IS JINGYUAN OVER HATED?

[@HanH838]

If LL has a 100% Action advance on 10 stacks, bro would go up a tier. I cannot count how many times I've had 10 stacks and LL is still behind my JY and now I have excess stacks. Truly an our general moment.

[@umani9983]

Yeah it's like Acheron got everything JingYuan didn't. Get to over cap on her stacks, choose primary damage target for her big damage burst instead of random, front loaded damage.

[@dodedirga13]

And acheron AOE DMG jingyuan bounce blast DMG​@@umani9983

[@marcusshane]

The amount of times I've had 10 stacks built up and some random 2bit pos mob randomly puts a debuff on JY completely skipping LL's turn is quite stupid. This mechanic is especially stupid since we know LL in lore can move on it's own like we saw in Phantylia fight.

[@RenTinyviel]

Or higher cap of stacks

[@robertjif6337]

or LL sit on the start of next cycle, on last cycle in pure fiction

[@kian239]

“using 4 stars for a relatable jing yuan showcase” >look inside >e1s1 ruan mei

[@slyapproach2751]

100k tingyun basic attack on yanqing weakness break... 😂 Slow Mei giga support 💀😆

[@justjuniorjaw]

I mean, if you looked outside he's comparing all Seele, Argenti & JY with the same trio of E1 Ruan Mei + Tingyun + Pela. Only changes were the DPS. However as you can see. The effort JY needed was quite big 😂

[@blasianking4827]

The same that Pokke used but be dumb I guess

[@KakavashaForever]

@@justjuniorjaw Because that team is great for Argenti and Seele, and just okay for JY. Different characters need different teams to show their strength.

[@kyoukaiten3834]

@@KakavashaForever That's JY best team wdym 💀

[@fredxu99]

I feel like 0-cycles, while fun to look at as a benchmark, is not necessarily indicative of a unit's general performance. Most people aren't going to push that limit, it's probably better to compare clears with a sustain in 2-3 cycles rather than 0-cycle, since that's probably what a majority of the playerbase is doing. That being said it's tragic that LL can only act once per cycle ever and everyone else has ways to push their damage forward, even DoT has ways to push its damage forward with Kafka :/

[@Guns-R-Us_]

majority of the playerbase? Dude, only 5% of the accounts that get made for this game ever reach MoC in the first place and most of that subset are struggling to clear that shit in 10 cycles because they're running Def% orb on their Yanqing. Maybe back when bosses didn't have >1mil HP and you had 20 cycles, maybe then it would be realistic, but even then, a 2-cycle clear for them would be as unrelatable as Pokke's 175 Spd Sparkle setup is to a lot of us -- and I say this as a player with 2 Crit Dmg chests with 9 spd each, my Sparkle is still barely 163 Spd. Seriously, just go over to the main HSR subreddit every time they release a new Penacony boss and watch the noobs bitch about them like it's the next Balteus or Radahn until it gets nerfed to the ground like 1.0 Tartaglia was. Do you honestly think these chucklefucks can clear MoC 12 at all, let alone do it in less than 5 cycles, if the story mode bosses are kicking their asses? Like sure, Sam was a bit of a matchup check and fucked over a lot of Bailu/Natasha users not prepared to deal with his bullshit. But Aven was just a regular fight with a nuke every few turns, nothing we haven't seen before, and this dude still became The Great Filter for a week. there's no point reaching for a moral high ground here, you could run it with 2 sustainers and it would still be unrelatable for the majority of players because your artifacts aren't hot trash and you know what teambuilding and speed tuning are. Face the facts, you and the people you interact with are a lot better at this game than you give yourselves credit for, and you'll never know just how bad the average player has it because the average players aren't asking for build advice in the Mains subs since the average players don't know those subs exist. True relatability is something you will never achieve, you became unrelatable the first time you rolled crit Dmg on a crit rate chest. aside from that I agree, Our General has gotten buffs every patch and he's still on life support somehow. Not controlling when your nuke detonates makes it a major pain in the ass to get full value from it, from overkill into the wrong target to mooks acting as meat shields for the elite. It's like Acheron getting walled by the stoplight droids and their shields, sucks when it happens but at least that enemy is rare nowadays.

[@jasonhil3829]

Neutraly.. Jingyuan has a problem? Yes Jingyuan overhated? Yes Even gigachad yellovv admit he receive unnecessary hate just bcs he simply sharing jingyuan gameplay (on his community post)

[@supmofos6986]

shout-out to Argenti mains probably the most chill and chaddest bunch out of all the character mains subreddit at least they acknowledge Argenti's faults and weaknesses

[@quietguyjosh4643]

For the beauty we stand⚘️

[@sharifzareeai8954]

May Idrilla bless you with an everlasting beauty

[@JayTheBoss242]

Argenti has mains 👀 😂

[@samsemy6825]

We stand against ill repute.

[@kreftl]

that's pretty much every mains subreddit except jingyuan

[@redfoxakame]

Idk about this question, but when I just got in the HSR fandom, there were people bullying someone for using Jing Yuan. I told them to stop it, then I got bullied for "defending Jing Yuan." Very early on I realized that this fandom is a bunch of kids. I don't really blame Jing Yuan mains for "overreacting" cause they always get sh*t on for fun. edit: That being said, it is absolutely fine to acknowledge a character's weakness. But to straight up mock others for using a unit you dislike is just disgusting.

[@Testerossa]

The thing is tho the Jing yuan mains keep denying the weakness of his weaknesses and instead attack other units to put him above them

[@redfoxakame]

@@Testerossa ah yeah, that's not good. If that's the case, then it's on them.

[@Guns-R-Us_]

@@Testerossa yep, it's literally the exact same shit the Eula mains from Genshin do on a daily basis. Complain that physical damage sucks but then bitch and cry when someone uses her in a Hyperbloom team because "it's not a real Eula team" or some shit. Like ok dude, go make your Eula Hypercarry team clear faster than Alhaitham and Neuvilette then, and don't use Raiden during Eula's downtime because then it's a glorified Raiden Hyper team.

[@coreo6688]

Bro I love Argenti andI love Blade in game but I despise Jing Yuan I do not enjoy the gameplay, the moment he released it was a landslide but when you get so many cards that are insane and easier to play , why would you bother, it's so unfun and I'm gonna pull for Sam and prolly quit again for a while, guess what will inevitabely happen (the same thing, but I hope not because they have experience now)

[@kingcopium9143]

All we can do is hope and cope for a follow-up attacker to activate other follow-up attacks that can allow him two LL in one cycle and even then he'll just be on par with other top tier dps and not broken or anything.

[@chrisxtyy]

jing yuan is my favourite character and i absolutely love him, but even then i still acknowledge his flaws. just a pity that he will keep getting outshined by other characters.

[@kBn...]

Imagine a support that forcefully triggers a teammate's follow up 🤯

[@zerogeassuseralt]

That will have to be next patch. JY already has his buff this patch

[@sct77]

That's not even a good thing for him, he wants his follow up to take a while to land so he can take care of adds first, otherwise it deals no damage. I've seen low hp elites tank a his follow up by spawning adds.

[@destinystriumph1573]

Like a ‘action advance’ or speed boost for bonus characters like numby and LL would be goated

[@israyantidien4287]

LL should automatically trigger when reach 10 stack, it will fix his problem

[@dyaztama1364]

​@@zerogeassuseraltjust wait for the next patch lol -jy mains every patch ever

[@SonicBoyster]

Man, I pulled for Blade as my first DPS before I even had Bronya. Just having him on the team was a massive boost to my ability to get through content. Speed tuning him with E1 Bronya made him a beast back in the day. Nowadays he's just... I mean, c'mon. Unless you've got a fully speed tuned unlimited-blade-works team, the man is just putting out depressing damage. Juan has nothing to be ashamed of.

[@Andychiu845]

well blade is actually a great beginner dps. He just comfy to play, simple play style with decent aoe and single, he also sustain himself make the game easier too. I will always grateful for my blade even though i probably never use him again.

[@darkgrundi9543]

let's hope that with Sam's release we get either a better relic set, a hp sacrifice support harmony/nihility or both to finally let him shine. Currently i am only using him in my Jingliu team only because my Bronya has a dogwater build and i can't be bothered to speed tune her.

[@-rayzer--wolf-6474]

if there's any character I would pull just because I think they could be fun and I think they're cool reguardless of performance it would be Blade 100%

[@stormswarm2178]

i agree so much. when i pulled Blade it made the game feel a lot easier but now he simply can’t hang with the other DPS.

[@asianbboy911]

I will say one thing about blade. He is the perfect comfy casual dps. I consider box2 to be pretty much what a lot of casual players are like. For people like him blade is a god send because he cant seem make most normal dps characters work lmao

[@Galariel]

Honestly speaking, if Jingyuan is to be released past 2.0 we know damn well lightning lord will be advanced forward by 100% once Jingyuan reach 10 stacks. ☠️☠️ But we know they have no history in buffing old units, this will just remains in the realm of dream.

[@Yuki-xf1bb]

I hope hoyo fix old units like how FGO do. Other low star units in FGO can loop ult with proper set ups

[@shwix6534]

That s just one of the problems, plus you'll not get 10 stacks everytime... But i m pretty sure with that he should be one tier under the best tier

[@The_Lightless]

@@shwix6534hell no lol. If that mechanic was a thing he would be Acheron level or even better. He wouldn’t even be the same character. Think about it, you can just use characters like HuoHuo Sparkles and Tingyun to get as many ultimates as possible and get multiple LightningLord rotations off. That much of a damage boost is incomprehensible.

[@izayoisakamaki136]

​@@The_Lightlessnot even close. Even with all that he won't get more than 2 LL in 1 cycle. JY 3 turns is 6 stacks and let's assume 3 ults is 9 stacks so 15 total. His technique adds that to 21 I think so it's 2 LL. Bronya could make him go 4 times but that makes 0 difference. And acherons ult deals like 3-4 times LL dmg and she can do that twice in the first cycle which tbf is useless since everything is dead.

[@troy2223]

@@Yuki-xf1bb True, i hate how popular and lore-relevant characters in hoyo games are sure to get unusable one day( looking at you venti) because it's obvious a lot of people love them and have them as their waifu/husbando and want to use them a lot in their game. In FGO aside from the support you can pull for all dps you want and they will be viable all the same. Imagine if saber never got any of her buffs lol people would riot

[@ArclightLuna]

I feel like JY issue would be fixed if, LL just auto went after 10 stacks

[@destinystriumph1573]

Yup, and it’s in my honest opinion that if he was released today, that would happen

[@DenjiDugong]

​@@destinystriumph1573If he is released today he will have some trace and talent that will increase either his attack, damage, cdm, or res pen. And then we will have E2 that's like "lightning lord ignore 25% of enemy defense, after using ultimate immediately gain full stack and advance Forward lightning lord"😂

[@bacquivaguidelava]

@@destinystriumph1573he got the early character kit problems 🥲

[@ymw1107]

​@@DenjiDugongpowercreep is just a birch aint it? Its even more apparent in the sustain section than the dps atm, but it is what it is.

[@Shuraig7]

They just made him weak on purpose cause he’s a 1.0 character, to sell the lightning dpss that came later. Scummy greedy hoyo

[@HyakuPercent0509]

It's because there are other 5 star limited lightning dps, kafka and acheron, that's why he always gets mentioned. Only blade is the only 5 star wind dps, argenti is our only 5 star hypercarry physical and Seele is also our only quantum 5 star dps.

[@Tiasung]

There's also Black Swan. Dont underestimate her dps potential.

[@HyakuPercent0509]

@@Tiasung True. but tbf, they function very differently, so it's hard to compare them both. it's like clara and argenti.

[@RePollster]

​@@Tiasungblack swan is more of a sub dps so she doesn't count. Mainly due to the fact that her damage is back rather than front loaded.

[@AzariusR]

Bruh at least people who had no Seele has Qingque who can gamble her way up to Seele tier damage and AoE, and now there is also a very decent Acheron-lite that is Xueyi as well for Quantum too.

[@rabbss830]

​@@RePollster what's wrong with backloaded damage?

[@AevyCh]

Jingyuan is simply not designed for 0-cycle. That's like asking for DoT teams to frontload their damage without Kafka.

[@destinystriumph1573]

*coughs in every 4-star being able to proc their own DoTs with eidolons*

[@satoukazuma2875]

Well Kafka doesn't really suffer that much from it, that's the problem, LL is just so fundamentally poorly designed that it's hard to sugarcoat

[@27Ganon]

yeah you just die too often because your dmg is backloaded, at least with DoT you can just run HH for a near 0 performance drop

[@nachalnik5738]

He literally 0 cycles this same MoC 12, lol. He's worse than Acheron, but not a complete dogshit like you all pretend him to be

[@0kaiKai]

@@nachalnik5738 also worse than crit Kafka and worse than Serval *

[@ambrose1123]

people are just being truthful and they take it as a slander💀

[@n1c3tr1ck2]

People said that if you like a character you should play them, but meta slaves: "youre so stupid why play JY, we have acheron"

[@maingrader4434]

​@@n1c3tr1ck2real

[@avislater7651]

@@n1c3tr1ck2 Not really, its from JY players saying that he's still on par with the top 3 dps's, or better than Seele, and that's where the argument is

[@satoukazuma2875]

​@@avislater7651Since when was JY ever better than Seele lmao

[@27Ganon]

@@satoukazuma2875 there are people who def think that, some people think Seele's the worst limited DPS in the game (e.g. maybe Tectone)

[@bronben5479]

Ngl, this felt more like an ad for E1 Ruan Mei than anything

[@ittehitteh9322]

facts majority of the JY mains are saying hes good is running him with e1s1 sparkle and ruan mei

[@SchifferThe2nd]

E1 Ruan Mei is definitely on my wishlist now.

[@mrdeafter]

​@@ittehitteh9322you forgot JY also need to be E1S1 as well but still whine about Acheron needing her S1 to be good lmao

[@ittehitteh9322]

@@mrdeafter yes this. mfs saying OMG acheron so expensive but you only need her lightcone to get online. meanwhile other dps needs E1S1 sparkles+ ruan mei and their own lightcone

[@rolf1819]

@@ittehitteh9322 Yet here I am, autoing moc with tingyun, asta, fuxuan...

[@unholyarthur1]

Truth ≠ slander

[@Wells1707]

really important reminder, The Gacha community have a serious problem in addressing that

[@hitoribocchers]

I'm surprised some people don't know something like this slander is supposed to be untrue people

[@grigoryp.7366]

for them, it is slander, because they don't consider their favorite character being mid as truth

[@ittehitteh9322]

truth = JY redditor mains are clowns

[@khaledmohamed6856]

Yeah right that's definitely what's been happening since he came out. Truth and nothing but the truth

[@7Clover]

The thing is, Mr. Pokke is not the problem. It's that people are directing the hate at the wrong entity. If you feel like JingYuan needs change submit a feed back to Hoyoverse. Fighting among communities and such are absolutely stupid. There are people who hate Acheron, Argenti, Kafka, and even Jing Yuan, so they will not pull on them. Like I pulled every characters but DOT characters because I hate the DOT style. If I was f2p, then yeah I would care about tier units and such, but for money spenders it really doesn't matter. I also play Genshin and I have seen people who C6R5(basically E6S5) characters like Yoimiya or Eula, whom are lower in the tierlist, and that is fine. Even for me, character Neuvillette is so broken that he can solo Spiral Abyss (basically MOC) for one side at E0-E1, but I prefer using Ayato at times too. optimal doesn't always equate to fun for some. I do wish toxicity from both Jing Yuan mains and the rest of the communities would stop though. Obviously, not everyone is like this but there are people whom act like kids. At the end of the day, its just a game.

[@barpeot7966]

Holy based take. Also worth pointing out is that the biggest "objective" of the game for most players is just to clear MoC, not to 0-cycle MoC. I think a lot of CCs put way too much emphasis on the competitive aspects of the game, and forget that the game isn't that serious or try hard for like 99% of players.

[@7Clover]

Agreed. There is also no pvp. I have played actual hard games like dark souls, and sekiro and those actually take skills. Also if people have played actual hard turn based rpgs like, persona 3 fes: the answer, then people will know those actually take skill. Heck, I played fire emblem three houses dlc lately, and that is way harder than this. All I am saying is, this game is easy, so why bother fighting over things when every limited banner units can clear everything. We should just be thankful that 4 stars are actually useful unlike many other gacha games. I have played gacha game called, Fire Emblem Heroes, and in that game new 5 star unit completely destroys all other units. This happens like every few months. Also 4 stars are all useless. Coming from playing other gacha games, Jing Yuan or the other units are honestly not that bad. But I do feel like older units will definitely need direct buffs when their next rerun hits so the new players will have more options for pulling characters. I find it extremely boring when everyone uses the same units and same builds.

[@Mast3rOfTimeAndSpace]

I bet you most people don't even care about Jing Yuan. They just want to trigger the Jing Yuan mains cause they are so easy to meme on.

[@ranggaanw]

This

[@barpeot7966]

Absolutely true

[@nickiminaj2491]

i think that was established early on

[@Guns-R-Us_]

they make it so fucking easy, people stopped shitting on Seele a long time ago because their mains aren't as quick to respond to getting poked. They've always had this thing of "So what if Qingque or Jingliu gets better results on most accounts? I don't want to main her because Seele's more fun" that JY mains can't fathom for some reason. Same reason Argenti mains don't catch flak over Clowndwen ranking Herta above him, they really just don't give a fuck.

[@ascherkas]

@@Guns-R-Us_ I know people have different tastes and shit, but it's still funny how most (not all, but most) mains of one character are absolute chads and most mainers of the other character are little triggered whiners.

[@LikeACrouton]

Argenti's been one of the highest value pulls I've done tbh. Even before pure fiction, bro was a calyx destroying machine. I also just kinda like him as a character, might grab his LC on rerun.

[@siege_sensei]

Same tbh. I have had JY since release and the whole game has been a struggle with him as my dps. He's not so bad now because of all the buffs he's gotten over time but Argenti feels better to use to me.

[@nehirk616]

I have him and his LC as well. My go-to character for brute-forcing. I am considering getting him an e1 even. But most importantly, I love his character.

[@soultanobie]

go get it, his rerun is currently ongoing

[@supremacy98]

Like in genshin, any character can clear all endgame content, just depends how committed you are to getting amazing relics. Some players just don't want to commit all their time into one character, so they feel that jingyuan just isn't worth the months of grinding. Characters like Blade, Kafka, Jingliu etc. can perform as well with less investment, which for more casual players like me, is much more valuable than hitting lower dmg with a character that you have invested months into, even bought their LC and eidolons

[@daniel698324]

There is no bigger lie in this community to the point of having so many people believing it than that JY is mid, and for Pokke to still be saying at this point that "speedtuning and buffs for LL" are still problems for him with the support options currently available makes it quite clear that he has very little idea what he is talking about and is a major contributor to this lie, and has nothing to do with "hating" him

[@VinceTheCreatorr]

If you told me jing Yuan was an Emanator of the hunt I'd believe it since he can literally summon a giant Stand/Persona to fight. In game he got the Nerf of Death. 😢

[@loow03]

bruh. he's not emanator🤣

[@Qisth75]

Bro is probably uninformed before this

[@VinceTheCreatorr]

@@loow03 🤦🏿‍♂️I know he's not, I'm saying he could be because of lightning lord 😭

[@mrdeafter]

Marshal Hua is the Emanator of the Hunt. I mean she controls all the Xianzhou ships not just one.

[@leilida7149]

@@loow03 Reading comprehension be like:

[@riven4121]

Hoyoverse will sell you the solution and make a character that can either advance forward summoned units like LL or Numby or force your summoned unit/follow up attack to trigger. That said Jing Yuan is the one unit I regret pulling for.

[@userusernomi]

for real, it was the very beginning of the game and I just wanted any shiny new 5-stars. I try not to be too hard on myself for pulling for him, but I do get annoyed every time I see him on my account and think about all the other excellent units I missed out on because of that.

[@Ooweeeooo]

Yeah I do love his aesthetics but I haven’t used him since I got Kafka and now I have Kafka and Acheron who are both busted. (I’ve gotten very lucky and only lost 2 50-50’s)

[@QMS9224]

That would be insane but I feel it's maybe a 3.0 thing at the earliest, we don't have nearly enough summons type units for it to be a specific mechanic. But yea I'll admit I'm a jingyuan doomposter (cuz it's too fun to troll them lol) but a unit that's essentially kafka but triggers lightning lord would actually be broken

[@ymw1107]

​​@@Ooweeeooofunny enough for me, ever since i got acheron, kafka is just sitting on my bench for now. I personally just never really vibe with dot gameplay here, so i guess she can just sit pretty at my bench while my acheron destroy every content available without breaking a sweat

[@proshazkler]

​@@userusernomifr tho 😭 I was stupid and wanted tingyun e4 but I accidentally got him at 61 and learned my lesson since

[@arturfguin]

The intro was a 10/10

[@Bing..chiling]

😭😭😭

[@Kyyon_]

The scrolling outro is a 12/10

[@Borovski213]

from my experience, he is good but easily outshined by other DPS. His pro is also his biggest weakness which is LL. As long as that thing doesnt drop immediately at 10 stacks, he will always be lower tier in my eyes. JY mains have been like "oh look he's S tier now accept it loser", im like sure he got all those buffs just to get him to S tier but if any other character get the same thing they will go beyond that

[@supmofos6986]

true as someone who owns an E6S1 JY the fact that it took multiple premium supports for him to be considered a good DPS pretty funny I've always been vocal about how his kit was wack it's like the devs made his kit interesting but then gave up halfway

[@aaroncoffman7964]

@@supmofos6986 And what people dont understand is you dont NEED premium supports for him to be "good". People need to stop running him on SPD boot and accept he needs a support that supplies him speed. Asta and Tingyun did it for patches WAY before Sparkles even got released. Ruan Mei was the point when he actually became "competitive" with some other DPS(not like he can beat Jingliu and the other S+ tier dps) but he's never been "garbage"

[@Amir-ry7pp]

Its not as if all the buffs jy receive, cant be benefit by other dps. Im sure tons of other dps also benefit from huohuo, sparkle, fuxuan.

[@dumpsterplayer5133]

@@supmofos6986 Jingyuan has Yoimiya syndrome, where his number is fine, and he eventually became pretty decent with post-release support, but there's just a core mechanical issue that has you scratching your head on why didn't they think about this when they were designing him. Its worse for Yoimiya because Diluc C6 already existed in game and Itto came out like 2 patches after with the very same mechanic baked into his base kit, but Topaz coming out shows they were somewhat aware of JY's LL static speed issue and made Numby dynamic instead with ADV forward. Plus Yoimiya was released during the time period where a lot of characters kit came out half baked and needed another CBT cycle of development, whereas JY was a launch patch char with plenty of dev time.

[@supmofos6986]

@@dumpsterplayer5133 i find this funny because Yoimiya is my favorite Genshin character i have her at C6E1 as well lol

[@sct77]

Reminder that their reddit avoided posting the current Pure Fiction data (something they always do) just because it made Jing Yuan look bad. No one should be taking them seriously.

[@mrdeafter]

They also have multiple "TCs" ran the "test" with the most scuffed Acheron team possible to make her deal 16% less than JY best team lmfao. Even I saw through this biased test immediately.

[@sct77]

@@mrdeafter It's so ironic for them out of all people to slander another unit for being mid.

[@The_Lightless]

I’ve always said Jing Yuan is not that good in Pure fiction. He has a tight threshold you need to meet and if you mess up a bit, you will waste LL rotation on trash mobs and the run is ruined. Also his E1 makes it way better in pure fiction. That said, I used him and he was able to get the job done for me even E0 so I have no reason to complain.

[@purpleburple-i3t]

midyuan mains are one of the most insufferable people isn't it? lol

[@The_Lightless]

@@purpleburple-i3t grammar 💯

[@AzariusR]

Its kinda sad that Jing Yuan didn't turn out like how Zhong Li did in Genshin Impact as Jing Yuan is literally the General of Luofu and appeared so much right before Penacony released.

[@ittehitteh9322]

zhong li remains the best shielder in the game. jing yuan is a total flop. did you even see the amount of resets he had to go thru even with a e1s1 rm lol

[@christianmanso2268]

Zhonglis counterpart here would be hua. Both being the representative of the China region.

[@dumpsterplayer5133]

Zhongli is the god of the Chinese representative region, its not even close. Jing Yuan is closer to an Adepti, he's only a general of A ship in a fleet of ships, there's 6 others of his rank.

[@AzariusR]

What I actually meant was he should be buffed like how Zhong Li was, not by lorewise or anything, even if you state lorewise he ain't as strong as ZhongLi whatever, he did involve himself in the Xianzhou arc pretty consistently alongside Imbibitor Lunae lol. He definitely looks like he's the only one character that was nerfed by his LL per one turn issue. While other newer character seems to have fix 'His' issue instead of actually truly fixing Jing Yuan's kit.

[@dumpsterplayer5133]

@@AzariusR Zhongli got buffed because the god of china being weak pissed off the CN community and they basically harassed Mihoyo into buffing him (fax bomb, threatening to report them for tax evasion, etc...). Jing Yuan is nothing in comparison, hence no backlash, hence no buff

[@EKTOS]

I've been a jy main ever since jy release in 1.0 and i love the playstyle even to this day my jy is still one of my best unit(having a 3k atk with 130 spd and 75/180 crit) despite me having jl and acheron i still remember how much investment i give him and reinvestment when duke set release until i get acheron bcause if imma be real acheron and jy have the same stacking mechanics before unleashing there dmg only difference is acheron have freedom and more control on her dmg compare to jy 1 turn LL which only not slow but also have a random targeting making zero cycle more RNG jy will only be really good as 1 cycle unit zero cycling with him and ur putting urself in pain either way i will still use him maybe bcause of the comfort and experience i have with him but acheron being very similar is giving me the same feeling so yeah guess jl will be the one permanently bench

[@shunnie8482]

Every strong female character is hated. Husbando pullers are way too toxic in this game.

[@FabricFather]

I JingYuanly can’t believe this

[@siege_sensei]

This got a chuckle out of me, good one.

[@codewunder6565]

If Jing Yuan's lightning lord stack worked like himeko's and the follow up goes the moment you reach the limit he would be S across the board.

[@peterbabicki8252]

I think Jing Yuan is still a decent pick, if you like him. You might not be able to 0 cycle with ease, but you'll clear MoC and PF with him. He isn't exceptional in Moc or PF, but he's good enough in both, so you're killing two birds with one stone, unlike Jingliu who is unstoppable in MoC, but falls off in PF. He's also decent enough in single target and AoE, because of how his LL works. Sort of the Jack of all trades, master of none.

[@RePollster]

If you like him pull for him, but if you want meta, respectfully, you will brick your account lol. Comparing to kafka and acheron ofc.

[@peterbabicki8252]

@@RePollster Agreed.

[@tkg3me]

This is hella good cook lmao ​@@RePollster

[@ZeppeliGaming]

0 cycle is genuinely the worst thing this community created. It's a fun challenge for tryhard players but cmon why are we making it into a standard when this game is TURN BASED??? what is so fun about 0 cycling a turn based game. I honestly thing barely winning is a lot more satisfactory because it relies on your luck and skill

[@RePollster]

@@ZeppeliGaming if that's your thing go for it, but I'd rather have lots of room for personal error and still clear all content I want 😅

[@tribopower]

People just don't understand that Jing Yuan had to learn to walk just so other DPS could run

[@jsk1429]

😭

[@Luna_Celes]

That doesn't make sense because Seele released first lol

[@ittehitteh9322]

@@Luna_Celes thats just what JY mains do to convince themselves

[@taesshi]

@@Luna_Celes And just like all the older dps, she has no pull value.

[@mcbx3d]

@@taesshi Apart from Acheron who speedruns the SU farm and world farm, I don't think any DPS has pull value, it's more use whoever you want.

[@Zer0Hour17]

I like everything about Jing Yuan except his kit. Genuinely hoping for a "Dhil" situation where we get a version of him where he's fused with the lightning lord and works more like a normal unit.

[@deldalus]

to fix JY's LL, they has to release a support character that can action forward+increases stack for other character's summoned unit. as for now we only had LL and Numby being summoned unit. so imo it not gonna happen until we had more summoner-type characters so that niche support can sell on banner.

[@SuperPaper_34]

I remember in the 2.1 beta the JYmains subreddit was coping so fucking hard that Acheron had similar flaws as him and was worse than him. Hoyo subreddits tend to have a lot of people who think they are way more correct than they are and aren’t afraid to be toxic about it, but that place takes it to a whole new level with even the mods participating in the goddamn sidebar of all places. Now that they have zero chance of being taken seriously when trying to drag down Acheron, they are going for the “soft targets” (or so they think) of Argenti, Blade, and Seele. I can’t decide whether it’s sad or funny. As for why this keeps happening, I think it’s just a consequence of the initial impetus of the community. Back in 1.0, there were a lot of sus pre-release takes about skipping Seele for JY being the meta, and naturally there were toxic people trying to make people who rolled Seele feel bad and glaze JY. But when it turned out that he just didn’t measure up to expectations and had a lot of flaws that didn’t show up in the naive on-paper analysis (eternal theme of Hoyo game TC btw), it became clear that the ones who missed out were actually those who skipped Seele for JY. The initial wave of mockery was just desserts for those toxic people, but the innocent husbando pullers got caught in the crossfire, and the schmucks who got conned by the pre-release glazers and pulled him for meta reasons got burned. The burned schmucks then split into angry JY haters and delusional JY copers, and this fed fuel to the fire creating a vicious cycle where every patch without fail the JYmains community can be found trying to explain why ackshually he is top tier and just got buffed and there’s a double standard where the “really” mid characters aren’t getting their share of hate, making themselves an easy target for more bullying when all that comes crashing down and it becomes apparent that it was grade A copium. And it all reached a crescendo in the 2.1 beta cycle where JY was rated up on the live servers right before the release of Acheron. You had the direct creep vibe with her being AoE lightning, you had the husbando vs waifu tension that’s become an inevitable toxicity breeder, you had the release of Sparkle to give JYmains overconfidence, and you had the classic Raiden doomposting cycle where even her own mains subreddit does its best to delude itself into thinking she’ll be mid or whalebait or both. It was the perfect storm to bring out unprecedented levels of delusion and cope from JYmains. And boy has it been entertaining. Anyway, it’s all a lesson in the dangers of becoming invested in characters for their spot on a tier list. It’s not that JY is shielding other communities from this phenomenon, it’s simply that other communities were not formed around bad performance expectations.

[@zzzz-ds4dg]

now they still coping mid yuan is better than acheron 16% dude .idk why mid yuan main subreddit coping so hard like that because accept the fact is too hard for them ?

[@zzzz-ds4dg]

I dont hate jing yuan character but i hate mid yuan main who always coping and make them self as victim 😂😂

[@blazingplayer22pq]

Personally thing they should start doing things like Strengthening Quests where one skill, talent, or trace are buffed just like in Fate Grand Order . Or maybe just balance patches.

[@kakekongcooking1028]

nuclear intro

[@Ikaretayaroudaze]

Decides to not use Sparkle because not f2p friendly, Decides to use E1 Ruanmei. IK that Argenti and Seele benefit more from Sparkle but atleast using her with Jingyuan would make his life easier 😦

[@RogerNbr]

"this sub has been on my ass" (deliberately goes to sub to farm content) yea alright bro youre the victim sure 😂

[@aerialdive]

i really wish jing yuan's lightning lord had 100% forward advance upon reaching 10 stacks or his eidolons at least gave him a way to overcap stacks or a buff to his effect res. yes, acheron is arguably a better lightning unit, and units will always have some kind of flaw within their kit in order to require synergy with others (eg. acheron needing 1-2 other nihility characters to perform at maximum output), and jing yuan has had a lot of soft buffs with gear / planar / etc releases and other support units. he isn't a bad unit by any means and is worth building if you have him, but not worth pulling for. i like him as a character and wish he was better balanced with the direction of the game's meta. i don't doubt we'll see buffs or tweaks to his kit in the future in order to maintain his viability but i am also keeping my hopes low. i want jing yuan to be good, but i also don't feel the need to froth at the mouth when people say he isn't a top DPS unit because he isn't. he works well within a niche much like other units are and serves a decent purpose as and when he's required.

[@xWiZ3]

Hear me out, what if we get a support that buffs the AV of both the user and the summoned unit but the summon gets a bigger AV? That way JY, Topaz or any other character with an additional unit mechanic can benefit from the buff and it would still synergize with their kits. But keep it in line so that the

[@yourpalbryan1442]

I mean, I pulled Jing Yuan when he first came out because Lightning Lord is a fucking Jojo reference staring me in the face. Like a fully autonomous nigh godly entity that moves according to its wielder's commands with the power of lightning? The only thing stopping it from being an actual reference is Jing Yuan (to my knowledge) has never said "yare yare daze". I enjoy the playstyle and the moments when lightning lord comes down with that spear to do damage is badass every single time. I'm not building him with full dedication, but I am slowly getting there. I'm building a follow up set, I need to find time to farm Erudition pieces and level his lightcone. But I still build other units. Ratio and Acheron is amazing at farming, I cleared my first difficulty 5 Swarm with Ratio. I cleared my first difficulty 5 conundrum 2 gold and gears with Acheron. I am building a Blade Jingliu team because I want to actually test their synergy out even if CCs have been saying "Jingliu's health steal counts to Blade's stacks so they have synergy- yeahiwanttotestthatmyselfdingdong. Point is, exactly as Mr. Pokke says: Build who you want, play who you want. And as the comments (some that I have read) are saying: JY mains, take a chill pill. the General of the Luofu, Divine Foresight, former member of the legendary Quintet and student of former Sword Champion Jingliu, Jing Yuan, has shortcomings just like every other DPS. You don't have to rag on others just to prove that he's better, you hear? Holy paragraphing uhh..... be nice to people, toxicity is not appreciated. Let's appreciate that HYV at least treats us Trailblazers equally well regardless of our mains, unlike the Travellers who have been asking for better rewards since anniversary 1.

[@resq6401]

Pokke just farming these JY slander points by putting him into moc against a unit with 40 innate lightning res

[@bluechicken8626]

Imagine when Jingyuan's Lightning Lord stacks reaches 10 and it immediately launches the FuA and it focuses on the enemy that has larger HP like if there's 2 elites and 3 mobs then it would be: 3 LL hits elite enemy A 3 LL hits elite enemy B 2 LL hits mob enemy A 1 LL hits mob enemy B 1 LL hits mob enemy C Also if you have 10 LL stacks and when you use his skill/ultimate again you would store the stacks with a max of 3 stacks like Acheron's crimson knot. One can dream (COPIUM).

[@lixivia8350]

Thats just acheron 😢

[@elhichi8630]

How to fix Jing Yuan? Release a supp that immideatly advances "summons" like LL or Topaz rat?

[@kimura2176]

it literally boils down to "accept your main is not even top 5 at this point and stop selling him like it was a top 5 unit" is not hard to accept it, you can keep playing jing yuan, but don't impose the narrative that he isn't powercrept when he 100% is powercrept, powercrept is not the same as useless, as shown in here, ALL dps in both early and late 1.x are still doing great, but you will get A LOT more confort from playing the big 3 DPS and recommending someone a 1.0 unit is not a good thing, no matter how much you love the unit.

[@maiadraconica6488]

Pela and E1 Ruan mei being like 75% def shred is insane.

[@senyormamak3098]

i love my JingYuan, fun to play. At the end of the day, he will never have 'On Demand' damage on his highest DPS ability. i have 340% CD from Double Broken Keel + Sparkle + Bronya, I like seeing the big pp dmg from the unnecessarily obese hyper buffs, but the point still stands, LL is not on-demand dmg.

[@sweepy.]

Jingyuan ran so argenti could walk.

[@ytrewqfdsacxz3181]

💀

[@Amir-ry7pp]

The Argenti thats in B tier in moc tier list? 🤔

[@aba7968]

@@Amir-ry7pp Prydwen lists aren't the end of all be, but that being said he's great in PF at least

[@AIA222-yu5ml]

@@Amir-ry7pp if my Argentina that does 700k without his lc is B teir, I don't know what to say 😔

[@Amir-ry7pp]

@@aba7968 which jy also good at too? 🤔

[@Unholy_Brez]

I’m sorry but as someone with a E2S1 blade, as someone who loves blade since he came out. There is no reasonable way people actually see him as a main dps man is the most sub Dps to ever sub dps 😭😭💀 Edit: I used to use blade on a team of healers and healers alone to clear harder content bc he could and would survive. But I recommend using actual DPS units that can utilize supports

[@gym4379]

Damn this is so sad ngl..he will get his support one day

[@MakotoMajima30]

they buffed him directly/indirectly since 1.0 so constructive criticism is good sometimes. this is an ez game, if he smashes content and you are happy spending on him its fine. powercreep exists so plan ahead and be satisfied with what you spend on

[@Silvonaut]

Does power-creep exist? Yes. Does it matter? NO. From a strictly "meta" perspective yes his pull value is bad, but who GAF, play who you like because ultimately thats the true longevity you'll get out of your account.

[@fauzitsabitkemal]

I pulled JY just because his JP va is the one voiced jotaro and the lightning lord looks like stand lol

[@maingrader4434]

​@@fauzitsabitkemalI just pulled cuz he has good animations

[@jsk1429]

What a pointless comment

[@israyantidien4287]

It's still doesn't change the fact that jy still has a problem tho It's just your own personal choice

[@Kyle-km7eg]

If that's what you think then you shouldn't GAF if we call him trash

[@jthedood1605]

as a blade user since his release and been using him for a heck long time tryharding on simulated uni. he is indeed mid. i have his sig and he still underperforms vs jingliu with f2p cone

[@blakedout]

Genuinely don’t understand people that say Blade is mid, mine performs really well at e0s1

[@yungshull]

Mine deals 400k ults 500k followups and 180k enhanced basics 😅

[@jthedood1605]

@@blakedout i mean sure if u think he is good enough, not up there with my other dps atleast from my personal experience. and the other dps not even have their S1

[@ratioeducation69]

Ehh not to say anything about character's power but the fact that MoC have the trotter that receive significantly more damage from basic attacks actually give Seele a bit of an advantage

[@Audaciter2]

Not neccessarily, especially with Pela debuffing it before the attack and Tingyun giving her buff as well. The trotter has roughly 60k hp, with TY's buff alone Seele can do 60k with her basic due to Benediction, the pela ult is just overkill for it. In a different team? Maybe, for example if you use SW over Pela as you'd never debuff the trotter and maybe no TY on the team. Other characters can just kill it with their AoE instead, so it doesnt'waste their turn.

[@ratioeducation69]

@@Audaciter2 no seele still get the advantage because she wants to proc resurgence and the bonus damage the trotter receive from basic attacks definitely helps no matter how you put it. Keep in mind our characters stats are not the norm, majority of players have shit gear and the moc buff definitely give seele an edge.

[@Audaciter2]

@@ratioeducation69 That is true, for the majority it helps her (not by much), but not in the case of 0 cycles. You're not doing 0 cycles with shit gears.

[@deadpaul6587]

Damn, not running vonwaq on the slow ruan mei was actually rly smart for the last clear

[@SpanishYes1]

As a blade main, I agree that blade is totally outscaled nowadays and therefore wouldn't recommend any new player to pull for him unless he was their favorite character. It's not hard to receive critique about your favorite characters weaknesses. :shrug:

[@somerandomcrab4931]

argenti isn't mid btw, mine hits 770k 5 targets and 325k single target, genuinely, f2p btw, e0s1, he isn't even fully built yet cuz I have mid relics, if u have a problem with his energy requirements just use him with bronya and tingyun, Tho I mostly run him with RM and Bronya, I'll need to check later how he does with tingyun

[@ImagineCats9339]

I find it weird that people shame others for play a specific character and try so hard to trashtalk them , the same shit happens in genshin impact people trash talk some characters like Cyno, and I'm pretty sure this will be happan in Wuthering Waves soon , gacha games players are weird and I feel ashamed sometimes for being in this community, HSR and GI are easy PVE games that you can clear the harderst content with 4* characters and 3*/4* weapons and people are obssessed too much about who is better than who

[@driftingsoul1999]

I don't understand why people are complaining about Jing Yuan. I've been max clearing MoC ever since 1.1 using JY without Bronya

[@ABC-yj6cy]

Wtf uses JY with bronya?! Her dmge buff from skill doesn't boost LL which is majority of JY's dmge. But then again, if you play JY like that, he'll be worse than midyuan 😅

[@Ilikegames804]

@@ABC-yj6cy Funnily enough Bronya was his BIS support Pre-RM outperforming both Hanya and Asta by around 40%+

[@ZelniteMH]

@@ABC-yj6cyI mean he could have been like me and had to wait until 300 standard warps to get Bronya finally. Had to cope without Bronya for a while cuz standard banner kept giving me Bailu cones (S3 btw kms)

[@QMS9224]

I just came here to farm drama in the comments 🍿🍿🍿

[@NegativeAaa]

this 0 cycle thing is getting out of touch, 99.99% of player dont even do 0 cycle. i think the best thing to test unit is to keep it relatable with decent invesment and 2-4 cycle clear per node

[@mcbx3d]

I think that this type of thing it's not here in this channel, it's more the Gacha Smack thing. Here you'll see more the tryhard 0 cycle side of the things, especially with someone who does the test saying that it is "relatable" using RM E2S1.

[@shyamsundar7737]

Leno probably used JY skill to get crit rate from one of his passives... 10% cr iirc

[@bewitted1169]

JY is definitely now dead due to the fact that someone on bilibili 0 cycled yanqing with e0s0 Seele using only 4 stars which includes a SUSTAIN (Lynx).Yellovv 0 cycled yanqing with Jing Yuan using 4 stars only, but had triple support and 3 5 star lightcones.

[@cinereus4670]

ruan mei lc is easily replaced by planetary rendezvous, same with bronya lc being replaced by past and future or cogs this is also not to mention thay JY is an erudition unit, and was never meant to be the best MOC unit. he's always been pretty good (when lightning res didn't fuck over all the lightning units), but a 4 star 0 cycle is still feasible

[@Meme-pg5tw]

From what im understanding Tingyun mitigates the weakness of argenti and seele, but doesnt with blade and jing yuan making seele and argenti look better but in a vacuum they are mostly equal

[@bulkytheyoshi]

I'm surprised people are afraid to admit the flaws of Jing Yuan. I'm still gonna main the character cause I enjoy him, but he is flawed

[@dumpsterplayer5133]

This has been going on since 1.1. It wasn't even JingyuanMains as a whole at first, just a few people with an agenda, but they kinda took over the subreddit and it turned into a whole echo chamber/tribalism thing. JingyuanMains when this drama started was just a basic fanart subreddit, most posts were build questions, there were very little theorycrafting. But it got hijacked and turned into an embarrassment over the Pokke Jingyuan saga.

[@jeremyk7210]

Every time I look into the JY subreddit it always look like they’re in cope mode. Always posting tier lists, bullet points, even CN player opinions on why JY isn’t I’ll say underwhelming like guys no other character subreddit is like this they just enjoy the character maybe one or two but it’s always like this on the JY reddit.

[@barpeot7966]

Then why do you keep going to their subreddit, why not just ignore them?

[@sct77]

Eango mocked them recently, it was pretty funny. All of their MoC/Pure Fiction data posts have titles that try to twist the data in a way that makes him look good.

[@jeremyk7210]

@@barpeot7966 because I have JY I wouldn’t call myself a JY main. I also like to look at art works of HSR characters and one best place to look for it is the subreddit. I frequent all the subreddits for art so this how I know their subreddit always in cope mode. I won’t stop looking at the post because it’s hilarious I pointed it out not cause I hate it

[@B4nana888]

@@sct77I don’t know why people expect to go into a mains sub Reddit and not see them cope and glaze their character main. Do you expect them to slander him there? 💀

[@sct77]

@@B4nana888 You can say QQ is worse than Seele in Qingque's reddit without being downvoted into oblivion. If you're familiar with their reddit at all you'd know most of the toxic cope and glazing comes from a couple of guys (Pokke's biggest fan being one of them) and not their entire community. Other mains reddits don't have this problem.

[@kalodawg8297]

jingyuan is legit the only 5* character i've benched since the start of the game. Ever since I got kafka and then acheron, I legit have no reason to use him anymore in any content, because he gets outperformed by my other characters in all content. I legit took his artifacts, gave them to acheron and realized - wtf, she's so much better and comfortable to play

[@OldManInternet]

Would be interesting to see if current B tier and worse characters could perform at a high level with crazy relics. I would assume an S tier character with mid relics and investment would perform about the same as some E6 4* characters with god roll stats, but most people with god roll relics whale to also get all the best characters. This would be more for science than to be relatable.

[@koko-hh2bq]

I feel like Jing Yuan mains (just the loud minority ones) need to understand that their unit isn't perfect, just like every other DPS in this game. To truly love a character, you need to be aware of their weak points just as much as what they're good at. If you love a character enough, you will make them work regardless of what the community thinks. It's just that there are other characters who have an easier time getting to the top, and that's just the reality of a gacha game that continuously powercreeps.

[@coreo6688]

I agree , what I hate is when the gacha powercreep applies to new/unique characters not to goku red blue green yellow base form then every form ever with different typing, it's just Goku, I don't have other Jing Yuans in anime or other games and I like Jing Yuan in tthe story but yeah ig hoyo decides nope , make him unfun to play

[@NaviMoccaa]

I think its cus JY mains are coping cus they dont want to be told they made a bad financial decision. Like peeps who got roped into a cult and refused to believe they have been scammed

[@sct77]

I've seen that happen with Seele mains so much, they'll legit downvote posts of happy Qingque users (even tho Seele was never mentioned at all) just because they can't stand the idea of a 4 star outperforming someone they had to spend their jades on.

[@shutup1037]

@@sct77 QQ not even outperforming Seele? her blast fua is pretty much random

[@desmitgmz3725]

Wym bad financial decision? It's a damn gacha game, besides you can clear content with 4 star dps even 😂

[@sct77]

@@shutup1037 Never said she did but Prydwen's average cycle MoC data placed her as a top dps. Seele without good investment is way below Qingque.

[@cryptonema]

He's definitely not top tier and not weak either. And some people hating on him in an invalid thing back then. DAMAGE. Damage is never the thing which been holding him back. It's his technicality. To play him optimally, you need more brain juice squeezed compared to many other DPS. Obviously many casuals or those who don't like or don't want to squeeze more brain juice just to play would definitely whining. I even tend to use other DPS instead of him cuz i want smoother experience.

[@ittehitteh9322]

thats just people navigating around an obvious flaw. thats not being skillful. the flaw is still there

[@Tiasung]

Damage is the problem. Because of his mechanics he needs enough damage that his skill and ult can clear regular enemies.

[@theimmortal3907]

Imagine a world if LL worked the same as numby and jin yuan was hunt or destruction

[@marcusshane]

Literally all they have to do is make LL advance at least 50% after it gets 10 stacks. That alone would make JY 1000x better to play Edit: Also Pokke has got to stop saying relatable when he shows us these fkin insane stats. 80/200 is not relatable in the slightest to any f2p player, sure you can probably get those on one unit after a year of grinding but that amount of investment is not relatable at all

[@KakavashaForever]

Other communities don't have these responses because they don't have to deal with clown ass content creators shit talking their main literally every video they make for the last 10 months... I'm not a Jing Yuan main obviously, but I have functional eyes/ears/brain so I can understand why they're frustrated. That meme of him blocking all the criticism was 100% correct, nobody ever clowns on other characters the way they clown on Jing Yuan for some reason. Name another limited 5 star with a nickname as overtly hostile as Mid Yuan. But this is a Pokke video, so its just fake drama and shit stirring.

[@sct77]

Literally all of those characters but BIade has been called mid in the past. Midgenti has been a thing ever since his showcases leaked and his fans are still not toxic. No amount of memes will ever justify what Jing Yuan mains have done.

[@lewsee5562]

@@sct77 Most of Argenti's doomposts are centered around his kit being boring (meta slaves can't shit on something as subjective as that). No one doomposted his meta viability, especially when everyone who looked at leaks knows that Pure Fiction is coming where Argenti is expected to dominate (and he did).

[@sct77]

@@lewsee5562 Nah people were asking for and expecting buffs even back when he was in beta. Prydwen even moved him down to B tier.

[@MsFrandark]

I totally udnerstand why JY mains are like that I don't even have him and I agree he is not bad at all, just people and cc hating for hating because it's funny

[@lewsee5562]

@@sct77 I was there looking at Argenti's leaks. Only the minority asks for buffs because of "Erudition bad" agenda but for the most part, most of the complaints are about his kit being boring, nothing else.

[@Doctor_Faust17]

The day Blade gets a dedicated 5 star support for the HP scaling DPS he can provide, it's over for the haters

[@bluechicken8626]

Seele is mid. Players: 😭. Argenti is mid. Players: 🗿. Blade is mid. Players: 🤝. Gacha Smack (he's a Blade "Connoisseur"): 🗣️🔥. Jingyuan is mid. Players: 🫵😂. Jingyan Mains: 😡🤬💢.

[@aba7968]

That sums it up pretty well

[@araarashinigami]

LOL Smack is a clown.

[@tetsuikichan4216]

bros becoming tectone

[@VinceTheCreatorr]

Blade is fun he just needs a Defense penetration buff or a specialized support

[@jsk1429]

U guys don’t realise those type of supports will just make everyone’s else better

[@SchifferThe2nd]

Also known as Ruan Mei E1.

[@Qisth75]

Imagine a healer that gives undispellable DoT but also gives HP increase... Hold up, that's a bit too specific

[@scp3999]

firefly will be an hp drain dps [source: it came to me in a dream.i made it up], hopefully she'll be released with a support both she an blade can use

[@mcbx3d]

@@Qisth75 imagine if he makes the enemies take more ult dmg too...

[@Koalajoe165]

i just want to remind that the jingyuan mains are the one who get shit on, eventhough you showed it in this video with the 2nd jingyuan player, he performs the same as the three other units (dont try to say the build was insane, he had type advantage and sht cuz poke builds are also dumb asf, and the ruan mei was E1). saying jy mains are the problem is hypocritical asf

[@hadmos855]

0:30 lmaoooo the other two being Seele and Argentina because they're dying too 😭😭😭

[@SpeckyX3]

"Don't Pat my head" SUBSCRIBE!!!!!

[@Ilyandroo]

Meanwhile I just completed moc 12 with blade in 3 cycles and seele in 7 cycles (luckily she did crit with 60%(don't build her with low crit rate))

[@Ilyandroo]

I forgot she had +16 cr from weapon

[@mntcl]

MrPokke, I have a question for your mod who mains JY - why he(or she) used lightning DMG sphere instead of Atk% one when he(or she) has Ruan Mei and Rendezvous Tingyun in this team?

[@thornszk]

There really should have strengthenin/modules in this game especially with how fast the powerscaling is moving. As others have said "It is just single player game" so what is the problem? Instead of the getting the solution to it by pulling new five stars.

[@RaikamiX]

It really hurts to say that jingyuan is just not a good limited dps compared to what we have today. Apart from his problems coming from how his lightning lord works, he has other problems. That build that managed to do a zero cycle might not look like much investment to any other crit dps main. To jingyuan main however, that's a lot especially when you consider all his kit gives is 10% crit rate not counting his little trace nodes. I don't even like considering the 25% crit dmg after 6 stacks because it's only for lightning lord and honestly, it never feels like he's hitting with an extra 25%. I agree you can make any dps work but the level of investment for these low tier dps kind of makes them redundant.

[@Atz888]

O cycle is overrated. Yea sure clearing it fast with big numbers is great and all but at the end of the day even if you take a extra cycle to clear it, we all still get the same amount of jades lmao. If anything, u build characters properly to expand the amount of characters u can choose to use and clear content at the end of the day

[@lenkaisen7767]

0:30 wtf my two main dps's

[@HeshO-yi3hh]

I love Jin Yuan, he is one of my favorite characters in the game, but I'm not blind enough to say LL is the most annoying mechanic so far, also I regret pulling for Blade, I pulled for meta purpose and immediately regret I should have pulled for Jingliu

[@RyzenShanks]

Jing Yuan is an S tier dps because there are supports that already fixed his other major problems but that LL really sucks when it doesn't drop immediately at 10 stacks. I think there is a future character like Kafka that turns backloaded damage into frontloaded damage but for many characters, not just DoTs. With the release of Kafka-Blackswan duo and Acheron, Jing Yuan becomes more benched but there are still players that were able to manage 0 cycle MoC12 using him with 4 star supports.

[@wkjro]

this is just me but he’s a poorly designed unit. there’s a reason every other unit that releases has some kind of gimmick that "fixes" his flaws without directly tackling the issue. bro got a whole relic set basically designed around him, which made me think he might get another one on par or better than duke and a upcoming support can directly interact with ll. but even then it wouldn’t really matter. why would they make so many characters that have such direct synergy with jy and hardly any other character in the game? they know they messed up and they're trying to sell fixes. honestly if ll had a 100% advance when he gets all stacks that would fix the root of the problem

[@RyzenShanks]

@@wkjro I don't get what part of my comment u disagree?

[@wkjro]

@@RyzenShanksi read something wrong my bad. i was agreeing with you but i was saying even with the indirect buffs he’s gotten he’s just a tier or s- tier imo. i’ll give him sum slack bc i don’t think he’s bad just very flawed but the jy subreddit will take it a different way

[@RyzenShanks]

@@wkjro Jing Yuan is not really bad for very experienced players like Yellovv in youtube video doing 0 cycle with E0S1 JY and 4 star supports. But Jing Yuan is not really good for casual players compared to other dps.

[@RaphaniacZXNew]

Why tf does a meme about other chars not getting slander turns into 34min video showing 0 cycles against Yanqing... Just forget about Jing Yuan and talk about something else he's already past relevance, you spent more time whining about a subreddit talking too much about you and no points were made here whatsoever besides saying all limited DPS units do damage and are good, congratulations, go work on Aventurine guides or cover something more fun than you being annoyed about a couple 100 people in a reddit community to try and represent the millions of owners of the char for like the 4th or 5th time this year. Jing is a fine char, there's nothing to fix about him, he can get buffed another gazillion times and he will still be mid yuan and that's fine, there's no need to keep talking about it a year later unless it gets under your skin, let mid yuan die peacefully and focus on other issues more pressing than everybody trying to come up with solutions to a char that 1-2 cycles that Yanqing with a Fu Xuan just fine. None of your opinions matter if you don't even play or care for him, cease entertaining the vocal minority if you want them to quiet down.

[@Erox006]

this vid is just like rubbing salt to wound

[@WAIXER]

yes he is and this implies that he's too popular compared to blade or argenti.

[@akumaruuuuu]

No hes not over hated, he needs more hate

[@leedandy2368]

Finally Some Content

[@SuperNomnomcat]

bailou mains subreddit having 85 members is funny

[@TheWildScizor9731]

25 dislikes from r/jingyuanmains

[@JustAFishFR]

Our general needs a change but we shall always stan for the general of the luofu