Is Kiwi a Villain or a Survivor? Analyzing Pragmatism in Cyberpunk: Edge Runners - Therapist Reacts!

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In this video, psychotherapist Georgia Dow explores the character Kiwi from Cyberpunk Edge Runners and discusses her pragmatism. Despite Kiwi's betrayal towards her team, Georgia raises an interesting question about whether Kiwi is truly a villain or simply a survivor. She dives into the ethics behind Kiwi's actions and helps viewers gain a deeper understanding of the character's motivations.
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[@chrisp33]

The problem with "you can't trust anyone" is that one can fail to see those who you actually can trust. This made Kiwi vulnerable to Farraday. To her, he was no more untrustworthy than David's crew when the fact was David's crew would have had her back and Farraday killed her the moment she ceased to be of use.

[@travislyonsgary]

Yeah a self protective shield of cynicism may help you avoid attachment, but it also blinds you to making a ranking series of trust since you dont reach out and expect everyone to hurt you somehow. It essentially gives you false confidence when you actually need to make a unbiased analysis of others

[@MisterCynic18]

I think she saw that coming, she just ended up trapped after burning her bridges with everyone else. She knew Faraday was one of the least trustworthy people around and was trying to cut him off asap, its just the only kind of people willing to work with a backstabber are...other backstabbers.

[@Aftershk]

In addition to your points regarding her personality being good for netrunning due to the data processing, I feel it would also be good to be very calm and controlled as a netrunner due to the fact that netrunning heats up your body to dangerous degrees (which is why netrunners have to wearing cooling suits, or sit in tubs of ice if they can't afford a suit), so you'd have to learn to control your emotions to avoid heating yourself up due to emotions, because you'd want to minimize internal body heat increases when you're already having to be concerned about netrunning body heat increases. Also, a lot of people forget that edgerunners are, at the end of the day, mercenaries. They get into edgerunning because they're looking for a way to survive in a very dangerous and morally-grey world/city, so at the end of the day, your average edgerunner is always going to be looking out for number one. Honestly, the "family and loyalty" dynamic of the other characters is probably looked upon more strangely by the average citizen of Night City... Lucy is the normal one. 😅

[@GeorgiaDow]

Oh that is a great assessment !! thanks I didnt think of this aspect

[@-nav-398]

I would think Kiwi's betrayal is based on Maine's actions and on David's. She was there to see Maine's symptoms first-hand and could have died due to his psychosis. She is also present to see David exhibiting these symptoms. With these observations I would think she is calculating how long David will last before falling to the psychosis. Lastly, I think she identifies herself as a survivor in the harsh environment of NC which guides how she thinks. So, when Faraday comes to her with the offer I would argue she doesn't think "what should I do" but instead thinks "what would a Survivor do?"

[@zotaninoron3548]

I am not convinced she had any idea that the offer from Faraday would intersect with the gang until Lucy was finally exposed after springing the trap. I don't think she even knew it would be Lucy until she was lured there. And by that time Kiwi was stuck within Faraday's scheme. Going along with it was the only way forward.

[@MisterCynic18]

Actually I think the biggest factor for Kiwi's betrayal was Lucy. She could tell Lucy was keeping secrets and after finding out what she did to protect David ended up sabotaging their mission and getting Maine and Dorio killed, she knew that Lucy's priorities meant everyone else would be collateral. So she stabbed her in the back before what she expected Lucy would inevitably do to her. Imo Lucy and her critically poor communication skills is the primary reason for the collapse of the gang.

[@Gamfluent]

@@MisterCynic18Lucy is not to blame, Maine and Doris were a lost cause and Lucy didn’t even do much aside from calls,kiwi legit killed then all for selfish reason

[@x10018ro]

Imo, if you're truly being empathetic with Kiwi and don't rely on a kneejerk reaction to judge her, you know she isn't a villain. Context is key, and in the world of Cyberpunk, what she did can hardly be counted among the worst things. Trying to survive through a betrayal when everyone around you is on a path of self-destruction is hardly a villainous thing to do, especially when it isn't done out of malice.

[@F.S92]

I 100% agree

[@shorewall]

Yeah, I consider myself to be a softie, and I see Kiwi's pov, even if I wouldn't do the same. I would take Maine's attack much more personally, even if I knew he was under the effects of cyberpsychosis. And I would constantly be looking for an out, even if I would never consider selling out the team. When I play Cyberpunk 2077, I feel so overwhelmed by the filth and unfairness, that I just kinda detach from it all, and end up a little like Kiwi, or even the Edgerunnner's portrayal of Adam Smasher, a detached, violent individual, who has a little respect for certain things.

[@x10018ro]

@@shorewall To me it seemed that way, that Kiwi finally wanted an out to leave this lifestyle behind and start new somewhere else. Its honestly super understandable, I would also sell out some people that to me already seemed beyond saving, she just didn't want to be dragged down with them. It might seem selfish to not try to help them, but that's easy to say when you don't know what its like living in a world like that.

[@devilslayer3548]

Still doesn’t justify her actions

[@2Potates]

Nah her betrayal didn't make much sense.

[@qawamity]

I think Kiwi reminding Lucy to not trust anyone was her way of warning Lucy without obviously tipping her hand.

[@F.S92]

She is a 100% survivor. We are emotionaly attached to the "gang". But anyone with a brain cell can see that they are falling appart. Maine is dennying being a cyberpsycho. David is litteraly following in his footsteps. Only a crazy person would stay.

[@razorburn645]

Look what happened to them in the end. On the hit lists of the two most powerful Corps in the world and in Atom Smasher's crosshairs. Seriously only Falco and Lucy survive, everyone else got flat lined. No wonder she was looking for the exit.

[@adamyoung6797]

Crazy, or in love? Becca and Lucy are both in love with David. I think Falco just isn’t close enough to the others to notice how bad things are

[@libertatemadvocatus1797]

@@razorburn645 She's the one who helped facilitate that though. I agree with FS; I can understand Kiwi's reasons, but she is the one who lead them into the Militech and Arasaka trap.

[@travislyonsgary]

Counterpoint she was being incredibly oblivious about how the partner she chose to go with was incredibly malignent given his continuous pattern of giving the gang incomplete or false information. A proper survivor at the end would have tried to turn the gang to new territory and simply wash her hands of the situation

[@Eckister]

also - V may say it well in Cyberpunk 2077 (there is a different choice). Some time into "The Information"-mission V may tell Evelyn "You don't f**k with fixers. That is the one rule everybody in Night City knows and actually follows."

[@brandonhall7498]

Love your Edgerunners content. Question: Would you consider playing the game and analyzing some of the characters like V, Judy Alvarez, Panam Palmer, Kerry Eurodyne, River Ward, etc?

[@anubis5793]

An Idea I would support as well!

[@pumpyronaldrump_4417]

Not sure how much V can be analysed since it's the player character, but definitely the rest.

[@Chaotic_H3LL]

@@pumpyronaldrump_4417 Well, V can be analyzed the most because of this. V and Johnny would just take the most time as she'd need to play through every Side Job Gig, debatably all the NCPD Scanners too so that she never missed any scenes with Johnny and got every bit of dialogue possible from both V and Johnny, however it would make for a preem vid given that she'd be able to analyze Johnny, and then in analyzing v she'd be able to pinpoint almost exactly how far the relic is in taking over V at certain points just due to how V changes overtime to Johnny's influence. The romance options would be the next best ones to analyze, then the prologue characters, certain side characters like some of the Aldecados members etc, a lot of characters she'd be able to analyze but obviously a lot of work and time required to do so thoroughly

[@doombloomers9609]

Kiwi's betrayal was foreshadowed too. She expressed her discontent with David repeatedly in passive-aggressive ways; she didn't feel appreciated or listened to. That along with her pragmatic and survivalist nature pretty much guaranteed she would break off from them one way or another once things started going south.

[@venator5]

Kiwi "passive-aggressive" ways of communication would be explained by the fact that David was going for the same fate as Maine, and just like him he was too stuborn to acknowledge that he is suffering from the sideeffects. She know already that it is just a matter of time and David will go Berserk, even too he had witnessed Maine.

[@doombloomers9609]

@@venator5 I was referring to the several times she mumbles to herself in response to David not listening to her or when she was otherwise feeling snubbed/underappreciated by him. You're certainly not wrong either though.

[@andrewg1173]

Survivor. She thought it was her best chance of survival, and she never betrayed the gang out of malice or spite. She had remorse for the decision and tried to help the gang at the end of her life.

[@devilslayer3548]

Still doesn’t justify what she did and she felt remorse after she got betrayed she got what she deserved

[@Qbertqueso]

By the logic every other person in NC who did something underhanded could claim "they're a survivor"

[@theironqueen2386]

@@Qbertqueso not the corpos but i it isn't an excuse it's a reason she did what she did and it's not a villainous one it's the decision of a survivor not a villain only an antagonist yeah it doesn't make it right but it doesn't make her evil objectively she made the right call for her survival all the way up until she misjudged faraday

[@Gamfluent]

⁠@@theironqueen2386she is objectively evil as she is the reason David’s entire crew died

[@archersterling6726]

I love how you don't JUST analyze. You help us understand ourselves and others, and how to deal with these differences. Thank you for being like that

[@GeorgiaDow]

appreciate you recognizing and letting me know = )

[@RandomQuestNPC]

If Edgerunner was a trolley problem, her staying "loyal" to the team would have been equal to throwing herself in front of the trolley hoping to derail it. She probably realised that, when it came to survival, she couldn't trust Lucy or Rebecca as they'd go down with David, and David was losing himself to cyberpsychosis. For some reason I feel like Kiwi is kind of what Lucy could have become if Lucy had lived longer and experience a few more hardships. If Lucy opening to David and her loyalty to him had turned to betrayal, I could imagine her fitting Kiwi's role in her growth. Kiwi's a Lucy that never had a David in my opinion.

[@dylanm.9859]

I love the costumes you always make for these videos Georgia! Especially the mask for this one!

[@nikitachaykin6774]

I know everyone are on Lucy vs Rebecca train, but Kiwi is totally my girl!

[@shorewall]

I like both Rebecca and Kiwi, and I think it is because both are so blunt.

[@PinkTopHat]

Nice

[@lost1470]

Same

[@jdsoy502guate7]

Same

[@edwardwestmoreland-caunter6128]

One of the many things I love about Cyberpunk is that Night City forces good people to make "bad" decisions, because if you don't you get stamped out. Regardless of your moral principles, your very survival depends on making calls that you would normally consider abhorrent, and I find the explorations into what that does to people truly fascinating

[@DreamersOfReality]

The only true way to "win" over Night City's corruption, is to leave.

[@remembertochangename3557]

i am a writer who does not understand people too much. this channel helps me understand fictional characters slightly better and write better. thank you dow!

[@chuckb8514]

Wonderful video. I believe she did what she had to do to survive. It not right what she did but I understand why she had to betray the group.

[@rashodmasters4299]

Yes a kiwi video! 🤩 Initially i was shocked with the reveal that she was working with Faraday but by the beginning of the next episode it made sense that she'd take whatever way out that she could. Imo shes the most realistic character in the series besides Gloria

[@billyhart3299]

Kiwi is a hidden gem waifu.

[@feuryie]

yeah.. i understand kiwi's reasoning but don't agree with her. she's not a creep the way smasher is. but she is someone you can't trust easily because she simply doesn't trust herself. so she's someone i don't hate, but i can't say i'm particularly charmed by her either outside her tall elegant look

[@CrazyGamebino]

Honestly I never really considered myself a pragmatist. but watching this has opened my eyes to how much of a pragmatic approach I tended to take in a situation. I always knew i was a more logically driven person but I never considered how much my emotions were reacting in a situation which looking back were rarely a factor. Even answering your question on whether or not she is a hero or villain I immediately answered grey without any thought

[@suruxstrawde8322]

Fun fact: Autism and trauma born brain damage can be extremely similar, and are often mistaken for one another due to the many overlapping behaviors. I imagine in some cases they’re even comorbid.

[@jodwatkins]

I love your videos! 🤩 Always interesting to see the psychology behind all the characters. I would love to see one analyzing Erin Yeager in the final seasons of attack on titan.

[@GeorgiaDow]

I have done a few attack on titan and yes the would be really interesting

[@jdsoy502guate7]

She is my favorite, I was sad to see her die all alone 😢

[@drip_gami458]

I really enjoy your takes on the characters in Cyberpunk. You view them from a different lens because of your background in psychology and it provides a very good discussion on the characters we love. Kiwi seemed to be one of the least popular of the gang from what I've seen on the internet, and there could be multitudes of reasons why. But as you explain in this video, her actions are justified, and really not a by product of malevolence or empty-heartedness, but rather it is just her way of surviving the Hell-on-Earth that is Night City.

[@GeorgiaDow]

Thanks

[@spinaljuice4596]

I respect Kiwi because she kept to her guns. I wish she would've never looked back.

[@UnreasonableOpinions]

By definition, just surviving to adulthood in Night City in the lower classes would be enough for a PTSD diagnosis, elevated by Edgerunning being such an extremely dangerous job with life-or-death decisions being made multiple times a day in an environment of constant betrayal. Being in the job is going to filter you into the categories of cPTSD, deathwish, or dead first job. The others on the team either have literally no way out, can't leave the group because they have someone more important than their own life, or are on the deathwish path. It's very obvious that the group is on the verge of disintegrating before she decides to turn and that when it blows up it will take all of them with it. It's only after she accepts that there is no way she can change their path that she gives them up for a lost cause and decides it's time to go. In her lexicon, that's probably not that much of a betrayal. And tellingly, when her way out fails and she knows it can't work, her second priority is immediately doing what she can to keep them alive a bit longer.

[@commiedeer]

Villiain or a Survivor? It's a morally ambiguous dystopia written in the 1980's about a future that, thankfully, is not quite as bad as Mike Pondsmith predicted it would. I mean yeah sure, there are some ways that it's actually worse then what he predicted but overall... we could be doing worse. And yes, a lot of people forget that there are some choices with no good outcome....

[@thatonekidism]

I don't think she actively betrayed the squad, actually. The initial capture of Lucy was entirely incidental that it ended up being Lucy; Faraday was just catching the Runner who was mucking up the corporation's information digging. But then as soon as they caught the Runner and it turned out to be Lucy, Faraday had Kiwi on the hook and could just blackmail her into making the situation worse for the gang which gave him more fuel to blackmail her

[@Ruggedtoaster]

Kiwi’s phrasing is important, she says first “I taught Lucy not to trust anyone in night city” she states her regret and then jokes about turning that lesson on Faraday. It’s the same regret that had been building in her and was why she went against her own beliefs to tell Faraday no in the first. It’s not about revenge but rather a last wish, get Lucy back using her betrayal of Faraday.

[@grimm516]

So vary cool cosplay, and i love the way you re-use older cosplays. Hope you have had some time off at some point, but cant wait to see your next video.

[@GeorgiaDow]

So nice you noticed Grimm = ) thanks

[@ThatBlueSkull]

Kiwi is my favorite character in edge runners i always like cold and calculated characters in shows

[@nateo200]

Thank you SO MUCH for keeping up with the Edgerunner videos! Kiwi's betrayal to me is hurtful but I get it....but betraying Lucy to me was the worst part but when Lucy and David became a package she could no longer get away from just David alone without losing Lucy as well. I'm a very analytical person in the abstract but socially extraverted (INFJ in MBTI land) so I can easily see both sides and it is SOOO hard to say whether she was right or wrong.....I relate to both Lucy and David equally and that has made it difficult too because I got attached to them.

[@JasmineTea127]

I don't think her behavior was extreme or unusual, especially for the brutality of Night City. She adapted to the world she was in. The gang's loyalty to each other and ride or die bond was actually something exceptional.

[@ongogablogian4396]

Survivor, world is going to hell around her and after Maine beat the hell out of her only Falco gave a damn. Her own safety comes into question. Sticking with the crew until she could do better made sense.

[@takodac2469]

Kiwi did what Kiwi needed to do. Can't hate the player. You gotta hate the game! P.s. kiwi was always my top 3 characters in edgerunners.

[@Pathfinder-jk7gh]

Kiwi is my personal favorite character from the show, though I do think that someone like her either would’ve avoided meeting with Faraday or would’ve been prepared for what he did, but that’s the show. My guess is that maybe they had known each other for a longer period of time, maybe Kiwi scouted the crew to see if they could do well on jobs and introduced them to Faraday.

[@hellshock9151]

Finally kiwi

[@GeorgiaDow]

I heard you !

[@pyeitme508]

Both

[@stevenboelke6661]

With the question of "is she a bad guy, or is she a survivor?", I think the answer must be that she is both. The best definition of evil that I can think of is to take actions which benefit yourself at the expense of others.

[@Qbertqueso]

You are one of the few people talking sense. If this comment section and content creator shared their views on Kiwi with Falconer or Lucy, they wouldn't see tomorrow

[@voiddollnero7677]

Kiwi my beloved

[@libertatemadvocatus1797]

I think her experience with Maine and David's instability were the largest factors in her decision making process. I don't think she was exactly bitter about Maine assaulting her; I think she just saw where David was going and figured that the next time could very well kill her. To quote another great TV series, "You're a ticking timebomb and I am not sticking around to see the boom." Plus with what Lucy was up to; Farraday probably laid it out that the group's days were numbered and she could either walk away with a decent chunk of money and immunity or stay on a (from her point-of-view) sinking ship. I also get a bit of a vibe that Farraday and Kiwi had a bit of thing going on. Now, I am not 100% percent committed to this theory, so if there's something that I overlooked or forgot that proves me wrong; I am open to it and I think it's more of an interesting possibility as oppose to "They're absolutely sleeping with each other!" The reason why I think that might be the case is because when Farraday sets her up to kill her; she knows coming back to see him in person is a bad idea and does it anyway. Farraday also phrases it in a sentimental way. I cannot see someone of her personality type not recognizing it as a complete trap unless there was some type of emotional attachment or sexual attraction going on there. I am not saying they were in love or anything. I am saying that I think they might have had something going on either before the events of the show or later into the series. I say this because the only time when I have seen calm, rational, and logical women make such a clearly stupid and obvious mistake it was because it involved either a family member or a guy she slept with.

[@MarkATorres1989]

I understood and will stand by on Kiwi's decisions. In that world, it really is dog eat dog and there are few times loyalty is repaid in full. Love the gang but they were loose cannons biting off way more than they could chew with Arasaka and Militech.

[@britte813]

She did what she had to do. Night City is a very tough city to live in. It can be hard for one to trust or care about others enough to never betray them. I think she just knew being a edge runner was never sustainable for a long life. I know she regretted the betrayal, proving her crew did mean something to her. I think all the characters in the show did morally gray or straight up bad stuff to survive.

[@monky999monkey]

I dont think the two are mutually exclusive. A lot of comments coming to the defense of her are that the gang was self imploding and its only natural to cut bait and run. But in the context of villainy vs heroism villainy is largely based on acts that will harm others for your own benefits. Frankly the gang themselves when viewed through this thought process are villains. As such kiwi is a villain and a survivor to try and get rid of a group of villains close to her for her own sake, not to stop a band of murderous thugs cause their killing is going to get out of hand. Even stopping the corporate empire cause its corrupt, no its revenge.

[@briargray2355]

I like your comment on living in a safe vs dangerous part of the world. An opinion I hold fairly strongly is that morality is a luxury of the privileged. If you have the space to think about "right" or "wrong", then you have the privilege of having a choice that isn't afforded to everyone. However, there is a downfall to being hyperanalytical in this way. Empathy and valuing social bonds is a part of survival, that's why we have these tools in our brain to begin with. We're weaker by ourself, and stronger in a pack. Kiwi is a survivor, but she was limited by her understanding, this idea that she's the only one she can rely on. She probably had a higher chance of survival sticking with her pack.

[@GeorgiaDow]

nicely said thank you Briar

[@timothyhopper4956]

Love the pink mask!

[@GeorgiaDow]

Thanks I decorated myself

[@Billpro25]

Traitor, snitch, double-crosser, back-stabber... way to many words that describe the same thing. Isn't it funny? How much we admire self-reliance, yet we hate those who would practice it most sincerely. Is 'villian' even a word that exists in Cyberpunk's world? I doubt it.

[@sarahelroub1800]

She’s a survivor. I’m more emotionally inclined, so to me personally what she did was wrong because the gang trusted her. But considering her surroundings and the fact that she’s likely been on her own for years, it makes her actions justified. Her actions are wrong, but they don’t make her evil.

[@argylesoze4945]

For a while, I wanted to avoid spoilers. But I'd rather watch your videos asap.

[@GeorgiaDow]

aww yay

[@quirkyhonor3427]

I liked this video. Here's a music video in the the same universe as the Edgerunners that you might like: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJ_Rk4Ntpah8rLM Take care!

[@ernestoperez8240]

I think you should play Cyberpunk 2077 There is a lot of characters that are very interesting and you could make analysis of them V Jackie Johnny Silverhand Rouge All the Arasaka family Takemura Judy Panam Man even some people that are just secondary characters of some minor quests are interesting The gangs o Night City...

[@dustyfairywingstoo]

I really do forgive Kiwi for her choices. As a viewer everything about the show spells out the impending tragedy if you pay attention (even the OP tells you *exactly* how David died). So of course someone as analytical as Kiwi who finds themselves in the midst of that tragedy would do the only thing that seems logical for survival and try to leave the group, no matter what their heart may say. Alternatively, I like to imagine Kiwi's downfall is meant to represent her fatal flaw: her mantra that you should trust no one in Night City was incomplete, and her ultimate downfall was that perhaps she never realized it's actually about not trusting the wrong people. Who knows how things may have gone differently for the crew if Kiwi chose to embrace and trust the "right" people, Her people?

[@CosmicErrata]

This is why Kiwi is best girl.

[@IvoryHourglass]

Finally, my wife.

[@SarenDracul]

Kiwi has a similar personality to me i will just be honest about something idc if it hurts the persons feelings but im not a person to betray my friends

[@whosplayingyou29]

To speak to kiwi's pragmatism, thats not a mask, its her mouth. She literally wears her pragmatism on her face

[@SarcasticPossum]

Was hoping you'd cover her.

[@ElvenPrince]

Im a survivor black lung!.... wait wrong series

[@josephewing5328]

It would great if you analysed the characters from Mobile Suit Gundam Witch from Mercury. There is some hardcore psychological warfare going on right now!

[@pqfire0950]

Shes a survivor and a villain. People are almost never just one thing. More of a survivor definitely but still.

[@DoomyRei]

She's the hero

[@cinnamon9032]

I think she's neither, she overestimated herself.

[@paulbrigham359]

Like the pink mask! Interesting vid as always... Currently watching Reacher on Prime... He is similarish to your kiwi analysis....One can't be betrayed by a stranger.

[@GeorgiaDow]

Seen it it was good. Truth

[@NaitomeIya]

Though Rebecca is my favorite girl in the gang because she's the one I'd like to hang out with the most, (also she looks simultaneously cool and cute), Kiwi is actually the one I relate with the most. I just learned I'm a bit of a pragmatist. I know her betrayal is super wrong, but she seemed to hate it too, so redeemable.

[@pleasekillyoursef]

Guys, she did nothing wrong, its fine

[@navaneethsivan5861]

Need berserk's guts analysis

[@philippchristel7637]

i wish there was a good reason for why she betrayed them. Unless i missed anything that action of her was totally random and dump to trust that guy and sell out the people she could rely on. Oh and you missed to censor a nip of Kiwi at 5:43 if its your censorship of course.

[@NightshadeTS]

Might be relevant to the faceplate situation. We learn from CP 2077 that you can replace major parts of your physical features with cyberware and although kiwi instals a mask plate, its very likely that she has a plate with her 'actual' face in her possession as we've learned from certain joytoys who visit Finger's clinic in the game. I mention that all to say its possible that kiwi was never truly inclined to reveal her identity to Maine's group and it's likely the only person who knew who she really was is Faraday.

[@souskai]

Kiwi is T Bug for the show.

[@paweadamczyk9273]

I know for sure I have seen this pink mask before... or wait... was it gold then? 😂

[@GeorgiaDow]

Oh my goodness yes !! impressed you noticed this. Gold Star !! My Marcus arcane video.

[@CY3ERUS]

Evil no, Foolish yes. People make foolish choices out of fear sometimes cause when you're so afraid of something you're not usually thinking clearly I can't call her a survivor cause she was trusting a guy with spider eyes.

[@lordschnitzel7961]

Can you maybe analyze Jim Moriarty from BBCs „Sherlock“ ? A Great villain with a messed up mind

[@venator5]

There is something about Kiwi which is not ordinarly. She has tattoos on her private parts, and not concerned about showing up naked, However she is well suits up for walking in the streets even giving the impression of shielding herself. It makes one wonder what her previous workplace was or what she was engaged in for living before went to hacking. Having those in mind the lack of her mounth area gives people horrible conclusions. (Horror story for each of my 3 Theories ie. Gotten removed for expanded fuctions/ Received syphilis/ Breaken off after bite)

[@larasthor]

I can tell you enjoyed the series, thank you for making these videos!

[@justblue974]

Cool

[@s7robin105]

As someone who played the game and knows how Night City is I understand why she did what she did, even if it sucked for everyone else and was awful. But she saw a way out and she wanted to take it, something almost everyone is aiming to do who lives there. You either want to leave or take it over, more often than not you get neither outcome because of who is actually ruling it

[@KristenMiner3]

Love your videos, and cute hair!

[@GeorgiaDow]

thank you = ) it was a fun hairdo

[@classicslover]

Well Georgia...betrayal is always a cowardly and selfish act which tries to hide behind words like "pragmatic". And the results tend to be very much indistinguishable from evil. An act of betrayal is synonymous with treachery...which is regarded by many as the WORST kind of evil.

[@GeorgiaDow]

thanks CL

[@classicslover]

@@GeorgiaDow

[@RedNova25]

Arrived very early! I’ve really enjoyed your content and thank you for posting!

[@GeorgiaDow]

Thank you for being here

[@Musicdude2021]

You do great stuff. Would love to see you do some stuff about mad men.

[@mr.plushmanthegamer3171]

Survivor

[@troygutt2806]

Kiwi was honestly the only truly emotional character. She knew what was going on at all times and responded to it accordingly and wasn't betraying anyone because all of the other characters would have lived if they simply trusted her. It wasn't for the eddies it was what would have been good for the crew if they listened. They were all broken characters but Kiwi was literally the only one who put in the effort as they all fell apart. buuuut that's also a weird dichotomy when one assumes they know what's best for folks in crisis.

[@ghxst_gutzz]

Honestly despite her 'betraying' the gang, I love her so so much as a character - she both looks and just IS badass. Always felt that she was looking at Faraday's offer from a realistic pov, and honestly felt like if she'd declined he'd zero her for knowing so much. Underrated Edgerunner's waifu fr

[@justahumanwithamask4089]

I saw people bashing kiwi but honestly can you blame her for not wanting to go down with Maine 2.0 after Maine literally almost killed her?

[@charlieberry7562]

I have maybe a bizarre view on Kiwi, whereby I think her survivor status isn't inherently a good thing. I'd personally rather die a hero than survive a villain, or survive compromising my morality. And what many ignore is her unnecessary nudity in front of a child? :/

[@terrencemoldern2756]

I wonder if any of you would be as fair to Micah Bell from RDR2 given the similar positions... At least ignoring the sadism he partakes in. It’s very clear his decision to betray the gang (if he did) was out of a need to survive. Just curious as a lot of you seem to be cutting this person slack when I’m willing to bet you don’t for many other characters...

[@theenbee8222]

I just discovered this content and like, I think I'm hooked lmao; truly great stuff ^w^

[@Karottenregen]

As a INTP (probably one of the most logical personalitys) never even considered kiwi as a villain just as someone that did ehats best for her self and her own survival.

[@honkbrother8000]

Nah it's maybe not malicious. But it's selfish it's clearly an evil act and she knows that or she wouldn't feel remorse. And logically it doesn't make sense either. The logical decision would be to double cross Faraday since he can't be trusted. Think back to the job where kiwi got punched out. They thought they were set up when Tanaka short circuited. We later on found out it was Lucy but kiwi would have no way of knowing that so Faraday is a potential traitor and honestly one of the most likely on the list. The second Faraday insisted they meet up face to face she should of known it was fishy. When I first heard him say that I immediately knew what was about to happen. In that moment where she has nothing more to offer Faraday and he has the money she's completely at his mercy. She should of known it would go south if she just thought about it logically. (Also wanna point out. For someone who's whole moto is never trust anyone. She trusted Faraday A LOT in that moment. She had played her cards had no back up plan and still showed up) In the end. That entire event was preventable by kiwi. It could of easily gone another way. She could of gone along with the mission captured Lucy then helped her escape to take down Faraday and warned David of the exo. She had plenty of opportunities to sneakily set somthing up.

[@jjschow]

You gotta do my hero academia next. Namely bakugo and dekus friendship. I think a lot of people really miss understand bakugo like kiwi.

[@melexkrieger7254]

Requesting Therapist's Reacts Star Wars: Jedi Survivor

[@Qbertqueso]

If she was really a "survivor" who's code is to "never trust anyone in NC" then she should have left town or hid out. She had the skill and means to do so but chose to undermine the crew. You went from explaining why she did what she did, to justifying her decision. If you don't want to do this drive by cool but don't call the folks we rollin on. Her redeeming qualities don't absolve her choice. Also I find it interesting that you didn't she that her saying "never trust anyone in NC" was her talking about herself. Her saying that over again was the loudest foreshadowing Ive seen in a while

[@maxdriffill1423]

I would really like to see you analyze the psychology of John Carpenter's "the Thing."

[@Dragonking-vp4sx]

She’s probably both, she did something morally wrong but she had understandable and dare I say relatable reasons for it.

[@BreandanOCiarrai]

I find it interesting that due to my psychology I play Cyberpunk 2077 very poorly. Instead of the canon "I want to be a legend!", I reflexively try to help out the little guy and make the world a better place. Hell, even when being hyper-violent it's to protect people or avenge them. I fail at being an edgerunner methinks 😋

[@Paragon231]

Survivor, but her problem is how she went about it. What she should have done is simply say "guys, im out, im leaving this city", instead she threw them to the lions.

[@quickredf0x143]

Honestly, Kiwi's betrayal always made sense to me. It was foreshadowed well and fit her as a person.

[@stranded.comics]

What's the point of betraying someone if ppl print money everyday...

[@travsgamingclub8957]

Have you thought about doing a video about Joshua graham from fallout new Vegas

[@edward2426]

Kiwi feels real to me in terms of you can find similar characteristic on someone in real life more easily. I some how have more connection to her through out the show but not in a way of "my favorite character".