Is It Time For A MASSIVE Celtics Trade? [NBA News]

[@tj-23]

As a heat fan, give them young guys some time and let them continue to grow together, but also if you told me the heat would have a better future than the Celtics three years ago with the all the assets Boston had, I wouldn’t believe it. Lmao

[@jaydenharnarrine7902]

ong but once bam and the whole team is healthy we finals boundddd 😩😩

[@spicyshizz2850]

@@jaydenharnarrine7902 lmao 😭 that was funny

[@theetruth8626]

@@jaydenharnarrine7902 stop lying to yourself it's Milwaukee or Brooklyn only

[@Htiy]

@@theetruth8626 the heat literally beat the bucks before last year why couldn’t they again? And the nets got injury problems

[@theetruth8626]

@@Htiy because this ain't the that Bucks team that's so hard to comprehend

[@ArshdeepSingh-yl5fr]

Don’t have to trade either of the Jay’s, what Celtics need is floor general point guard, like a Lowry/CP3/Conley. Even someone like a Rubio would help. IT/Kyrie/Rozier/Kemba/Smart are not pure primary facilitators

[@dre121bmore]

They need a pg a real center that can help and a better supporting cast

[@crvshtheglass]

But you’re not going to get a pure point guard without giving up jaylen or jayson they don’t have many desirable options for a trade and all the guys you mentioned are locked up for a few years so they have to make a trade not too many people are knocking down the celtics door for smart horford or anyone else on their roster the best move for them in my opinion is trade brown for simmons so the offense can have a playmaker a lot of their issues are solved if they aren’t forced to play your turn my turn basketball trying to isolate

[@gnomechomsky2524]

I like Jaylen Brown a lot, but honestly I think the best move for the Celtics would be to trade Jaylen for Simmons. That would solve so many of their problems.

[@khalinpauleus9079]

@@gnomechomsky2524You can’t be serious🤣🤣🤣

[@conory9282]

They should trade for killian Hayes they can trade Langford and Pritchard or nesmith

[@nicholasfoster1104]

Danny ainge held on to his assets way too long and ruined their championship window for a couple years. Their drafts outside of taking advantage of the 76ers and Nets have been sub-par and they can’t bring in any big name or mid tier free agents. It’s a far cry from the year a young Brown and rookie Tatum almost took this team to the NBA finals.

[@theetruth8626]

First of all Boston was never getting no big name players no matter what because players don't wanna play for Boston because of the isiah Thomas incident look at it who signed with Boston after that

[@ke3p1tco0l2]

@@theetruth8626 Kemba Walker and Dennis Schroder both signed well after the Isaiah incident. I know Schroder ain’t much, but Kemba was coming off of one of his best seasons and was still considered an elite PG when he signed with Boston.

[@theetruth8626]

@@ke3p1tco0l2 Kemba ain't a playmaker that's what y'all seem y'all don't get. The man's a scorer

[@ke3p1tco0l2]

@@theetruth8626 Oh I totally agree. I was just replying to your point about Boston not getting any big name players since Isaiah Thomas. That's not exactly true.

[@theetruth8626]

@@ke3p1tco0l2 who did u sign

[@RussellReviewerFJV]

Championship windows get shorter and shorter and when you look at how much stronger the east is since the last time the Celtics made a conference finals, and just how bad this roster looks some nights. Last year I defended them because injuries and Covid, but we can’t keep waiting till one day they get healthy and go on a run. It might be time to see either Tatum or brown with a whole new cast around them

[@EDTheOneable]

Its already closed. The only way you get another window is if you draft another superstar because no top free agents are going to Boston.

[@cfg1991]

There was no championship window. The east was weak as shit, that’s why Lebron could make the finals practically by himself that year. If the Celtics win that eastern finals they get completely dicked down by golden state. The Celtics didn’t get worse, the rest of the east got better

[@gators9570]

The championship caliber point guards are all locked up now. Even Lowry. And Lillard isn’t the right fit to play with Tatum or Brown. If I were the celtics I’d consider hearing calls for Tatum. He’d probably grab more in a trade and imo Brown plays more winning basketball than him

[@raviray4518]

@@cfg1991 Actually the Celtics did get worse while the rest of the east got better. Losing Al Horford what is the start of the downward trend, then Gordon Hayward (Who help mitigate the playmaking issue somewhat) for nothing Because Danny Ainge wanted more out of the trade to get Myles turner and Doug McDermott, which kind of made the Celtics double back to use assets to get Horford back. While all this is going on they were having point guard issues and on top of that other teams are getting better.

[@theheebs100]

@@raviray4518 don't forget other guys like Kyrie, rozier, jae crowder and morris who were also major factors in carrying tatum and brown

[@TinnieTa21]

For me, it comes back to how underrated Lowry was during last season's trade deadline. So many teams needed to trade for him but did not.

[@coreypnorris]

DeRozan too. Even Rubio I think would help the Celtics or Knicks a lot. Playmaking is becoming super important in the league right now.

[@javigar133]

@@coreypnorris Rubio is turning things around, I would resign with Cleveland if I was him, enough disappointments in his career

[@Mirristal]

Idk how people are so dumb and dense. I was literally begging Boston to sign Lowry. I swear I am more qualified to run this organization than any of the morons in charge.

[@sprucewayne10]

I don't think anyone wanted to trade for him and have him walk. If someone should have traded for him though it was Philly because he'd have probably re-signed there.

[@ajcornstar]

@@coreypnorris you jynx it, rubio is now injured again 😓😞😫🥵😪😔😣

[@justinmalone3879]

The Celtics need a lead guard , they don’t necessarily need to split them up. If they get anything but a lead guard the team still gone have the same problems.

[@davyunwashington3613]

For who though that can’t trade smart and Williams because of the contract extensions

[@EDTheOneable]

That's going to be an almost impossible task. The best you are going to get is a PG that can space the floor consistently and a real center... And even that might be really hard to do without any assets

[@mubaraksuleiman5227]

Why nobody talking about John wall

[@davyunwashington3613]

@@mubaraksuleiman5227 he too expensive

[@mubaraksuleiman5227]

@@davyunwashington3613 same talk was made about cp3 before he joined the suns. J wall being a vet point guard is the best choice on the market rn. And you can get him without affecting the core of Boston. J rich, Langford, nesmith Aminu and hernangomez for Jwall and nix will get the job done. Bostons got a 12 mill trade exception to make salaries work. And Houston gets young players in return without Boston giving up any future picks.

[@romansheoships2716]

Smart, Horford and Williams starting next to Brown and Tatum limits them offensively

[@devmanboy8316]

Don't disrespect Robert. Been our consistent 3rd best player and more consistent then the Jays honestly

[@thexv3show96]

For everyone watching this video, ALL THE CELTICS MOVES WILL BE MADE IN THE OFFSEASON and here's why: *Horford, Gomez and Richardson contracts become expiring contracts in the offseason. *Smart contract increases from 14mil to 17mil next season. *Rob's contract is no longer becomes a rookie contract and is worth 10mil. The only move that will be done is moving Dennis before because we can't resign him to the deal we want. The Celtics needs to get a playmaking floor general like Ricky Rubio or LeVert (In his Nets days). They need a 7'0 defensive rebounding big like Myles Turner (or they can get Sabonis to have even more playmaking). Rob is a rim protector but he doesn't have the height to fight for rebounds against Giannis or Embiid They need more vets on the bench if they move on from Horford and/or Richardson to fill in positions we don't already have instead of benching rookies for vets (look at Payton and Dennis). and most importantly.... STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM BEAL BECAUSE HE DOESN'T SOLVE ANY OF THE CELTICS CURRENT PROBLEMS!!!

[@blerdbuffetpodcast8730]

They fucked up not taking lamb and turner for gordan hayward.

[@MrDoom121]

@@blerdbuffetpodcast8730 that deal wouldnt of been possible, hayward wasn't going to sing a deal with indy

[@EDTheOneable]

Floor generals Ricky Rubio and Caris Levert lol yeah the Celtics are fucked if these are the moves they will settle for.. Also the Celtics don't have the assets to get Turner or Sabonis out of Indiana.

[@thexv3show96]

@@EDTheOneable that's the situation we are in and those are some of the only moves we can make. Also a Rob and some other asset/Turner swap isn't out of the question because they do the same thing but Rob is cheaper and has actually played the 4 pretty well alongside Horford who has a similar playstyle to Sabonis

[@blerdbuffetpodcast8730]

@@MrDoom121 i was referring to the year before he went to Charlotte the bubble year. He may have left Ind the next year but at least boston would have to guys under contract

[@BloodlessWolf]

Best I can imagine for them this season is hoping that Dragic gets bought out and they can pick him up.

[@nj39]

I discovered your channel on a video about telling teams not to trade with the Celtics... And now we're here. Time flies and the Celtics are disappointing now.

[@thestormofwar]

"If we they had a borderline All-star in the back court..." Sometimes, it's good to be a Jazz fan. 😅

[@ReeseC07]

Unproven coach and no floor general point guard to speed up the pace. These guys are 24 and 25 , they should be exciting to watch, instead they’re one of the hardest teams to watch play.

[@masondupre518]

Before I watch this NO they don’t need to be split up, these two guys have never had a true point guard ever that could set them up and get them easier shots, that’s what they need

[@dontmindme4197]

Lol how you do you get the guard without trading one of them

[@jacksonmarchetti3515]

Well the one year kemba was good we were the 3 seed and 2 games away from the finals so we need a good PG who is a leader and can help them play

[@masondupre518]

@@dontmindme4197 they have a few okay young dudes and all their picks and some very movable contracts

[@masondupre518]

@@jacksonmarchetti3515 yeah health really messed up that Hayward kemba era

[@jacksonmarchetti3515]

@@masondupre518 fr they don’t need to be traded we just need to develop they are only 22 and 24

[@AnthonyMonda]

The Kyrie thing was an absolute huge wrench in everyone’s development, expectations, and the fluidity/cohesiveness of the group.

[@thomaskelly8571]

This team is going to make minor deals during the season unless some makes a ridiculous offer for 1 of the Js. I think most likely to go will be Schroeder and or Richardson. They will play out the season hopefully falling into a nice lottery pick, they will finish sub .500. I would love to see Sabonis but he will be dealt in the next couple of weeks. 1 thing they have got to do is run Pritchard with the starting unit and find out exactly what we have.

[@01BLSP4Y]

Well this season in my mind was never gonna be a great one, it was kind of just a reset season for them to be able to free up some salary sooner through the Kemba Horford trade. That's ultimately what's been stopping them the last couple seasons, is that you simply can't have someone taking up a max salary and not playing like a max player, who doesn't complement your best players, is a defensive liability, and doesn't really playmake either. But next offseason they can get off of Horford's money, trade smart, and you'll be looking at a potentially very different roster more suited to the Jays. But for the most part this team hasn't added much talent the last 3 years, they've just slowly been losing talent and depth from the Kyrie/Hayward years. Get them a real playmaker and solid stretch 4 and they'll be alright.

[@MrE_]

Kemba was a bad signing from the start. I think the ego of the Celtics organization was on display when they signed overrated Kemba Walker for the same max contract that kyrie got. With that salary, they could have gotten many many great complimentary players

[@dereksupino]

I’m a Celtics fan, I don’t understand the delusion around Tatum and brown. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. They don’t play well together. They’re empty stats guys, like AD, Westbrook or KAT. Don’t impact the game but finish with 25 points. Stop getting obsessed with potential, when players show you who they are believe them. With the exception of one playoff run in 2018 they have underperformed every year after.

[@hahahahaflyer]

I disagree you can win with them problem is y’all have never given them a true pass first pg. like Conley zo lowry Cp3 who were on the market this year, those were the guys you should of went after. Celtics are like a younger version of the clippers reason why clippers struggled in the postseason in late game situations is cause neither pg or Kawhi were good natural passers. It was more them taking turns just like in Boston rn. If y’all had someone that could get them easier looks get everyone organized in the half court they’d be more efficient, wouldn’t need the ball in their hands as much to be effective

[@dereksupino]

@@hahahahaflyer I agree they need a true point guard to dictate the offense, but I don’t trust them to trust that point guard. They will play the right way for 3 quarters, great ball movement unselfish. But when the game gets late, they go into iso ball(especially Tatum) and kill the flow of the offense. This idea that they suck because the people around them suck isn’t true, because I’ve seen stretches of play where the ball is moving and we’re playing great. When we start to play bad, it isn’t because our role players start missing shots. It’s when our role players don’t even touch the ball because Tatum and brown decide they won’t pass. Someone like lonzo ball would have been a great addition, up until Tatum decides to wave him off for an iso 4 plays in a row in the 4th quarter until we’re down by 10 with 3 minutes left

[@hahahahaflyer]

@@dereksupino 🤣🤣🤣lmao as a Tatum fan can not cap your right. Sometimes I watch Tatum thinking he’s taking the mamba mentality too far. Those step back contested 3s, out of now where fadeaway mids. Then brown gets the ball and says my turn and jacks up a quick 3 and does the same thing.

[@hahahahaflyer]

They have the same problems clippers do with Kawhi and pg. two scoring wings that aren’t good passers. They need a pg. Boston saw a bunch of pgs available on the market this past offseason and sat on their ass and through money at smart when that could of went to a pg. they’ll have to wait till the offseason to find a pass first pg to fit next to brown and Tatum. But trading either one would be idiotic these guys are 3-4 years away from their peak prime their still getting better and improving.

[@markmelillo5699]

They could not spend any money on those pgs or anybody else is because there was none to spend. The only reason they could spend money on Smart is because they had bird rights on him. The most they had was that mle they were able to give to Schroedder.

[@john-dalesanchez4650]

jt nor jb are good leaders at this point in their basketball careers.

[@nikolakrstic8079]

If Denver can somehow get their hand on Brown that would be insane

[@user-wl9ig7yb6r]

Not happening. I'd honestly give up Tatum before I give up Brown as a Celtics fan.

[@nikolakrstic8079]

@@user-wl9ig7yb6r and i would agree with you but i dont think the Celtics would agree lol

[@Akaoftt]

Give us Monte Morris for Schröder, Pritchard and a 2nd round pick and I'll appreciate the entire city of Denver

[@Akaoftt]

@@user-wl9ig7yb6r Tatum is obviously a more complete player than Brown tho what are we talking about here

[@nikolakrstic8079]

@@Akaoftt that would be an easy no lmao

[@godimlarge]

I think it’s adorable all the comments that are like “we just need a floor general, we don’t Need to trade one of them”. Uhhhh…. You don’t have much to trade to GET a good floor general aside from JT or JB, hence the need to move on from one of them

[@sadp9013]

Minimum would need to be like fred vanvlet but who are they trading for him? If its a worst player then that there is no points.one of the jay need to be trade if they wanna do something

[@epcarter6]

Exactly they’re virtually both the same player. Move one to get that point guard that they need then, I don’t see them being able to build around both those guys.

[@splashgod2509]

It’s not easy to find 2 wing player like Jaylen and Jayson who I think complement each other nicely if they had good coaching

[@ChiTownMade]

I think what the Celtics need is a point guard too run the offense. Maybe Ben Simmons? Or maybe they draft a guard in the upcoming draft that can run the offense? Or a trade for a different player?

[@yoki_isthename9456]

The Jays are 24 and 23 respectively, and this is their first year being THE GUYS. They are going to get better. Cap flexibility to boot, with contracts expiring, and all their draft picks, and tradeable assets. THey will be fine. Just be patient and they will be fine. BReaking them up now is doing so as a panic move.

[@theheebs100]

Jaylen is 25

[@Htiy]

First year?? I’d say they were THE GUYS the last 3 years lol

[@lahnex27]

@@Htiy yea it has been at least 2

[@xavierrodriguez4429]

The craziest thing about Tatum not being good at iso this season is that he was excellent and top of the league last season, making tough contested shots with consistency, being one of the most clutch scorers in the 4th despite a losing team, it’s baffling to see how much that has dropped this season

[@ethanhousen]

Chris Paul with this lineup would bonkers

[@raviray4518]

I remember Boston fan saying because Romeo Langford handled the ball a lot at the University of Indiana that he will be the point guard of the future.

[@suiken3149]

That fan was dumb. Even if he gets back his handle, he's best placed at SG position

[@splashgod2509]

It’s kind of hard to be a good play maker and be a good iso scorer when other teams can pack the paint because the team doesn’t have good shooting.

[@ajk3480]

As a Celtics fan I couldn’t agree more. I’d love to see us go for a dejounte Murray style player who playmaking and defense, but can score the ball when he needs to. I’m not sure dejounte is feasible with the assets they have, but it would be fun to watch

[@braddlesharris3577]

I really want that I'm even willing to give up Jalen especially if we get some role players aswell from the spurs

[@spicyshizz2850]

@@braddlesharris3577 would Spurs getting Brown Smart + 1 first Boston - dejounte murray + Kelvin Johnson + Gregpoppovich experienced players Spurs got underrated players. Demar and Patty mills 😍

[@suiken3149]

@@spicyshizz2850 Brown alone is more valuable than Murray. Boston will be overpaying if they include a first round on the trade.

[@Akaoftt]

Let's get Monte Morris

[@ajk3480]

@@Akaoftt tbh Monte Morris would be ideal. Takes care of the ball and Doesnt need a ton of shots

[@smokeloc73]

Trashes both Brown and Tatum for 3mins 45seconds, then proceeds to claim they are All Star level players

[@Mirristal]

Honestly, they should have dumped Smart years ago and signed Lowry. They didn’t. Well. Now their best bet is the following 1 - Smart for LITERALLY ANY POINT GUARD THAT PASSES and can shoot 2 - Acquire a cheap guy that can consistently shoot 3s above 37% 3 - Trade Schroder, Grant and/or Richardson plus draft picks for Sabonis 4 - Trade Jaylen Brown for Ben Simmons and Seth Curry (see #2) 5 - Play Pritchard and other young pieces a bit more. Pritchard will be a bigtime shooter

[@DQ_Senpai]

The biggest mistake the Celtics made was getting Kemba after Kyrie left that was the perfect time to fill out the roster with role players and give the keys to Brown and Tatum they proved that they could make the ECF off of them without Kyrie they were in prime position to do it but they went with the big name and not depth.

[@Umair10726]

Trade for wall to help both of them do not split them that would be great

[@rubberduck2401]

Last summer when L Ball walked from Pelicans... J Richardson and D Schroder with salary are on pair with his (still over salary cup ofc) at least for this season they will be same, but there is Horford who is going from 27m to 14 in 22/23

[@ryanhutton595]

We were one pick away from cole Anthony in 2020 draft and Tyler herro in 2019 draft. Imagine if we got one of them. Things would be so different.

[@theetruth8626]

No it wouldn't they ain't playmakers they scorers u need playmakers

[@splashgod2509]

Maybe if the Celtics had players that could make a 3, that would help a lot

[@elbimio4u]

Quite literally there's a simple GLARING hole in their team. The PG spot. It's ridiculous how much is expected of the Jays. Smart needs to be traded ASAP. I really would love to see Dejounte Murray on the Celtics.

[@alexloza9434]

Now they are ☘️☘️☘️☘️ away from a 🏆

[@Dtown1996]

Team has to many guys with egos

[@AllPraisesToTMH]

Yes, the Jays are still living off of the 2018 playoff run.

[@wesbisson3054]

The Celtics really need a veteran playmaker. Mike Conley, Ricky Rubio, Kyle Lowry, maybe rajon rondo, someone like that who can not only help coordinate the offense but also as a team leader role and teaching them how to grow

[@kevinllanes7748]

They should trade for Fred Vanleet, a good scorer, defender, and playmaker 💯

[@joncote6035]

Or a Murray from San Antonio.

[@hahahahaflyer]

Lmao and what do they have to give the raptors for Vanvleet? 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@kevinllanes7748]

@@hahahahaflyer Smart, Langford, and like 2 first, one protected and one unprotected

[@hahahahaflyer]

@@kevinllanes7748 raptors hang up the phone. Smart on a long term deal 🤢. Lang Ford solid but not someone I’m giving up Fred for. 2 picks that will be post lottery and one is protected. That’s a 1 sided traded

[@kevinllanes7748]

@@hahahahaflyer Im not a Celtics fan but I tried to help them, I know that trade is terrible, the Celtics don’t have any good trade pieces

[@charlesbaker3950]

My fantasy trade is for the Celtics to somehow keep Tatum and Brown and add a true point guard to glue them together - J Brunson from the Mavs… those three would be amazing together with a solid big.

[@eddiesalvador9780]

They could try and do something similar defensively like he did with IT

[@erix4erix]

brunson is a good facilitator ? I thought Doncic had the problem of not having any secondary playmakers?

[@alejandroperez2392]

How about Brogdon, Turner for Brown

[@joseflores4455]

My guy their lack of friendship is all Boston Celtics media talk about 😭 they can’t co-exist

[@attilaolajkar6155]

I think the health is a cursed thing in Boston. I'm asking you in which season did Giannis reach the championship? How old was he then? What is problem with giving them the time? To me they seem like they work on their game/body constantly.

[@lahnex27]

Can’t compare either to Giannas Tatum might reach that offense level but won’t be as efficient idk bout brown plus they dnt got that heart or will power

[@MurdockMade]

If the Celtics trade Jaylen Brown they’ll be looking for that player forever

[@billy306]

Jalen brown for simmons, Maxey and a pick? 76ers have no leverage. I’d trade brown for those guys

[@Ca9ineTuK]

as weird as it sounds, i think a trade for giddey somehow would make sense for both teams. giddey and shai just don’t make sense as a backcourt, and giddey being a playmaker first and showing so much promise so young, if you allow him to develop and grow with brown and tatum for a year or two, it could be a great core moving into the future.

[@ChiTownMade]

Brown for Ben Simmons trade? Or maybe a 3 or 4 team trade where they could get that playmaker without trading jaylen brown or tatum

[@tevinslawson]

Honestly wish they would've tried to start Schroder earlier in the season instead of having both Horford and Rob Williams start. The games where he's had to due to injuries the offense has looked so much better in

[@GODfaV]

Remember when everybody thought this core would win a championship never even went to the finals

[@crippledepre9539]

100% agree, we need a true point. Also please get rid of Marcus smart. Dude is a volume three point shooter averaging a scorching 28% this season

[@hahahahaflyer]

Don’t forget people Tatum has a 5th year player option in his rookie contract extension. They way Boston front office been moving he’ll be requesting a trade in about 2-3 seasons same time brown going to be a free agent. Somehow Boston bout to lose the Brooklyn trade 🤣🤣🤣🤦🏾‍♂️

[@pacinorules752]

They need a skilled point guard that can light a fire under them, particularly Tatum

[@justtimes9257]

i am fan of the nba & this is a dumb conversation the problem with the celtics is the players around Jayson Tatum and Jaylen brown simple and they haven’t been able to recover of getting rid of kemba & hayward who are goodmaker who put Jaylen brown in Jayson Tatum in the right position plus this team is the clippers of the east if you just put the right piece around them they can get to a conference finals or finals

[@masondupre518]

THANK YOU they literally have absolutely no shooting around them and have never had an actual point guard to make life easier

[@nicholasrose4448]

Exactly always found it weird people blamed them for this. They're great talents

[@BestiaTres3]

Coping

[@justtimes9257]

@@masondupre518 amen

[@justtimes9257]

@@nicholasrose4448 true that

[@christopherhennessey8991]

Mistakes they would make include taking three point shots when they shouldn’t.

[@mysterirhys]

I wouldn’t break up Tatum and Brown, but I would find them a facilitator good enough to set them up and take the ball out of their hands. Ricky Rubio would’ve been great on that team.

[@meetpeecee6181]

They need to complement each other rather than thinking of their own stats

[@theetruth8626]

No the problem is when they lost Hayward they lost their direction because he was the gel that made Boston go because of his playmaking Boston just need a playmaker because they have no chemistry

[@Anthonyfpm20]

Derrick White, Keldon Johnson, Devin Vassell + a protected pick for Jaylen Brown?

[@kicknation8103]

Id imagine if they were trading brown to the spurs murray would be the guy

[@Anthonyfpm20]

@@kicknation8103 I would imagine so, but as a Spurs fan I don’t want to give up Murray lol

[@lostone9700]

the celtics need a pg and a good offensive system and a few bench guys. if they are patient they can get those guys in the draft or by trading picks or with mid level exceptions without giving up their stars over the next couple of years. Tatum and Brown should be running off of screens in a free flowing offense with a pg that can penetrate and kick. in the interim kicking the tires on a guy like john wall might not be a bad idea. free agents to target, ricky rubio, tyus jones, jalen brunson.

[@ryanhutton595]

To be honest we needa hope to get one of those mid first round picks or high lottery than turns into a third star as a pg. Celtics should draft Dyson Daniels Aussie PG who’s a good defender, versatile, playmaker, and a bloke who always makes the right plays

[@georgebrowniii3850]

honestly I agree don't move jb or jt yet because they haven't tried everything to make it work yet. But if one were to get traded, Bradley Beal for Jaylen Brown would be cool asf coming from someone from maryland. Plus I'm pretty sure beal and tatum are already close so I think it would be a good fit

[@ryanhutton595]

Jayson Tatum and jaylen brown bottom line have been bad this year. Celtics came into the season thinking these guys would take another leap but both their efficiency and stats have gone down.

[@brandoni241]

It seems the Celtics need to change the others. Because Tatum and Brown are 2 players that are hard to come buy. They need a point guard, they need more consistent 3 point shooting, better interior defenders, and all that can be easily gotten. 2 special players are hard to replace...

[@illDefine1]

The way Tatum and Jaylen are playing this year, they aren't that hard to replace. Players like Siakam and Jerami Grant are putting up more efficient numbers as number 1 options (on slightly lower usage) and they're constantly in trade rumors.

[@brandoni241]

@@illDefine1 well in Grant's case, the Pistons are rebuilding and they want young players and/or picks. And Grant and Siakam are like 28 years old, they're vets. They are what they are at this point. Plus, Tatum and Brown average more points than both of them. Jerami Grant is a number 1 option with 20 ppg, 41 % from the field. He sharing the spotlight Cunningham who still isn't really taking command of team. Tatum is 23 and Brown is 25, they're still pretty young. This issue with Boston is they overachieved a couple of seasons and people started having expectations. The only way I would trade one of them is if I got a similar player of value in return....

[@illDefine1]

@@brandoni241 I agree with most of what you said but the scoring is only higher from higher number of shots. Jason Tatum shouldn't have any all-star consideration shooting 40% even if he averages 30, particularly if it's not conducive to winning. I realize popular opinion emphasizes scoring regardless of efficiency... but, as you can see, Beal is not an all-star when he plays within a team system instead of jacking 20+ shots per game.

[@duallancers001]

As the video started, I was thinking about Ricky Rubio - so maybe as an off-season move - but when you said Mike Conley, my brain was like _how_ _about_ John Wall.... I surprised myself w/ that one - Wall is available; should be worth a try _once_ he's bought out... I'm assuming that hasn't happened yet; I feel like I would remember that.

[@duallancers001]

How much does Rondo _have_ _left_ in the tank?

[@kaiwistoski9858]

I’m a certified Celtics hater, but I can’t deny that both Js are potential superstar players and the fact is that when teams trade away superstars, especially young superstars, they almost always lose the trade. To win the title you need to have stars and Boston have them. The role players and the fringe guys can be found in trades, buyouts and mid level free agents. Try it out with a real point guard, maybe they could get like Jaylen Brunson or Ricky Rubio. The Celtics have time, they’re young, don’t panic when you have two young superstars because superstars win games.

[@judoxcdt]

Jaylen and Jayson are superstars? I will say they’re stars. They’re are not "superstars".

[@kaiwistoski9858]

@@judoxcdt I agree, I meant to say “potential superstars”. But also superstar is not defined right we could have completely different understandings of what that word means

[@judoxcdt]

@@kaiwistoski9858 I understand your opinion.

[@aarondoyle9743]

Lonzo ball will of been a great fit but he's with my bulls. 😆

[@jason15212]

I think if they Trade Smart and stuff for John Wall. Or use some picks to get Wall or a player similar to that( I’m aware of how much he makes just thinking of the basketball part).

[@RH-hz9ly]

Somehow I think Brown will be better stay there... But nothing to back up my argument 😅 Definitely one need to go, they're too similar the opposition just need to adjust a bit depending on who got the ball

[@beazy1963]

Haven’t even seen the video yet but yes it’s time for brown to be in a hawks jersey

[@saugasneaks5858]

Boston Gets: Sabonis Philly Gets: Smart, Brogdon and a Celtics pick Indiana Gets: Simmons, Grant Williams, Langford/Neismith, Celtics pick

[@markmelillo5699]

brogdon cant be traded until the offseason

[@christopherhennessey8991]

I would like to see Vucevic ,Sanonis,and Jokic playing for the Celts.

[@christopherhennessey8991]

Yes. I’m pissed at Danny for letting go of Hayward and Theis.

[@RichD2024]

They need a playmaker that can defend... Hmmm... If only there was someone like that on the trade block. ... Simmons for Tatum seems like an ideal trade for both teama

[@accordingtodrew7302]

The Celtics with Tatum and brown is scary. Not in a good way. If things don’t change they’re going to be the blazers of the east. Two star talents that make a lot of money so you never have enough to fill out the roster properly, never bad enough for a high draft pick, but not good enough to be a top team. I say give this duo one more year and if things don’t change than time for a trade. Ainge had so many chances to capitalize off those assets he was sitting on but thought too highly of some of his own players that are gone now. Basically let rozier, Hayward, horford go for nothing.

[@karimw.9954]

The Celtics need a legitimate primary playmaker to organize their offense. And a versatile 4 that pushes Jayson Tatum to his natural position at the 3. Ricky Rubio or someone of that mold would be great as their lead guard with a low usage 4 that can defend the perimeter and act as a help defender at the rim, ie Jarred Vanderbilt. No need to move JB or JT. Look at the Chicago Bulls as a template.

[@arjp2110]

Oh I love Jarred Vanderbilt , he can guard 1 to 5 , If he start developing his jumpshot he is going to be a dangerous 3&D guy

[@ChrisbeFoSerious]

They need to go after Ricky Rubio or TJ McConnell. OR, really commit to Payton Pritchard who is a great passer and can shoot.

[@stephensmith2736]

We are waiting to try to land Beal.and we need a strong rebounder and scorer on the inside with the Time lord. And we keep Brown and Tatum.

[@jump25ontoast]

Put CP3/Lowry/Conley on this team and they’re a title favourite

[@joncote6035]

How about a small trade? Shroder for Sexton, straight up? They need the guard that can play big minutes now; and the Celtics would get Sexton’s restricted rights for next year while creating space for Payton Pritchard to play more this year.

[@markmelillo5699]

another young score first guard looking to make 20+ million next year is not the answer

[@nate223]

Celtics should’ve went after lonzo ball in the off season

[@markmelillo5699]

they had no money to spend all they had for free agents was an mle vet minimums

[@YodaSmokes]

The problem is Tatum and brown both aren’t 1s on a championship team. Honestly, both of them likely need to be the 3rd best player. The roster around them isn’t good enough either, but even if it was their ceiling is a good playoff team without a real chance to win a chip.

[@stevenwhiters8928]

Lol casual

[@YodaSmokes]

@@stevenwhiters8928 been a huge basketball fan for 15 years. Not a casual. If you think Tatum has proved anything other than being very inconsistent then that’s on you.

[@stevenwhiters8928]

Gaming Highlight-Reel not the point they been to ECFs as number one and two options so how can u say that. Also saying they need to be 3rd is laughable... Wasny Middleton just a no 2 isn’t better than either of them

[@YodaSmokes]

@@stevenwhiters8928my friend made the same point with Middleton and my rebuttal was Giannis is a super 1. They both could win with a super 1 but not a reg 1. Lebron Giannis kawhi for 1 season Kobe d wade. Essentially all time talent. If they aren’t an all time talent, I don’t see either of them winning a chip unless, they are the 3rd best player. I’m rambling Over a KZbin comment. But my point should have gotten across.

[@Alexgoated23]

They should

[@liambonnell9616]

I’m a raps fan and I don’t mind the Celtics but I’m just rooting for them to break up the Tatum/brown duo because I want one of those guys on the raptors veery bad, Tatum and Barnes would be a dream

[@blerdbuffetpodcast8730]

Celtics kind of fucked up the BRK trade soooooo many years ago. They get brown tatum kyrie using those picks. Gordan Hayward and horford as free agents morris and baynes in trades yet nothing happened. Yes they had injury but even after moving on from kyrie u get kemba by flipping back up PG rozier. Then get nothing for kemba if they lose j.richardson next season then they did nothing with the hayward trade exception. At the end of the day when boston was championship contenders in 18,19,and kind of 17. There best players in Kyrie and IT4 are no longer on the team. And got nothing in return for them

[@stephencalhoun3034]

Ben Simmons for Jaylen Brown lol. It won't happen, but it would be fun. And we'd still need a backup PG

[@zber9043]

this is the way

[@alexmarquez3820]

Fox for jaylen brown straight up

[@bradleylessard6197]

Biggest hole in the Celtics roster is a reliable 3&D wing that's long and can play off the Jays. Celtics get: Kelly Oubre Jr & Torrey Craig Hornets get: Myles Turner & Juan Hernangomez Pacers get: Romeo Langford, Mason Plumlee, 2023 BOS 1st, 2nd from BOS, 2nd from CHA Hornets fix their league-worst interior defense. Pacers begin rebuild and get 2 Indiana natives.

[@bradleylessard6197]

Celtics Starters: Smart, Brown, Oubre Jr, Tatum, Horford Celtics Bench: Pritchard, Nesmith Richardson, G Williams, R Williams (Schroder will be traded soon)

[@ReeseC07]

I know this sound crazy but would Russ and Avery Bradley for smart and horford not help out both teams. AD don’t want to play center, horford helps defensively and can shoot, and they need smart’s hustle plays, while Boston gets a tempo pusher point guard to take the ball out of Tatum and brown hands and can unlock Rob Williams.

[@ReeseC07]

Avery Bradley aka salary filler

[@hahahahaflyer]

Lmao russ is not the pg you want. Imma bron fan never wanted russ in the first place now we stuck with him. Watch him the last 5 years post kd low iq that’s not the pg you want next to Tatum and brown. A Cp3 lowry Conley zo type is what you want and need

[@ReeseC07]

@@hahahahaflyer ain’t no way of getting those names you mentioned, closest possibly is John wall

[@hahahahaflyer]

@@ReeseC07 o Ik I’m just saying that type of pass first pg is what y’all need. Stevens should of went after them in the offseason I was surprised he was so quite in the offseason I thought after trading kemba in the middle of the playoffs bigger moves were coming. Guess he might just be another ainge 🤭

[@ReeseC07]

@@hahahahaflyer maybe part of me saying Russ is me being a Sixers fan. 🤫🤫🤫🤫

[@Nick1981]

until there's a legit pg that can facilitate, move the ball in transition they're gonna be stuck in this stagnant offense. I love Marcus Smart, but he's not a starting pg on a championship team

[@EthanHarris795]

Well said.

[@kevinmclain6741]

Tatum is not an efficient scorer/shooter. The only year he was above league average in EFG was his rookie season. This year he is well below the average. Brown has been just above league average the last 5 seasons. Efficient scoring is so important in his league. Couple them with Smart, Schroeder and Horford who are also below (the first 2 well below) league average efficiency (Celts are 20th in NBA in offensive efficiency and 24th in EFG%) for the season and you have a recipe for a middling team unless the team is elite defensively which they are not The Celtics need more efficient scoring. I'm sure they can increase their efficiency if they buy into a different offensive system that passes up good shots for great ones and moves the ball. Too much isolation offense on this team.

[@javigar133]

Hmmm, the two Js are good, but won't ever be in the MVP conversation or the first option in a Championship team. So, what should the Cs do? If the goal is to win, TRADE

[@manadam7669]

I disagree, it's time to split them. They already tried Thomas, Irving, Kemba and now Dennis all at the point and it ended in failure all the same.

[@markmelillo5699]

Thomas never played with Tatum and Brown, Irving and Kemba got hurt they also played better without them and Schroedder is just there to get traded for an asset.

[@PaM07675]

They didnt even play together yesterday. They only played 15 games together

[@silvallyy]

We just need a damn playmaker

[@BigRome619]

Yes look how Bulls got set up with a playmaker , they NEED someone at the guard that will do that for them

[@penndavis471]

Thank you tucker

[@revan3841]

isn't there a dragic trade that would work? If he has anything left, he'd be a good cheap, short-term fix. Say, Lamb, Warren, and a 2nd to the Raps, Smart and Hermangomez to the Pacers and Dragic to the C's?

[@markmelillo5699]

No just no, Dragic is 36 making 18 million, he is a negative asset and more than likely a buyout candidate. You do not trade one of the best defenders in the NBA for a guy about thats about to retire in 4 months.

[@WolfsDE]

Personally, I want t blow it all up and start over. As you said, they play an ugly brand of basketball. Individually, both excellent players, as a roster ..this isn't working. It is time trade and get different players in and better passing, floor spacing, perimeter shooting...which they need. Don't be stubborn and hold onto them until it gets ugly like the situation got in Philly. Get some good players, good assets back, let the team tank a little so the draft pick will be a couple of spots better in the draft, move on and get some expiring deals for players who you want gone. Take a step back for this year and next and be ready to strike with big free agency deals in the 2023 off season. The Celtics are a historic franchise in a historic city. A very large market with great restaurants, hospitals and a lot to do both in season and in the off season. So if the front office can't use that to attract star players, then I don't know what would. This is a team with a ton of championship banners and hall of Fame players. If the front office can't sell a player on this...what are they doing?

[@Htiy]

Yes. It’s a win now NBA, there are like 4-5 tanking teams total. In 5-6 years, those teams as well as young good teams (Charlotte, Cleveland, Toronto, Memphis, etc) will be dominating the NBA as stars age