Is Kingdoms Forlorn Better or Worse than Kingdom Death Monster?

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00:00:00 - KDM Vs KF
00:02:06 - Format & Caveats
00:06:48 - Better than KDM
00:13:42 - Different than KDM
00:20:15 - Worse than KDM
00:32:25 - Final Thoughts / What I want
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[@sasquatchQC]

Quack! (We reached 1K likes)

[@Quackalope]

Yep! Working out how to do the giveaway - if I can get on TTS with the team we will do it then!

[@sasquatchQC]

@@Quackalope I hate to poke the duck (bear), but has the giveaway winner been revealed yet? I can't seem to find it in this comment section or on Discord

[@wileynader116]

Guess no giveaway?? Like 3 weeks. No mention. No new gameplay. Like did i miss something?

[@marcinysikowski2330]

@@Quackalope Any news about the gameplay? Quack!

[@guestimator]

I've loved Tainted Grail's story so much, that I'll back any game that can provide such moments!

[@cyder534]

The story is definitely its strength!

[@cyder534]

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[@firechickenreviews]

Kingdom Forlorn Base Pledge Giveaway Entry Idea (Liking was already done when I clicked o the video, been subscribed for a long time love the channel): Fire Chicken Knight Lore: Sir Cinimod Fawkes was once known as the most handsome knight in the realm and...his odd adoration of chickens. It is said his looks attracted the attention of a maiden who simply admired the handsomeness of the knight for too long in her spouses eyes. Sir Fawkes was quickly punish for an innocent crime he did not commit. His punishment? his flock of chickens where slaughtered and his looks would be forever removed... He was Tarred and Feathered with the still blood soaked feathers of his own chickens. Not wanting to bare going on with life Sir Fawkes tried to end it by burning himself grabbing one of the torches from the guards who where using it to put the burning Tar on him during the public humiliation. It is said the crowd saw the man turn into a human Phoenix burning with fire with feathers and all...but it quickly turned into laughter and death was not going to be here for Sir Fawkes. Some within the crowd threw various things at the knight to dowse the flames.....He was forever known hence afterwards as the Fire Chicken Knight a vengeful knight who did not bother to hide his dis-figuration and openly showed what his body had transformed into.

[@Quackalope]

Haha I love this! That is awesome :)

[@markalexandermaron5531]

I recently bought KDM after watching your playthroughs and this comparison has just convinced me that i need this in my life too! I would love to have something like a corrupted lion knight added as a homage. For a weird addition. A phoenix knight as an evolution to the eggknight

[@ianwales9247]

Thanks for the video both. I think it sums up the play through experience you had quite well. Not for the sake of the competition but just for joining in: I think I quite like the idea of a "Splinter Knight". Humanoid and cursed, Made from dry broken wood and constantly howling in pain from the constant breaking and splintering. Maybe work into the clash the fact that the more it moves or makes big attacks the more pain it causes itself. Could be some clever mechanics around trying to keep it from moving so it doesn't escalate as the more pain it is in the more brutal it becomes (works with the inverted combat paradigm too). Can imagine this wooden creature in armour slowly moving around until the Knights find it and it becomes this brutal whirlwind of pain fueled death hating the Knights and the world for causing it this pain... Or just like a Bacon knight or something maybe Egg's cousin seeking revenge (not really).

[@Y3574]

Thank you so much for your timely in-depth preview videos and that awesome comparison to the established ancient monster that is KDM. I am currently also very much looking forward to the studio's current game Aeon Trespass: Odyssey. Maybe you can also add some comparison to that in the future? As far as weird abominations are concerned: I would be thrilled to see some kind of oozing slime monster that can split up into separate minis and re-form stronger, be very resistant against physical damage (or at least some piercing / slashing weapon types) and yield resources for potion making.

[@littleremus8868]

This is a great video. I would love if another devil was added. Specifically, something akin to how Beelzebub is depicted. Insect like and grotesque as with wings and many legs. It scurry's around the battlefield frantically making the knights chase after it only to turn around and stab them with their legs as sharp as spears. Being a brutal fight that will spin your strategy on its head. And as always, Quack!

[@kingofallmountains]

The type of abomination I would add is Faces in the Fog, souls of the dead trapped and twisted by the Deep Fog. Imagine being attacked by the face of a lost loved one, looking at you with sadness as it attempts to add you to the ranks. You could attempt to speak to them, to reconnect to their humanity, but would quickly learn it was lost long ago.

[@phoenixpyros]

Great video love to see a slime knight. Still looking into this one. Looking forward to hearing more about it

[@PinkpandaEdits]

Backed KF soon after it launched. Was anticipating it from watching your videos. Liked video My recommendation for an abomination would be a tribute to Kingdom Death with a Smoke Knight. And of course subscribed!

[@kusidjur4284]

I'd like a grotesque Loot Jester as a rare event hunt. His costume would be exaggeratedly puffed-up and he constantly flees from the characters on the board; whenever he is struck it causes a tear and either above-average quantities of crafting materials/items fall out which can be collected at the end of the battle or swarms of nightmare insects/minions spawn from them. Maybe he tosses traps around as he runs. Can end the battle at any time to collect the loot and retreat from the boss. Drops and spawns improve as the battle wears on and culminates in the jester revealed to be a rampaging centipede-like abomination that wrecks characters. Could be a very low occurrence rate to make it a meaningful, neat little lucky encounter with some risk vs reward at play.

[@lilpear4333]

Great video! As a KDM enjoyer, this was actually pretty helpful. What sold me on this one was actually AT:O’s updates. The game looks very different and has had positive changes from when they first showed it off, so I’m hopeful and optimistic that that KF will be the same way. Plus, they have a good refund policy so I can always change my mind if I’m not seeing enough positive change implemented.

[@califax512]

I would like to see a KDM-referenced monster! Someone who will delay the heroes to death from old age

[@Sangasong2016]

Thanks for this in depth review. I’m already a backer of ATO and have been so impressed so far so this is a no brainer to me. I hope to see a doopleganger type monster that mirrors the strength and weakness of myself and that would be the nemesis anytime as I always believe the biggest enemy is always oneself. You always have to overcome yourself to reach greater heights and think that would be a great story! Anyway, congratulations again on this great review!

[@jeromeleonard6157]

Thank you for the insightful video! As a kdm fan it s always nice to see alternatives. As for the knight idea, for some reason, i think the idea of a woodland critter like a badger knight would be awesome.

[@alexandregendron9875]

I would like to see a royal looking crescent moon-face giant baby in a heavily modified death stroller with mega wheels. In one hand, he holds a spiked rattle and in the other, a bottle of strange evil milk that he likes to spray on his subject to mutate or dissolve them. Yup.

[@vinnieyang5422]

A Porcine Knight to work in tandem with the Egg Knight would be a very thematic combo!

[@sasquatchQC]

Nice video (as always). I would really enjoy an abomination styled as a corrupted golem/animatronic

[@Quackalope]

Interesting. Golems fascinate me

[@JamesVernon22]

Love the complarisons and thanks for the possibility of giving this to one of us as a giveaway. I would love to see some kind of Trent-like monster, whether it could move around or was rooted in one spot and could attack from a distance.. Don't see too many of those in a game and the Lonely Tree in KDM is not that exciting of an encounter.

[@raist78231]

I would introduce a toothless dragon, who angrily sees the glimmer of a knight’s teeth in jealousy and has the ability tooth eruption. A knight loses all teeth, exploding as shrapnel, each knight takes 1 wound. The toothless knight must only approach the dragon from the rear for attacks as they are shamed. :)

[@MrAttuss]

Awesome video as always! :) I'm still excited about the game and lore but I also got my expectation right. What I would like to see is a strange dog/wolf like monster or knight with some TLOU like infection.

[@thedeww]

Game looks very promising thus far. I'd love to see an Axolotl Dragon. Can't wait to see what else is revealed and I hope that Aeon Trespass will hold me over.

[@jamesmurry8218]

I would love to see a ham knight so we could get some sort of eggs and ham pun in there. I’m picturing a grotesque pig bulging out of armor. There could also be something worked in around the fact that pigs will eat anything.

[@CoalMiner4444]

Would love to see a big golem in some way. Probably out of stone, but iron or anything else also works in the setting.

[@lelandl7895]

Enjoyed this comparison review, despite it being a prototype. Will be interested to see how their campaign progresses, and considering what they have done w ATO, I’m still excited. My vote of a villain or a support companion? They need some duck representation! A quack advisor or duck helm 😆

[@Quackalope]

Haha a duck advisor seems needed XD

[@ericshm]

Sadly never played KDM but vicariously living the experience through your videos! So I am excited to pledge this! Would love to see those plague doctors in grotesque form. Someone mentioned mushroom knight. Would be cool to see mushroom plague doctor.

[@Nadgers]

I'd like to see a Red Skull Lobster who gives you advice like "Clean your room" and "Tell the truth". +Points for anyone who gets the reference!

[@rinck-tk3qu]

Thanks for the comparison. It was really helpful. I would love to see a psychic dragon lord included in the game.

[@Psycho_Saix]

Chicken Parmigiana Calvalry, would be interesting. Chicken as the horses with slightly melting cheese wedge as the riders. This sounds awesome. Will look more into this project. Thanks for covering this and pushing forward with the Dev on improvements. Love your passion.

[@Talliesyn]

Some kind of hybrid of forest stuff and frog abomination. Basically frog covered in muschrooms, moss etc. And a crown on top so he can be called a Prince.

[@FemmeSensei]

Your honesty and directness, coupled with your passion and enthusiasm, is absolutely why I subscribed to your channel long ago, and follow many of your videos. Thank you.

[@kylerowan6011]

Give me an ent-like creature that sprang up from a garden of golden foodstuff. Tall and gangly, carrots tangling from his limbs, animals burrowing holes in his sides. The Golden Garden.

[@Shredz22]

I’d love to see some kind of ground monster that can pop up in different places as well as alter the terrain/have obstacles pop up.

[@DestroyerHivePro]

I would love to see a knight who wears rabbit armor and fights with sharpened carrots named Sir Hopselot, or something like that.

[@michaelmannai8856]

I would add a cordycep living through a host that can also affect other characters through spore based attacks. (Spore bomb, or spore cloud, maybe spore traps that trigger gas when stepped on. Could have little mushroom terrein pieces/traps/obstacles) possibly it could turn an ally into an enemy that the player is forced to play (until cured) against teammates.

[@Creepo11]

For something inspired by medieval folklore and fantasy, I see an alarming lack of excrement, to remedy this I'd like to see something for example inspired by the Bonnacon: "It runs away, while releasing a trail of dung that can cover three furlongs. Contact with the dung burns pursuers as though they had touched fire.”

[@DivvyDivvyDivvyDivvy]

Thanks for giving an honest opinion of the prototype. This looks like it has a lot of promise, but still needs a lot of work. Here is hoping that they put out a demo of an earlier encounter instead of jumping in "mid campaign" with lots of extra rules. My vote is for a moth creature!

[@Quackalope]

A moth creature sounds very cool! I am looking forward to seeing what they can do with this game. I think it has potential.

[@cristianchiuchiolo9002]

Amazing video ! We were expecting a comparison like this. I would like to see an undead dragon with some weird traits or abomination in KDM style. Unfortunately I do not own KDM but I really like the genre and the gameplay. KF seems a promising game .

[@mattl2691]

I'm thinking a Mimic type monster might fit in well somewhere. Ad some more possible anxieties to the delves.

[@ry7047]

Great video. Right now I am in for the Early Bird and excited to see how this campaign develops. I would like to see some pig monster with his bacon belly exposed to go with the egg knight.

[@gtincubus]

I think it’d be cool to have a burrowing worm boss, maybe with smaller snake-like tentacles that appear first as a mob as a precursor to the actual larger boss

[@denisloebner4882]

thanks for the in depth comparison. An abomination i want to see would be a knight armored and KF styled version of the Hecaton from ATO.

[@faralathium101]

I would add a mechanic of a baby dragon the Knights find and train to enter battle with them. Once he dies, he's gone forever (that campaign)

[@ericeilertsen9369]

Love the comparison! Was thinking a swamp monster type creature might work in this world. One that regenerates limbs and health during the battle.

[@pedrogatti9695]

Since we are going with edible enemies, I think Fleishritter wouldn’t mind a pickled knight to go with the eggknight.

[@martinrodin8236]

Definitely would like to see an puzzle type of enemy such as a sentient door that you need to fight in a specific way.

[@kongo621]

What about a shroomknight? A knight with mushrooms growing on it that can spore off and creat more little enemies or that could infect the player and partially take control of movements or attacks.

[@moritzs3207]

I love the idea of the phoenix from KDM, so something along those lines. Maybe a large Chicken stuck in some sort of timeloop where it sometimes gets replaced with an egg mini and then suddenly ages again.

[@-LiQuidGaS-]

An Onion-head berserker that gets spicer the more layers you peel off his head...and the peeled off layers need to be be gathered, twist together, and create a skin-spear to pierce the centre of the berserker with.

[@seanhw7737]

What Kingdom Forlorn needs is Prince of Fire. It would look something like a multitude set of eyes that drip tears of flame and that are all attached with long iron shackles. The eyes would pull along a golden sarcophagus (the resting place of the Prince).

[@bholmes4]

Thanks for doing this. I'd love to see a "Sleeping Knight" (or Drunken Knight). It could either have a protector that does most of the work/actions or it simply "wakes" up from time to time.

[@markusseniuk5186]

Thank's for the giveaway. I think it would be cool to have a blob monster that splits into smaller pieces. Or maybe limbs that fall off and become autonomous

[@jacobsmit4104]

I know it's not exactly culinary based, but I would love to see a mirror-based boss with nightmares (maybe specifically the heroes' nightmares) coming out of it!

[@wintersphill]

Love to see a trickle knight. Catches you and makes you “stick around”. :).

[@gtb_pete]

I wouldn't mind seeing egg Knight once defeated comes back as a scrambled blob beast with hidden weapons coming out at you during a fight

[@markpenna7403]

Glad to see the constructive criticism and to hear that ITU is responding in a positive manner. I'd like to see some gemstone / jewel based creatures, since it is the Principality of Stone. A Diamond Golem, Crystal Drake, that type of thing.

[@snoochieboochies197]

Some kind of dopplganger boss would be cool to see. Always a favorite of mine and you don't see them often enough. Nothing trembles the boots like fighting against yourself. Dang it will likely ship before KDM wave 4. . .

[@vinemate]

I would like to see some kind of forest creature that hunts men that enter his forest with a giant axe. Half man, half beast.

[@gaelrebmann9629]

Maybe a Tree-like abomination could be fun? It would be beneficial to the players on daytime (like green plants breathing oxygen out) and dangerous during nights (green plants releasing CO2 at night). Given the grim universe of the game, it could be the other way around: the Tree-creature breaths poison out on daytime and absorbs poison at night

[@penguinex7929]

It scratches a similar but different itch than KDM. Definitely planning on this. I would think a fleshbeast or flesh knight that plays around the campaign thematic story with the flesh richter. Might make story based mobs be an interesting encounter and further development.

[@ricardojoenck2501]

Around the creepy medieval fantasy setting I always liked the demon/twisted jester trope, would love to see their take on it

[@yiar03]

Would totally love to see what they could do with a cabbage man crossover. Super looking forward to seeing this in a few years

[@akiszel5214]

A cthulhu-like knight, with tentacles coming out of his broken helmet. He should hold sickles (so that they look like the tips deformed tentacles) and his armor should definately be covered with corals, rust and starfishes.

[@cpavon7486]

I have always wanted to see some sort of a garden knight! So the garden knight would start weak but as the battle progresses, he would plant things in the battlefield.

[@doctorl6817]

Thanks for the interesting comparison! I would introduce a filet devil. Perfect quarry for the Fleischritter!

[@KillerMuppett]

I'd like to add a poison tree abomination, which requires 'threading the needle' on heat to survive. The tree would shoot every player with an un-dodgeable poison dart at the very start, and then send out questing vines covered in tiny mouths. Moving too fast or attacking to vigorously (too high heat), pumps the poison around your body too fast and you pass out. Move too slow, or already passed out, and the vines catch you and you get eaten. Freeing other players from vines, or dragging them to safety if they pass out from poison, just complicates the heat juggle even further. Just surviving to get away is the best victory you can hope for :D

[@razortf2]

Great video as always, I think for a creature I'd love to see something like The Phalanx boss from Demon Souls, the more you hit and weaken the boss, the more smaller mob bosses fall off that you have to deal with. I think having to manage the boss, whilst handling more and more mob enemies would be quite challenging and fun!

[@JRimala]

In the full pitch video they showcase a weird caped and crawling elk-skull weirdo. I’m usually not that big into minis, but this guy really had me intrigued! Soooo…more weird elk-skull weirdos please! 😄

[@uropygial]

A Quackalope hunting the forests of the Barony of Bountiful Harvest could be quite epic but perhaps Sunken Kingdom would be a more appropriate spot. Strange though that the other kingdoms haven't shown up yet - making me a bit anxious about the final price.

[@mickeyhartwick8055]

A cloak boss that has tentacles coming out would be pretty sweet with the tentacles allowing for reach attacks and grabs!

[@nairdaz]

I mean going with the idea of food knights.... We can have a reference to Dark Souls by bringing an Onion Knight, which despite been silent, you can see tears from his face every time he kills someone (hence Onion Knight)

[@favianngang3458]

Would love to see that gigantic gnome mini from Cthulhu: Death May Die crossover. Thank you for this video, I’ve been loving the contents that you guys put out.

[@Drmanperson]

Good effort on persevering through the prototype, hopefully they can work out a lot of the kinks before it goes out. I think a possessed scarecrow with a mob of pumpkin abominations would be pretty cool to go up against.

[@arnovanderkwast5411]

Thanks for the video. I’d like to see a squire for the Egghead; give him a mini-Egghead minion on the side. (Or if that would be a total rework on this monster, create another pair of Knight and Squire.)

[@rumejay3030]

I can definitely say that a monster that embodies the mist themselves clad armor and shapes that change during combat so different minis can be used during the encounter, some bigger, some smaller and some divided around many squares

[@yxygogo]

Purchased kdm after watching your channel, haven’t get it on the table yet hopefully soon! I would love to see a weird flying hybrid monster like a eagled-scorpion ish or anything that sounds odd but completely original.

[@baumi195]

A tentacle knight would be awesome. The knight can do ranged attacks with the tentacles and melee attack with a sword. Thanks for all of your content regarding Kingdoms Forlorn!

[@B_Roman]

If given the task of adding a weird abomination, I would probably add something like a flailsnail to the overgrown kingdom or the swamp kingdom. It is basically snail that can grown to huge sizes as it ages with flails as antennae. (see d&d flail snail)

[@Xlaudiuz]

I really would like to see like an 'inception-like' monster, like a barbed-egg-zombie lord that when killed would spawn hatchlings that were incubating inside and also would damage the cells next to it or poison enemies and players

[@blakescully3547]

I would like to see a wooded knight. Warhammer made of branches and has a entangled vines effect to lock you in place

[@abigaelcamillebondoc767]

You know what, I would like to suggest a terrifying duck monster with horns coming out from its head. This monster replicates another duck monster when one of its horns gets cut off. And I shall name it the Quackalopee.

[@allfour1]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I'd like to see a Sleepy Knight with some kind of bedtime mob. The Knight can be in pyjamas and slippers with a nightcap and can fight with dreams/nightmare tropes as well as storybooks and hot chocolate.

[@Onyxinka]

This comparison is something I was curious about to hear, so thanks! For the monster - I would really like to have something from Slavic history as we already have 24h early bird from that era :) For example Bes and Bukavac would really play into the game I think together with Poludnica as finally female enemy :)

[@Odachi313]

Excited to see the growth and development for this game and rooting for the next game that can match or surpass kdm’s ai.

[@jasonv8516]

Awesome video! Since there is an Egg Knight, there should be a Rooster Knight built like Arnold, LOL. I think this game looks amazing and this is one I pledge as well.

[@carips6908]

Great video as always! I would like to see a boss made of separate "senses". A big mouth, a Rotten hand maybe, an Eye, an ear, and finally a nose. And i also would be so Happy to win this game and to have It here in Italy 🤣

[@nathanjaques626]

Enemy/Villian: Jello Hulk/Bulk… attacks by the heroes could have a chance to bounce off and strike another nearby hero. Also appreciate all the info you’ve given on this game!

[@willpfitz]

Rumpelstiltskin would fit this boardgame perfectly with the medieval craziness theme, he would make a great Knight or even a Boss.

[@lilnerd2005]

Great video...KDM is top 5 games for me so I am hoping this can give a little less of a grimdark feel to get more people into it. I really enjoy Kingsman and The Flower Knight in KDM; I would love to see a "dance" style monster added to Kingdoms Forlorn where your steps and positioning really matter! Call it the Prima Donna or the Two Step Killer.

[@jesseirwin2607]

a monster that’s just three human legs in a tripod formation - running around smooshing things

[@michaelglinka7336]

WIth games like Gloomhaven and KDM, which easily could fill a lifetime of playing board games to fully explore their contents, but requiring mostly same group of people to play with, it's always nice to see games with accessibility in mind to offset time commitment some of those great games require. Interesting thing is that, while usually in a circle of friends you want only one person to own given game, this one tries to encourage having multiple copies, thanks to the ability to move characters between campaigns. One thing that comes to mind with a new monster is some kind of chimera, with wolf's (or duck :D) torso and head, but with stitched, different looking human parts. Maybe one leg is shorter, maybe one arm is skinny because it holds a rapier, while second one is a muscular one to grab a big shield. They hunt other people not only for food, but to strengthen themselves. There are tons of possibilities here. What I really like about this game, from what I've heard is this atmosphere of grim and hidden secrets. Plot twists and history related to every aspect of the game and how you can't take things for granted. Those monsters could also have some nice twists, like: The first thing that comes to mind is that there is a mastermind behind them, some necromantic surgeon, which changes animals into those chimeras. But players instead of a boss find that they are animals envious of people, who are doing this to themselves in some desperate efforts to be like humans. Seems like it could fit :)

[@michael3123]

An Eye Swordsman would make an interesting miniature. I would like yo see that.

[@damiracle5767]

I keep just thinking of Dark Souls type characters like the Siegmeyer for fun characters. Thanks for the comparison! Very intrigued

[@GuyNamedCorey]

Really enjoyed this and I'm curious to see what the finished product of this game will be. My weird abomination? Maybe a giant undead wasp or bee-like creature. A Zom-bee even

[@CAMOmnz]

Twin Dragons of One Body; Perhaps something like two dragon minis where one is its animated skeleton, the other is its shambling and writhing body (lacking a skeleton) (Heck, I’d be ok if it didn’t have to be a dragon)

[@Dan-sl3pe]

How about a Calamari Kraken.. Great video love the channel. Keep up the wonderful work.

[@GiovanniGonella]

Dragon Knight: a knight that defeated a dragon and is using armour made from the dragon.

[@disgruntledcat]

I'd like to see some sort of wood golem or something like that. I like the metal monsters they've presented so far, and I'd like to see something similar but out of wood

[@andrewhall3370]

It would be nice to see some kind of "monster fish knight" like those deep sea anglerfish fish with the light fishing rod attached to it's head.

[@joew9715]

The Blood Kingdom sounds really cool! I'd love to see a Blood Breathing Crocodile!