Is King Tuheitia the Maori King?

[@allice444]

The Kingi movement and those Maori that are supporting it, are being hugely disrespectful of their Chiefs who either signed the Treaty in 1840 or ratified it at kohimarama in 1860. Moari need to read the 1860 transcripts of those Cheifs to understand exactly how the felt about the Kingi movement and how they felt the treaty was improving the lives and wellbeing of Maori under one law with the "Queen above" and "Chiefs below", but with Maori and Pakeha as equal .

[@tommcg7564]

The name kohimarama is symbolic of chiefs herded together like sheep. They are said by most to be kupapa or pro govt so your comment is void

[@Mr_Smell_Nice]

tommcg7564 is yet another misguided person who has been mislead by the revisionist Maori historians and their children's bedtime story version of NZ history. You are 100% correct allice444. I'll try to be brief: The Govt called the Kohimarama Conference at Mission Bay to make the anti-government King Movement, and their supporting tribes, realise that not to honour the Treaty of Waitangi, would result in bringing the wrath of the British Empire for breach of it. They, in their futile ignorance of realpolitik, decided to take on Queen Victoria's empire that ruled over 1/4 of the Earth's landmass, and 1/3 of its population, and whose Indian regiments alone, were more than the militaries of the whole of Europe combined. Yet the Kingitanga, in some misguided belief they possibly had any chance of winning, decided they were in a position to do just that, and so set into motion what happened to other Maori tribes too. The unnecessary deaths of Maori during the NZ Land Wars were a direct result of this deluded decision, which the Kingitanga has never taken responsibility, or apologised for. They have no care for what they caused. In my tribe's dialect we call the Kingitanga "Te tangata whakahihi" - The arrogant ones.

[@danmahara]

My beloved and benevolent King he who descends from the house of the Gods and Aristocratic lineages of this country I salute you! May God bless you and keep you from harm. I know this is a hard time for you, it has been foretold but fear not!! this is only to test you for you have many challenges to face, this is only a chip of what is to come. This world of ours is going through a huge shift and big changes are about to happen.... But the mantle of the Kingitanga will always remain.

[@tehydro315]

Well said

[@danmahara]

Moe mai ra e Taaku Kiingi ❤ Tuu mai, Te Arikinui Kuiini Ngawai hono I te po. Te hiri o Waikato Cheers, brother 👍 I don't even remember writing this. Clearly, I was on some sort of plane 😂 Wishing David Rankin love and light wherever he may be? ❤️ I refuse to come from a place of low frequency. Better living everyone 🥰

[@surfturfnz1879]

My family are a part of the “Kingitanga Movement” via my whanau bloodline in Te Kuiti, our family house is next to To Kanganuianoho Marae! Many stories have been handed down to our family over the years explaining why it “The Kingitanga Movement” was needed and how it is passed a long and expectations of family members roles etc! Beautiful stories were shared amongst the family, it was great to learn of I tell you what! Pai to rā koutou. ❤🥂

[@ruatea1237]

Is KIng tuheitia the maori king? no he was just giving the name king tuheitia at birth. seriously us maori are really struggling

[@Souljainbattle]

Yeah maori are struggling. Nearly all has been. Really saddens me

[@jaguarznetball2341]

@Tamati M - Actually you are incorrect, we Waikato did not want it to carry on, that choice was made by the Rangatira of every other tribe that attended in 2007. check your facts instead of stating rubbish

[@tekaha7152]

I actually heard that Tainui were debating who should take the place of Te Ata and wouldn't hurry up and decide, so one iwi was gonna take over if couldn't make a decision, but Tainui said kao and decided on Tuheitia otherwise it would of meant that the Kingitanga would leave Ngaruawahia to another iwi. Which, it actually can...

[@tommcg7564]

@@tekaha7152 tēnā piiki rukahu. Once THAT tribe (we all know who they are) demanded the king title every other iwi thought and said NO. How arrogant, that is not the Maori way

[@JMAORICHIC]

Yeah and guess whatelse Alice? Man I'm getting sick of having to reeducate pakeha on aAotearoa history

[@valerieliddell9167]

Yeah nah bro hoihoi e noho!

[@Tupuna1850]

In today's generation it's about arrogance and Rankin is and arrogant brat!!! King Potatau signed He Whakaputanga in 1837 even though Potatau wasn't king at that time when he was crowned I believe it brought the northern and southern hapu's together under Kotahitanga to continue the fight against the invaders

[@Tupuna1850]

In terms of kingitanga today Waikato where aware of the issues that were to come because of how Tueitia was appointed and he wasn’t chosen by the hapu's, it was the Taumata and they went against the Queen's wishes and that was because her choice was consider inappropriate in terms of the korero that was handed down apparently.

[@kiaclarke3406]

He can be your king but not the KINGITANGA itself. No MAORI will stand against the kingitanga. So who are yous.

[@JMAORICHIC]

Alice stop trash talking. Yeah kingitanga was about kotahitanga, or solidarity . A Maori king wasn't appointed to assume authority over all the other tribes but to provide a unified stance to oppose the loss of Maori lands due to the settlers everincreasing lust for Maori land. And yup Alice u are right the cheifs would have been welcoming and excited about the prospects British settlement would have brought. But lets not be naive here, the English already had a tricky little plan up their

[@allice444]

Yes you're right and that's generally the way it was before the Treaty was signed, which gave every Moari the same rights, privileges, and "obligations" as every other British subject, It was allowing Moari to be unique individuals with individual rights to buy and sell their property as they wished that started this Kingi movement, because those Moari who held power over the tribe and its members saw their power diminishing in favour of individual rights under British law .

[@TouNiiti]

@TouNiiti id love to know why he didn't raise this issue while Te Arikinui (a.k.a. Te Kuini Maori) Te Atairangikaahu was alive

[@mikey-leekereopa-white1915]

Te Arikinui means The Monarch dear kei te he to korero e Kare

[@1Ma9iN8tive]

Well … Ko tēnei whakawiti Ara ko Rāwiri Rankin Kei te hē rewa rawa atu … tōna poroheahea tōna. Ko te Kīngi o te Kotahitanga ko Kīngi Tūheitia Pōtatau Te Wherowhero Te Tuawhitu. Ko Te Arikinui Kūini Ngāwaihonoitepō ka tū. I te Koroneihana a te tau nei 2024 Ara ka rāngona āku tāringa e huruhuru ana ko te kōrero a Ngā Puhi Niu Tonu - Ara Kei Tautoko rātou katoa to Kūinitanga ā Ngāwaihonoitepō Ko Te Kūini o te Iti Ko ia te Ariki o te rahi. Kāti. Ara … Kei whea a Rāwiri I naia? Wahangū, Ngoikore, Koretake.

[@tawnyspawny]

I acknowledge the movement but I don't consider Tuheitia the Maori King - speaker of all Iwi. Our understanding is that he represents all Maori. I think there's much ambiguity that surrounds Tuheitia's title and his role. As much is the same with most things that pertain to Maori - that there is no clear understanding which is why 170 years on, there is still much debate that surrounds the Treaty of Waitangi

[@kiaclarke3406]

I bless my tupuna for not signing that paper of lies and deceit. I am blessed not to have that evil European blood running in my veins.

[@heminuiraho879]

@@kiaclarke3406 not all of it is evil, to say that would be to say all birds can fly. My mother is the bloodline of Robert the Bruce, her Maori heritage she is a direct descendant of Mananui Teheuheu and Te Wharerangi and Te Pehi Turoa but my father is a fullblood born in the 1950s, as I guess are you.

[@kiaclarke3406]

@@heminuiraho879 TALK DNA TO ME TALK FACTS GET IT RIGHT

[@heminuiraho879]

@@kiaclarke3406 the fk??? i told you fkn facts!

[@heminuiraho879]

the fk you mean dna, for someone who claims to hate euro blood , you need dna sequencing to prove what i say? funny fk

[@tukaugreenaway4947]

whakapapa bae

[@JMAORICHIC]

Sleeves. What they didn't bet on was that the natives would put up a hell of a fight. But to imply that how British invaded was somehow not the case given that that is what happened elsewhere around the world to other indigenous populations. How do you differentiate that?

[@dameinnoble3995]

If NZ ever retires the Monarch of The UK. I would like to see The Maori King to be proclaimed King of Aotearoa. The movement need to get moving and connect with the people of the nation as a uniting factor.

[@suribrodestroy7773]

And jacinder is helping them build his kingdom

[@johnperi1165]

Or a political grab once filled with corruption. NO bloody way. Leave Tuwharetoa aside thanks. Nga mihi.

[@d1nonly350]

Wonder if the kingitanga has a constitution?? In writing?

[@donnermaxblitzen6586]

........yea...... ask his boy how entralled he is about catching a wave or none........

[@tekaha7152]

Maybe RANKIN wanted to be king. KING KONG...🤣🤣🤣

[@thelmapoti766]

Anei a Masori e tautohetohe ana i waenganui i a ratou, ka kite mai a ngai Pakeha, aue, mahi ta koutou mahi Maori ma

[@mh4485]

Not my king or my peoples.

[@dlow1919]

no tha king of huntly?! lol

[@suribrodestroy7773]

It's the media saying he's the maori king when he's not

[@heminuiraho879]

No Nga Puhi I know, ever bent knee to a king. Being that I am also of Tuwharetoa my allegiance would stay the tohunga line of Mananui Teheuheu. That is all

[@suribrodestroy7773]

The tribes that made up the tainui waka back in the late 1700 after they were released from slavery were Nga Puhi

[@heminuiraho879]

@@suribrodestroy7773 da hell you talking about son. ill look it up but I know my whakapapa back to Waimirirangi..there are no Ngapuhi slaves in my lineage. And lets be clear I am TeRarawa/Ngapuhi.. 1700s pfftt Waimirirangi back from me is 15 generations...

[@heminuiraho879]

@@suribrodestroy7773 you seem to know some shit about Tainui that I don't according to the Pakeha Tainui landed some 8/900 years ago. My waka.... Ngatokimatawhaorua arrived pre Tainui if oral traditions hold weight. so your 300 years story seems a little...well little.

[@tommcg7564]

I went to Te Arikinui Te Atairangikaahu’s tangi. We got there at 6am but didn’t get on til 6pm as every ngapuhi Tom dick and harry spoke, pretty much saying “give the kingitanga to us”. From that moment every other tribe said NO, don’t give it to them, te whakahihi ke hoki. Now you contrast that with tuwhangai, telling tainui to keep quiet when deliberating Korokis successor. The tribes all unanimously voted that Te ATA would be queen and the motu kept the taonga in tainui. Tainui are only kaitiaki, the motu decides not some whakahihi who say we give it to us.

[@Rere-kc1tk]

Maumau te wa i korero kia tenei tangata porangi. Ko wai ia

[@tukaugreenaway4947]

aotea, puahare then parearohi then arihia is a puhi line of mana

[@legendarynesian787]

Tika taua!!!

[@tommcg7564]

What rights would they have to the kingitanga? Apologies I’ve never heard of these people

[@dlow1919]

Nana mamae

[@D0ms1]

LOL 2:20----Uncle Big :)

[@thelmapoti766]

ki oku whakaaro ahakoa kare e Kingi Maori mo nga Maori katoa, he Kingi Maori tonu, i penei tonu nga whakaaro i te wa e ora tonu Te Kuini

[@tukuihotanga3120]

me ako koe i te hitori tika o te kaupapa nei.

[@Tupuna1850]

The kingitanga movement should have ended once the Queen had passed but no Waikato wanted to keep it, so good job things will only get worst for them and they have, in the old days Waikato were well respected with great Mana under the leadership of Potatau right down to the Queen

[@tommcg7564]

And who do you suggest it go to?

[@allice444]

Nice word ..Invaders.. if you study history objectively you'll find the Northern Chiefs, in spite of their so called declaration of independence, ether signed the treaty in 1840 believing it was good thing, or ratified it in 1860 at kohimarama also as a good thing that had brought prosperity and well-being to Maori, and ratified the Queen as Sovereign over New Zealand with Maori Chiefs below, and Pakeha and Maori as equal under the law. They didn't view it as a partnership either.

[@meanmaori8810]

alice i here hate in you, you must drop this hate.. my tipuna tane was TE KERE NGATAIERUA of the first Kingitanga.. if you want to do some real work for the people open your hart an listen to what is happning around you.. Papatuanuku is hurting there are other ways if you like history so much research Nikola Tesla an you will see power was simple an free without hurting PAPATUANUKU.. but time has come we will all see soon..

[@tangimate]

Kingitanga is one of the most powerful Maori institutions alongside the Ratana movement, but all including the King do not understand how powerful he is, When he stood in support the Maori Party, he cut off all other Maori who were numerous in numbers who supported other political parties. Kingitanga draws our tribes and leaders together to korero and debate issues during which solutions can be created

[@mh4485]

Not in 2022,they just sold us out.

[@daveyork0]

Maori don’t pay this man and his whanai to be better than you. Only dogs have Masters and only slaves have Kings

[@Paris45627]

I read that the Maori king was originally from ngapuhi

[@joannekennard4248]

I don't support this Hatana If there has to be a Maori King then I think the people should decide who they want.I don't see the relevance in it Just a big waste of our money funny how his annual spending has tripled compared to his mum GET RID OF THEM THEY ARE STEALING OUR MONEY

[@ngaitu7087]

Joanne Kennard he was chosen by the leaders of the iwi of Aotearoa..who the hell is David Rankin trumpet blower..

[@riharituranga688]

Tautoko

[@peetak5597]

Why does your king speak English help him to respect his people

[@ngapuhiwahinetoa]

no

[@idgaf2671]

Tuheitia aint no Maori King or representative of maori, a leader to Tainui, I guess the way he's seen now days as a slave to our Parliamentarians

[@TouNiiti]

legally he's just a regular citizen, but in our eyes (plus other tribes) he is an Ariki and should be treated as such

[@mikey-leekereopa-white1915]

He's Looked at as a Constitutional Monarch and the Govt Council off of him, and him and Te Whare Kaahui Ariki are still royal.

[@hakaboy6924]

Kingi Tueitia is kingitanga if you turn your back on him you turn your back on kingitanga. If David Rankin wishes to turn his back on kingitanga movement and all it stands for let him

[@kiaclarke3406]

Oh so if you people can prove that he can whakapapa to the Te Wherowhero whanau l will be the FIRST to apologize to ALL. Piki Paki is Tuheitias mother. There is no PAKI that can DNA to the Te Wherowhero whanau. I no Piki use to talk to my mother but that's it. TALK ONLY. Get your facts RIGHT before you all believe your own LIES.

[@tommcg7564]

@@kiaclarke3406 rubbish, get off the gear

[@allice444]

What rubbish.. the king movement was established as a direct challenge to the Queens Authority and sovereignty over New Zealand and it peoples. Read the transcripts of the Chiefs' speeches at kohimarama in 1860 and you'll start to understand that over 90% of the Chiefs who attended supported the Treaty with the Queen as Sovereign over New Zealand and its peoples (including Moari) and their oppositions to the King Movement and warnings that it would bring harm to Maori. ,

[@TouNiiti]

@FQuee that would defeat the whole purpose of the Kingitanga. it was established to unite Maori. the Kingitanga is for tribes that wish to support it. if you don't want him to be your King then he's not your King. Waikato are merely the custodians of the Kingship. they dont have a say whos the next Ariki, its up to the rest of the tribes.. NgaPuhi had there chance (and NgatiPorou had theirs historically, with Te Kani a Takirau). if this David Rankin was so worried,

[@CallemJayNZ]

Te Heuheu (Tuwharetoa) was also offered but refused saying that his mana as an ariki was greater than it would be as a king. Takarangi(Whanganui) was there as was Te Hapuku (Kahungunu)

[@heminuiraho879]

@@CallemJayNZ Yes. this is correct.

[@allice444]

get over yourselves.. the King movement was established as a direct challenge to Queens Authority and sovereignty over New Zealand and it peoples, because those Maori were experiencing diminishing power over their tribes and its peoples, who now had equal rights as British subjects to buy and sell their own property as they saw fit, without the chiefs permission to do so. They saw British governance & law in action how it was good for Maori but not for the Chiefs, and wanted to take back power

[@JA.MMP274]

😂😂😂

[@suribrodestroy7773]

Be a real king and acknowledge the true history of tainui otherwise not the king of Maori

[@tyronwhaiapu125]

No hea koe ko waikato whenua tatou wairere o te au o waikato ki te whenua whakapapa to the land not the tainui waka you need to look at waikato history not tainui son

[@whatuwikohika7272]

King of Tainui,

[@peetak5597]

Correct

[@peetak5597]

Plus he only speak in English

[@tommcg7564]

E hē ana tēnā korero i puarengia i te waha o te tamaiti wawahi tahā

[@tyronwhaiapu125]

@@peetak5597KINGI O TE AO MAORI O TE IWI MOARI KO TE KINGI O AOTEAROA EHARA TAINUI SINCE 1840 (PEEKAKA5597)

[@Tupuna1850]

It was also a known fact that their tohunga’s were one of the most feared, but that has slowly diminished because of their arrogance towards tikanga, if they continue down the path they are going kingitanga will end………….

[@suribrodestroy7773]

These people are stealing the individual rite

[@tommcg7564]

Mana maori motuhake is and always has been about the collective, not the individual . Go be a pakeha if you want that, easy

[@suribrodestroy7773]

Wake up idiot the maori cheifs signed the treaty based on individual rite as well as collective stupid 😅 lmao u the pakeha with Ur stupid siut. Trying to look important when u just a wolf

[@andyanderson5326]

Not our king

[@tyronwhaiapu125]

BE MAORI AL DAY EVERYDAY WISE KORERO ARA ME TAKU KINGI TUHEITIA POTATAU TE WHEROWHERO TE TUA WHETU ETU KINGI YFH🖕🏿🖕🏿