 2025 where I imagine VED will go through the roof for ICE cars

[@LRDefender1968]

Hi Doc, I bought my Defender 90 2.2 TDCI new in 2014, I paid £28,500 on the road. Looking around at today's prices and the work I have done I would estimate mine being worth anything between £35K - £40K. I do live within the M25 but I will be moving further out imminently, one of the things I am looking for or waiting for is an aftermarket kit to make my Euro 5 engine into a compliant Euro 6, seen one kit so far for 6K, i'll bide my time. Kind regards Tony

[@Imbigboned13]

I used a company in Chester (Cybrand) to do the Euro 6 conversion on my 110 defender, which cost £5000 plus VAT £6000 in total. They have been out to me once to fix it. The warning ⚠️ light has been flashing on it since March. They keep fobbing me off with excuses and said that someone should be able to look at it in August 🤷‍♂️ My advice would be, if you only driving to the ULEZ zone occasionally don’t bother getting the conversion! Also, when I looked at the instructions they had given me, they were in German 😂 I think I should call my solicitor!

[@LRDefender1968]

@@Imbigboned13 What a shame :(( You've paid a hell of a lot of money for this conversion, keep on them buddy, If you paid via a credit card etc get them involved mate to help. Good luck and kind regards Tony

[@landyjourney]

Hi if you are getting a nother defender do you go for a pick up?

[@jamesmacd]

Bought my 06 td5 48k on the clock 6 years ago for14.5k. Think it's worth closer to 20k now.

[@lordgill4267]

I agree prices are definitely falling, I’m like you and look at Defenders for sale on a regular basis and see lots of high prices but I don’t think they sell as you see the same ones over and over. My wife and I have always had Defenders and vowed and declared we’d never have one of the new Defenders “it’s not a proper Defender “ we’d say, but alas we caved in, we now have a new 90 and 110 Urban’s I think we will have another old 90 in the future as s toy but we’ll wait until the prices get more sensible as I genuinely see them falling much further as the people who we’re buying the nice high priced one are now spending there money on the new ones as they have become much more popular and are just as cool, in my humble opinion. 😁👍

[@bc5299]

euros are seemingly consumed by 'emissions' and 'co2'. didn't you folks vote for brexit for a reason????

[@tomthompson7400]

When you park any Defender beside say an Audi AllRoad at a third of the price , it gets very hard to justify the cost of a defender , with all the mechanical issues ,poor economy , woeful reliability and outrageous rust problems , unless you actually need a land rover they are hard to live with , and to be honest even if you need a defender there are alternatives. But some folk love them , and long may they keep buying them . I make a handsome living out of repairing the rust on them , I will never be out of work.

[@PachecoGarage]

I just paid 14.500 euros (4 months ago) for my defender td5 from 2004 with a lot of work to do... I spent 17.000 euros to put it back like new!! And I still have to spend some money. My defender is a 110 9 places. Hope I can sell it for at least 45.000 euros.

[@GutoFontana]

whaaaattttt

[@TikitikiNacho]

Just wait for a ULEZ conversion kit and Bob’s your uncle. Keep your defender in good order and like all things discontinued, prices will creep up again. It’s all cyclical.

[@zachbyers7111]

Bring a trailer if a good website in the US too

[@davidlewis2212]

No not really. I paid £1100 for mine and it only needs a rear crossmember. £235and a bit of welding And it’s a useable motor

[@BTurner.]

Bought my 110XS Utility new in 2015 from main dealer for £36k. It’s now got 9,300 miles on the clock and is immaculate so I’m sure I’d sell at a profit but I just can’t part with it. 😊

[@stevepickering5866]

I doubt that…

[@BTurner.]

@@stevepickering5866 Doubt what?

[@Endurobikerbuilds]

I have a 110 defender project build going up for sale, as haven’t got time to finish with lots of new parts, galvanise chassis and bulkhead plus original 60k 2.5 TD engine and 200tdi engine if you or know anyone interested in a 110

[@mikeclark4416]

I regret very much the day I let my 1998 R reg 110 CSW go after owning it 23 years . I own a Volvo now half the costs ,BUT to owners thinking about selling - DONT you will regret it .

[@johnsquara5168]

One cold winter and the prices will go up.

[@stevereddish6901]

It's always a bad time to buy a defender. Or anything with a land-rover badge

[@sheepdogman1]

I have a 110 double cab tdci 2.4 xs for sale only done 38k

[@Zanzabar5]

It's getting to be the best time to buy.

[@thedoctorsgarage]

Agree!

[@mattmutlow2978]

I paid £17000 for my TD5 90 xs last month.

[@Coordinator61]

I do not see why people drive Defenders. Rot boxes on wheels.

[@Jabber-ig3iw]

And yet here you are watching a video about Defenders🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@georgetaylor500]

I bought my Defender 90 van, 2007 2.4 TDCI, in September 2021 for £17,500. It was on 125k miles. In hindsight, I think I paid too much. It was a base spec model, wind up windows, no air con, ABS, air bags, etc. Did have Exmoor trim upgraded leather seats but that was about it for extras. Body work was shabby, lots of dents and dings, scratched to hell on the side panels, but it's a Defender that's to be expected. Most importantly, chassis was spotless which was what I was looking for. Spent £900 sending it to SW Rust Proofing for underseal, £900 on new tyres, and about £400-500 on some extras like side steps, Optimil reverse camera, etc. I put it for sale in March this year because it looked to me like the prices were falling off, and it spent most of its time just sat on the drive not really using anyway. Within a week, someone came and bought it on the spot. Didn't even haggle the price, just paid the full asking. I listed it for £19,000 thinking everyone always tries to knock you down a couple grand so would take £17,000 after some negotiating, so was well happy that I got the full asking. Personally, I don't think it was worth £19,000 in the current market, but I was lucky that the right person came along who wanted exactly what I had. He was even happy it didn't have electric windows as "Less to go wrong".

[@johnharlow486]

A defender will never be an investment. It’s a liability. Just looking at a Lt230 replacement at 60k miles on a 2014 90.

[@jasonpatt6677]

I live inside the M25 so have given up looking because of ULEZ.

[@markevans5596]

I paid 18.5 k euros for my black 2011 90, 8 years ago. I've seen similar age and condition vehicles advertised for 30 quite recently, but as you say, are they selling for that? I don't know... I also had to replace the engine at 130k km and front axle (flange weld failed) in the last few years, totalling about 10k, so she's probably not been an amazing investment. However that doesn't really matter because I do know that I'll never sell her!

[@darrengraves5230]

Any defender on eBay less than k20 is more than likely a scam

[@tommy4244]

Probably the best time to buy, but worst time to sell….

[@VineV-Dutch]

It's always a bad time to buy a LR. Toyota LC 70 series all the way!!

[@erhardt1477]

Your alive 😂

[@Climpus]

Doctor's...?

[@mikescudder4621]

BREXIT.

[@LysanderLH]

Ineos lol aka Brexitmobile. ratcliffe swore it would be the saviour of the post Brexit UK car market… until he tried to build it.