Is Kaleidescape Too Expensive? Red Carpet Home Cinema For The Uber Rich

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[@unixsuperuser]

The thing with this is, if they go under, yes you own the movies and the hardware but if you loose the hardware or hard drive you’ll have no recourse. No cloud source to re-download your movies, no way to export your files and play elsewhere.

[@Antimonkat]

I can't afford a $10-15K native 4k projector but I find value in that and wouldn't call it a rip-off, I think the kaleidascapes are rip off's cus I have a fair idea of what the hardware should cost and the delta between that and what they are charging. What I don't know is what their company operational and licensing costs are, which is I'm sure a decent chunk of the cost, maybe they can't sell it for less for other non profit motive based reasons, but somehow, I doubt it. It's almost to the point where a rich person won't buy something, or think it premium unless it hits a certain price poit, and that is their market so that is what they are aiming for, just need another company to come in and offer a similar service for the enthusiast. not even regular people, they will stick to discs and streaming, but we need a version of this for people who will spend $2000 on a sub woofer, $10,000 on a projector and want something less clunky then disc, higher quality than streaming and doesn't have the time, interest, or know how to do it themselves. Nvidia, get on this, you have the capital to make it happen.

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

I hear you. But you do not know the licensing costs. So even if you know the actual hardware costs we are missing the biggest cost for delivering this media device. So we really don't know if the company is trying to rip people off. They made the hardware and the licensing agreements . Is is not a crime to make an obscene profit. If you want the price to come down startup a company that delivers a cheaper better product. It really is that simple. When it gets to $2000 come back here and post your product for sale. I will see you in ten years. At least.

[@Antimonkat]

@@keepingupwiththejones2933 never said it was a crime but it's potentially bad business for them and that's there right. They can charge whatever they want but one can still evaluate the product value and decide of its worth it to them or not and honestly their cost isn't even that relevant to that decision. Really the main part of the pricing that bothers me the most is the jump up in cozt from the 6tb to the 12tb by like $2500. That's just pure greed.

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

@@Antimonkat well like I said my a better less expensive alternative. Honestly complaining about the price won't make it go lower. Creating competition will drive the cost down. Simple business . Supply and demand. If there is a demand for a product and you have the only supply, you can charge obscene prices and make obscene profit. Just look at oil industry. 99.999999% of cars trucks and SUV'S run on gasoline. Oil industry laughing all the way to the bank because Tesla is the only alternative and most people can't afford to pay $100k for a 4 door sedan.

[@2Timothy2.15]

For the average consumer, yes it is too expensive.

[@nathanielenochs1843]

Now the Question is why is it too damn expensive

[@oliphauntsneverlie6227]

@@nathanielenochs1843 I'm not one to harp on greed but this sure sounds close to it. Would love to see their expenses for the product. Their storage costs are outrageous.

[@taivo5753]

Shane, we share the same passion in our hobby. I’m a big fan listening to your contents. Specifically speaking, I used DVDFAB and have spent time to be able to rip over 300 blu rays and 4K blu rays on my hard drives and I play them thru my Oppo-205 as well. This beats having to spent the $8000 for sure. It’s a lot of time but I get a lot of satisfaction from all that time and work. Keep doing what you’re doing brother.

[@markwilson0077]

It is a high price to pay for the average consumer, who would love to access this type of premium service for a reasonable price. Can it be done for a lower price...yes, absolutely! However, as you have clearly stated Shane: 1. Little to no competition in the market with this type of offering. 2. Do it yourself is very time consuming and therefore as much out of reach as the cost factor for most. We (the average person) hope to have an offering like a NETFLIX, for blue ray quality release without compression and yes..May be a premium solution with Day/Date release as well. Is that too much to ask for..? Currently..yea, apparently it is. Sigh...Such is life.

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

Finally an intelligent comment. Thank you sir.

[@Scarczar]

why is there a huge difference in price between a 6tb strato and a 12tb strato? which drives do they use? do they make them themselves?

[@pokechris091]

I only Kaleidescape and I feel that is very well built nothing on the market can compare no I am not rich saved up and purchase one

[@PatekGirl]

I just purchased one as well and I love it! I echo your comment, it is pricey but there is nothing like it for a full movie experience.

[@rakeshindrajit5421]

Dvdfab player 5 ultra can play uhd Blu-ray iso on PC

[@thematrixhasyou3521]

I wouldnt pay that price even I were rich

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

😅🤣😂👍

[@AnthonyTrifoglio]

As someone who's been able to mess around with and experience a Kaleidescape, I would in a heartbeat. It's honestly epic. But I'd need a $300k+ income to justify it

[@Mike-kt4qh]

@@AnthonyTrifoglio The issue is why can't we use our own movies on it like my Zidoo NEO S. Is it possible to put my own movies on there?

[@AnthonyTrifoglio]

@@Mike-kt4qh ngl I've no idea what a Zidoo Neo S is. That said, no. You can't upload your own movies. For that reason, a Zappiti does & its way cheaper

[@sc2765]

Amazing service, very good in pandamic times, expensive but worth it.

[@DavidSusiloUnscripted]

Assume much? I have Kaleidescape since their DVD version, I qlso have a stable 600 mbps downstream to download the movies I purchase from Kaleidescape, and even I stillthink it’s a ripoff. I now end up buying 5-10 UHD discs a month. Plop in the disc, and the picture quality in virtually all cases are identical (I use UB9000 as the UHD player). It’s easier for me to get my movies from Amazon and get them delivered within 24 hours. Kaleidescape didn’t give me better experience or making it “easier” for me to watch a movie.

[@therealshanelee]

And?

[@therealshanelee]

I see you have a KZbin channel. I'd love to see a comparison piece from someone who has owned both for such an extended period of time. You'd be the only one with this insight.

[@jstones9872]

would love to see an update on this topic in 2022. 4k laser projectors and 4k oled tv are common place. Streaming services offer many 4k dolby atmos products. So was it worth it?

[@gmartin0312]

Yeah there is lots of 4K HDR, Atmos etc. now a days however, it’s the compression factor and bitrate you get wont match the kaleidescape, and that’s its main selling point.

[@HTHAMMACK1]

It's a great product, but yes, it's too expensive as far as the hardware is concerned.

[@nahimhussain286]

hi Shane been watching your videos for quite a while now love your channel my question was that on the keleidescape what are the chances of losing your movies if the internal hard drive of the kaleidescape and are you able to get the movies back if this happened ?

[@therealshanelee]

Yes you redownload them.

[@nahimhussain286]

@@therealshanelee Would they charge u again fo re downloading them cause your hard drives failed on kaleidescape

[@therealshanelee]

No they're yours forever.

[@williammay8413]

I would love to own one if I could afford it

[@eliashabash7591]

Its more about ripping movies tho. The file sizes are huge because it provides the highest quality. Obviously better than streaming but also even better than a 4K UHD Blu-ray Besides being higher quality in both image and audio, it will adjust the aspect ratio which is huge. Dont have to worry whether content 4:3, 16:9, 2.35:1 ext I cant stress enough how huge that is So keep in mind its not just simply a library where u rip your collection

[@theatersnob3491]

The limit of devices you can download too. Can’t lend the movie to a friend. Limited space for keeping movies etc.

[@theatersnob3491]

I can afford it but I enjoy physical and buying an 8k unit to create a new infrastructure for my movies is not the move. I have close to 200 Blu-ray’s and 4K. I also like collecting steel cases. I’m also not downloading videos games, I buy my physical games too

[@theatersnob3491]

Also would want to know what type of hard drives are used in these units? Are they disc or solid state, what’s the life span and read and write usages, these things have a obsolescence to them.

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

@@theatersnob3491 you funny . Saying you could afford it. Man you guys are really reaching today.

[@theatersnob3491]

Tristan Jones smh I guess only poor ppl use KZbin

[@Losttouchjs]

Food is very expensive nowadays also! Does that mean we can’t complain about the food being outrageous just because we can’t afford it? People have every right to complain. Kaleidoscape needs competition that’s a plain fact.

[@therealshanelee]

Food is a necessity for survival and you can get it for free from many places. If you're complaining about that you need to get your life in order. The kaleidescape is a luxury item and not a necessity. If you can't afford it why are you even looking at it and why do you feel the need to complain about it? They've been in the business for over 2 decades and have their niche in the space. Nobody wants to deal with the legalities of copyright, pirating etc. This is their corner of the AV market and they've owned it for quite some time.

[@Losttouchjs]

@@therealshanelee i’m using the price of food as a argument that we should care. But I guess you didn’t catch on. So complaining about the price of food is wrong? We should just accept it? Follow in line like a little sheep. You sound like a Democrat. Our southern borders are also in chaos! Should we not complain about that also? Is a Kaleidescape a sponsor for you? If so, I can see why you’re so protective. Got to get those freebies.

[@michelcouture7026]

Use your htpc as a server and use zidoo base model to vision them

[@nikospriov]

You say at one moment i use the oppo's video proccessing and stretching? Care to elaborate because i have an Egreat media player and i want to know if i can do the same

[@therealshanelee]

Plug your hard drive into the Oppo.

[@nikospriov]

@@therealshanelee Just told i dont have an oppo i have an Egreat media player

[@therealshanelee]

I have no experience with that player.

[@nikospriov]

@@therealshanelee I use the player i mentioned and a yamaha rxv681 amp, which upscale the video quality and sometimes i cannot tell 4k from 1080p the differences are very very small, so with video proccesing i guess you mean that. What is stretching?

[@FirstTimer23]

Since the time this video was made, I hope he discovered Plex

[@therealshanelee]

Setting up Plex is a waste of time for me. It's been addressed.

[@paulmardis1512]

Hey SC: I am with you on this one. I have a similar HTPC as yours with a 12TB nas and use PLEX. I have not yet ripped 4k movies but does rip BR and DVD's. That works fine for me. I do not have a 4k blue drive to use to rip 4k movies. Quite honestly I have not thought about trying to rip 4k's. I saw Kaleidascape at ABT Electronics but I know it is too expensive and that is why I built my PLEX server back in 2013. Thanks PM

[@Antimonkat]

some blu rays drives can rip uhd 4k discs without themselves being uhd playback capable. I'm not sure they can handle triple layer discs, but I also don't know how common that actually is.

[@bloodcarver913]

I have the same rough solution. Server in the basement with 52TB storage, 4790K and 32GB. Gigabit copper net in the house. Using a Samsung Plex client upstairs to stream to from the server, works perfectly. Running Plex on the server to give the user interface a nice frontend upstairs. Kaleidoscope systems is way overpriced IMO.But, if you have the money and not the tech knowhow to run something like my solution, go for it.

[@Y0mAmA84]

I got an LG Blu-ray drive that can read up to 4 layer disc....which in turn means it can read 4k blurays. I use that to rip my movies.

[@DarkExhibit11]

Sounds fun . . .

[@gregcampbell1729]

Cut the price in half and offer all movies for free, and they may have a winner.

[@jadan2000]

It's annoying that people can't just comment on the product quality

[@petecap4382]

Errr yea it's 8 grand and I have to purchase my movies again. I don't think so.

[@Steve30x]

But , But they have to get Licences. And all that bull to justify the price.

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

@@Steve30x why are you so butthurt? Go rip some blurays. 2008 called and it wants it AV equipment back. Please return it.

[@Steve30x]

@@keepingupwiththejones2933 Does the truth really hurt your feelings that much that you are replying to all comments that don't agree with reality?

[@djwolfville290]

@@keepingupwiththejones2933 lol man give it up. Stop trolling. I know you aren't that much of an idiot to defend this crap.

[@bartfalko4844]

for me it is expensive but not premium, it is big and laborious. I use a NAS for 10 percent of the costs and all is good.

[@Scarczar]

I want to buy it, it’s much more than 8k in India but the store is not available for my region. Is there a way to sign in to get the store from my region?

[@number1pappy]

I kinda don't understand why you seem so sensitive about this but the bottom line is in a few years the price will drop as competitors come into play! I'm old enough to remember when VHS players were 5 grand ! Lol! But you know what ,that didnt last long at all! I think people see it as a RIP off because its basically "software" and of course a huge hard drive! But it's not like thousands of man hours of men sweating and hand building anything lol! Its only expensive because some people are actually buying it at this price. Personally I dont think this company is going to be successful and it wouldnt surprise me if the company went into this knowing that! Sometimes businesses are only created to get investors interested so the entrepreneur can make a qwick buck and walk away! It's called business and it's done on a daily business! Most company's start out knowing they wont show a profit for two years and have the owners pre determined salary built in to the initial business loan or investment from private parties! So even if the business fails the owners are still comfortably paid ! Sure its not "ethical" but unfortunately it is legal and done daily!

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

Kaleidescape has been around for about 25 years. But I agree with the rest of your statement about businesses that are created to generate a salary for the owner but never turn a profit.

[@number1pappy]

@@keepingupwiththejones2933 oh ok....thanks for the info. I just "assumed" because I have never heard of them that they were a new company! That's what I get for assuming! Lol!!

[@toddroy9558]

You can go to the movies every week for 4 years for the price of the 4 Terabyte system. And you still have to pay fir the movie to put on the system and they aren’t cheap, so yeah it is way way way over priced!!!!! And if they did go out of business, what if your equipment breaks, who’s going to fix it?!!! So you can lose everything!!!

[@diecastdreams4160]

I completely agree with you. It’s a business… and they are the only players in town providing that particular type of a product. I will definitely buy it. In the right time. I love movies 🍿 i enjoy them. Watching them. Speaking about’em just having them. That makes me happy. I like your channel. Keep up the good work.

[@djd0118]

This product is a great highlight of future mainstream product potential. I don't see any normal buyers for this other than people that buy as part of an overall home theater system install. I see more of installers including this to deliver a complete theater install solution. In this case the price is trivial compared to the entire install.

[@Lowkey_nxthxn]

I'm good with my Appel TV with iTunes no way I'm paying that kinda money for this box

[@Gamez4eveR]

I'm not sure I understand the point of the Kaleidescape for customers outside the US, UK and Canada, the only three countries where the store is available

[@therealshanelee]

Well there's no point to consider if you're outside of those territories. You've always got streaming.

[@Gamez4eveR]

@@therealshanelee hah, that absolutely sucks

[@stharlingtoribio5769]

I love my kaleidescape cuz it gives me a lot free time and just enjoyment without doing any of the work that having a HTPC requires, for all your plex and Kodi users out there keep ripping disc and enjoying your movies, don’t try to put kaleidescape down because you can’t afford it, and for those saying that possibility of kaleidescape going out of business just think about all the mansions around the globe that have kaleidescape so they have a great support from all the rich people around the world, they don’t want to get up from their HT seat to load a disc in a Blu-ray player and even don’t have time to be ripping disc because they have more money than time. Peace

[@therealshanelee]

🤭😬😂

[@stharlingtoribio5769]

SpareChange 😂😂😂 man people are just too salty about the price but it is what it is🤷🏽‍♂️ I guess they say the same thing about trinnov and I’m going to get it anyway lol

[@PatekGirl]

I just had my Kaleidescape installed this past week and I love it! I've watched a couple of movies that I know very well, one was a 1966 Alfred Hitchcock movie that looked AMAZING! Could not get over the crisp detail I was seeing, and from a 1966 film, totally wowed my senses :)

[@stephanemoquin3888]

Take a Nividia Shield tv with IPTV smart pro you have avces to 10,000 movies for 400$

[@Steve30x]

You say one reason that its great is because it downloads the movies to harddrive and if the company goes under you won't lose the movies but all hard drives fail eventually so if the company goes under and the harddrive fails how great will it be then? This is why Blu Rays will always be a better buy than anything like Kaleidascape

[@christopherbrown5023]

Kaleidascape purchases are also stored, in their cloud. They can be downloaded again (if needed), in the event of lost downloads. As long as their cloud can be sustained -- and the hard drives can be repaired or replaced -- Kaleidascape customers should be fine.

[@Steve30x]

@@christopherbrown5023 You can dress it up whatever way you wish but its not worth the money

[@divyangvaidya9675]

Premium product so expect it to be expensive. If it is worth it to you, you are going to happily pay that price. If you don't like the product, then you are not going to pay that price. Simple as that.

[@LIMuscleBlackdevil]

Would be cool if Kscape allowed early access to movies prior to streaming/disc release.

[@therealshanelee]

The releases come the same time as digital which would be about a month before physical.

[@Nytewolf718]

They are not marking to the average Joe. They would sell a lot more Kaleidoscope if they did and it's not new technology.

[@Steve30x]

Its 18 year old technology. Theres nothing new about it

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

@@Steve30x look how thirsty you are for this product. Tracking how long is has been in existence. Actually over 25 years. But why let facts get in the way of your narrative.

[@Kalashnikova1947]

Powerdvd 19 ultra

[@Quetzalcoatl0]

and it does real 3d as well, not that crap side by side.

[@GunnyPhillips]

I think the better question would be is Kaleidascape practical. It's certainly not a ripoff as the costs are fully disclosed up front and people can decide whether or not they want to pay. I disagree with your assertion that those who balk at the cost can't afford the product. I could easily afford Kaleidascape but I'll never own it because they haven't offered a price point I feel comfortable with for what is being delivered.

[@kdm313]

Practical. Lol a 911 is practical sports car , it has a backseat and a front trunk. And will get you to point B like a practical Honda Civic. We buy what we can afford. Not everybody decisions based on practicality or am I getting my money’s worth? Some people buy for passion or basically it’s just what I want.

[@GunnyPhillips]

@@kdm313 Fair point. I always at least factor practicality into my purchase decisions but I also own plenty of things I wasn't able to justify using that logic. 😎

[@LceOnline]

It is most definitely a rip off the fact that some can afford it doesn’t mean it isn’t. Whilst they do have costs to cover they get a premium price for the films as well as the astronomical upfront cost of the player. That said good luck to them, they are exploiting a hole in the market with customers who just don’t care about the cost so long as they have an impressive collection on the yacht.

[@nodice9227]

YESSSS!!!!! EMPHATICALLY!!!!!

[@jeraldbouie5164]

Is dolby vision inclusion on their product roadmap?

[@therealshanelee]

Not until it becomes a main feature of projectors.

[@downersup2]

And 6 months later I bought one LOLOLOL

[@therealshanelee]

Congrats!

[@itsthetechamaniac4065]

Hi longtime viewer I understand you're trying to find a player for your PC that would played large media files I have tried many and the best one so far is 321 media player that one can play files as big as 100 big files with no problem Thinking Fast Forward you can rewind and it won't give you much problems it looks like the limitations on VLC Don 4K it's about 10 gigs everything above 10 gigs it will start giving you problems but in 3 2 1 media player I have played without any problems 80 gig and hundred gig files direct copies of 4K with no problem the support also all the audio because you're using your PC you can choose different audio formats that it can decode in in the file I strongly recommend 3 2 1 media player for anyone who is playing large video formats anything above 10 gigs in 4k but in 1080p anything above 40 gigs in VLC will start giving you issues I hope Mission will help you and you're theater system

[@randypullman1155]

Htfyk? Theres two kind of rip-off. The dropping of support because we all know every 45 days apps get new protocol. Then there hardware failures such as crazy heat or wifi requirements....eg apple tv 1

[@therealshanelee]

There are zero apps in the Kaleidescape and they don't have heat or wifi failure.

[@matthewgaines10]

I think people get that this is luxury product. Even for some of the wealthy, they don't all get the purpose of some luxury products. There are probably quite of few people even here who could whip out a checkbook and cut the check for the device without skipping a beat. Just because you can doesn't necessarily mean you should. I read that lot of millionaires live rather modest lives. That being said, you posted a provocative title to your review. You got provocative responses. What's the problem? You make ripping a movie sound like it's a trip to the moon. I just ripped six this weekend. I cleaned, watched a game or two, and even slept while ripping a disk. It was really hard work.

[@therealshanelee]

Is there a problem I'm unaware of?

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

Shane doesn't have a problem. He just doesn't let people question his integrity without clapping back. Snowflakes have a problem anytime someone responds to them. Too spoiled and entitled because of the way their own parents kissed their ass. I feel sorry for them. Real world is quite the reality check. That is why most of them exist mostly online instead of real relationships in real life.

[@supernovamoore6175]

Absolutely !

[@grandpixel]

They could make so much money if they wouldn’t be so greedy. Make the cost of entry reasonable and build a huge user base. Make your money from movie sales, or better yet make it a subscription-based movie service. $29/mo for access to the entire store. That’s a movie sale every month from every subscriber. Plus their user base could be 1,000 times larger than what it is now. They aren’t making money like Netflix is.

[@MrUpscaleman]

High on glue pricing.

[@invisibles362]

I'm still buying lottery tickets $$$

[@Steve30x]

I can't believe you're still trying to justify the price of it. Just because they need to get the licence doesn't justify the price because you still have to buy the movies. I'm using a Zotac Zbox with Libreelrc aka kodi with an external HDD with my BluRays and DVDs ripped onto it for my media player which does the same thing for a lot less. IT IS a rip off. If I was a billionaire I wouldn't buy it.

[@Kalashnikova1947]

Does Leebraelec play movies with menu navigation? Dtsx? Atmos? Am thinking of getting myself one of those.

[@Steve30x]

@@Kalashnikova1947 I don't know about menu navigation because I only rip the videos themselves , it will play DVD and Blu Ray Disks and I don't know about ATMOS because my SONY STR DN-1020 only supports DTS HD Master Audio and Dolby True HD maximum. Also Libreelec is a version of KODI operating system not a device. Its a more optimised version of KODI which is why I am using it. My Zotac Zbox is an old box with Nvidia ION CPU / GPU which is underpowered and official KODI runs like crap on it which is why I use Libreelec on it. Libreelec runs very smoothly on the box. The box came with Windows 7 preinstalled on it so I wiped windows 7 and installed Libreelec on the box instead.

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

@@Steve30x You funny. You don't even have a 4k disc player nor a setup for Dolby Atmos and you are complaining about an uber expensive media device. Thank you for your opinion. Just because you wouldn't spend your money on a product doesn't make it a RIP off. If you were a billionaire and still ripping your own blurays that would be so silly and stupid.

[@Steve30x]

@@keepingupwiththejones2933 you funny too because I have a Panasonic DP-UB391 4K player so keep making dumb assumptions

[@Steve30x]

@@keepingupwiththejones2933 also anybody that really know about electronic hardware would understand that the laliedascope is way way overpriced for what it is.

[@atracamoniusvlogs]

Kaleidecape home cinema to dubai

[@BrianGarside]

Make MKV makes it easy for an tech enthusiast when combined with a Plex server what I do at least. Still Shane is right nothing is easier than Kaleidescape. Since there is no competition they are making a sizable profit based on hardware costs. Granted licenses I'm sure costs them. I hope any movie purchase you make on this is forever. They cornered the market and they know it.

[@Lanezy]

I really like this channel, but this response video and your replies to comments aren't doing you any favours. You openly admitted to having a provocative title to get people to watch the video. Don't you think you'd get provocative responses? How you're handling this is not good.

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

Why are so many of you so butthurt? People attacked Shane's integrity. Was he supposed to just lay down and take that? You guys need to make your own channels if you don't like his content. I won't hold my breath.

[@Steve30x]

I have no doubt Tristian Jones is a new account he created so that he can secretly bash people.

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

@@Steve30x No but they comment goes right along with all your other asinine comments. I am just sick of all you little whiny sniveling cowards hiding anonymously behind your keyboards and attacking content creators. So I will be here to defend Shane's right to produce his content and not have his integrity questioned. But do go on making your ignorant comments. It's entertaining.

[@Steve30x]

@@keepingupwiththejones2933 I'm not hiding behind anything. I would say the same damn thing to his face. And I still believe you are a secondary account created so that you can attack others without recourse.

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

@@Steve30x it took you a whole month to reply I know your brain works a lot slower than others but that's really a long time. I know you're not hiding it all little Stevie

[@uneCENT]

Awesome idea, but way way way way too expensive. After you throw away the money for something that should be about $500, you then need to pay to watch each movie. They first bank ~$4500 and then bank on every purchase. We, the customer, take on most of the risk by going full digital. I'll bite once they come down to Earth.

[@davemoritz2174]

Would love to have this but not in my budget! The Apple 4K TV works good enough considering the price.

[@70grade37]

It is way too expensive, period!

[@Boots3962]

Seeing as the Zappiti pro 4k HDR is so much cheaper amd better, id say so

[@stharlingtoribio5769]

Lilboots is not better because you still have to buy the disc to rip it into the zappiti hardware and on top of that the Zappiti NAS is 5,000$ in the other hand with kaleidescape you don’t have to deal with any of that crap 🙂

[@Boots3962]

@@stharlingtoribio5769 I download my movies, so this doesnt bother me at all, still, if thats the only feature it has over the Zappiti, for $7000 extra

[@Fluterra]

No way. No comparison. Zappiti is in a different (much lower) and different league.

[@shadowphantom2567]

It's a great product, and I would love to have it in my home theater, but I can't afford it. If I were them, I would try to get the price lower so I could appeal to the average home theater enthusiast. At the same time it would also appeal more to the average person.

[@reginaldnutter6613]

I don't understand why you say it to expensive if you have 30 to 40k in your theater what's 8k. Home audio is a luxury period you can't say it's to expensive

[@therealshanelee]

Yes you are correct. I have a home theater. Is it expensive? Yes my home theater is expensive. Maybe too expensive. But I like it. I made the choice to purchase it.

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

Finally a voice of reason. Thank you for commenting.

[@reginaldnutter6613]

Me too l have about a 150k in my theater what is 8k

[@therealshanelee]

🤑

[@reginaldnutter6613]

Don't get me wrong I save my money and got my theater I just want it last a while. Iam a strong believer in you get what you pay for and quality over quantity

[@randysalsman6992]

rip-off /ˈrip ˌôf/ nounINFORMAL plural noun: rip-offs a fraud or swindle, especially something that is grossly overpriced. "designer label clothes are just expensive rip-offs"

[@randysalsman6992]

Seems like this product fits the meaning of it.

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

@@randysalsman6992 You snowflakes are so offended. Are you more upset that you can't afford it or that someone else can afford it? Posting definitions? Lame.

[@Fluterra]

The point that you missed is that it’s not just a drive! The titles are better quality than you can get on disc in most cases. And arrive faster than on disc. So your DIY PC is not getting you there.

[@therealshanelee]

There's a full review on the channel.

[@kdm313]

I never understood why people get so upset or say you got burned when you pay for a premium product. It’s like whoever manufactures the product should take a lost so you can afford it. There premium for a reason they’re not like everything else. And that always take something special and different to do it.

[@therealshanelee]

I wonder that myself 🤔

[@Arrozconchopsticks]

8k to "rent" movies? Even if i had the money to blow, that's gonna be no from me dawg.

[@downersup2]

Now that Kaleidescape only offers the Strato C player paired with the Terra Server system and the Strato S is discontinued it's just another way for them to "rip off" customers! AND AND....the cheap asses don't even throw in rack adapters.....come on man! If the player and hard drive was priced at $3,000 for the entry level they'd still make 300% profit on what it costs to make the gear but everyone would buy one! They really have a shit business model!

[@keeloraz9452]

My problem with Kaleidscape is it's limited selection.

[@jmcd21182]

Rich or poor it's stupidly, insultingly overpriced.

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

Please give provide me the breakdown for the cost of the player: R&D cost, hardware, customer service, licensing rights, production costs, distribution costs, employee budget, warehouse and shipping costs, etc. I will wait. 😀😂😅🤡🤣

[@MrHamit64]

Well on the rip off thing.Why? Cause you do have to look into why it is so bloody expensive. If all reasons add up then no not a rip off. So what sirvers are they using to send you? What HDDs are in these things? Also we do have to consider how much the company is paying the movie studios. As to your HT PC problem bro I too wander. Power DVD as far as I can tell doesn't support Atmos someone let me know otherwize. Also no Dolby Vision. So what then?

[@Fluterra]

Zappiti is a rip-off. It doesn’t make much sense. There are better processors, better players, and better streamers. The Zap tries to do too many things, and doesn’t do any great.

[@LceOnline]

I normally like this channel but in this clip you are incredibly condescending and arrogant, it’s not that people don’t grasp it rather they have an opinion which I totally agree with. The product is absurdly overpriced.

[@therealshanelee]

Condescending? Really? What might be absurdly overpriced to you might not be to another guy. If I’m condescending for thinking that way then I guess that I am.

[@LceOnline]

SpareChange no you’re condescending for stating that others don’t grasp it, I thought my comment was clear enough. As for overpriced if you think that the unit offers good value rather than exploiting a unique market position that doesn’t make you condescending but gullible.

[@therealshanelee]

You're right I'm condescending and gullible. Anything else you'd like to add?

[@LceOnline]

SpareChange nope you’ve got it.

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

@@LceOnline Another commenter making my investment in stock in Kleenex more valuable by the minute. Going to use that to buy a Kaleidescape. Thanks for the review Shane.

[@DarrinBentley]

Kaleidescape is an excellent product that STILL has no equal in the market. Are they expensive? Well, for the do-it yourselfer, sure, $6k for their entry level model is a lot of money. They/we aren't their target market. So while I would like to own one (and can afford it), it doesn't allow me the control I crave with storing my movie collection on a server. I do believe that someone with some skills and $$$ can come into this market and create a "cross-over" product that would feature a KILLER UI AND allow us to stream our content from servers in the best possible quality WITHOUT breaking the bank. Zappiti and Zidoo (what's with the Z's??) look like contenders but so far, they're not even in the same league. I've seen better Kodi front ends and I own the Zappiti 4K HDR unit! A very underserved market imo.

[@therealshanelee]

You can absolutely store your Kaleidescape collection on their server and stream to their other players. If your willing to pay for it.

[@DarrinBentley]

@@therealshanelee I have over 30TB of movies, with about another 150 4K discs I've yet to backup. 1. I wasn't even aware you were able to do that. 2. I'm thinking that it would probably be quite expensive. Ironically, there is a really nice Kodi skin (I forget the name) that comes pretty close to the look and feel of K. Unfortunately, Kodi has some issues and just isn't ready for prime time. I was "hoping" Zappiti would be the thing that just works and looks good. It's pretty glitchy and the UI looks like an old Kodi skin from 10 years ago. I guess it's still a better solution than Plex.

[@paulrevere1479]

We know it’s a rip-off if there’s always discussions about it being a rip-off. If it were a great deal, the rip-off convo would pop up constantly. Where there’s smoke there’s fire

[@therealshanelee]

Give it break. Most people who can't swing the bill for it will call it such.

[@paulrevere1479]

@@therealshanelee By your logic, there’s no such thing as a rip-off if someone in this world is willing to purchase whatever said item is. Right?

[@therealshanelee]

@@paulrevere1479 oh we got a smart guy here. So by your logic. Oh wait you have no logic in your opening statement. If you got something you want to say you better back it up with something more than smoke and fire.

[@Mr.Difo521]

@@paulrevere1479 nobody is forcing any consumer to buy anything they don’t want. If you don’t like something you don’t have to buy it. But to try to judge something just because you can’t relate not being in the same tax bracket as those of disposable income than you don’t really belong in this discussion. Find something else to spend your stimulus money on 😉

[@markh385]

Hahahaha the price is way stupid for a fancy DVR what about data corruption are ur movies protected

[@toddroy9558]

Just because someone can afford something doesn’t mean it’s not taking advantage of people!!

[@BarcelonasHotCrowd]

I can afford the product and yet, I think it's a rip off coming from a broadcasting background. If this has a harddrive, then it'll fail in time. Personally, I feel that Apple make far superior software than what Kaleidascape is capable of. I don't appreciate why a Pioneer or top end Panasonic 9000 UHD player is not a far better way of delivering film at one eighth of the price along with the first class reliability and multi platform use of 4K Dolby Vision Apple TV at £200 for 'every day' use. I'm not convinced that in five years time Kaleidascape will still be around - I know that the Apple TV / iTunes and 4K UHD Disc experience will still be on AV enthusiasts shelves. From what I can see, the Kaleidascaope approach is over complicated and unnecessary.

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

Kaleidescape has been around for over 25 years. Thanks for opinion. Your broadcasting background certainly means your opinion is an educated one. Did you do the negotiating for licensing rights during your broadcasting career? Because if you did you would remember that premium content comes with a premium price tag. Movie studios are about as premium as content gets. Just an FYI.

[@eddietours3728]

Way overpriced 🤣

[@MrJustmitch]

Much to expensive